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by the way for giving us at a rally
that's taking place later today in
Manhattan uh put together by the central
binle congress with us right now is
Rabbi yako Shapiro a spokesman for that
organization shme weer is the editor
their blot newspaper good gentlemen
thank you for joining us
good good let me good let me begin with
you RAB yako Shapiro your organization
is sponsoring putting together a rally
against the Israeli draft that's taking
place later in Manhattan so who's behind
the rally what's it all about what's
going on what's on the
agenda right well first I don't know if
we can call it my organization um it's
really not my organization but the
agenda is basically where people are
getting together to pray and to protest
um against the uh drafts of the Yeshiva
guys
in but but you but you're the spokesman
you're not you're not a sopher just said
but you're representing the C Central
rical Congress of the United States in
Canada which is the organizer repres
yeah I'm not a remember he said said and
I said when you greeted us okay whatever
way you say
it but but I'm just saying but you are
as the media spokesman you're the
representative for the group that's
putting together the rally and and what
what was the motivation for putting
together rally at this point in time
uh the motivation of putting together
the rally was um because of the draft
the the purpose of the rally is number
one uh to uh voice our voice our United
opinion um to anybody who's willing to
listen that uh we're against the draft
we want to first of all uh give the the
Bim who we're expecting not to comply
with the draft we want them to know that
we're behind them we obviously can't
expect people people to um put their
neck on the line to B themselves unless
uh if we don't uh do anything if we
don't do anything so but by the way it's
not official yet I know they're talking
about it but it has been implemented
there are still a lot of changes to be
made so aren't you jumping the gun by
doing it now no no no because why uh
they're trying to do it they want to do
it listen if they don't do it then fine
but on the contrary on the contrary it's
easier to stop something if it's going
to be stopped before it's implemented if
all the bads um gazis would have been
able to be protested against before they
were implemented would be a lot easier
but there still there harder to harder
to respond to well now you so but this
is unique and I'm going to go to our
guest sh weer is on he's the editor of
their BL are you
there yes good yeah so you are
representing their BL this is unique
because For the First first time you're
having two brothers that you know the
followers and the Reit have been at odds
of one another for a long time but you
having a Unity right because you have
both follows you represent
RAR of safer and rfer getting together
same Podium this is a storic event where
you have two factions of sophomore being
united by the state of Israel in
opposition to what perceived to be a
graph legisl which hasn't taken place
yet you're right is a very great thing
but this is not the first time going
back to a meeting at the Council of CRC
there was a meeting between the leading
rabbis of New York State and both rabbis
were there and that that time it was the
issue M both rabbers were there sting
sitting together and bringing both sides
together it's not the first time let's
go back to the rashin case first of all
just to mention that rashin is a and it
was KJ K Joel was the first Jewish
neighborhood that they made a
fundraising
Forin and it was continued in Lakewood
and park and all sides came together
there is time when you put everything
inside and you come together now the
same thing happened to willburg two
years ago where there was a p
fundraising in willburg in the ballroom
of Continental on R Street
everybody who the pig who is the pigon
stream for in that
case it was um
Mr okay and everybody came together and
um in the same in the same time we
support the case everybody gave some
donations bigger smaller but it's always
good and therefore what is happening
tomorrow it's a
real after is getting together but in
the other case did they speak together
publicly on the same Podium or is they
had it at work because from what I
understand this is a first public event
where they're going to actually be
speaking
together to my to my knowledge none of
the rabies would be talking there are a
selected uh list of uh
speeches which does not include either
of the grand rebes of theic sect
entirely I mean um we expecting
another couple Grand I'm not a couple
but expect a lot of rabies Grand rabes
and on the list I don't think there's
any Grand re or Rabbi who going to speak
why isn't any of the grand rbies aside
from speaking
tomorrow but this this is the custom by
this demonstration never a rabi was
speaking this goes back to
the
and they were not speaking they were
just attending and giving support and uh
this is going to continue tomorrow now
let me ask you at the meetings did both
rebies did they speak to each other they
shake hands had it at work because I
wasn't there so just for the edification
of our audience give us an idea what's
going on because you know there has been
feuding back and forth for quite a while
some of it has gotten pretty nasty we've
covered it on the a so just Tru now is
this genuine piece or just getting
together for the day and you go back to
fighting if give us a
picture we hope this is going to aail
and to my knowledge we expected tomorrow
on the Das a couple of hundred
dignitaries
um
and and you're expecting a a a large a
large group
there okay th those that are just tuning
in you're listening to a special
broadcast that uh we are putting
together tonight and about a rally that
that's taking place uh actually later
today in uh in lower Manhattan and we're
going to give you an opportunity in a
little while we're going to open up our
phone line so those that are calling
right now we're not going to the phone
calls at this moment but we are going to
take your phone calls in a little while
and you'll have an opportunity to speak
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um speak your speak your peace and speak
what you have in your mind again our
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that's Zev talkline
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upcoming it's upcoming and there very
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going to go back to our guest and we're
going to we're going to do that and
we're going to take our special guest
and we're going to take your phone calls
as well okay okay okay we're going to
just reestablishing contact again
with our special
guest okay and here we go and I believe
we got interrupt go ahead I think you
were speaking U uh sh go
ahead sh are you
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there okay sh can you I don't know where
I lost okay can you hear me now that
again no no you heard so so so we want
to we just want to know if there's some
peace talks ra go ahead Rabbi Shapiro
and ra and uh from the weeder from their
blood so we're on the radius so I just
want to get a handle from both of you
let me speak to you so is this real o is
there are they talking is there going to
be continuation or just just getting
together for the rally and they go back
here separate ways after the
rally are you there can you hear
me
is okay we can you hear me we can hear
you
okay we're going to reesta we're going
to just fix that find out what the
problem is we're going to be right back
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right now are the organizers is the
organizer of the
anti-israel rally taking place later
today RAB yaku shapir of the central
bical Congress and Sh weer of their blot
newspaper I'm just trying to get a
handle of sh before we get back to R
shapir we're going to take your phone
calls in just a few moments but let me
ask you this um are the Rees talking to
one another this a Prelude to this what
I started asking before we broke are
they getting together more what's game
plan because people want to
know I just as I said before is a big
thing and in the previous uh couple of
months they met they sat in one ballroom
and they discussed together issues that
CL is as I mentioned before M and so on
now tomorrow they both going to attend
as many other leading Grand rabbis and
ronas and probably as I said before we
expecting a couple of 100 dignitaries
and therefore the big lead rabbis of the
bigger congregations and yeshivas would
be spread out through the Das to
maximize but
if our grand
of would have an ability as the
masterminder of the protest he's the one
who called for it last Sunday night at a
special event willburg called willburg
it was a an a to fight
internet at that time um he made an
announcement not not by himself but it
was done in his name so if if he's going
to have an ability to walk around the
Das and to shake hands for each and
every dignitary for each rebi Risha and
say thank you for coming definitely he
would es skap him and now um you say the
your re lab you coron lab you re to yet
or that's not in the
offing it's definit we have to give
respect for everybody and including
for okay now let me turn to R Shapiro
and ask you so this is a Saka rally
that's taking place
today
no Saka is uh going to be well
represented but uh it's not any more a s
moral than um anything else that satma
attends there's going to be other hiuses
um BS is going to be there
um bov is going to be there um there's
going to be L Shiva is there um satna
has the resources and the ability to
organize such a thing uh to do the
logistics but no it's not a s morality
and I I just want to ask you a question
you characterized it earlier as an
anti-israel rally that's quite an
ambiguous uh adjective and well is it is
it an is it a pro-israel rally or an
anti-israel
rally
does every rally that takes place in the
world have to be pro-israel or
anti-israel well let but let me
tell but are but your buing is and
you're you're it's not here to support
solidarity is you're protesting Israel
is that a correct assessment of what's
taking place today it depends what you
mean we're here if a guy protests the
Vietnam War of America is it an
anti-america protest well listen I'm I'm
going to read from a flyer that's posted
on failed side which is a fly given out
to sophomore school students the United
to Medical Academy here's what the flyer
say I have a copy in front of me here's
a loose translation with the help of God
suddenly there'll be a huge protest
we're going to make fun of the Zionist
because they're saying that Yesa
students must God for become soldiers
we're not allowed to make war with
the told that the stop the holy Messiah
from coming
protest uh will go on the way of tur
with far war to sanctify God's name so
obviously ly saer is characterizing as
an anti-israel rally it can't be any
clearer than that first of all that that
that that thing you read can you give me
the Yiddish for those words we're going
to make fun of the zionists that's a
strange uh phrase to use um I I highly
doubt The
