The Creation of Man: Take One…Take Two…Take Three? Sefer Bereshit In Depth by Rabbi Shmuel Goldin

okay as we've done in the past we're going to take a look at text and in this case we're going to look look at text concerning the creation of man what I'd like you to do for just a brief moment is take a look on your Source sheets you should have them in front of you take a look at the two sections that are on page one and page two in Hebrew or in English let me just explain that section number one is the description of man's creation within the context of the six days of creation the second paragraph is actually cobbled together from the second description of man's creation and the creation of so it's if you say dot dot dot that means that it's not following directly on itself but that there's text left out and that I chose to to move to the next text so just take a look quickly at those two sections and then we'll take a look at the questions that might emerge from [Music] them once again I ask you to look at these sections as if you've never seen them before as if this is the first time that you're looking at them okay uh even if you haven't finished stop now and we'll we'll move along turn to the third page and you'll see that I've listed in this case I'm not going to ask you to raise the questions because I think the questions are fairly obvious right and I'm raising the following questions what are why are there two separate versions of man's creation in other words why does the Torah first speak of man's Creation in the context of the six days of creation and then return to it and discuss it again in the in the second chapter now this of course gives rise to much of the documentary criticism that is found on the Torah text from those who don't believe that the Torah is is a Divine text and led people to believe and led people to say that it was written by two authors um and and underscoring that someone mentioned last week that in the first section you only see Elohim you don't see the name of Hashem in the second section you see the name of Hashem this gave Credence to that documentary hypothesis which of course we we disagree with and that is that these are two different authors speaking of man's creation why are there the differences assuming that that documentary hypothesis is absolutely wrong and that this is one author and that author is Hashem why are there differences in the two versions and there are very serious differences in the two versions in the first version it just says Hashem is that man is created but Elohim it doesn't tell us any of the details of the creation the second version speaks of the creation of man from the dust of the earth into which God breathes life the fact that hashem's name is found in the second in the first section you see a commandment you see that man is told to rule over the entire world in the second section you're told that he's placed inen and as we pointed out last week that is one of the dialectics in the Torah where the Torah takes two opposite points of view or two opposite perspectives and puts them together and it's the balance between the two that we're meant to see which is to work the ground and to preserve it to guard it and that that concept is only found in the second aspect of creation the second section of man's creation is not found in the first looking at the second section going through the questions why does God create man alone and why does it say in the first case in the beginning it says man is created male and F fale and then in the second section it talks about man's creation alone and then suddenly it would seem God wakes up and says it's not good for man to be alone so how do we deal with that sudden apparent sudden realization on the part of God doesn't God know from the start that it's not good for man to be alone and what's the purpose of parading all the animals what's the meaning of the phrase AER KGO all of these are very serious questions that we are raising as we look at these two versions of man's creation found in the Torah did I leave any questions out do you have any other questions yes seems like God wants us to be vegetarians that by the way is absolutely true that that He suggests okay and actually because this is being taped I'm going to repeat questions that that are said so that people will hear it on the tape it seems that God wants man to be vegetarian Adam and Eve were only allowed to eat V vegetables they were not allowed to eat um they were not allowed to eat meat that prohibition on eating meat lasts until until the days of no when After the flood God allows man suddenly to eat meat so that raises a question which we're not going to deal with that in depth now does that mean that the ultimate goal is for man to be a veget Arian and that the eating of meat is only a concession After the flood and there are those who hold that way and R cook for example the first cheap rabo of Israel was a vegetarian and felt that the days and he when he talked about the reinstitution of sacrifices it was his opinion that only grain sacrifices would be reinstituted and not animals at at the ultimate level so very good point very very good very astute observation yes why why does God give Adam the job of naming right everyone excellent what does that what does that have to do and what does that signify what does it mean to name the animals excellent any other questions the first it says we know that is right but he did take a okay and the second time it says okay so why is there a difference in the verb in the first case where it says V and by means to create in something from nothing and why is the second case does the verb and we we spent a lot of times with verbs last week why is it V which means to Fashion okay excellent yes not necessary today but I always have this deep question Tree of Life the of Knowledge Tree of knowledge okaying a self destru we will we will or the question is raised about the tree of life and and the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil we are not going to talk about that today that is going to be another class and uh or another few classes all right we are only to so thank you for the question it's an excellent question but not one for today yes well another one he is the one who's making right okay so we spoke about that