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Shevuos Throughout The Ages
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[Music]
Welcome back Rabbi Dr. Elazar Brat to
another episode
of history of how they learned Gumarra
throughout the generations. This was our
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shaping. Okay, without further ado, back
to our regular program
schedule. So learners of that we find
ourselves starting this maka in the
middle of a lot of times people like to
find something happening with the event
that um something happened that week
when we're starting this and this here
was great basically is that
the palat one of
the who when he lists out on the he
writes that the whole year between he
gave a to his and what was the topic
between pes
he will
learn completely and finished it and
there's interesting
passage and he says
as that I had this question
um I mentioned this and what I answer
what I answered
invalid so basically here we have him
talking about this minig that every year
he will learn in this period of time
his inh they record that he also himself
will learn
during every day and he'll be Messiah
on interestingly enough the Ramsh writes
about
his who we're going to be discussing
soon the
bal who was very close with so he also
had this independent ly that he's and he
writes in a chuva about a he
had and we looked up in his to see if he
handles this in this question and didn't
anyway um so this is a minig found in
the cipher and others as mentioned and
went down to learn the whole during this
period of time okay and one could see a
little bit more about this in the gald
volume one page 92 and page 62 are back.
So, so number one is there's a school to
learn during this period of time. So,
it's great that we're starting in the
middle of number to a middle of number.
So, now we go to our to the regular
discussion throughout we where we
discussed the garra what's the out on
the garam. So still on this m we have
the ciphim and on the third parrot
there's a work from benovitz more
academic
slant making and understanding it in
with the background in kufus kazal
there's an excellent chapter in sh
liman's work Greek and Jewish Palestine
where he explains based on understanding
the historical time period what it meant
to shua um it was very common to you to
that pe the amiratum for sure used they
spoke in their regular language
with using this term and he also deals
with a very big question that many try
to understand what exactly is the
difference between and it's very it's a
very big shame because the way it is is
that nadarum we learned quite a while
ago there was a big break between this
and so it makes it hard but a lot of
times people keep in mind try to
understand what exactly and what what is
the difference anyway I always begin an
episode quoting from the lists out in
various makas what the what the
literature on the ma is. So in this ma
he says there's Ramban Rajba that was
published in his
time and gets a nice amount of so and if
you compare it to some other mus
especially in his lists you'll see this
is a very rich ma what's also ironic is
that when we we when when began a dharm
we spoke about that there's even msyus
that said people that didn't learn makum
for various reasons and it's quite the
opposite we're going to see the mamish
plugged
away. So let's begin. We always begin
with the so the from which we always
quote he didn't get up
to now generation a lot of material the
volumes of have been continued by broad
professor Dr. and others and they put
out a volume which has a lot of the
material that they collected and putting
out a volume of on this.
Okay, right away um we'll go a drop out
of order this we just saw the list of
the
um of the so continuing with the sorry
continuing with the we're going to see
and the rishim all bring this down
there's a work
from dies in 1038
called now this work the rishim had and
used and there's long lists of how many
times they quote it but when does it
come first in in for me I am always
always focusing on the print. So it
begins it's published the first time
in6002 in the same volume with a mechar
which is another work of the which we
spoke about a little bit and the Bryce
Mishkan which we spoke about in episodes
of the Mishkan and this was came from it
seems from that was in the house of the
Ram pano. Okay. Now,
um the mad made sure to do a good job.
Okay. Fine. Lisa, fast forward 1782.
It's quite a period of time. It's
basically reprinted identical from the
same manuscript. Um um um from and it
has the only difference is it has from
falcatus. Fine. the it's clear that
Ramen Ara and the and the GR they had
this the GR use it in beer for as at
least for me and the balishna recently I
saw an auction they auctioned off and
was sold um the 1602 edition of the
balishna who was also in this kufa fast
forward again many many years and 1960
there's an edition that comes out
from and then there's an addition that
comes out from Rdam
And this he spent a lot of time working
on it. He tracked down more manuscripts
and he tracked down um because you have
to
understand was written in Arabic and
then it was translated into Hebrew and
we'll see who the translator is shortly.