Originals that's even worse oh does that
mean to make fun no this is translation
means even worse than make the so the
translation was yes it's even is even
worse destroying design that's even
that's even worse no it doesn't mean
destroying design please stop with these
translations SM how would you translate
please listen so you tell me I'm I'm
looking at the fly over okay so now
that's what I was waiting for I'll tell
you the the topic of the protest
tomorrow is against the draft there's no
question about it that's it it's against
the draft now the fact of the matter is
that the motivation for the draft is
another thing that has to do with uh
attacking our culture and trying to
change us into them but the the uh issue
of the day is one
topic don't categorize this as
anti-israel because what you're doing is
you're telling the people out there that
those that are against the draft
shouldn't come unless they're against
Israel's existence which is a false
representation wait wait hold on
everybody should you believe this
are you are you a supporter are you a
supporter of the state of Israel
irrelevant to the IR to the
question motivation is is a motivation
part because let's put it this way let's
be honest and I love the saer community
but they're not pro Israel they're anti
the state of Israel right that the the
topic of tonight's show is not the S
community no but but aren't they
organizing like you said they're
organizing the rally so they're put
together said that they're doing the
logistics and they're doing that they
have the ability to make this come
together you're portraying this as a s
thing and that's not
correct the point of the protest is to
protest against the draft of Yeshiva
guys anybody who's against the drafting
of Yeshiva guys can be there and can
join in the the purpose of the protest
now it happens to be yes s is against
Israel 100% no question about it but the
that Quest but the particular protest
that's going on tomorrow is not about
satma it's not about that it's about the
DFT please don't change it to anything
else please don't try to marginalize
what's happening I look at the fly but
the flyer that I read to you which sent
out to
the that they're going to that they're
going to embarrass the zionists because
of what they're doing now even if
somebody
accepts state of Israel that's still
true they deserve to get a punch in the
face for what they're doing they deserve
to be spoken out against for what
they're doing but they haven't done
anything to do but you and I agree that
they hav this legislation is being
contemplated hasn't been finalized it's
going to go through IR point it hasn't
been finalized oh so you're saying that
since it has been finalized the protest
doesn't have to do with the draft it has
to do with Israel right no wrong it's
about the draft the fact that it hasn't
been finalized I I didn't I answer that
already the fact that it has been
finalized means that's easier now to to
abolish it than after it's finalized
you're trying to say that since the
draft hasn't been implemented therefore
it must be not against the draft what no
I didn't say you listen you having your
this against against the draft but I'm
just saying but there is there is an
ulterior motive over here which is
fueled by a certain agenda that's in
right which they had you're saying
you're saying that somebody is not
against Israel but he is against the
trft he has no reason to protest listen
you have leading Russia Shas including
kamki that come out against the protest
right you have lake with Rabbi who which
leading Ras that have come out for the
protest and no leading Risha who's come
out against the protest said it has
anything to do with anti-israel the only
person that I've heard said that is of
brener and still I haven't heard a
reason well listen
hold on hold I read to you a flyer
that's being distributed on fly doesn't
say it's an anti-israel protest it says
an anti excuse me anti-zionist protest
no it doesn't say anti-zionist protest
it says that that why are you misquoting
a flyer that was given out to
kindergarten kids that was mistranslated
on a Blog what the flyer says is that
they're going to um uh they're going to
embarrass the Zionist because of what
they're doing yes that's true they are
and they deserve to be because of what
they're doing because of the tras and
that's what we're going to do it's the
zionists that have uh uh governments of
Israel that have implemented or trying
to implement this this draft and we're
coming out against that now that's it
the beginning and the end it was fire
lag against Z we're going to take phone
calls in just a few moments our numbers
at
22769 1925 sh weer so you perceive this
as being a sopur rally with other
particip ation how do you view
it no it's not a r it's United voice of
the American Jury we coming out in
droves to protest to protest against the
recent decision by the Israeli
government to force Orthodox Jews to
serving its
Army we're going you said many leading
russas came out against is Rally can you
name at least two has leid come on board
for the r you've tried very hard to
bring onard come out against can you
name come out
I just qu keski ketki that's kki and
Israel keski and Israel came out against
the rally too he did first of all he's
not a he's not a Risha I asked you for
two Ras In America which is what you
said so he's a goar fine I give him his
one second one second one second he came
out against it but there's another
letter that says he came out for it
correct are you aware of that I have a
handwritten letter that's been emailed
to me it's on world news that a
handwritten letter not written by him
that somebody asked him this is what he
said agreed there is such a letter I
know about it but are you aware that
there's another letter I have a question
there's another letter where it says
that one of the participants in the
rally asked him and that he said that
he's foror it are you aware of that yes
or no I'm unaware of that and by the way
ACC an according you aware hold an
accord and also quotes
the Le Simon s that demonstration should
be made okay I'm thr another name
talking about this rally let me ask you
something question what was the question
posed to rim Ki there two conflicting
letters granted agreed what was the
question poed sir K kesi how is the
rally described do you know does it say
in that letter that this rally on this
day shouldn't go to what is what was the
question that was asked do you know I
I'm just thrown by the letter that I
have I don't have the information I
wasn't in the room the letter say what
question was asked to do you know what
the question were you there in the room
as well I'm I'm asking you I'm asking
you a question were you are you aware of
that I'm asking you I'm I'm ask you're
telling me that you know that there're
two conflict land you have the correct
one some Cur no I didn't say anything
about the correct one I just answer your
question you said that letter coming out
against this rally I asked you a
question do you know the question that
was asked
keski to which he answered no
rally obviously the question was posed
to him about this he It Was Written oh
it was what why is
that keski of the Russian of
Philadelphia wrote after been asked by
many people I'm reading on to quote to
you from yiva world.com the r hold on
hold on the Russa Philadelphia which he
wrote after being asked by many people
if they should participate in a sopore
organized anti-israel rally Manhattan
scheduled for this Sunday in the letter
of keski says that he received a letter
this morning signed by
the where he affirmed that the position
of should not be made since there is no
them but people should increase
Torah right okay so now he said should
not be made now let me read you a letter
uh
from I'll translate in English as I'm
reading he says that um it's a big
Mitzvah that everybody should goes to
this round that's taking place uh on
this Sunday and um also kki said the
same thing I asked him through his son
exactly uh what the story is and he said
that he agrees that we should do
everything to make objections
in um and this rally should be should
happen now we have a conflicting letter
could you Mr brener explain what the
difference is between the two letters so
that it's not a conflict more you know
that these letters were written about 24
hours you know you have conflict Les you
don't know what people have been saying
but I'm just telling R ketki was asked
that and let me ask you a question
before hold on hold on let me ask you a
question let me ask you a question
before we break you've been trying to
get lak with Yeshiva on board were you
successful getting lake with Yeshiva on
board of the demonstration
today yes or no were you suc hold on
were you successful in you mean on board
particip okay to go participatory in the
in the thing in the rally today
participate not partic no it's that
question is irrelevant that's not
irrelevant question that's a relevant
question because the discussion is you
said people have come out again so if
I've asked you tonight to you have not
been a gave me a letter the fact that
somebody doesn't want to participate
doesn't mean he's against something
there are plenty of reasons that com he
quoted that he said no don't participate
again again he said manki he said no no
right to all rallies no rallies are good
but he specifically about this rally and
he said no to this rally and any other R
including including this
rally listen no no listen to me number
one the coming he said no to all rounds
including that he was ask specif about
this one he said no to this understood
understood he's the only one that has
come out like that you said many
Ras he's it that's it now
spons all Ras have come out for it big
deal is this the first issue that you're
aware of that there are differences of
opinion between Russia
Yesa of course there
always but if somebody but hold on but
if you ask Russia Shiva like Lakewood
and you ask them participate and they
don't isn't that speaking volumes too no
it depend why you're not
participating at the end of the day are
they participating about
anything tell you but I'll tell you what
we're going to let the hon the people
listen no no no no no no no don't let
anything please please bear with me I'm
going to explain to you the difference
between the two letters of R
tki okay okay the that you're holding
okay the letter that you're reading the
letter that you're reading the letter
that you're holding says haon is a bear
the letter that I'm reading the letter
that I'm holding says M are good you
know the difference between a
h do you know h means in
Israel you the demonstrations that
they've had yeah do you know what
happens in that demonstrations in Israel
do you know that do you know what
happens in demonstrations do you think
that we're going to be burning garbage
cans do you think that we're going to be
conflicting with the police no none of
that is happening of course those have
gone is a bad and if you ask to make ha
especially do you know that that the
last hun somebody wrote stuff put up
posters and he wrote bad things about
Steinman do you know that they they they