a little bit last time about that could be his way of announcing that we are about to do something new new the Royal We There are a variety of different possibilities about why it says Nas okay let's start with the question why are there two different versions of the creation of man let's start with that in a global sense before we get to the particulars particularly of the second so number one a pup shot answer could very well be that God paints broad brush Strokes and then deals with details during the six days of creation God is painting the broad brush Strokes he's giving you the broad introduction man is created male and female because ultimately that will be the case ultimately man will be created male and female in once God gives the broad introduction he then proceeds to narrow down to funnel down and this is part of this by the way is part of what seems to be a continuing pattern in the Torah in that you start with Broad and you funnel down to narrow all right here for example you started with broad the creation of the world and then you funnel down to the creation of man you will then funnel down to Noah you will then funnel down from Noah and the world to Abraham so you're moving from the general to the specific and therefore on a very real sense one could say that that's why it says that's why you have the two versions that you're starting you start off in a global sense and you narrow it down to the creation of man it remains however for ra Sal in his very famous 63 page essay The Lonely Man of faith it remains for R salvic to say no it's not simply that simple an answer and he offers a f fascinating fascinating observation on the two versions of the creation of man which we will not be able to go into in depth but I'm going to quote some paragraphs for you and I'm going to quote some paragraphs for you to give you a broad introduction is to how he views and how This brilliant man sees in the Torah something that we would not necessarily see I also want you to understand and this is I I I I had this H to learn in is sheer for for a few years at in my in my time in Yeshiva University here is a man who believed that you were able to find he deeply immersed in Torah would tell you that Torah study is the most important thing in the world but was immersed in knowledge in general and felt very strongly that you could find knowledge in the outside world the famous joke is that someone walked into the RV's study and saw the thesaurus on the desk and the other person said yes the RV was correcting the thesaurus right if you look and you listen to the words that I'm quoting and this is one of the very few times where the RV actually wrote down his words he usually taught orally he starts off by saying and again and I'm not doing it justice because I'm only quoting small small pieces we all know that the Bible offers two accounts of the creation of man we are also aware of the theory suggested by B biblical critics that these two accounts are two versions uh and traditions skipping however the answer lies not in an alleged dual tradition but in dual man not in an imaginary contradiction between two versions but in a real contradiction in the the nature of man the two accounts deal with two atoms two men two fathers of mankind two types two representatives of humanity and it is no wonder that they are not identical so let's start with what he's saying what he's saying is that the two versions of man's creation are Adam one and Adam two now does he mean that there are two different atams completely no what he means is that Adam is going to be a creature of in contradiction and intention and that there will be two different attributes of humanity embedded in this first man that emerge from these two accounts all right now let's let's remember the first account spoke of you shall rule over the the the um fish of the earth and the creatures of the world according to the RV that first man is majestic man that is the man who is told by God to rule over the world to to to to harness it to to find out therefore Adam the first and again I'm skipping is interested in just one single aspect of reality and asks one question only quote how does the cosmos function he is not fascinated At All by why does the cosmos function he is only curious to know how it works he's only curious to know how it works in fact even this how question with which Adam the first is preoccupied in scope he is concerned not with the question per se but with its practical implications in other words when the Torah says God creates man he is creating that aspect of man Adam one who rules over the world who's interested in finding out who's scientific who's interested in finding out the intricacies the secrets how does it work what are the what are the potentialities and the RO goes on to explain that Adam the first is doing this because in the final analysis what is he looking for himself he's trying to find and the word that the RV uses here is dignity dignity the dignified man is someone who raises himself up is someone who sees himself above the world ruling over the world The Brute and this is his language The Brute is the is the man who hasn't yet discovered how to harness things how to how to the the the beastial existence is I'm controlled by the things around me the dignified existence is what I control I'm in charge how does this work and the r goes on to say it is rather that this desire is nurtured by the selfish desire on the part of man to better his own position in relation to his environment this is and to dominate The Elemental natural forces and to put them at his own disposal this practical interest arouses his will to learn the secrets of nature he is completely utilitarian as far as motivation technology design and right and methodology are concerned so in other words Adam one Majestic man he wants to explore he wants to explore he wants to find exploit and exp thank you right and he wants to exploit exactly Adam the first wants to exploit and therefore the rub will say in doing this and this is this is the the last paragraph I'll read about Majestic man in doing this Adam the first is trying to carry out the Mandate entrusted to him by his maker who at the dawn of the sixth mysterious day of creation addressed himself to man and summoned him to fill the Earth