Brenner part 2

hashley and Brooklyn you have a question for our guest go ahead hashley and Brooklyn good everybody great guest I wanted to say that how come they don't draft the Arabs you know they talking about fair treatment they don't draft the Arabs but yet they trust the Arab being the caness as well as the Supreme Court and there's that one kab Jew who's a judge in the Supreme Court why is that first of all there's some Arabs that there's certain Arab certain Arabs that do serve in the Army and there's talking about also more National service and we didn't talk about the the gist of what the debate is in Israel is not just drafting the Army it's also talk about national service and that's something which um is part of the debate in Israel no they're cutting the families yet they won't cut the ARs that they're afraid to cut they give the god they give them $100 million do they give them all that money but the poor little from he he has to suffer he has to suffer well listen this issue has not been adjudicated it's going through the procedures right now so in a way this is premature because we don't know how it's all going to turn out at the end because there's still a lot of discussion back and forth they're debating it has not been finalized in law I want to tell Shapiro what he has to do is tell the Israeli government that half of3 billion dollar that come from America should go to the see this because we order that Jews votes for the politicians that support Israel the second all for Obama but we religious Jews we on that the reason Israel get $3 billion a year half of it belongs to the Yas there's no question there's no question about it um Israel countries that for themselves Israel lives off American money they they don't want that theim should be schoras they're the biggest schnor country in the entire world they wouldn't survive 3 weeks without the United States of America money no you're right 100% it's like unbelievable so anyway thank you for your call we're going to move on let's go to Lake with New Jersey I believe we have Westgate uh New Jersey you have a question for our guest go ahead please go ahead please you're on the air yeah um yeah I just wanted to I'm I'm B learning in um DMG okay so you you ke keep mentioning that lakewood's not going to the to the rally against the draft but I just want to say that's not not true at all me and and my friends are going and we're not going because we're against Israel I'm definitely not against Israel my sister's going to Birthright this summer The only reason we're going is because of the I know that if I was in Israel a learning in Israel and I would be forced to go to the Army I would not want to have to go so to show our support to these B that they shouldn't have to go we're going to show up there's buses being going from Lakewood I know a lot a lot of people from Lakewood are going to the rally against the draft because we don't want the bu to have to be drafted we need we need their learning and uh that's the whole reason we're going I know it's being organized by S is not true so forget about you're 100% right listen re shapir you know what you and by the way is by the way the buses from Lakewood will be leaving between 2: and 2:30 Forest Corner North Lake Drive is going to be $15 a round trip so please the bo from Lakewood come and bring your friends as more as as possible now by the way in Lake are they is it is Risha saying to go or not to go what are they saying Riva the Riva is in Mexico right now so he's not coming but he didn't say we shouldn't go he said everyone should do what they would like whatever he said he has his reason I can't question my rby but he said everyone could do what they like I personally asked him if I could go he said you could do what you like I'm definitely not telling you not to go that's all he said now that means that you can go if you feel that you want to go because I have a a cousin who's one of who will be drafted if this goes into effect and I don't want that to happen so that's why I'm going and hundreds of my friends I know hundreds literally hundreds are going to be coming some of them from BMG some of them from many of other and because you have to show your support to the B they're like us that's the whole re we're going okay I appreciate you Fone thank you here's an email question ask your guest if he advocates for the Ked Community to urge the United States government to cut foreign aid for Israel if they implement the draft I'm sorry I have not thought about that question in the slightest okay and what about you shil and we're thinking some other measures to take one of them to have a meeting with the Le leading rabbis ronam to call a boycott on Israeli products if God forbid the legislation goes through and they're going to going to try to draft enforce our B toas we're going to talk to the rabbis we're going to discuss it they're going they're going to discuss it and it's a possibility it's a possibility that if they're going to put our in jail by refusing to be drafted in the Army a boycot could be called out on the entire on all Israeli products second of all it's a possibility it belongs for the to discuss we could call for a a band to travel to Israel for one year or two years till they're going to retract their plan but nothing is is sure it's something it's a possibility so we can not we we will not sit still we're going to do everything in our capability to help out our brothers in Israel they shouldn't be drafted in the Israeli Army you're listening to the talk line over WMC CA 570 a.m. wjpr 1640 a.m. in Highland Park in Edison New Jersey online talk line communications.com and our 24-hour day listen line 21241 94213 extension number one okay let's go a Leia in bar Leia been very patiently waiting Leia and BP your question for our guest go ahead Le and BP hello yes go ahead you have a question I'm sorry go ahead you have a question