dropped a a garbage can or something on
police of course that's bad I understand
that so saying don't do that that's
nothing to do with what we're doing over
here we're making a not
a there's a big
difference now I'm sure that one of the
blond when they translate it they won't
know the difference but there's a very
big difference this is a peaceful
without conflict without saying anything
bad about anybody a
United
rally with sasma with B with bu with
other
lith nobody's going to be conflicting
with any police this is not what they
call in Israel no there's not going to
be a violent demonstration nobody even
has the thought over here that this is
going to be a violent demonstration
it's not going to be anything like any
that took place in Israel about this
it's not going to be like any of
those and that's the answer between the
contradiction and the letters
of one says H the other says there's a
very big
difference and we believe M that what
we're doing we're
planning and um I'll give you very
strong evidence that the difference I'm
saying is true the letter that you're
holding as I said doesn't say anything
about the question that was post to high
the question about demonstration and you
find conflict when we come back we'll
tackle that point our guest and you're
here we're going to take your phone
calls when we come back and have you
Chim in as well is representing the
central ble Congress organizer of an
anti-israel draft rally taking place in
Manhattan and fr Rob yaku Shapiro the
spokesman sh weeder is the editor of
their blun newspaper when we come back
your phone call is at
22769 1925 you want to email us Z at
talkline communications.com we're going
to be right back
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don't a service of Salem
Communications we have with us rako
shapir the central Bal Congress is
spokesman for the anti-israel draft
rally taking place weer the editor of
their blot and we're going to take your
phone calls right now let's go go to
Long Island Jeff and Long Island you
have a question for our guest go ahead
Jeff and Long Island um yeah I wanted to
know um I think a wellknown fact that
the state of Israel has been supporting
the sheas for since practically since
its Inception with a wild lot of money
so SP saying that they're protesting
against the draft and I think that it
should be they should show a little
gratitude to the state of Israel for
giving so much money to theas and not
protest against them like the way that
they
doing and we want to tackle that yeah
sure um two things first regardless of
what they've done in the past uh what
they're doing now what they're going to
do in the future uh the fact of the
matter is that the draft is a bad thing
it's a terrible thing and therefore we
have a right to protest it the United
States of America has done very uh
wonderful things for very many people
but certain times they do things that
people protest and it's not a
contradiction to anything else
however I do want to say this
we know that the state of Israel is
founded on the uh idea of normalizing
the Jewish people in fact more important
than having a state a
territorial um solution to what they
called the Jewish problem was the
normalization of the Jewish people the
elimination of the gas Jew and replacing
him with the new
Hebrew and they've been trying for not
60 years since the beginning of Medina
but even before that for about 100 years
but certainly since the beginning of the
Medina to change us into them bris said
that theists don't want
to
Jews in order to make a Medina they want
to make a Medina in order to the Jew
they don't want to the Jews but anyway I
thank you for your phone call okay
continue yes okay and so we have okay
says yes so you don't say you don't say
rist but let me let me by the way hold
on hold on we have to move a little FAS
the pace because we have a lot of people
and let me add by the way you that Bub
is not participating in the rally just
want to make that
clear well and and there therefore the
fish doesn't owe gratitude to the
fisherman for giving him a
worm we know why they're supporting the
Shas why they supporting that's part of
the process is that they they want
control over
the that's not why they that's part of
the Electoral problem we have elected
officials from
sh where they're part of the thing you
can call me Z Now by the way mat.com is
reporting I disagree F you absolutely
disagree with me I know you dis we're
coming from different points of view I
might add by the way that there's
mav.com is posting a letter from the
sons of Moran R Kan to confirm his
opposition to the protest
so you can say that I must remind you
that that's the exact same letter that
you read before and if you would have
seen the letter You' see your talking
about the same letter twice two people
posted it the letter of Mor the sons of
Mor confirming the letter that you read
before and I agree I there's nothing to
confirm it's yes did write that
everybody agrees the question is is it
applicable to our situation okay let's
take some phone let's let's go a Yi
Brock in Brooklyn Yi has been very very
patiently waiting y you have a question
for our guests go ahead pleas SK
Bing
Yi yesi quick quick we have a lot of
people waiting to come on okay Z thank
you very much for giving me the
opportunity tonight with gratitude as
president of the BL I would like to
applaud and honor of ASM weer for being
the first one to write about this
problem in our weekly newspaper the blop
and from that day
he never stopped to his credit over
100,000 people will show up tomorrow's
thetion be a huge
K and credit is given when credit is
due okay so be many of our listen are
going to say it's going to be a just
want you
know I'm not I'm not done yet okay go
ahead I also I also like to take it
Glick director for s bam for his
courageous decision past Wednesday
afternoon to join with all of his repal
members tomorrow's demonstration and Z
let me tell you one thing to R shapo it
smell the coffee you have heard this
expression it smells like a dog it walks
like a dog eats like a dog it's s It's s
it's a s demonstration whether he likes
it or not and it is anti-israel
including the draft
okay ra Superior you hear it directly a
member of the the board of the blot the
member of the community what it what you
trying to say but if it if it looks like
a duck and Walks Like A Duck it is a
duck that's what you're saying okay
Rabbi Shapiro so he's saying this is a s
morale that's getting other people
involved which is what we've been saying
all
along that's it's the fine s morale
please organized by the soer community
both factions including the issue and
they
a sof morality that they're getting
other people involved
with nobody disagrees with that if
that's how you want to Define it I know
that they're organizing it I said they
are however the motivation for coming
there the reasons that people have to
come there are equally valid the reasons
are equally strong whether you're sasma
or not if you're against the DFT you
belong there and yes s's against is
there no question about and the people
that are going to be there the Lish of
this I'm St probably against Israel too
I would imagine I mean well imagine
anti-israel
it's but that's not the topic but you're
changing your topic because orig you
said it's anti- dri I say they're
anti-israel but okay no that's not true
don't don't don't please you said that
you said you just said right now they're
probably
anti-israel the people probably are but
the protest is not the topic is not the
existence of Israel the topic is the Dr
the people probably are I said it then
and I'll say it now she's saying the
people are going to be coming and to be
anti-israel primarily is what probably
are not probably
101% this let me make it very clear to
you so this is an antira rally is what
these are let me finish these are the
people
by these are the people who have been
doing it for the last 60 years came out
in New York City demonstrating whether
it
was where was all the problem s we had
with Israel now it's the draft but it is
a
anti-israel which this whole
demonstration was created
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by and as the of the blood he brought
his first problem out in the newspaper
and to his credit the 100,000 people or
more will show up tomorrow is because
the blot was the first one who made a
way of this problem and it's K the TOA
and the people are coming or the on who
believe
in
no thank you for clarifying and making
clear what the purpose of the rally is
today thank you
good hello this issue I me clarifying
and making clear when I said it it's
just somebody saying it he's clarifying
and making clear no he but he's saying
that that you said that it's an cling
he's disagreeing with me that's
clarifying so what he says it comes to
Seth thank you
clarify like this
issue I agree with Rao and I disagree
with okay let's see what everybody else
has to say let's go to Lakewood New
Jersey thank you for waiting Lakewood
New Jersey I believe it's Usher and
Lakewood you have a question or comment
for guest go
ahead Usher are you there from
Lakewood if not we'll go to Dena in
Manhattan okay Dena in Manhattan uh your
turn to speak to Our Guest go ahead Dena
Manhattan yes go ahead hello you're on
the air go
ahead oh yes oh hi I just wanted to say
I just I'm just really so upset um I
just feel this is anti- Torah um and
this is reminds me of just a couple of
weeks ago we read the para about the
spies going into the drill and coming
out and speaking badly is I think this
is so anti Hashem Torah and I'm so
disappointed in my fellow Jews that we
not trying to come together why us have
a conference rent a hotel room let's
talk about this civil instead of
screaming and yelling what does the
Gentile World think of us when we can't
even get our own ass together and what
about the poor Israelis who who are
fighting every day for their lives um
and to maintain the Jewish state what
about them I just just these people you
know with all the respect they sound so
arrogant and uncaring of a fellow Jew a
fellow life and I just find it very I'm
going to let our guests respond too
because interest of Tomas right they
please be to the point we have a lot of
people calling we have a lot of emails
to get
to on the first question I will ask sh
weer about making this kind of a
conference in a hotel room what is
happening now in the state of Israel is
some reformer woman are trying to come
to the Cel and um and pray and it was
the leading rushi shivas that called for
a protest they didn't say please come to
B and make a confererence they it come
out come out with dropes at front of the
cotel and make a protest and that
protest last time was by throwing chairs
and even maybe X on the police and on
the woman from the the sh Hotel so why
did you understand that you are allowed
to make a
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protest in you cannot do it
here okay she hung up but we appreciate
let me read you an email that came in it
should be stated re Shapiro is a nephew
of the L sop re of your old title B and
used to visit a Williamsburg he gave a
strong speech to Miami Beach this past