We'll play it's going to play out
shortly. But
Kitser also worth mentioning is this
Ruzi located what was published already
in the 1880s from the library of
Schlimmer Zalman Halberam who had
published it. the um two other works in
in of say in in um in song
like
of now and so he publishes it he
published it in journals first it could
later be found in and then in his
edition of the it could be found there
now one point just to make over here
briefly is why vasis it's it's um in
this why is it in Russian of very simple
because they wanted that we find and was
found in the times in the middle ages
made different similar to to make it
that people could remember the a memory
thing so the were very brief and people
could people remember songs much better
than a whole so is the kiter the of
because it's very important very
relevant and and this and Rafy wrote
this and they exist and he has a whole
parish about them okay fine
um there's Um, one other parish, one
other edition, sorry, is from professor
Shaga Abramson was published a few years
ago. Um, and what Shagson who worked on
this for many years collecting from all
the pieces in the Kyoga
um, adding to whatever existed as I said
it was only in6002 that was published of
pieces that they found located proving
it of and he was always planning on
putting out a fancy edition with
footnotes. Lama said he did not. He left
behind drafts as Talmid after working on
it for a very long time put it out. Lisa
said there was criticism about the way
the audition came out in the Hamayana
issue which I'm more than happy to
share. Um okay just fast forward to our
uh
generation this is all happening in our
generation but one person obviously alaz
going to say it was fond of using at
least I noticed a bunch of times him
using for his work on the Rambam is
using the and that is Kyvski and his
work here. Okay. So here we have the
importance of having a goic work. Now it
happens to be that the is very important
when one learns. We go fast forward.
Um there's another work and this work if
you open up the 1521 in 1521 everyone
knows the shas was published there's
different when it's published first time
it's one of the earliest editions of
shast the braberg edition but kitser
what about the riff you have a riff in
the back of yumar when did it get there
so kitser in 1521 bramberg went ahead
and published independently a few
volumes of the riff with other materials
in the back of this volume he says and
he calls it he says he says um sorry one
second let me
just from that he's
publishing that he's um now then he said
then then underneath that there's a line
that
says and then there's a whole piece a
nice poem and then it says at the end
that who did
this Okay. So, what's interesting is it
sounds like this is a and it makes sense
why it would be put in the back of this
riff. Very simple
because the riff this is a of the riff
in a form of shaim a bunch of shaarim
the that it that it has. So there's so
basically there's a called shahish voice
already published in 1521. So it's and
it's not the same as the mishphv they
argue a lot but another and who is it?
Who's the author? sounds like at this
point in time the riff in 1593 it's
published
again and there in the sh it sounds like
already it's not so simple that it's the
riff and it has a few suggesting that it
might not be the
riffus so who is it it might be an anle
of the riff
f and
others others go with
that says he doesn't believe in sim he
handles the bif
Um he has a steer between this and the
between
this and the riff and he says it must be
that it's not um it must be riff or
maybe this is a ste or maybe he wrote it
when he was young and he changed his
mind. So this is what the sh says in so
that there's something going on over
here.
