Shimru - Keep It! Oreg Shnei Chutin - Weaving, International Shabbos Project Learning Program

this tour class is brought to you by torahanytime.com good afternoon everyone shalom aleichem as we continue on our journey in the lame test malachas we are doing malacha number 19 weaving two threads malacha number 19. and we welcome everybody who's joining us today and weaving is not one of those malachas that are commonly employed many people have never even seen a loom but it's important to know the principles regardless and some of them apply to instances where a woman may want to braid her hair or other such types of activities so the next step in the process of producing cloth for the curtains of the mishkan was weaving once the vertical warp threads are prepared on the loom the Weaver begins passing the thread perpendicular perpendicularly over and under the warp threads to create the cloth so the threads that went ver um horizontally are called the weft or the waft okay so the vertical threads are called the chassis and the horizontal threads are called the Arab now says the rambam the rambam says it is the manner of Weavers that first they stretched the thread to the length of the size of the cloth that they're looking for over rakha and it's with two of them are holding on to the cloth one guy on one side one on the other and as they're stretching out the cloth somebody's hitting the cloth um and they're fixing it one on the side of the other until the whole area is filled up with the warp the warp is the vertical threads without the era without the weft or the Woof foreign and he begins to put the wolf between the warp necro that's called weaving so in other words the first thing you have is the chassis and the chassis is the vertical and then you put in the Arab which is the horizontal fine two threads a width of two fingers is even if let's say part of the Garment was already woven and you merely add on to it the shear has two threads and that was in other words let's say the the Garment was 99.9 complete and you're only missing one thread so even though the rambam says you're only higher for weaving if you weave two threads however if it's the final thread that's missing you would be higher what is it one who weaves a thin belt Shabbat the width of three frames okay and then the random says one who straightens the threads or separates them during the process is a tolda of weaving or one who braids hair that's a derivative of weaving we're going to see what kind of hair we're talking about uh perhaps it's only here that's not attached to the Head and the minimum amount which you're high for braiding is two finger breaths long fine there are no Easter eggs associated with this now let's define what is the minimum uh amount of threads you need to weave in order to be high of okay let's see who's on the share today anyone want to offer their opinion take a guess how many threads you need to be high of two in Forest Hill says two what do you say Alan you look like you want to have Alan says one okay the answer is you're all right it depends and that is where the Lesser says that if you weave three threads in the beginning of a garment one if you weave one it which is an additional one to part of a garment your hive civilizer says for starters it has to be three two in addition to what was already there one and the common say it doesn't matter if it's starters if it's finishers it's two threads now who do we possibly like we just read the Raman pascals like that regard whether you're weaving in the beginning or you're adding on to something that was already woven the rambam says you're high for two two threads a width of two fingers whether you wove them in the beginning if part of the Garment was uh woven or you added to it it's two threads now um the ramam adds one thing that if it's the final threat of the Garment then you'd be high of even for one thread like Alan said now let's talk about this Shearer that we're past getting like that it's a minimum of two what is the logic of that that a minute you're high for a minimum of two threads I mean a garment has hundreds if not thousands of threads what exactly are you accomplishing by adding two threads so Yeshua syakov says by adding two threads you're giving great benefit to the body of the woven fabric because you this is a solid foundation to continue weaving and if you add two weft threads you've strengthened all the warp threads fine then the gemara in Shabbos says as follows that if somebody writes one letter and he finishes the safer Torah or if one threads one thread he leaves one thread then and he finishes the Garment so who does this go like so rava says it's Ruby Lazar who says that if you add one thread to something that was ready woven however ravashi says this even goes like the granted say you're only Hive if you weave two threads but that's in um somewhere middle of the Garment but if it's the final final thread then even if you just weave one thread you're going to be higher now here's an interesting uh point of eon so we're saying that everybody would agree that if you just weave one thread and it's the final thread of the Garment your hive are you high for weaving or maybe you're not high for weaving your hive for maqibesh the final blow of a garment are you high for weaving are you high for makave patish says if you write one letter and you finish the safer or you weave one thread and you finish a garment because anytime It's the final blow then it's uh it's considered like two so the sasama says that the the implication is that what do you hire for from making the Garment now in that case even if you didn't write one letter or even if you didn't so a weave one thread even if it's half a letter or half a thread if you completed the safer or you completed the Garment your kaya from weaving or writing you're high for completing so if you're completing even if it's not one even if it's a half however the me rewrites that when you write a letter it's considered writing so it seems that you're Hive for writing and in that case it's only if it's a complete letter and you're hyped for weaving and in that case it's only if it's a complete thread now let's talk about braiding strands of hair is braiding straight raise your hand if you braid strands of hair all right so we have men here they don't even know what braiding is but you take uh basically um three threads or more and you interweave it so there's no rubber I know I could count on you where are you about you in the beginning you're going from the beginning to the end you know that was that was a good trick okay but ponytail right so you take basically uh you have three threads you go one you you take the one that's all the way on one extreme and you put it over the one next to it and then you take the one that's on the other screen you put on the one next to that and you go back and forth and back and forth so it's not a it's not perpendicular but it's something like weaving the rambam says that it's a total of weaving The Ramones says and even one who braids strands of hair this is a derivative of the Malachi of weaving and the minimum amount that you're higher for is two fingers breaths on daf sadly down on my base discusses a woman braiding her hair on Shabbos and the mishna says if a woman braids her hair if she paints her eyes or she applies blush Revelations someone talking somebody wants something okay I'm muting because um you're making a ponytail oh that's true right right right you