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Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb on Richard Dawkins' Master Argument
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Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb destroys Richard Dawkins' Master Argument.
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this chapter has contained the central
argument of the book and so at the risk
of sounding repetitive let's summarize
it as a series of six numbered
points
one one of the greatest challenges to
the human intellect over the centuries
has been to explain how the complex
improbable appearance of design in the
universe
arises
two the natural temptation is to
attribute the appearance of design to
actual design itself in the case of a
man-made artifact such as a watch the
designer really was an intelligent
engineer it is tempting to apply the
same logic to an eye or a wing a spider
or a
person
three the Temptation is a false one
because the designer hypothesis
immediately raises the larger problem
of who designed the
designer the whole problem we started
out with was the problem of explaining
statistical
improbability it is obviously no
solution to postulate something even
more improbable we need a crane not a
Skyhook for only a crane can do the
business of working up gradually and
plausibly from Simplicity to otherwise
improbable
complexity
four the most genius and Powerful crane
so far discovered is darwinian evolution
by natural
selection Darwin and his successors have
shown how living creatures with their
spectacular statistical improbability
and appearance of design have evolved by
slow gradual degrees from simple
Beginnings we can now safely say that
the illusion of design in living
creatures is just that an
illusion five we don't yet have an
equivalent crane for physics some kind
of Multiverse Theory could in principle
do for physics the same explanatory work
as Darwinism does for
biology this kind of explanation is
superficially less satisfying than the
biological verion of Darwinism because
it makes heavier demands on luck but the
anthropic principle entitles us to
postulate far more luck than our limited
human intuition is comfortable
with six we should not give up hope of a
better crane arising in physics
something as powerful as Darwinism is
for biology but even in the absence of a
strongly satisfying crane to match the
biological one the relatively weak
cranes we have at present are when
abetted by the anthropic principle
self-evidently better than the
self-defeating Skyhook hypothesis of an
intelligent
designer if the argument of this chapter
is accepted the factual premise of
religion the the god hypothesis is
untenable God almost certainly does not
exist let's say Richard
Dawkins Richard
Dawkins wrote a book against religion
and he has in it what he calls his
master argument the master argument this
is an argument which covers the whole
ground and it goes like this there are
complex things in the world things that
look designed this he said in his
earliest books and his carried ear few
people take it from him the business of
Evolutions to explain the appearance of
design appearance of design things do
look designed but their claim is they
can explain how they exist without they
really being designed fine that's the
bulky now he
says perod of design usually involves
complexity things that are very simple
don't look designed only things that
have certain complexity interacting
Cooperative kind of complexity look
designed he says but look how are you
going going to explain design by
invoking a designer you're going to say
the appearance of design is produced by
a
designer but then the designer will have
to be at least as
complex as the thing you're trying to
explain the designer would have to have
I mean he doesn't say all of this he
just says that as if it were obvious to
every
seven-year-old think of the designer
designing it presumably he have to have
a picture in his mind of the whole thing
how it works what it's supposed to do
that means in his mind is the whole
complexity of the thing plus more more
natural resources and how to do it and
energy and who knows what else so if
you're going to explain the existence of
a complex thing on the grounds that
there's a designer you're going to be
stuck with a designer who's at least as
complex maybe more complex then you'll
have to repeat it again who designed the
designer oh well then you're going to
need an even more complex designer so if
you keep pushing this you're going to
end up with an infinite regress and you
end up
nowhere therefore he says it's always
wrong to explain complexity by appealing
to a
designer just a wrong
move I'm not going to spend the rest of
the evening on all of what's wrong with
that though we could but as a
philosopher this isn't
biology this isn't plate tectonics
what he's talking about this is how
explanations work what explanations do
how they function that's plain
philosophy philosoph been talking about
that for thousands of
years so he stepped out of his
expertise well philosophers have
answered him I mean they do so with a
Snicker because it's so it's so silly
and childish but they answer him as as
follows number one you're really telling
me that in invoking design never works
it never works it's never
reasonable so if we're doing
archaeology and we
find cave paintings which they tell you
are 30,000 years
old beautiful and they are beautiful I
don't know if you've seen them and you
you can look at them on the Internet
they are enchantingly beautiful it's
wrong to say they were painted by an
intelligent designer that's
wrong cuz then you'll have to ask who
designed the designer to be back on an