Now in this period of time there was a
yid his name
was he was a he was a he was a trans and
you have to this is all taking
place he's a contemporary of the riff
riiff dies in 1103 to give us some
context so this is a little bit after
of this um besides being his own
independent so he's famous he wrote
aaris aar says we're coming up to the
kagash with the mitzvah and and this he
was also a translator so he knew Arabic
so he translates them it turns out the
mishp that was from he translates into
Hebrew turns out this voice also was
written in Arabic and who does who does
the translation it's most likely the
same so he's he he transl he does a lot
of translating in the
The story doesn't end there. um just
mamish in the past year a work comes out
called a massive
um also based on massive amounts of
discoveries from the kyoga and here we
have a whole a lost mish from aid from
this saint
kufa it's published by um stamur and and
David and others and at the end of this
they publish a doctorate of professor
shaga iramson who we just mentioned
that he gave that he submitted to was
never published. And who is the Jew? The
Yid that he works on. His name
was Arishian from Mameish. Also this
period of time the same a little younger
than the
rift and and
um
and he put so Abramson proves who's the
of the that's in the back of that
bombber printed that some people thought
it's the riff. It turns out it's this
benad. Now what's interesting is the
already in the times of 100 years after
this benad was out there was confusion.
The ra already thought that the shahu is
the is the riff and there's a whole long
list of people what they thought. We're
not going to get into it. One could see
in the this material found in the safer
stamper and hisdama also deals with it.
Um Abramson over there Abramson in an
article in Sim in um in Sai Kufal in Sai
Shaftal also has an article about this.
But the point is what's fascinating is
like this. This bu is not the riff. It's
not the grandson of the riff. He's a
matarim and he translates both works.
And the other person was beny and
basically is this binya. He was known in
the times of Rashidam as they bring all
the documentation about him and it was
forgotten about and his whole which is
published in 1521 some of them mistake
mistakenly gave it the wrong name and
from then on it was forgotten about so
you have to clarify from him
they
his or not because is the riff getting
this who's getting this bottom line is
what's even more fascinating is his
finals the riff was a tremendous plut on
this and he was very anti the
of this is a fascinating um discussion
and what's relevant is all these are now
available for someone wants to learn we
have tons of new material of go material
and it's a shame is this shra abson
worked many years he did a lot he
discovered a lot through the kyoga and
everything and this mash which he spent
so much time's material did not come to
um light properly only Now some of it's
come to light and hopefully the shahu is
another edition is going to come out but
but just to conclude over here is like
this. So the riff also as I said was
about of him. Fast forward 1792. So 1792
they didn't know all what I just told
you. This is all mish new discoveries.
1792 they're still working. Is it the
riff? It's not the riff.
So son
of who dies in
1810. who is av amongst other places um
in Hungary and he writes a
massive voice. So the mishesh never was
of never was to get a proper work until
recently but even then it still has
needs a lot of work but
this of that we said we did that the
they were weren't sure who it is they
thought maybe it's the riff and if you
look at a beautiful that he gives to
this he says he rather calls it the riff
others the whole time they're handling
they say it's the riff anyway bottom
line is this he writes
Perish and that's in 1792. It must have
made a little bit of a rash. A few
people use it but I don't know how many
people use it. A few years ago prints a
massive edition of this work
and since then there's just to mention
there's aid he publishes an edition of
Shares um that's available. There's
another there's there's another edition
but bottom line is we have over here
something which which you don't really
have in other places. is a sharish voice
which existed since in print at least
since 1521 had it they just didn't know
who it is and this is another mass of
which helps us to understand um this now
and just to conclude over here is that
and the and the riff also there's tons
of chu that deal
with and the question is why so this
also I refer you to a massive article
from in his
work where he tries to understand epis
in the times of there's so much work and
so much material and and the next
generation the ri the of and the riff
and all these people why they saw why
was it so um relevant then and he has
some theories which are worth to explore
continuing with this nakuda in in
previous mas we mentioned but we don't
have them too often the remagos the
great reagash so we also have him on
what the spells out that one of the to
have um the remagos on so to say Kabala
he says is
on which we spoke about this
um it was first published in 1758 and
then again it's published in 1826 in the
back of the 1826 edition is chu of
published this is in theamar's lifetime
was against publishing his material it
seems he allowed it in the end it could
be in the there's a lot in there that
sounds like in the beginning he wasn't
happy but then when it came out he was
happy so there's a few truths that were
published in his lifetime this is the
address where it was from. Okay.