for our guest yes you have the wrong name that's okay um it's this frankly this is very embarrassing for those people that are speaking out especially you two guests I can help believe some of the things that are saying firstly the fact is Israel could survive without the $3 billion that's a known fact and it's been a known fact for the past 20 years the economy is doing very well uh and frankly the more he shouts the more he talks loudly doesn't necessarily make him right secondly there is not one American politician that would say that we should stop giving Israeli Aid if this thing went through I can't think of any politician especially in the that would say you know what we're not going to give Israel 2 billion or 3 billion and thirdly the reason why they're giving the money $3 billion most of it goes directly into military uh uh product and Military uh service and the fact is that if a lot of it went to Yesa bam then Israel Israeli military uh Power would would diminish in Israel and frankly I I had to laugh when your guest was arguing with you Z Brer about whether you own a store in bar park or not and that was one hood of an argument maybe you got an email about it yes I mean that was the most ridiculous argument and it makes us much sense and he's he's right about that in the same way that he's right about all the other things he said I mean and frankly there is president for buckram going to the front lines year thousands of years hundreds of years ago buam going to the front lines and learning with the soldiers when they didn't want to fight or didn't want to join the military so I would ask your guest if he would allow Yesa B going to the front to learn with their military comrades not to fight but to learn on the front lines without that be okay with him anybody want to tackle that what purpose what what purpose would that serve what purpose would that serve there would be serving and at the same time there would be learning on the front lines Why it would not be affected morally learning on the front lines serves I'm not learning on the front lines there would be would phys but the for the people in the military it was done years ago okay it was done years ago in in in the CL Army in certain areas was done so I'm asking you if it's for physic for the soldiers you complain about the morality you complain about the mor of the soldiers and the morality of what is going on in the military he excuse me I'm not trying to understand why was this done they took a guy with a gamarra and just put him on the front lines with no know nothing would you want first of all it wasn't lot many people did not know necessarily not know nothing there are many people in the military that are big L what are you talking about I have cousins in the military they've know how to learn as well as anyone in yba what are you talking about and secondly how to work go ahead okay you now you can respond cuz you finished what he had to say now you can respond I'm not sure I understand the question what you're asking is would we take guys with goras and just take them out of Bas put them on the front line not give them a gun that's not your question just let them sit and learn in a dangerous place in the front line for why they would be learning with the comates in arms they would be learning with with soldiers when there was no fighting or there was being on guard Duty or whatever it was whatever they were cross you want them not to learn you want them to go into the army no our guys are not going into the army so in other words if you have a nephew who knows how to learn he's on the front line probably he has a friend also that knows how to learn so why don't they learn each together why do you need to pull out somebody from Thea to go to the front line or or your nephew just the only one who knows how to learn because there are certain people that don't learn as much at the front line these people would be a it was very hundreds of years ago these people would be AIC to those people that don't learn those people that do learn a little bit and those people that learn a lot these people would be AIC and also their mind would be on the learning and at times whether it was a brief break whether it was in war or not in war these people would be learning you know as well as I do that in the Israeli Army there are people learning whether they're on duty or off duty the are times that they learn so even even so even when there is no fighting or even when there is fight fighting there have been many people that have gone with goras they have gone with the K they have gone with their M and they have learned on the front line so I'm asking you could they do what they did years ago they this this president for this in CLA Ro they did this years ago that to those people that were anyway anyway you made your point on that you made your point we're going to move on we have a lot than you raise a good point let's go to and BP very patiently wait waiting lay and BP your question or comment go ahead lay in B Park yes with all due respect to you de I listen to you many times and I call you many times usually you call a guest and you let him speak on the topic Pro against whatever whatever side or to guest and you let the people call up and say they're for what he's saying or against what he's saying here you seem to be putting every time it comes to Israel you seem to be putting your own personal thing I know you're a Zionist and you have every right to be whatever you want to be but are you you and I wanted to ask you something else are you against or for drafting a Yesa B into the army well first of all going the fact that you're able to call in and we invited our guests on the program we have all different perspectives on the air was a little com right andab Shapiro is being a little combative tonight and I'm being combative in respon all respect we have comasa that a lot hold on one at a