don't mean a ponytail you mean braids in the back of there ponytail you're not doing anything really right you're just putting a rubber band around uh you're bunching up the air and you're putting a rubber band around it so it's not it's just these are a bunch of different activities that women do Revolution say it's only it's not it's not a direct it's not what we're not what are you high for I don't know uh it's maybe painting maybe coloring maybe dying but we're we're just gonna focus on uh the braiding so the gemara discusses why what are you high for braiding painting and uh um blushing says you're high for weaving building for braiding your hair once here you're high for building to braid that way we know that braiding strands of hair is weaving Isha so we see that braiding hair is weaving strip braiding the gemara said earlier braiding strands of hair is weaving so why is it more asking that how could you say braiding once here is weaving it's not the doctor to braid that way it's not the dark to weave that way says here we're talking about a woman's hair you don't weave a woman's hair like you weave a garment also here it's going here in this case it's going to be undone it's going to be un um woven and therefore it's like you're not higher for weaving so basically tysus is coming out that weaving the hair of a woman or weaving a person's hair braiding a person's hair is not weaving it's only building so the children explains you're now at a braid a woman's hair says you know why look in the mission bro the top right hand page of page six being a call it's only Brave it's only weaving if the hair is attached to the Head foreign now so basically braiding hair that's attached to the head is building braiding hair of a shaytal is weaving Bishop says even though what do you mean the Tyson said that it's eventually going to come out sir okay so here is the sort of the uh practical uh I wouldn't call this one so practical but really trying to get to the essence of the malacha basically we have two things let's see who we got today we have weaving and weaving you're taking threads you're passing the web threads through the warp threads and you're creating Fabric and that's some luck of weaving and then you have them of sewing refers to taking two different materials and attaching them together stitching them together what about embroidery what's embroidery embroidery is basically it's not weaving you're not creating fabric It's Not sewing you're not attaching two Fabrics together embroidery is creating an a design on something that's already a fabric let's say you bought a five dollar shirt in China I should I take that back you bought a cheap shirt for five cents in China but uh you know you're not gonna be anybody where you live so you want to have somebody embroider onto your clothing a nice emblem or Insignia of a designer company and this way you know people will give you some respect you'll put a polo symbol or one of these other nonsensical simonim on the shirt to indicate that you didn't pay five dollars which even that would have been overpaying for what it cost to make this shirt you paid 59 on sale for that shirt is what is embroidery is embroidery weaving well weaving I'm not creating fabric by attaching the warp and the weft oh is it sewing I'm not um I'm not attaching two Fabrics together so what exactly is embroidery is it weaving is it sewing so in your holy booklets he brings that there are from they say from that there are many malachas that fall under the category of weaving so because of braiding here Le she has summer is braiding hair into a braid srigas in the car is making socks garbayum stockings or socks or if you couldn't are fixing them avoid those Rick Mel Amino or embroidery so included in weaving is embroidery says that regarding the milk of unraveling that the mark includes separating and unstitching a piece of woven Fabric or removing embroidery so embroidery according to the milk is part of weaving interesting even though as we said it doesn't really meet the bill of weaving I mean would you say it's weaving it's not really weaving you're not creating fabric and you're not producing fabric is that an important part of weaving comes the rambam the rambam says that braiding goat here is weaving he says says that if you twist threads to make rope it's not weaving it's tying so we got a steer on the rambam the rambam says if you braid strands of hair it's weaving and the ramamel says if you twist thread to make rope it's tying comes the Prima godim the people got themselves the answer to this question is that when you twist fine thread that's weaving and that's the Riga but if it's thicker threads that is not weaving that's tying so it depends on the relative thickness of the thread if it's fine and you twist it it's weaving if it's thicker it's tying makes the same same distinction says another similar question he says twisting and Twining is not shaykhan's thicker ropes it's only shot by Kim and therefore it's not tying now ultimately they asked him in his opinion what would he consider embroidery and kenyevsky said it should be weaving but some wanted to challenge and say no it's how could embroidery be weaving and the question was raised from a gamar and Yuma I invasion of this listen to this says they say the mishkan's curtains were the work of an embroiderer and the work of a designer um they embroidered the area they designed embroidery is needlework and therefore it's the same on both sides design is nice so the gamara 's there's something called Roy came embroidery and there's something called iRig weaving so clearly embroidery is not weaving no isn't that a good proof doesn't that say black and white then embroidery and weaving are different looks like you have some extra time on your hands maybe you want to embroider something maybe you want to weave something but this gamara no thanks okay [Music] what yeah but I think the point that they're making to apply him is the gemara says there's not say Royse Roy game is one parts of that means there's embroidery and there's a weaving so Abrahim said very simple that the the gemara considers embroidery machat and not weaving that's uh in terms of its skill but in terms of how you label it for Israel Shabbos says it would be it would fall under the umbrella category of weaving however in the sheets over here he brings them from the savitarius and the opinion of Nissan Corrales and mayor bronzdorfer that embroidery is not weaving but rather sewing even though we said it's not really sewing sewing is when you have two pieces of fabric and you stitch them together so basically your embroidery you can't embroider on Shabbos if you thought it's a long shot this day I'm bored and I finally figured out what to do because the oil rig is creating Fabric and toifer is attaching to fabrics and he said now's my chance to embroider I could spend my whole Shabbos embroidering and uh basically you want to give Alum this based on the gemara Newman deaf imbs that weaving is different than embroidery so would say no weaving in this breathing and embroidering are the same says it is weavingame and silver says it is weaving the remnants and corelis and Romeo bransterfer say that it is sewing so either way you can't do it why you can't do it that is uh up to um question now this might be this might be our last uh shimro until after the summer here in America we'll see we'll send out the message we already 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