summer and a memorial there where the
re's yorai was observed he for years
been trying to promote a sere type of
anti-zionism among the litvak Yesa world
he doesn't represent the mainst litvac
opinion two you should mention the
program demonstration is AIC event with
speaker speaking in Yiddish with small
exceptions the should be aware of this
and not fall into trap being used by
Soper their allies for the propaganda
purposes Rabbi Shapiro your
response
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um I'm in Grand nephew the S through his
wife
um I'm not
Sak I don't have any Sak in hug and I um
I never
once um as far as what do you say s
world trying to engage the lital world
in anti-zionism to promote the Satur
agenda this is what the Emer is is pling
whoever El this is not aware of what the
satma agenda is there is a idea out
there that anybody who anti- Zionist
must
be and that's where this guy's coming
from the fact of the matter is it's not
true as far as the the the um
mainstream L
World speaking tomorrow at the um
rally will be there than to Hill him I
think these are very mainstream people
none of them are Sak by the way no they
not
actually because there was a kid who
learned there many years ago who's a
grand nephew the
sarba and actually Z Bren has a shus
with Saka because 35 years ago when he
had a atian store on Avenue J he had a
customer who was a grand nephew the S
well I had an acian store I did know but
I had an atici store in Staten Island by
the way was Avenue Jane 14th Street no
no 15th no no when I had that was no but
I had one in sta Island about 30 some
years ago but listen
I I listen I'm a big fan of the S
community and both sides on this issue I
think we're going to disagree Florida on
a hpit on the S
now I don't represent anybody except
myself but the idea that only sakas
against
Zionism is something is a propaganda
that's perpetrated by many many people
and anybody who went to any mainstream
youa knows it's not true but wrote that
email certainly didn't but by the way I
might add that Bub of you said before is
going to particip is not participating
bills I'm getting emails told you that
is bub somebody somebody said Bubba was
particip did not participate I'm just
making it clear for the who told you
they're not I'm getting some emails that
Bubba is not participating who you're
getting emails so you're you're tell me
officially bub and bills are officially
participating bills there's two bub do
you know which Bubba you got an email
from and you're getting emailed so hold
on so so I'm asking you hold on so you
tell me are both bubs participating in
your rally no I got here's a thing my
information over here which I get from
the organizers of the the rally is that
bells and at least one bub of is
participating now you get an email that
says no and suddenly becomes fact hold
on so you're telling me one bub one bub
of VI and one bub send you that email
I'm asking you a question did both
saying one is not is BS parti I B's said
did not yes yes particip okay fine so
you're that's why I'm asking you the
question you're telling me bills and
partip you get an email that I'm
answering you a question try to things
around has participated then you can
announce that is leg but but you tell me
leg with has you tried getting leg with
but you failed in getting leg with the
par I sent you an email that like was
participating then you'll say it is you
know what it's the fact that you tried
very hard to get L with to participate
and you didn't get them on board your
organization from what's the difference
your organization and let's get where
are you getting your information from
isid participating you you met with
lakid you met with the like are they
participating yes or no in the rally no
are
they
hello okay let's let's take some more
phone calls and let's see if we can get
some other people hearing what they have
to say let's go to doy in Long Beach New
York doy and Long Beach New York are you
there doy and Long Beach Doby yes Dolby
you have a question for our guest yes
I'm I'm here and I'm just letting you
know from yes I'm in a pretty I'm pretty
big
Yesa now I don't know as far as the
politics aspect of it I just know one
thing there's nobody in the ISA world as
far as all my friends as going to this
Rally or they're not going to this rally
thinking this rally is the anti-israel
rally now the the people that are
running the rally could be the an Israel
but under this uh rally of from older
men section of kol everybody's just
coming for one reason that's what I feel
for anti
the okay so so are you going to the
rally are you going do are you going to
the rally with members of youra tomorrow
my Isa is not going to the rally no okay
are you going to the are you going to
the rally I'm not I'm I have to follow
does okay I just I just want one thing
that means they they their they have
their AB they have their re they follow
and they have their things they do now
just because we come together doesn't
mean all sudden we all agree to
everything they say and do we have our M
they have their M but to this one thing
is the publicid they were just going
against the rally about
drafting I don't understand how they got
ever got born up proportion you know I
have hundreds ofam you know that we're
all on This Together anti the draft it's
not
anti that mean if the organizing that
means also all the hundreds of people
out there that's what advertising anti
Israel well that's what's being
portrayed is that they're organizing the
rally so they have an agenda which is
broader you have some that participant
that may be just anti theft but
certainly they're the ones that putting
it together I appreciate your phone call
we're going to take a break and we come
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hashley and Brooklyn you have a question
for our guest go ahead hashley and
Brooklyn good everybody have great
guests I wanted to say that how come
they don't draft the Arabs you know they
talking about fair treatment they don't
draft the ads but yet they trust the ads
be the canet as well as the Supreme
Court and there's that one k Jew who a
judge in the Supreme Court why is that
first first of all there's some Arabs
that there's certain Arabs MERS that do
serve in the Army and there's talking
about also more national service and we
didn't talk about the the gist of what
the debate is in Israel is not just
drafting the Army it's also talk about
national service and that's something
which um is the part of the debate in
Israel no they're cutting
the families yet they won't cut the AR
that they're afraid to cut they give the
J they give him $100 million doar to
give him all that money but the poor
little from ye we has to suffer
he has to suffer well listen this issue
has not been adjudicated it's going
through the procedures right now so in a
way this is premature because we don't
know how it's all going to turn out at
the end because there's still a lot of
discussion back and forth they're
debating it has not been finalized in
law I wanted to tell shapir what he has
to do is tell the Israeli government
that half of3 billion dollar that comes
to America to go to the SE this because
we ordered us Jews votes for the
politicians that support Israel the
secular all voted for Obama but we
religious Jews we're the ones that the
reason Israel get $3 billion a year half
of it belongs to the
ERS there's no question there's no
question about it um
Israel countries that for themselves
Israel lives off American money they
they don't want that theim should be
schoras they're the biggest schnor
country in the entire world they would
survive 3 weeks without United States of
America money never you're right 100%
it's like unbelievable so anyway thank
you for your call we're going to move on
let's go to Lake with New Jersey I
believe we have Westgate uh New Jersey
you have a question for our guest go
ahead please go ahead please you're on
the air yeah um St I just wanted to I'm
I'm bucker learning in um DMG okay so
you you ke keep mentioning that
lakewood's not going to the to the rally
against the draft but I just want to say
it's not not true at all me and hundreds
of my friends are going and we're not
going because we're against Israel I'm
definitely not against Israel my sister
is going to Birthright this summer The
only reason we're going is because of
the I know that if I was in Israel a b
learning in Israel and I would be forced
to go to the Army I would not want to
have to go so to show our support to
these B that they shouldn't have to go
we're going to show up there's buses
being going from Lakewood I know a lot a
lot of people people from lwood are
going to the rally against the draft
because we don't want the bu to have to
be drafted we need we need their
learning and uh that's the whole reason
we're going organized by say is not true
so forget about it you're 100% right
listen re shapir you know what you and
by the way is by the way the buses from
Lakewood will be leaving between 2: and
2:30 Forest Corner North Lake Drive is
going to be $15 a round trip so please
the B from Lakewood come and bring your
friends if more as as possible now by
the way in Lakewood are they is it is it
rashash Shiva saying to go or not to go
what are they saying
Riva Thea is in Mexico right now so he's
not coming but he didn't say we
shouldn't go he said everyone should do
what they would like whatever he said he
has his reason I can't question my revi
but he said everyone could do what they
like I personally asked him if I could
go he said you could do what you like
I'm definitely not telling you not to go
that's all he said now that means that
you can can go if you feel that you want
to go
because I have a a cousin who's one of
who will be drafted if this goes into
effect and I don't want that to happen
so that's why I'm going and hundreds of
my friends I know hundreds literally
hundreds are going to be coming some of
them from BMG some of them from many of
other Yas and L because you have to show
your support to the B they're like us
that's the whole we're okay I appreciate
you Funk well thank you here's an email
question ask your guest if he advocates
for the Ked Community to urge the United
States government to cut foreign aid for
Israel if they implement the
draft I haven't thought in the slightest
I'm sorry I have not thought about that
question in the slightest okay and what
about you
sh and we're thinking some other
measures to take one of them to have a
meeting with the lead leading rabbis
ronam to call a boycott on Israeli
products if God forbid the legislation
goes through and they're gonna gonna try
to draft inforce our B toas we're going
to talk to the rabbis we're going to
discuss it they're they're going to
discuss it and it's a possibility it's a
possibility that if they're going to put
our Yesa in jail by refusing to be
drafted in the Army a boycott could be
called out on the entire on all Israeli
products second of all it's a
possibility it belongs for the to
discuss we could call for a a ban to
travel to Israel for one year or two
years till they're going to retract
their plan but nothing is sure it's
