SHIVA OSOR BETAMUZ – FIRST OR SECOND CHURBAN CONNECTING SHABBOS & BEIS HAMIKDASH

This Sunday shas what happened Shabbas the mission and tinus the beginning of the fourth perish. What happens? One of the things, one of the five things that happened Shabbas is that they broke through the wall as Mour and in Yermia and in as well Assaravis 2 and a half years earlier they surrounded the wall. They were around the wall of your shalam for two and a half years and then Thomas they broke through. Hopefully they broke through fa they broke through shasabatamus. If you take a look in the same that they broke through. So the says they they they surrounded and then the says but The ninth day of of the ninth day of Thomas. So in the clearly that they broke through. When did they break through? They broke through betas. So what are you telling me that we fast shasamus? Because they broke through shasabatamas. They broke through test which means this previous shabas later broke through. They broke through brings a brush the first mdash. They broke through the second they broke through. So Tyus and Rashashana says that's t reason why we fast why don't we fast because they broke through the wall the second bdash so our time is a timeless because what happened by however the sh is there is shine a mask. That's where Tyus ends in Russ. Tyus says we fast the second we fast cuz that's what happened the second bias. But why? Why do we fast? Because why don't we fast? Why over is more to us than therefore we fast which is rather than bias. Which brings this whole that really it happened in two different days. When did the story happen? We don't fast the ninth day of Thomas rather what what's the oflanal zash He adds a few words. In other words, the first we went to Bvel and on top of that we came back to 70 years later. As opposed to was spread out throughout the whole world. was stolen that the says also such a type of idea and he also adds he says that really is forgotten we were because we had so if we're fasting either or we fast rather Why don't we fast both and Thomas? We should really fast both. >> [snorts] >> So, I'm going to be showing them the amban We don't want to be to have to fast twice. We only picked one. And which one do we pick? We picked to fast both days. Really we should fast for both. We should fast for both because there's a reason to fast for both. asks he brings he says who asks on the says that not I'm sorry to fast both times he asks based on the gammorra the gmorrah says barbas The Gomorrah says that after not to eat boser or not to drink wine, not to eat meat because there are no carbonas and not to drink wine because there's no so Yeshua said, "Wait a second. If you're not going to eat meat and you're not going to drink wine for the reason because there's no because the B mikdash we lost carbonus we lost you shouldn't eat pis why not you shouldn't eat so you shouldn't eat bread why because so they said okay you're right we're not going to eat pass also you have a good point so the garra says wait a secondha said what's about pyus Don't eat fruit because fruit they brought what they were used with fruit. So they said in other words you're right. Not going to eat the burim came from we eat other fruit. All right. So still we're going to told them what's about water you shouldn't drink water. So them so they said it's not possible to exist without water. They were taco. They were up as just like in this such a concept of not to eat boss. So too in the Morgan of Rome in this case of test Thomas and Thomas shouldn't be a concept of a nephil that he asks from the garbash that should be over there's no Because they wanted to say not to eat boser, not to drink wine. Why? Because there isn't the bas anymore. So they were up cuz they couldn't they couldn't stop by not drinking water. So it's but over here the fast both. So why there was never it's true that it's it's hard to fast to tan but we actually even find this concept of f of fasting to tan but even in a closer proximity between sun gdalian and and and yipper which sun gali is gimmel Kipper is yud. So it's even closer than from Zion. So even though you show me that the gar says that they didn't do it about even about it's a lot harder as opposed to fasting a week apart. We see that we fast a week apart right here. Could be that's a little bit that's taken dem that change pops even closer on this Shila. Why do we go with Thomas as opposed to test which test Thomas the same thing happened to bias. So we said we go with the Yeshua says a different terrace and he says the following. He says was a on the city was destroyed. Tishabov was a bias and he proves that Tishov the Gomorrah says these two the Mishna says what happened as opposed says which seems that we fast because of both. It could even be that if it would be two different days maybe we would fast both just happens to be it's the same day as opposed to is only the second bias why what's the difference to explain why we go with as opposed to we go both the says so he says like this bias happened why the that saw went to golas which means and they broke into the test and bias should happen because of a des and as it's mour the gor brings that the took away the yates of a des like there was a bias so like this this bias that went to go that they broke in that that was no longer if we're fasting it's began like what we said earlier today that we're still in that golas but what does it mean we're still in that golus the reason for the go of is no longer around because there's no what's about and like is we're still we still have the issue of so since we still have that problem if we're fasting on the breaking into the city the going into we would rather go with the with the going to go for the reason of which we still have as opposed to avoid which is no longer applicable Why do we fast for the first B mikdash? The second B mikdash was rebuilt already. So he says for there were five things from all the things that we lost with there were five things that we never got back. The Gmorra says five things we never got back when they rebuilt Baeni. So the it comes out that right now we're still we still have as well the reason we went into golas that they broke into the city they took us all to golas that is only negate a second reason the reason of the mdish being destroyed that happened to that by is still applicable for us also because these five things from the many things we lost. Five things we never got back. Agav that's the we say and the difference between but it says shus but it says shness. We should have a second gul. What does it mean? A second gula. We're being follows for the third gah was after the first after we went out of and then we had a second when we went to the mdash. So the second wasn't such a full because we didn't get everything