time let let Leia speak go ahead Leia yes we have a comasa that announces the news is for people that maybe don't listen to the radio or don't have internet or whatever it is and people call up it said that buzs and bells and closenberg and sth and this one and that so you stop sidetracking him is this bub of coming is the other bub of coming is that s do you think they're going to speak after this is not a topic about if the two satas are going to speak if the two bubbles are going to sit next to each other if the two clothing works are going to look at each other this is a matter of drafting our yiva boys that's the whole KY of of while is is the Yesa boys learning in a Yesa are you for it or against it why can't you answer that question listen they're right now they're in the and I actually been in the Israeli Army I've giv out and I've come across in the army that serve there and you want to know something if those buffam want to serve they should be allowed to I believe that there's going to be some compromise that's going to happen at the end of the day I don't know what the numbers are going asking you about a compromise I'm asking you are you for taking boys voice voice voice into the army yes or no I think that a certain percentage of them should serve in the Army has to be worked at how when I met with the head of Shas by the way he agreed that there should be a certain amount of Ki boys in the Army the number to be determined well whoever agrees that they should be there let them go and whoever doesn't want to go and they're sitting and learning there now let me your question would be so bad that agre to go go and by the way I don't think that it's wrong to have if a buck is 22 23 which is part of the process if they want to do some sort of national service helping out in the communities what's so bad if they help out in their communities I want to tell you something if you're talking about satma all night were both saas this satma three SAS two saas or whatever it is I want to tell you something just looking at S I hear that the S people do not take money from the government so if anybody could say anything at any time they should be able to say anything because they're not taking any of the help from the government not for the aias not for the girls girl schools anything so really you cannot demand for them to be drafted before you take everybody else who's taking money from them so and and and second of all I just wanted to say that K Vasa just reported I was listening to kovas and they said BS and Bub and satma and closenberg and a whole bunch of other all are endorsing the thing and this is not just uh he just doesn't say his own uh thoughts or meaning like you're taking phone call say oh somebody said brother's not coming then oh I got an email something's not coming this one's not coming that one's not coming they just said a whole bunch of places that are coming no question whole bunch are coming and by the way sber from the very beginning Botha we said at the beginning of the program that they both coming you were trying to sidestep everything say are the re going to talk to each other this has that's a legitimate question this has to do with their getting together about something that's very important that they're both against it has nothing to do you will admit though that as far as the draft is concern ratings sounds very but you know but that's part of the process because it took the state of Israel to get them together on this particular issue you know what so every every beard thing sometimes has something right brought them together rash can brought them together so please stop with this argument but the state of Israel certainly brought them together in this particular issue are together point out full statements you're being combative and you're being you aren't being combative tonight said we already told you that this is not the first time they got together why are you insisting it is I didn't say the first time right now I said to this the state the fact is Israel that is full the fact is that is the state that today's rally you're going have both them participating because of the fact that together how often they get together you gave me two examples which no no you said the state of Israel of Israel to get them together that is not true and we told you it's not true but it's not theate of Israel it's made blueberg and it's the health department of the New York City okay let's take some more phone calls I believe mosha from Bor park has been very patiently waiting mosa is is that you mtion BP hold on I think it's a MOA in borrow Park so let's see if it's mosa go ahead your question or comment go ahead please oh yes good evening told my son a little bit but my question to to RAB shapir and RAB weer if the state of Israel decides tonight that they will not dress boys from s or people that don't take money from the government they are ex they do not have to join the army people that don't take money don't have to go into the army well they call off the protest no no the protest is not against drafting s people it's drafting any sha guys you want show them that hey the re was right deliver was right and that's what the pro is about to show that was right agree to that not about you know that will never be in the Army and the Israeli govern doesn't even want something in the Army there will be a compromise if it's about money the Argan tell every at the end of the day people who don't take money from the government will not have to go to the Army that's what it's all about they want to get they that's what it's they don't want you know that you didn't listen to what he said about the bris if you would be listening to him they're going to try to demoralize each and every K Jew s bels po Square non difference how are they going to try to demoralize them by pulling you into the army I I spoke to from that his brother was in he said