something it's a possibility so we going
we we will not sit still we're going to
do everything in our capability to help
out our brothers in Israel they
shouldn't be drafted in the Israeli Army
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94213 extension number one okay let's
got a Leia in bar Leia in very patiently
what waiting L and BP your question for
our guest go ahead lay and
BP hello yes go ahead you have a
question I'm sorry go ahead you have a
question for our guest yes you have the
wrong name that's okay go ahead um it's
frankly this is very embarrassing for
those people that are speaking out
especially you two guests I Cann help
believe some of the things that are
saying firstly the fact is Israel could
survive without $3 billion that's a
known fact and it's been a known fact
for the past 20 years the economy is
doing very well uh and frankly the more
he shouts the more he talks loudly
doesn't necessarily make him right
secondly there are is not one American
politician that would say that we should
stop giving Israeli Aid if this thing
went through I can't think of any
politician especially in the that would
say you know what we're not going to
give Israel 2 billion or 3 billion and
thirdly the reason why they're giving
the money $3 billion most of it goes
directly into military uh uh product and
Military uh service and the fact is that
if a lot of it went to Yesa B then
Israel Israeli milit
uh Power would would diminish in Israel
and frankly I I had to laugh when your
guest was arguing with you Z Brer about
whether you own a store in bar park or
not and that was one hood of an argument
maybe he got an email about it yes I
mean that was the most ridiculous
argument and it makes as much sense and
he's he's right about that in the same
way that he's right about all the other
things he said I mean and frankly the is
precedent for buam going to the front
lines year thousands of years hundreds
of years ago but from going to the front
lines and learning with the soldiers
when they didn't want to fight or didn't
want to join the military so I would ask
your guest if he would allow Yesa B
going to the front to learn with their
military comrades not to fight but to
lure on the front lines would that be
okay with him anybody want to tackle
that what purpose what what purpose
would that
serve what purpose would that serve
there would be serving and at the same
time there would be learning on the
front
lines Why is would not be affected
morally learning on the front lines
serves I'm not it on the front lines
there would be would be physic for for
the people in the military it was done
years ago okay it was done years ago in
in in the P Army in certain areas was
done so I'm asking you if it for physics
for the soldiers you complain about the
morality you complain about the moral of
the soldiers and the
what is going on in the military he
excuse me I'm not trying to understand
why was this done they took a guy with a
gamarra and just put him on the front
lines with no gun no
nothing would you want first of all it
wasn't many people did not know
necessarily not know nothing there are
many people in the military that are big
L what are you talking about I have
cousins in the military they've know how
to learn as well as anyone in yba what
are you talking about and secondly hold
on one at a time let the let the
call go ahead okay you now you can
respond cuz he finished what he had to
say now you can I'm not sure I
understand the question what you're
asking is would we take guys with goras
and just take them out of Bas put them
on the front line not give them a gun
that's not your question just let them
sit and learn in a dangerous place in
the front line for why we be learning
with the comment in arms that would be
learning with with soldiers when there
was no fighting or there was
Duty or whatever it whatever
they the Army no our our guys are not
going into the army so in other words if
you have a nephew who knows how to learn
he's in the front line probably he has a
friend also that knows how to learn so
why don't they learn each together why
do you need to pull out somebody from
Thea to go to the front line or your
nephew just the only one who knows how
to learn because there are certain
people that don't learn as much at the
front line these people would be a it
was done thousand hundreds of years ago
these people would be a to those people
that don't learn those people that do
learn a little bit and those people that
learn a lot these people would be a and
also their mind would be on the learning
and at times whether it was a brief
break whether it was in war or not in
war these people would be learning you
know as well as I do that in the Israeli
Army there are people learning whether
they're on duty or off duty there are
times that they learn so even even so
even when there is no fighting or even
when there is fighting there have been
many people that have gone with gar they
have gone with the kasham they have gone
with their mtis and they have learned on
the front line so I'm asking you could
they do what they did years ago they
this this president for this in K's Ro
they did this years ago
many
that to those people that were F anyway
anyway you made your point on that very
you made your point we're going to move
on we have a lot than you raise a good
point let's go to Le and BP very
patiently wait waiting Le and BP your
question or comment go ahead lay in B
Park yes with all due respect to you uh
Ze I listen to you many times and I call
you many times usually you call a guest
and you let him speak on the topic Pro
against whatever whatever side what to
guest and you let the people call up and
say they're for what he's saying or
against what he's saying here you seem
to be putting every time it comes to
Israel you seem to be putting your own
personal thing I know you're aist and
you have every right to be whatever you
want to be but are you and I wanted to
ask you something else are you against
or for drafting a Yesa B into the army
well first of all going the fact that
you're able to call in and we invited
our guests on the program we have all
different perspectives on the year Rabbi
shapir a little comp right and Rabbi
shapir is being a little combative
tonight and I'm being combative in
response with all due respect we have a
that a lot of hold on one at a time let
let Leia speak go ahead Leia yes we have
a com that announces the news is for
people that maybe don't listen to the
radio or don't have internet or whatever
it is and people call up it said that
buzs and bells and closenberg and S and
this one and that so you start
sidetracking him is this bub of coming
is the other bub of coming is that s do
you think they're going to speak after
this is not a topic about if the two SAS
are going to speak if the two bubs are
going to sit next to each other if the
two clothing works are going to look at
each other this is a matter of dra ask
thing are Yeshiva Boys that's the whole
K of Cl is the Yeshiva Boys learning in
Yesa are you for it or against it why
can't you answer that question listen
they're right now they're in the and I
actually been in the Israeli Army we
I've giving out and I've come across in
the army that serve there and you want
to know something if those B want to
serve they should be allowed to I
believe that there's going to be some
compromise that's going to happen at the
end of the day I don't know what the
numbers are going to be about a
compromise I'm ask you are you for
taking
boys Bo into the army yes or I think
that a certain percentage of them should
serve in the Army has to be worked at
half when I met with the head of Shas by
the way he agreed that there there
should be a certain amount of kedi boys
in the Army the number to be determined
well whoever agrees that they should be
there let them go and whoever doesn't
want to go and they're sitting and
learning there now let me ask you a
question what would be so bad that
agreed to go go and by the way I don't
think that it's wrong to have if a bck
is 22 23 which is part of the process if
they want to do some sort of national
service helping out in the communities
what's so bad if they help out in their
communities I want to tell you something
if you're talking about satma all night
or both satas this satma three satas two
satas or whatever it is I want to tell
you something just looking at satma I
hear that the S people do not take money
from the government so if anybody could
say anything at any time they should be
able to say anything because they're not
taking any of the help from the
government not for the achiever not for
the girls girl schools anything so
really you cannot demand for them to be
drafted before you take everybody else
who's taking money from them so and and
and second of all I just wanted to say
that komasa just reported I was
listening to komasa and they said BS and
bubb and satma and closenberg and a
whole bunch of other all are endorsing
this thing and this is not just uh he
just doesn't say his own uh thoughts or
meaning like you're taking a phone call
say oh somebody said brother's not
coming then oh I got an email
something's not coming this one's not
coming that was he just said a whole
bunch of places that are coming no
question a whole bunch are coming and by
the way Soper from the very beginning
both so we said at the beginning of the
program that they both are coming you
were trying to Sid step everything say
are the re going to talk to each other
this that's a legitimate question this
has to do with their getting together
about something that's very important
that they're both against it nothing but
you will admit though that as far as the
draft is concern I know the ratings this
sounds very but but but you know but
that's part of the process because it
took the state of Israel to get them
together on this particular issue you
know what so every every B thing
sometimes has you're not
right brought them together rash can
brought them together so please stop
with this argument but but the state of
Israel certainly brought them together
in this particular
issue are together point out zev's false
statements you're being
combative and you're being you aren't
being combative tonight that we already
told you that this is not the first time
they got
together why are you insisting it is I
didn't say the first time right now I
said to this the state the fact Israel
that is the fact is is the state today's
rally you're going to have both them
participating because of the fact that
together how often they get together you
gave me two examples no no no no you
said the state of Israel state of Israel
to get them together that is not true
and we told you it's not true but made
blumberg it's not the state of Israel
it's made of Bloomberg and it's the
health department of the New York City
okay let's take some more phone calls I
believe mosa from Bor park has been very
patiently waiting mosa is is that you
mtion BP hold on I think it's a mosha in
borrow part so let's see if it's mosha
go ahead your question or comment go
ahead please oh yes good evening she
told my son a little bit later but my
question to to RAB Shapiro and RAB weer