and to subdue it it is God who decreed that the story of Adam the first be the great Saga of freedom of man slave who gradually transforms himself into man Master brilliant while pursuing this goal driven by an urge which he cannot but obey Adam the first transcends the limits of the reasonable and the probable even this and I'm skipping even this longing for vastness man reaching for the distant star is acting in harmony with his nature which was created willed and directed by his maker he is a manifestation of obedience rather than Rebellion against God thus in some we have obtained the following triple equation Humanity equals dignity equals responsibility equals Majesty okay we all there we got it that's Adam one Adam two Adam II like Adam the first is also intrigued by the cosmos intellectual curiosity drives them both to confront the courageously The Mysterious Magnum of being however while the cosmos provokes the mam the first to ask the how question what is going to be Adam II's question why he wants to know why is it what is it who is is it he wants to know what's what's this all about that's Adam II he wonders why did the world in its totality come into existence why is man confronted by the stupendous and indifferent order of things and events he asks what is the purpose of all this what is the message that is invented in organic and inorganic matter what does a great challenge reaching me from Beyond the fringes of the universe etc etc and then he finally says man wants to know and this is how he describes man's relationship with the kades he wants to know who is He Who Trails me steadily Uninvited and unwanted like an everlasting Shadow and vanishes into the recesses of transcendence the very instant I turn around to confront this numinous awesome and mysterious he wow right who is this who feels Adam with awe and Bliss humility and a sense of greatness concurrently Who Is He To whom Adam clings in Passionate all consuming love and from whom he flees in Mortal fear and dread he's talking about what his relationship with Hashem who is He Who fascinates Adam irresistibly and at the same time rejects him irrevocably who is he whom Adam experiences both as the mysterium tremendum and as the most element most obvious and most understandable truth two more sentences and we're g I hope I'm not boring who is he is doest relus and do us aband us simultaneously who is He Who lifegiving and life Waring breath Adam FS constantly and who at the same time remains distant and remote from all so Adam II in marks on a very different Quest Adam II is asking why he said asking what is God who is God very very different questions from Adam the first and can we see that in the text let's take a look at how the RV understands that in the text you take a look at the first paragraph the first paragraph which describes Adam one on page one right what does God say to him says to there's no question he will be in my image meaning that he will be able to Aspire to Godlike characteristics be etc etc you're in charge right Adam one you're in charge and go find out and and and he I've given everything to you and I've given everything to your to the the the dominion over all is in your hands no description of man's own mortality no description of man's own Earthly existence a totally total a total description of a majestic man who is in charge now let's take a look at the second Parra take a look at the fourth or fifth line where it says elim so first of all what what appears in the second paragraph that doesn't appear in first God's name right and because God's name doesn't belong in the first paragraph in the first paragraph I'm not interested in finding out about God I'm interested only in that aspect of God that is giving me the right to rule over the world that majesty and that is clear and I don't have to worry about any any mysterious aspects when we speak of Hashem Elohim that's the introduction of God in a personal sense that's the introduction of who relates to man and the struggle of that relationship which the so beautifully describes God fashion man Even though now someone you asked before VRA is he creates sure VRA means he's creating something totally new but now it's telling you how how is Man created from the dust of the earth that is sober that is not Majestic man that is not man who is ruling over the world that is man who is emerging from the dust Earth Earth man okay that is that is man who is emerging from the dust of the earth now into which God breathes the soul of life now I want us to understand that that statement and the rub doesn't talk about this directly that statement in and of itself creates a confrontation in man's Soul you are at once and I am at once the rabbis will sum it up that we are created from the upper Spears and the lower stears by definition that creates conflict stress stress that you keep feeding me the words that's great all right that keeps that keeps she's my my our cousin by the way um that keeps uh that keeps feeding the stress that exists in man's Soul we are at once part of the world part of the animal kingdom and yet we aspire to Art to poetry now other Faith Traditions look at that conflict particularly Catholicism ISM and what is their answer to the conflict what is their what is the answer of Catholic Christianity to the conflict between the Earth and man in man's Soul they focus on the earth they focus on the earth original sin you f you separate the two and you don't you aspire to which you aspire to the upper spheres and that comes about through Retreat from the world the more you Retreat from the world the world is corrupting its influence is corrupting original sin the whole concept of original sin that man is guilty of that first sin performed by Adam and Do We Believe by the way in original sin no do we believe that we are affected by that sin yes that's what I would call intergenerational effect we are affected by that sin because we're no longer living in a it but are we guilty of the fact that they ate from the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil no we're not guilty of that that you have to constantly that you have to constantly deal with the fact that there exists sin but we have the ability to rule over it so but what are we supposed to do with these two Realms what are we