Um I've quoted in the past the writes
unbelievable. He writes something
like my ridiculous shyness about famous
question that people always ask is he
the of the because a lot of people say
he is. It's clear says the
Hamaspikas Maduro that he's not a Talmud
of him but he calls himself a Talmud
sometimes because his father was a
Talmud but he was not a Talmud and
chronologically it's very hard to say
that. Okay. Anyway um point is so we
have so this is medish of the
riff going forward
is similar from the from all these
places. So do we have more? Yes. Ramban
we have the Ramban not a fragmented
piece a massive the Ramban of course
it's published very late it's only
published in 1791 which which goes into
my theme that in times they didn't have
the but the clearly learned this fast
forward our generation is he publishes a
complete edition based on eight
manuscripts today if someone wants to
learn the ma we're already seeing
there's unbelievable amounts of new
material the rajbah so again it's
published the first time in 1729 It
means the first of did not have it. In
1965, we've mentioned him a bunch of
times. He finds more material. He
believes it's the raja and he publishes
it in later on of Cook edition. They
believe it's not the Rajba. It might be
related to the Rajba. Okay. So, they
publish based on manuscripts what they
believe is the Rajba. Um, more
information. Okay. Fast forward. Who
else do we have? Everyone knows the
Ritzvah. Again, when is the Ritzvah
published? also the first time is late
in the game. Now, interestingly enough
on certain makas we have that there's
they knew that the the rit there's he
had a few maduras. So in this
makaducian it's clear scholman wrote an
article that in 1935 he bought
ava okay and it's housed in JTS now he
bought it um at the time he says in a
footnote in the article that the
famous ravich who was a great bakian
also
um told him that the
yadhuda
quotes of this rit that liberan ended up
buying I heard um stories also of this
legendary Mikl Rabanovich who is a
expert in literature history I heard
from Mashkazi he's also frequent there
actually a story with him that he met
when he met shopping in that store but
the point is that
this which you'll see shortly when it's
published he had of what's called the
what Libman's calling the of
the the cook edition they seem told it's
not bottom line is they publish Mer of
Cook publishes the based on many
different that they have and we move on
to the mir's published again when in our
generation. So you see this maka is very
rich
in professor Alzarowitz publishes a
Talmud raan called crescrest there's the
raan is published early on but again of
cook comes over here and publishes based
on many manuscripts um the work of the
ran okay so again we're seeing this
theme that I like to say the rishim our
generation is blessed we're getting many
rishim just to point out that a cute uh
thing in the I'm very fond of these type
the things in the in the miser edition.
So points in the back that he prints
some some a few pages of this tum who's
tum he was the son-in-law a great genius
who was the son-in-law of David Oenheim
and we spoke about it Sanhedrin and so
turns out that in the work that they
published of his a few a bunch of years
ago they didn't know that in the back of
one edition of 1724 there's about seven
pages of of this
great what's in
why it was published because there was
no shas published in that year and why
punty seven pages I've yet to understand
but if someone wants those rare seven
pages I'll be more than happy to send
them to him and mezer was the one I
don't know how mezzka came to them it's
very strange but he got to it okay so I
just feel that once I came across it I
have to share such an accuda
visiad and then mister of cook claims to
have moread and the last region of of to
mention over here is the muki also that
was discovered and that was the end of
the list of the so now the con so what
we're seeing over here is there's a
crazy amount of information already
starting from the and the galore someone
wants to sit down and learn this and
there's plenty what to do what happens
as we move on so the interestingly
enough they discovered um manuscript
material of the and the kayogar was um
located some materials of the kubetus on
on this but where is it published in the
mashimus
published by a shalom. This was subject
to between them
and beyond my pay grade to know what
went on over there. But bottom line is
the materials can be found in the shalom
on say not only but materials on now
we're moving further on into there's a
great from Italia writes about him very
nicely. Um he was a known god of that
period of time. He wrote his without we
mentioned him I believe in the episode
of the Mishkan stuff and because he
also wrote relating to that he was in
the time when the in Italy they didn't
have shas the because of the so he's
writing from memory but publishes his
work also fast
forward I spoken about him in the past
so he
has mostly not noted by most people I
did note that And it's quotes it and of
I still hope one day to give a whole
episode devoted to the of
the little material of his. Okay. Now we
move on to the a few more pieces of
information to conclude and that's
number
one dich spoken about him in some other
episodes. So he
wrote so just recently in
2024 published an addition of
his and materials of his
and now they're going to do it now it's
interesting like this he's born in 1756
already at a young age of somewhere
around 14 he's learning by
the person who the mud wrote the most
chuvas to is something like 40 chs.