if the state of Israel decides tonight
that they will not dress boys from sou
or people that don't take money from the
government they are ex they do not have
to join the army people that don't take
money don't have to go into Army will
they call off the
protest no no the protest is not against
drafting satma people it's drafting any
Shiva guys you want
to show them that hey the was right
deliv was right and that's what the pro
is
about to
show that the was right agreed to that
no actually it's not about yeah you know
that will never be in the Army the is
doesn't want something in the Army there
will be a compromise this it's about
money the Argan tell every at the end of
the day people who don't take money from
the government will not have to go to
the Army that's what it's all about they
want to
get know they want that's what it's
about they don't want in the Army you
know
that you're listen what he said about
the bris if you would be listening to
him they're going to try to the
each and every Jew
belare no difference how they going to
try to demoralize
them by pulling you into the army I I
spoke to
uh from that his brother was in the he
said the language there the atmosphere
everything it's like a secular disc I
mean even you have a she in the morning
maybe one or two people sitting learning
it's a it's very very bad for to go
there even in the
soal I'd like to answer by the way I met
some people from n they've been very
proud and very successful n Go ahead RAB
Shapiro the IDF put out a magazine issue
of B you and the IDF then you know it's
a monthly magazine they put out they
made a special uh series for the K uh
soldiers if you take a look in that
magazine
that it's yes the language could be bad
and so on and so forth but there's
something worse they they inculcate the
soldiers with the ideas that uh uh uh
nationalism is what's going to save the
Jewish people that the state of Israel
not the not the the state of Israel is
what makes us strong and a strong Army
is what a strong Israeli Army is what uh
you know where do you know this from
because have you been in the Israeli
Army have you been to the bases okay
I've been to the Bas and I can tell you
there's a lot of religious soldiers in
the bay there's a lot of learning going
on there's there's a lot of I I that
doesn't diminish the accuracy of what
said no because it doesn't it proves
what you're saying is not correct I'm
not saying that I didn't say nobody says
that if a guy goes to the Army he's
guaranteed not to put on sill in again
not at all I have three guys who I know
who I spoke to today the former Israeli
Army members and they're all from I'm
not saying that I'm saying the hash that
they teach that they inculcate people
with in the Israeli Army are against
what these boys have learned all their
lives where do you get that from because
I spoken to a lot of the H she was and
lot of people in the Army and they're
going to tell you something completely
different that they're living no no no I
agree with you you're tell me Israeli
listen Z the Israeli Army hasus that
they teach match perfectly with the
heads of the yeshivas
not with
the that's the problem I agree with you
and that's why you havei which is a
separate Union in the Army which I've
met some of them too no but even in that
separate unit again read their
magazine uh the cover has two guys and
it says lro hadel to answer the call of
the flag read the magazine and you'll
see what they're inculcating themselves
with that people it changes their their
state of mind change their state of mind
to do what how does it change the state
of mind to do what not to do not to do
their values what what guarantees the
continued existence of clist what role
the state of Israel in the IDF play in
in in clal in the history of the Jewish
people they're being taught one thing
and the army they teach them something
completely different and what are they
teach them in the army that that you
have to have a belief in an army that
you have to serve in the Army what are
they teaching
them they're teaching them that the
state of is
a strong state of Israel and a strong
Israeli Army is what guarantees the
future existence of the Jewish people
and that our strength our strength is
what uh wins Wars for us or I'll give
you an example of what they and even
when they speak about God give you an
example of what one of their generals
has said it said yes the Lord can even
save can save even a few but these few
need strong arms and legs and must use
all their might to climb a crawl to get
their
right you need you have to do it by the
way even
if okay you need you need you need the
wherewithal to do it you can't just rely
if you're going to fight an enemy you
have to can't you have to Dove and and
shoot a gun the wherewithal is not a
with God that's wrong that's not you you
could believe that I don't know what I
don't know what the right you're picking
on your one you're telling me about an
email you're picking one writer for a
magazine that represent tting around you
want just give me a number how many what
how many examples do you want of such
things where where where the leaders of
Israel have uh portrayed their own role
in Jewish history and their Army's role
in the survival of the Jewish people or
even their states role true or false
didn't Netanyahu say recently that he's
only going to make peace with the Arabs
what if they recognize that Israel is
the nation state of the Jewish people
that's right Israel so what's wrong with
that but but I'll tell you why because
Jews do not have a nation state we are a
religion not but we currently have a
state we currently have a
state a nation state no a nation state
is what makes the nation a nation
without Italy there will be no Italians
without France there'll be no French the
nation state means without Israel
there's no Jewish Nation that's not what
he said Nan that's not what netan said
you're taking out of con but I don't
want to no it's not true Israel is not
the nation state of the Jewish people
that's look Google it nation state
that's what it
is has a respect for Torah in Jud in
fact I believe his son won Theon if I'm
not mistaken but let's take that's part
of the problem they they they part of
the Zionist philosophy and again give me
any number and I'll give you any number
of examples of where this where they
have said this themselves they they
believe that in golus the Jewish people
um became broken they became the G Jew
they are bringing them back to the age
of tanak where was a was a fighter was
Conan the Barbarian and SCH was T of the
Apes and the rabbis in in in the days of
the tal after the Rebellion which by the
way they tell the kids that ler
celebrates the Baka Victory serious in
all the public schools in Israel and in
the army that after the Bak Victory Jud
Jewish people went out of history and
they became broken they became so Jewish
and they're bring they now finally have
a state and we're bringing back Judaism
or the jewishness rather to where it was
where it belonged tanak
Nota because tanak without you know
we're getting Sid stepped and and and
again you're bringing up what
is I may we can argue we can argue about
I you want to get in theological
discussion we'll get into theological
discussion but IAL reasons of why we're
against the draft you're against
because you're anti-israel you're anti
the state you're anti the state of
Israel want to bring in to show them
that they like
satman now here's an email question both
satman Rees were in the room concerning
the matisa B they not even shake hands
nor owledge each other in fact there are
several Court proceedings between the
two going on so this is a farce it's
just a show and tell to attract people
to attend the rally this what an email
so want to respond to the
email go ahead go
ahead yes there is differences and
things are being worked out we hope we
hope soon to be hearing some good news
because both sides are sitting together
and they're going to come out hopefully
with a solution and things is going to
be much better and better now um
with is the one who brought together
both tler rabit on the one roof
now whatever they're doing or not doing
I'm not saying they shook hands or
didn't shake hands and I'm not saying
they're going to shake hands tomorrow
tomorrow we're going to see a couple of
100 dignitaries other from all
congregations Yesa not all but from many
many congregations and yeshivas and they
going to come out in force to protest
the plan to dra
our here's another question you said
before about if the draft does take
place about what should be the response
here they want to know if um would you
also hook up with the folks in America
that are anti- divestment and what about
K product would that be boycotting
Israel that's an email question coming
in as
well um I'm not ashamed to answer you I
don't know what is anti anti- divestment
what is that there's a group in the
United States of people who are that
want to devest they want to buy any
Israeli products they want America and
different countries to devest from
buying products from the land of Israel
so that's what the going to be done by
the rabbis if it going to be the the
solution probably it wouldn't probably
wouldn't go together with them it's
going to be a separate a separate band
but it's up to the rabbis and whatever
they're going to tell us we're going to
listen and basically speaking that uh
you were you would be boycotting you'd
be looking if the rabis say you can
foresee being a boycott is what you said
before
correct okay we are taking your phone
call of our final stretch when we come
back uh we're looking at a rally an
anti-israel rally that's scheduled for
later today our guest is RAB
yaku our final stretch and let's let's
go here's an email question for you
gentlemen anyone who lives in Israel
benefits from the governor regardless if
he takes money police rdf lights
flushable toilets and mail no one calls
the a the when a terrorist is in town so
the say don't need to service because
they don't take any money is a bad
argument
you want to tangle that gentlemen okay
yes there's a lot lot of our people
living in the state of Israel before the
state was established now the state was
established against their will they were
living in peace before the state of
Israel even was established and
unfortunately when you say you were
living in peace hold on hold on you said
that they were living in a state of
Peace you mean there was no killing of
Jews by Arabs before 1948 there was no
prgram 1929 in Kone or anything like
that
was but only after instigation of the Z
people in Israel no they were not
killing Jews
1800s mid 1800s Zionism started not 1948
the 1930 the ha already existed B for
declaration in
1917 I suggest you read a book called
Jerusalem 1913 by a woman Amy dxer
Marcus she want a p p surprise for it it
describes that in that the year where
the Arabs
okay go
ahead okay
hello hello yeah go ahead
uh okay so the question is right the G
went and um he said that it's a
wonderful place for Jews and the Arabs
are a peaceful people the have a
terrible terrorist of the animal no
question about
it but
the antagonizing that design is did