supposed to do do we believe in retreat no we believe that you are supposed to take those two Realms and merge them together that you are having acknowledge the existence of the two Realms having been mavil and recognizing that these are that these are elements in Conflict we are then told to raise the Earth heavenward and bring Heaven to the Earth and we're told to sanctify God's name there is nothing inherent we are supposed to when when the Torah was given to us we stood where at the foot of Mount Si why didn't we why didn't we climb why doesn't got and God says you can not touch the mountain and at the pain of death during Revelation the major reason I believe is because God wants us to understand that his Revelation is to be found not in the Su of mountain not in The Mists at the top of the mountain well Revelation is to be found rooted to this world living in this world right and at the point living in this world and sanctifying this world that is man in partnership with God bringing God into the world when the very first time Moser Renu speaks with God what's the first thing he tells him to do take off your take off your shoes the first thing first thing take off your shoes you look at this and you say my goodness my goodness this is this is God's first encounter with the greatest leader we've ever known he's about to launch him on his mission what would I expect God to say motion do you know what you're about to do do you know who's talking to you do you know do you know what what your job's going to be take off your shoes that's the first thing all right kind of very strange and yet following shim her and taking him one step further if you look at the words what is the word what are the words the words are don't come near take off your shoes because the land where you stand upon is Holy Ground so most people explain that most the commentaries explain that to me that the land is Holy because this is Mount Si and the respect should be shown to the lamb but another way to understand it is wherever you place your foot will become ho there you go take off your shoes because the place on which you stand is Holy Ground what do you mean man's job is to create Holiness in this world through the partnership between man and God this is Adam 2 this is Adam II Adam II struggling to find his place within and so do we see do we see this beautiful explanation of the r that these two Renditions are very consciously created by God not simply because he's going from this the the the general to the specific but because he wants us to understand that there are two different aspects to man both of them legitimate both of them existent and both of them vying for Supremacy in man so he also points out that in the first version you have in the second version you have the Man created alone in theno he goes on to suggest and again we're not going to read it inside but he goes on to suggest that Adam the one Adam the first uses people around him he in order to reach those those vast those vast Mysteries he has a community Adam II is alone Adam II stands alone because it's a mysterious personal Quest that that cannot totally be shared it's a it's a quest that each individual has to Embark upon on his or her own and therefore man is created alone and that answers the other one of our questions why does God create man alone and there are various answers to that one one is the one I just suggested that it's talking about Adam II and his search for God is alone it also also we are told that God creates man alone to show the value and the worth of every individual there is a time that that if you are M if you raise one person then you are creating an Mal and if you God forbid destroy a person then you are destroy and the recognition of the sanctity of Life something that in our current world is part of our battle against evil which is the battle between the sanctification of life and the sanctification of death and destruction we are trying to create a world where life is Sanctified okay so therefore we've dealt with the double the double story we've seen that there are various different ways to view it and we've spent some time with the RV understanding his perspective now let's go to the creation of ab let's talk about that let's turn to the second paragraph on the page God creates man dust of the Earth ET God [Music] creates God takes man and places him in God we spoke about that all right let's stop there what happens God suddenly wakes up God suddenly says whoa wait a minute I I made a mistake it's not good for man to be alone what do you say so when he sees that man is alone in his sphere he pushes it pushes it further I think he he's missing the a lot of characteristics okay and the woman will W be be able to add that okay so two two comments one that God is alone and therefore he wants man not to be alone um there is a medish which is a hard me that Hashem says if man is alone he will rebel against me because he will say just like I'm alone in the heavens he's alone on Earth and there will be a rebellion you're suggesting that God creates uh to supplement and we'll see that soon yes the separation almost creates this moment of letting Adam realize the value of okay good good letting Adam realize the value as opposed to okay yes but all of this is because relationship with all right so he very good very good he wants him to form a relationship with other human beings because fundamentally his real goal is to be able for man to relate to God and you can only relate to God by relating first to other human beings these are beautiful ideas yes it sounds like God is calling man it's not good that there you go okay that's probably the most direct answer to the first question we have God knows it's not good for man to be alone it's not that he suddenly that he creates man alone and suddenly realizes whoops mistake right can't be not no what's happening is Hashem creates man alone because he wants man to realize himself that it's not good to be alone now let's understand something do you have to teach your child to share all right God has to teach Adam to share all right in other words it is only after Adam realizes the loss or the absence of the other it's only then that man is going to be willing to share this world in which he's standing alone in if you suddenly put another