back. And he says the reason why we still consider we still fast he says he says the whole reason for he brings the say this was because the saw that in g after the 70 years many were being forgotten and it was a big crisis that the tal would So claw was brought back to with the mikdash for for to be able to have the gumra and once we have the garra it's it's no matter what we are in goalless we have the garra we have so even though we really did get a vign I don't understand it fully because was rebuilt. But how he says is it was only rebuilt to be able to be. So we still really have. So therefore we fast for both there we pick the second because of going into we're really in the it's really for this that we're saying for which is that we go with with Because so what happened to Assaravis? It's not mour when assar was when they surrounded the walls of that we know that it happened was it's when did it happen? It's not but seemingly from the from others it didn't happen. Sov wait a second we go that's when it happened the bay sheni that they broke through not as in two places in Russash and in time why do we fast which is what happened by when they surrounded why do we fast whenever that day was what happened that they surrounded the wars of sheni says that if they were that's what we're saying we go with the bias so besides I should have moved the story of only happened to bias so we should no longer fast because that's with bias that you could be you could be a little bit that there wasn't a different day they kept it but first asks we go with the date of the so should be moved to a different date whenever that date was ask so he says like this he says the following what happened during during the mdash hash They still fasted. Why did they still fast is rebuilt the terrors is that they knew that he's going to is going to come. So they they kept the tanim which tan they keep they kept the of. So really they would have kept also the tinus of test. However, being like we said before and if we're fasting already, we should fast. What's more, they moved the tus of to because they knew that the new date is going to be so they moved it. Ah, if they're moving it, so why didn't they move also? It's only because it's the same month first of all it's the same story but also the same story when they surrounded but that it's the same month being that it's the same month the move and this is the punch lines I what we what happened to the tess of bias the time of is for both is The tus that we fast shas is not only for what happened and sheni they broke through. It's also for both which comes out this Sunday when we fast. We're going to be fasting not only for what happened on the broke through the walls and the bay. We're going to fast for what happened by as well. as opposed to when the happening of that they surrounded the worlds and walls and bay happened at a different month and they didn't they didn't switch it and they kept it so what comes out of also explains this idea which means really we're going that you go but really we would have really gone with that it's the same month and it's the same type of then we would go with how were they able to be what they after maybe they should test says you can't be so how will they tess of test and move it to y how would they oer that so how we're understanding they really weren't because the tiness is for t as well but if the takana was it should be on tann is from tion So the answers that they were never why because really the t the fast was really only after they never made a taken the ton was only to fast when he's once they rebuilt a base there was no longer the t they never made a ton when he's a bay That's when they decided to still be that highness cuz they knew there's going to be so high governor. That's when they decided let's go with but they were never they would never the of what used to be. They want that when they made these tinus as it's they never picked a day the says to explain the gather but it wasn't a particular day it was in the so even if you'll say they made this tono that you continue into bay bismani when they changed it from test to Zion they weren't any taka because takana really was in the month was annoyed to fast for test cuz that's the day it happened so good so that they switch to so it comes out that the fast what we're saying now from the fast of is a fast for both for what happened to bias and betas and what happened to you. However, this whole discussion that we're speaking up until now that there's a difference in dates between Bayasian and Bayeni Bay was bataspatamas and bay sheni they broke through the walls is not so simple. It's a gammorrai. However, thei pisus brings the however thei argues and the says happened beyond the same day. However, ah you're going to ask me the pos says betest how can you how do you so he says like this really it happened you cla was mixed up they were so you know to be regardless of the they lost track with the dates so they lost track with the dates they thought it was test they thought it was test ah Very nice. That's awar but theim the should. So the says that the PK didn't want to write different than Claudius's mistake. Really it was Thomas but Claudius was so tortured in the gulas going into Gulf they lost track with the dates they thought it was test being that Cladio thought it was test Thomas. also wrote just to conclude the sheer to explain this sad. Yeah, you can understand posture that Claus lost track with the dates. The Marsha explains what was the mock where why Taka did they make the mistake? He says the following. laser on thin for they wanted they should be mo like go with the sun and saw taka was counting then they were taking with the sun 365 days a year instead of 354 is like this zaka the year of the sun, the solar year is a longer year. So that was counting with the solar and it was really longer. If you count longer, you're earlier in the year like this. It's 11-day difference. The year they were holding a Thomas, which is about three kufas 3/4 of the year in so they were behind 8 days is about 3/4 of 11 days. So ma they were behind they were behind these few days these eight days they were behind why were they they didn't stop mix up the days they lost track of a few days they were counting with the they were counting with the sun which is a longer year and was they were eight days behind the main they thought it was tamas so that was the mock for's mistake to think it was tas when it was really yamas the main being that it was really yamas then it's par we fast because that's when they broke through the wall like but so maybe we have like this the learned he was a difference between and we go with for whatever reason and we could accomplish both and our pedi we have which is really going for both. Have a wonderful day.