again read Amy by the way may may I
suggest you read
am we're I read backwards and forwards
wonderful wonderful nothing to do with
what I'm saying what does I have to do
it has to do with it negates your
anti-zionism that's what it has to do
with yes it absolutely does absolutely
does did you ever read it what does it
say in the first chapter say the
name read the first chapter about I
don't have the book in front I can go
get it I don't have in me right now you
know anything about it you're just
mentioning so let me tell you something
nowhere in name does it mention anything
about creating a state of Israel he
talks about yeah I know I'm a you said
but which is quoted in one of the
additions
in says was far from being a Zionist he
discusses this completely different
topic about the settlements the colonies
it's a different issue not a state but
he wrote he died before the state
actually came on but he gave a basis for
the state and and he was vilified for
that as he was vilified for that too by
the way State he argues why the
nonreligious can build a state and why
they even today yes he does come on he
told about how he talks about the how
the messia can come from non-religious
people from people that are considered
some goes through the whole
thing he doesn't talk about a state he
talks about he doesn't he talks about
the building they talk about the
building of AR and when he died the
state was not formed he was talking
about the fact that non-religious people
including anti-religious could be the
harbinger to bring msia to come that's
what he writes in this book fine i z z z
I understand what he says but number one
he doesn't discuss having a state having
a hard ringer anti anti-religious it's a
different issue all together if you
you're you're you're saying that Amad at
least know what they hold at least I'm
familiar with I am familiar with what
the position is now what I want to do
now let's take a couple of phone we're
almost near the end of the program a lot
of people waiting to speak to you to
let's go a mosha in the and I don't mind
they doing another show about the
anti-zionism there was even a rebi um
who is called the reev yam shimo because
he himself changed from being
anti-zionist to Zionist we'll cover that
in a future broadcast let's go to M Bar
Park you have a question for our
guest mosa if you're not there we're
going to go to Muny New York okay Muny
New York you have a I believe it's more
High m you have a question for our guest
go ahead Mony hello I was strong point
that the
beginning
wanted um to
vmg um he wants him to attend and they
spoke and AD said clearly that he
wants that when he he agreed to come to
the poest at the beginning
um I can't prove it but some some the AR
from
fromour and clearly said title bomb that
this is going to be
anti-zionist anti-zionist rally and
we're going to say clearly that we are
not only against the draft we are
against the whole thing and the of the
said is very clear a lot of times he
opposed A lot of times T tests that are
not um direct against the state of
Israel the oppon such retest because he
wants because he because it's according
to him it's a if you don't say that
you're against state of
Israel can I respon go right ahead yeah
I'm not familiar with the conversation
between the r anded
the a few months I I understand I I
can't talk to that because I don't know
but I will tell you the the's position
on this
yes it's it's true that he said that you
need to mention at these rallies that
nobody should think that because you're
protesting the events be it the pool in
Jerusalem be it the drafting of women be
it now the drafting of men you cannot
give the impression that you're for the
state of Israel and that you're only
against exus because that would indeed
be AEM and what we need to do is we need
to tell the world he
says if you'd like to look it up we need
to tell the world that the state of
Israel is a totally secular State and
doesn't represent the Jewish people
because we Jews are blamed in the eyes
of the world for the acts of the state
of Israel he wants us to distance
ourselves from that and to tell the
world you know what we don't want credit
for what Israel does and we don't want
blame for what they do they don't
represent us it's
in and in the the IG maharit in the back
there's a transcript about he had about
the uh between while he was organizing
the protest in
1958 but he also never made a protest
unless there was an event to tie it to
be it the the um the pool in Jerusalem
or be it the the drafting of women or
whatever it is they never had never made
randomly an anti-israel rally of course
he was anti-israel fine wonderful I
agree with him uh but
the the and and and the B the point of
the protest was he said yeah you need to
make sure that people understand that
it's not merely the event that you're
against however the protest itself
definitely is tied to a specific event
so by this protest are you you're going
supposed to say that you're anti-israel
you supposed to
speakers
say I'm sure somebody will say some let
me respond a couple weeks ago there was
a protest in Isel
called and not a single word was said
that they are against the existence of
the state of Israel now is are the
leading rabbis of the
sou and they understand as much or more
than M from was to say at a pro at a
protest of not not a single word was
said about of Israel they were disagre
certain things in the video also okay in
the earlier
years know
noers and if you want to do it none of
of our leading rabbis ever came out
saying that idus went away from the was
from the de oil now you you cannot say
that at least you have one Rabbi with
you that would put in writing saying
that
left the ways of the now there was a
protest couple weeks ago and will repe
not a single word was set against the
state of Israel and not a single word
was s against the religious party in the
K so let me so let me let me get
clarification and Rabbi Shapiro let me
get clarification so tomorrow's rally
which is today's rally is there going to
be an anti-israel speech made as well is
that part of this what's going to happen
today no it's it's not part of the
agenda if somebody mentioned something I
don't know I have no idea but it is not
on the agenda it is not part of the
purpose of the rally in the slightest if
somebody asks me um I not I'm the
spokesman if somebody asks me I'm going
to tell them just like I told you that
it's against the draft if somebody asks
subsequent to that one of the
newscasters or something or whoever well
are you people against Israel do you
believe the state of Israel is trying to
schm so on and so forth I will answer
truthfully that yes we are but this
rally as you heard from that kid from
like with that called anybody that's
against the draft has equal purpose and
equal reason to be there here's an email
question please don't allow the stopar
to stipulate you that they don't take
money from the state of Israel they
absolutely do what did not talk taking
is funding for the isas individuals and
families are taking money just like
everyone else so they shouldn't act if
they're not taking any money and they
don't want to participate in the draft
they should not be given that money
that's what yon
writes okay y's entitled to his
opiniones privately money you cannot
prove it but if theas are are loudly
rejecting money it's aish hasem and this
is the way RAB teached us and this is
the way teached us and this is the way
the Pres RAB teaches us and we're going
to stick to it there are two reasons not
to take money from Israel according to
the different number one there's a
mystical thing about a person's uh uh
character a person's Essence is tied to
his money but number two much simpler
that we don't want to be bounds to them
very simple we don't want to be bounced
we want to be independent we don't want
them to control us we don't want them to
have any control over us here's an email
question B are you saying that this is a
rally against n that R endorses please
let him answer clear
the answer is it's a it's a rally
against the
draft period the draft not anything else
the draft so the answer is no it's
against the draft let's go to another
phone call let's go to yon I believe in
brookin uh you've been waiting very
patiently your question we're almost
running out of time your question for
our
guest you're on the
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Williamsburg go
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Brooklyn yes your question your question
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please um
Z okay hi good everybody good um I just
uh I'm not s I'm not anti-is I've been
to Israel this year along three times I
by the way spoke with you at the G
convent
and uh I really don't hate to say and
and I go a lot from Bar Park just put
out my work you're so naive you're so
one track mind you're busy with s all
the time the whole thing over here is
not against I mean it's not against and
it's not against anybody it's against
the dra against amican government will
do it we'll do a protest against the
American government as well don't don't
me here the government mean the dra if
you want to go
to go do whatever you want you cannot
take out of Yesa and tell him to
go to the
Army but by the way first of all what I
said earlier is that this draft has not
been finalized it's still negotia
they're talking about not an 18 at 21 or
22 they're talking about an option of a
draft or public service so it's not
fairly characterized as being a DFT
there's still a lot of issues to be
worked
out
matter one at a time please rab Shapiro
you wanted to say something RAB Shapiro
details are 21 186 or 22 we're not going
to tolerate a draft of yila guys period
it doesn't matter and again I'll repeat
it's much easier to stop something
before it's implemented than after and
by the way this shot's position is when
I spoke with them is that they're
willing to tolerate a certain number to
be talked about now they talk about 1800
they're talking about a different number
that's what a compromise was where
certain amount would be and the rest
wouldn't be what number it is if you
don't want to go to the Army there's no
there's there's no such thing that
takeing you without your will there's no
such thing and that's what a draft is
about even in this country we used to
have a draft
too in Poland should be in Hungary
should be the second world
first world war so it's always the
problem to
take to to the military I'm about myself
I have cousins over there afraid to be
drafted there's no such thing taken
without your will I don't I don't get it
appreciate your phone call thank you so
much we only room for one or two more
phone calls so a quick question or
comment go ahead please quick question
or
comment hold on okay if you're not there
let quick question or comment okay go
ahead please you
your
turn
hello okay and we'll take let's take one
more phone call okay you're on the air
quick question or comment you're on the
air yes
Queen I guess sort of weing layup I
trying to understand even though it
could be that the people find their but
if in this particular situation they