infinite of course it's not wrong of
course they were painted by intelligent
beings nothing but intelligent beings
makes representative art of that
kind wasn't
dripping uh residu from from from rocks
or acids that created pictures of those
animals it's
ridiculous can't always be wrong what
about the search for extraterrestrial
intelligence started by Carl seon that
Paradigm of atheism you're looking for
things in the universe that indicate
there are other
intelligent life forms so for example
you get coded the decimal expansion of
pi to the first million
places everybody agrees that if you
found that coming in from a Galaxy that
would be knock down proof that there
must be other must be intelligent life
in that Galaxy nothing in
the um purely mechanical physical World
produces the decimal expansion of
Pi but how why why is that you're
telling me I have these radio waves
coming in these radios have a certain
structure and I'm inferring that they're
produced by an intelligent designer is
dawkings telling me I can't do that
that's wrong to do that everybody agrees
that that's
correct so the idea that you can't
describe you can't explain complexity
complexity in organization by
intelligent design is just dumb of
course you can of course we do and of
course we should
do will that leave over a question as to
the identity of the designer and where
he came from okay it will okay but so
what the first step in explaining where
this came from is definitely appropriate
step that's Point number
one point number two you don't
always when you have a cause for
something you don't always ask for a
cause for the cause you don't always ask
for an explanation of the explanation
you don't always do that classical
theology is based on the following
idea there's a table in this room I can
ask why is there a table in the room
because I can tell you what the
alternative is the alternative is that
there wouldn't be a table in the room
and that's perfectly possible I I know
there are two possibilities table in the
room or no table in the room and I want
to know why one is right the other one's
wrong when you ask why is something the
way it is you are required to State
another way in which it could have been
and then what you're saying at least is
why is it this way rather than that
way suppose someone says why is q and
you ask him why is
Q how else could it be what alternative
are you imagining that it should be and
he says oh I don't know I'm just asking
why is it Q then we have a right to
respond then you're not asking a
question the why question is always what
they call a contrastive question it's
why is this rather than that if there
isn't any other alternative then why is
it the way it is doesn't have any
purchase doesn't have any any content
why is 2+ 2 4 well what else would you
have it be five 3 27 I mean like what
are you offering as an
alternative if something is the way it
is of necessity then it is the way it is
because of itself not because of
something else it's only when you're
asking why is q and somebody says q and
not what oh why is it Q not R oh okay
it's q and not R presumably there's
something that made it that way didn't
get that way all by itself but if you if
you ask why it's q and the response is
but Q's got to be that way there's no
other way that it could be then there's
no pressure to ask
for what made it that way or why is it
that way because there's no other way it
could be okay now how does religion
regard God
does religion regard God as an accident
does religion regard God as something
which might have been and might not have
been they could yes be a God or not be a
God and then say well okay there is a
God but there might not have been a God
so what is it that made it that there is
a God religion doesn't have that
position religion position is that God's
existence is necessary there isn't any
alternative so there's no pressure
whatsoever to ask where did God come
from my mind says this in the guide and
everybody else before him and after him
agrees to this now maybe Dawkins doesn't
like that maybe Dawkin doesn't like the
idea that something's existence could be
necessary then fight with that let's
hear your arguments against that but he
doesn't do that he simply says if there
is a designer you're going to have to
ask who made the designer well excuse me
according to the religious position
which he's fighting with he's trying to
show why religion is wrong according to
religion position when you come to God
there isn't any alternative there isn't
any alternative then the question why
doesn't the
it's the second problem in his
argument third problem his argument is
this he says that if you have a complex
thing that's that exists and you invoke
a designer to explain where it came from
designer will have to be at least as
complex as the thing that's designed
what kind of designers do you have in
mind
Richard physical designers designers
that are part of our physical universe
that store information the way we store
information other things store
information maybe you're right there but
that's not the way traditional religions
think about God Trad religion think
about God is ultimately
simple God does have any structure
internal parts
organization God is ultimately
simple and yes complexity comes out of a
source that's ultimately
simple now maybe you don't like that
maybe you think that it's somehow in
principle even including God complex
things can't come out of simple sources
well then argue that argue that let's
hear your Arguments for that that he
doesn't present any arguments at all
this master argument that he presents is
just the the most obvious na when it
comes to philosophy and it's an argument
in philosophy and it is absolutely
worthless