being there then what's going to happen what's going to happen is conflict you've got to first he has to First realize his lack all right which brings us to the parading of the animals before man right why why does God parade the animals before man and what is the the this concept of Adam naming the animals so in context of what we're saying what would you say why is God parading the animals to show man that each one of them has a companion and he's naming each one because he's looking to see what what's the nature of that companionship what's the nature of this being what's the nature of this this what's the nature of this be but what does he find he finds that none of the companionships that he sees will what ultimately satisfy his own need his need transcends that which he sees and therefore Hashem is going to create an AER K what what's what what do we say about that that phrase again it's a dialectic it's a dialectic so the the rabbis will confronted with dialectics what the rabbis usually do is they say it's either or either you are a if if he merits this will be a relationship of Ezra and if not it will be there is a famous little you know one of those one of those games we play with words is and Isa right and what do you have is is is is what's the difference the and the when is present in a relationship what what what is then you have an is and is when a is absent what are you left with you're left with fire and unfortunately we know we've seen God forbid when when when when relationships fall apart the the tremendous a the tremendous fire that that rises unfortunately sometimes in those relationships so that's Accord that is that's h looking at AER cono but we've said that dialectic phrases don't have to be understood either or dialectic phrases like sh V Aero can be understood as creating a totality what is an AER can do someone who is a helpmate but separate there has to be a recognition of the individuality in the relationship and only when there's an recognition of the individuality and a respect for that individuality in the relationship will you be able to be to have the E and therefore the a cono is a to Total definition of the of a healthy relationship between a man and a woman what does God do God puts Adam to sleep falls in the anesthesia olist puts Adam to sleep and takes from his rib so there are a variety of different different medim and explanations about this first of all one of the explanations found in the gamar is there that the first Adam was male and female had both now and what's fascinating about that of course is that biologically that fetus as it develops initially has the potential to go either way and then develops one way or the other we so so in in man's the creation of man continually you have the possibility of these two and you're dividing the two I won't get into what the world is doing with that today but um enough said that that that that that we're living in a very very very difficult world and and I got out of the pulpit Rabin it at the cusp of that of that difficulty the rabbis who are dealing with it now are are facing unbelievable challenges yes why did man create woman first why does God create why didn't he create woman why didn't he create woman first okay by a man what he said he' already have Perfection all right he already have Perfection okay so there are a variety of different explanations right one explanation is he didn't create man first that he created them together in one another explanation is that V that really were moving up the ladder and that that the woman has been not the woman has because it says even it says that he built coming and playing with the word be what does it mean to take from the lid because you're taking from that which is equal that which is the side someone which is you're you're takeing in other words you're creating something that is that is equal that is equivalent not one will rule over the other but that the two will share in an equal partnership right what does it mean that you had them together and you separated them because they're ultimately meant to be United and therefore the unification of Adam and and therefore you will say and therefore the Torah does something very very very strange here in terms of the usual Torah methodology take a look at the last line of the text all right after telling us that says this is the this is the bone of my bone Flesh of My Flesh this now finally I have found this this companion that I'm searching for the Torah then says Al Y and therefore this is a out of totally out of context all of a sudden the Torah is preaching to us right it's not just telling you usually it just tells us the story and we're supposed to learn from the story in this case the Torah is telling us this is the ultimate significance of this story that go ahead there was no mother and father yeah there was no mother and father at that point good question that that makes that makes the statement even stranger it's speaking not of the story that just occurred but it's speaking of the future right and it's saying that it is the way of Flesh it is the way of man that that man and woman should come together again that which was separated should ultimately be joined and it's very strange that the Torah goes out of its way to say that and yet it's doing it very Hashem is doing it with real significance because it's showing us the way of the world and it's also showing us that each joining potentially creates a whole new human being who is different from that which existed before it's part of the Act of Creation yes is only the man obligated to leave his mother and father that's a very good question and and one might argue that uh yes that that that woman that but the answer seems to be the answer seems to be that man is the active participant in this case and man is the one who was m so [Music] therefore etc etc now it's the mother of the man didn't want to let him go or the mother of the man didn't want to let him go or or the daughter doesn't want to leave depending on how you depending on on how you actually understand okay all right so so therefore this this chapter emerges as a study in m man's need for for companionship as a study in man's need to learn to share as a study in man's need and what that companionship should consist of and therefore