keep repeating again and again that they
have an interest in in in b not being
drafted so that's something that clearly
does not specifically app only to S so
what why do you keep repeating the idea
of being anti-israel forget about the
personal opinion but but the that's the
purpose of the specific rally is clearly
for for something which is not
anti-israel for anti-p specific thing
that they're trying to do well first of
all you heard your BR who member of the
Community member even the blot board
where he's basically said that let's
call it what it is so it's being
organized by that and by The Sovereign
community so while officially it's
regarding the draft but the agenda is
anti-israel that's for the real purpose
of making the rally to be against Israel
that's why it's being
done call he not familiar he wasn't at
the meeting he he go against 10 people
are telling you one thing you but you
yourself said or somebody said that the
slma Reby never had a rally against Isel
they had it was a purpose was something
attached to whether it was uh different
events no no no no there's nothing
attached to anything
again the purpose of this protest is to
protest the draft lit Fox are going to
be there Rivas are going to be there you
heard Buck from Lakewood are going to be
there different types of cedm are going
to be there please a little intellectual
honesty stop saying this is a a satma
anti-israel drift you make you're trying
to marginalize it and you're trying to
portray it as something that it's not
please that well that's my opinion but
you're saying differently and I'm
respect here's an email your opinion
about what why I'm doing something
listen you know what's going on hold on
but I read to you earlier in the program
it's settled that's being given out by
the S about attending to the rally which
shows what the agend is I read it too
early in theast to you I explain that t
going to slap the zus in the face loely
translated which is true I agree with
the settle but I also say that it's
against dri that settle doesn't count
that if a b is not here's an email
question if a b is not interested in
learning can he go to the
Army no
not no okay let's no no no no no way
three three reasons first of all you're
not allowed to assist the state of
Israel in any ways including fighting
against Wars because the existence of
the state of
Israel is against the second of all the
morality the Shas and so on is very bad
over there and third of all is so
combined all three together you're not
allowed to go to to serve in the Army
but this gentleman said he's not
learning and why can't he join where
they have a special division that's that
was his question because I spoke to many
members ofar they said please don't come
in because you wouldn't go out the same
way you came in as I explained
even they teach things they try to
inculate they try to change people
against their education against their
upbringing so here's an ear question
they were forc soldiers were forced to
listen to woman singing they were they
were trying to walk out that wasn't that
wasn't that wasn't that was by the way
that that had the problem the
difference wants to be for 2 minutes
from and not listen to a
woman is not 2 minutes from the from all
the time the 24/7 from I think so if
they're from all the time want to and
they want to leave uh the place where a
woman is sending thinking I'm sorry why
weren't they allowed okay
that's country that's the big deal for
the country if the book are here singing
a woman or not is this the country more
safer when the and you know what I I
agree with you that that they have to be
more sensitive I think that's something
to work on there that's
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something absolutely
absolutely
and so on and so on you think that this
Army the the professionally run Army the
problem is that it's a lack of
sensitivity to the Jewish Community
that's what you think it's sensitivity
they need send them sensitivity training
no no in that particular case there is a
certain sensitivity that should have
been inhered to and they didn't because
if somebody says for religious reasons I
object they should be exceeded
to but what motivated them to
what motivated a commander you know it
was a commander at that particular event
what motivated that you know I don't
know the answer to that question you're
assuming that it's not could be whatever
their reason is I don't know even if it
was it's something which has to be dealt
with and I think the rabbis of the H
yeshivas are dealing with that issue
here's an email question so let's close
down the Israeli Army have S and all
those who are against the defending
state of Israel and see how far it get
them if not for the Israeli Army no
Yeshiva would be able to
exist I want to answer that because
hold on let
me hold on let me finish the let me
finish the let me finish the question
let me I'll let you answer here let me
finish the question shman is allowed in
Williamsburg to defend the sov communi
why should Israel be any different from
protecting themselves from people out to
destroy
them all the same non when youcover all
an no matter what I want I want to
answer all these questions the first
question was asked to the K
benan he said if you were the commander
of the army would you arm them with guns
or B
this was his answer he
said there was a a guy who whose wagon
is driving in the snow and freezing it
breaks down and he's stuck in the snow
and his fingers are getting Frost bit
now apparently the prevention for
frostbite you stick your hands in the
snow and I guess like an igloo it
insulates he sticks his hands in the
snow and it protects him from frostbite
so he turns up to Hashem and he says
thank you Hashem I'm so glad it's winter
cuz if it wasn't winter I wouldn't have
snow to protect myself from frost bites
the moral of the story The ntial is if
it wasn't for Israel we wouldn't need
the protection thank got it you can have
you can demonstrate in America because
it's the strong state of Israel by the
way that's why it gives you the
affordability to do so no I don't
believe that we were able to demonstrate
we were able to demonstrate America
without a strong state of Israel that's
your opinion that's a opinion that's
fine fine okay let's take some more
phone calls we almost out of time we
were going to present another seg we're
going to try to let's go to Brooklyn and
your question go ahead I believe M and
Brooklyn your
question
good your
question
okay on the line yes you
are yes your answer your question if now
we're going to move
on why do you say without the Army will
not be in Israel that's not what I said
what I said I said was without the state
of Israel we would have a harder time in
this country to hold our head high and
have demonstrations such as the one
that's taking place it's the fact that
there's a strong Israel that affords us
the opportunity here in this country
that we could raise our heads high and
we proudly could you explain that why
what what does it have to do with Israel
can you explain that please because
Israel is a Haven for the Jewish people
the fact that there's a strong Israel to
protect us no Z that's not true to
protect us I'm a Jew I'm an America tell
me that and you know what I think about
the state of Israel you're telling me
that the reason I hold my head high is
because of Israel the average Jew you
you may you may be a bad example that
because you have a different opinion
regarding this but the average Jew is
able to hold their head high in this
country because there a strong
Israel part of the problem that's part
of the problem that to a Zionist the
reason why they hold their head hard
Crow as a Jew is because of Israel for
me to me and the people who are going to
be there tomorrow I hold myself High my
head high as a Jew cuz I'm a
Jew that's part of the problem and
that's part of why the indoctrination in
the Army is a problematic it's not
indoctrination you get you can get it
without the Army by the
way because you know you can you can
look at it you going to disagree with me
but it's not I believe it's not the ass
of the G but we're the as the Russa
terim told me the other time so can I
can I ask you something Z where do you
know where the gor discusses do you know
what means you know what Rashi says on
it you just I'm challenging you I know
the answer you're just paring words
somebody told you you want to know
something we're living we're living in a
time when you have a l this gets a whole
different discussion but the very fact
that we have a strong state of Israel we
have a state we have a media we have
after 2,000 years that Jews God gave the
opportunity forw to go back
to what after 2,000 the problem is that
is okay number one there's absolutely no
basis for that that's just Zionist
fantasies but but mean
z there is a fact that there is do the
opposite yes I not only do I disagree
but after 2,000 years or could be 3,000
years it makes no difference we're still
in gois and we're obligated to remain in
goas the state of Israel does not negate
that on the contrary it makes it worse
but you were the one that said before
that you don't want theological
discussion so we're not going to get
uhhuh go ahead okay so let's take some
more phone calls from people and let's
see who they have we have like literally
2 minutes because the show is coming to
an end your question far yes your
question
faras yeah you put me in the home go go
ahead you I put your home so you can
answer your question what's your
question
quickly my question why is he so again
s I'm not against sakur I said at the
onset and I'll say it again I like both
groups of sakur I have friends in both
RAR ins side of Zan laes and they do
tremendous amount of good work and have
tremendous respect on this particular
issue regarding the state of Israel a
rally for I'm in a different position I
disagree with with that position but if
you notice that you disagree
with everything has
to wouldn't be resisting that stuff if
it wouldn't be fit there wouldn't be
what it wouldn't wouldn't be resisting
this stuff at all well if the there
wouldn't be a state that you would have
a rally against it right no it's not so
sure because it's be whole different
all of
them anyway we're out of time so let me
just thank Our Guest because U you okay
thank you for your phone call R I would
like to make a conclusion that the buses
will be leaving from Williamsburg Bar
Park mon Monro Lakewood Flatbush M Kisco
New square and there's going to be
posters in each Community uh about the
schedule of the buses please come out
and droves participate and let our voice
be heard and United voice that the
entire American Jury is against the
entire American Jury is not opposed to
to to to what the take the draft that's
taking place right you talking about
first orthodo to Reg jury and then
even tomorrow everybody will be there
and come out strongly and let our voice
be heard anyer editor of the blak
spokesman for the central princial
Congress organized at the rally we
appreciate you being here with us and
I'm sure we'll continue our
discussion you very much you good thank
you we hope you enjoyed tonight's
broadcast this