What's interesting is I see in the in
the edition they point out that
the and they have seven different
entries for this same because they
didn't realize that different times
refers to him different ways. Anyway,
you not only is he close with he's a
byudah, he also develops already way
back a relationship with so my friend
Mohan in his book also deals with the
relationship between
um his son-in-law which we spoke about
earlier who had the minig um who he was
saying over the so it's interesting that
they both had the same meaning of
learning is during and it's interesting
is that the it seems the the um it's
possible that the might have give it a
hespid at lev there's some type of mif
story that they bring down in this
addition which has in it a very nice job
of history about him and just to mention
one fascinating thing is that in all of
his copies of his farm he used to write
and so this m somehow saw 50 different
of his with and different ones and they
collected it and with other materials
okay anyway fast forward also at the
same time he um learned
So as they do incredible work always
they have a whole long list in how they
piece together from all the different
years when he learned this when he
learned that and they even note the
different in the different years of his
of his safer. Okay, fine.
Another was Berlin, brother of
the
so in the
writes to the notes of this great Rebl
Berlin of Mishay Berlin. He gave Tashas
vna when they published their shast they
always looking for new materials. He
gave them the materials of Rebé Berlin.
It's three pages but as you can see over
here he's saying there's a very special
and if you want to read more about
Berlin look in Rabbi Hamburg's
workshe one day we'll get to just to
mention very fast three other three four
other number one the which we quoted
earlier he had the of
the so he dies in 1761 at the age of 34
but he was only published much later on
1816 recently his some of works of his
somehow he
already even though he dies at 34 and
one of his tremendous
bales has been working on publishing
this stuff. They did a beautiful job of
the chu and they did his work on bea.
Okay. the great from Kazan who dies in
1820 for his massive massive work called
he has a which is published for the
first time in 1875 as I'm always very
fond of mentioning what about so here we
have that gives a date in 1849 that's
when he he in 1849 we know that was
learning the whole and um we have that
it's interesting is that cassed he
quotes his work on the and it wasn't
published at that time and I believe I
once quoted the lash of cook asking this
is in the late 1880s rebi when are you
going to publish your massive work on
the but he always referenced it and shar
that's how they always knew about it and
one other work the um the work um from
wrote on many we quoted he has of this
too and in a volume that I'm very fond
of quoting from Frank of the letters
between him and his son he was always
asking him to get the different works of
this so so there's that also and just to
conclude food is what's the story with
so was missing um and then it was found
a bunch of years ago so the end there's
parts that relate to there's a mass that
I've quoted in the past this work has
materials also relate to and most and to
to conclude the machba of today wrote
published the dark chuva continuing by
himself alp the mahalik of the dark
chuva based on thousands of chuvas and
blah blah blah and it has the volume is
and that's available just came out
relatively recently. So this is just
some of the materials on this. as one
could see but once again the theme that
I've been pretty much showing
consistently throughout the generations
our generation by the time the amount of
material it's well possible to learn
this ma penetrate it there's so much
there's so much material whether it's
from the there's plenty of there's what
to do so when you bored and you finish
the daff you have what to look at and go
delve into
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