although the first time the Torah describes the creation of man and woman it says when it gets to the detailed creation of man it will give you this additional story with its moral dimensions and with its importance any questions up to this point okay we're going to start winning on appetite for the next step all right the next step which she left so we'll have to tell her that uh that that that we started the next step is going to be the very first commandment God gives to man and that is what the Trees of the garden you may certainly eat right first puru correct thank you but the first negative commandment given to man right from the Trees of the garden you may certainly eat you [Music] may I'm going to I'm going to raise a whole series of questions for you here to start thinking about for the next time all right some homework some homework but instead of me raising them why don't you raise them the day the day you eat from it you'll certainly die they don't die on the day right next why did he make that why did he make that tree what does the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil represent and why is it wrong to eat from does God does man have free will if he doesn't know the difference between good and evil and if he doesn't have free will then can he be held culpable for eating for the tree why does God what's wrong with it correct what's wrong with eating from the tree all right and by the way isn't this a setup if you isn't this a setup if you take a child and you put a child into a room don't and you fill that room with toys don't and you put a box in the corner of the room and you say play with any toy you want just don't touch that box and you leave the room where's the child going to go straight to the box so what is what is going going on here and is this part of God's plan for men but God wants man to to do this and that this is now remember I will tell you very clearly when we speak about this that we don't believe in original sin and one puip about that is very interesting after the man eats from the scent tree it says man had relations with with his wife and she gave birth and Christian tradition says look look look look when did the relationship the physical relationship between a man and a woman begin it began after eating from the tree there's the proof of original sin but Rashi says no and here's an example of reading text if it was happening at that point would have said right means he did it before it happened before and therefore the text is telling you don't make the mistake of assuming that man relates to woman only after eating from the tree recognize that it it predes the events of the tree so here we have and place G we have Majestic man and and by the way Majestic woman or let's assume that that woman at least in potential exists in that Majestic man we have at the same time the second element of mankind that element that doesn't ask how but asks why searches for God we have them placed in donen we have the story of the creation of Haba and we will now enter into the mystery of the story of the tree of knowledge of good we're going to enter into that and we're going to have to spend probably two one or two sessions on it in order to fully come to a conclusion as to what it might be all right I will take any comments or questions at this time yes explain purpose of name the animals the purpose naming the animals and it seems is for man to see each creature for what it is recognize its nature recognize it and name it that's the naming and then to recognize that the companionship that that creature has does not reach the level of companionship of search so he's he's looking he's looking at each one of them he seeing it but coming to the conclusion that man is different from the Beast and the final analysis is to differentiate himself also also the Lord these animals like doing an inventory the Lord except it's that that's in the second creation where he's not the Lord over all the animals he's also part of and he's recognizing that he's part of it too right yes this is a grammatical question okay then that's the right to me the words look like I don't have a good answer for you that's my was never uh all right that's interesting I'll look into it have to think what I'm sorry all right I'll have to look sh why is it why is it in the C I'll I'll try to find out yes beautiful combination of figuring out why there are the two ways of stating it at the beginning one time then another time and then you think about it and get it just but the question would be if this was a book that was being presented to an editor the editor might say you know I think it might be better if you put both of those into one so people wouldn't have to figure it out would know immediately all right he's asking an interesting question which I think has to do with Torah in general which is an editor looking at this text where we have these two different versions of man might have said you don't need the two versions put it in one but if that would have happened then what we learn today we would not have learned you see the fact is the point is that the Torah is written in a way that is meant to be exploit it's it it it these questions that we raise are questions that are meant to be raised and if you don't have them raised you're not going to find out the answers to those need we're challenging you need a thumb yes the challenge is the challenge is to look at the text as it is and say why is it written that way and why and and once you see why it's written that way and to raise the question then you're able to find the answer you don't raise the question in the first place and you'll never find the answer yes in other words so his relationship with Hashem that's very beautiful it's not it's not what I would callot it's a a nice thought but but shot is that he's placed in referring to ganen now why that's in the female I don't know I'd have to think about that yes there a words so this is and right it says kind ofing he needs help he needs help in that it could be it could be could be that's that's nice all right yes I just I we once learned about the lonely man but he had a name also for the second cre The Majestic and Majestic and Redemptive Redemptive Redemptive thank you I forgot was Andes okay ladies and gentlemen thank you very much