the language there the atmosphere everything it's like a a a secular dis disc I mean even you have a she in the morning maybe one or two people a learning it's a it's very very bad for to go there even in the soal yeah I'd like to answer by the way I met some people from n they've been very proud and very successful n Go ahead RAB shapir thef put out a magazine issue of B you and the ID then you know it's a monthly magazine they put out they made a special series for the K uh soldiers if you take a look in that magazine it's yes the language to be bad and so on and so forth but there's something worse they they inculcate the soldiers with the ideas that uh uh uh nationalism is what's going to save the Jewish people that the state of Israel not the not the the state of Israel is what makes us strong and a strong Army is what a strong Israeli Army is what uh brother sh you know where do you know this from because have you been in the Israeli Army have you been to the bases okay I've been to the Bas and I can tell you there's a lot of religious soldiers in the bay there's a lot of learning going on there there's a lot of that doesn't diminish the accuracy no because doesn't it proves what you're saying is not correct I'm not saying I didn't say nobody says now if a guy goes to the Army he's guaranteed not to put on killing again not at all I have three guys who I know who I spoke to today former Israeli Army members and they're all from I'm not saying that I'm saying the hash that they teach that they inculcate people with in the Israeli Army are against what these boys have learned all their life where do you get that from because I spoken to a lot of the h isues and a lot of people in the Army and they're going to tell you something completely different that they're living no no no I agree with you you're tell me no the Israeli listen Z the Israeli Army hash that they teach match perfectly with the heas not with the that's the problem I agree with you and that's why you havei which is a separate unit in the Army which I've met some of them too no but even in that separate unit again read their magazine the Cobra has two guys and it says answer the call of the flag read the magazine and you'll see what they're inculcating themselves with that people it changes their their state of mind change the state of mind to do what how does it change the state of mind to do what do not to to their values what what guarantees the continued existence of cloud you what role the state of Israel in the IDE of play in in in Krone the history of the Jewish people they're being taught one thing and the army they teach them something completely different and what are they teaching them in the army that that you have to have a belief in an army that you have to serve in the Army what are they teaching them they're teaching them that the state of Israel a strong state of Israel and a strong Israeli Army is what guarantees the future existence of the Jewish people and that our strength our strength is what uh wins Wars for us or I'll give you an example of what they and even when they speak about God give you an example of what one of their generals have said it said yes the Lord can even save can save even a few but these few need strong arms and legs and must use all their might to climb a crawl to get their target they right you need you have to by the way even if okay you need you need you need the wherewith thought to do it you can't just rely if you're going to fight an enemy you have to K you have to Dove and and shoot a gun the wherewith is not a shst with God that's wrong that's not you you could believe that I don't know what I don't know what the're WR I you're picking on your one you're telling me about an email you're picking one writer for a magazine that represented twisting around you want just give me a number how many how many examples do you want of such things where where where the leaders of Israel have uh portrayed their own role in Jewish history and their Army's role in the survival of the Jewish people or even their states role true or false didn't Netanyahu say recently that he's only going to make peace with the Arabs what if they recognize that Israel is the nation states of the Jewish people that's right Israel so what's wrong with that but but I'll tell you why because Jews do not have a nation state we are a religion not but we currently have a state we currently have a state a nation state no a nation state is what makes the nation a nation without Italy there will be no Italian without France there'll be no French the nation state means without Israel there's no Jewish Nation that's not what he said n that's not what Neto said you're taking out of cond but I don't want to no it's not true Israel is not the nation state of the Jewish people that's look Google it nation state that's what is has a respect for T and Judy in fact I believe his son won Theon tanak if I'm not mistaken but let's take that's part of the problem they they they part of the Zionist philosophy and again give me any number and I'll give you any number of examples of where this where they have said this themselves they they believe that in Gus the Jewish people um became broken they became the goess Jew they are bringing them back to age of tanak where was a was a fighter was Conan the Barbarian and SCH was T the Apes and the rabbis in in in the days of the talmud after the Baka Rebellion which by the way they tell the kids that celebrates the Baka Victory serious in all the public schools in Israel and in the army that after the Bak Victory Jud Jewish people went out of history and they became broken they became so Jewish and they bring they now finally have a state and we're bringing back Judaism or the jewishness rather to where it was where it belongs T because without you know we're getting Sid stepped and and and again you're bringing up what is the hold I me we can argue we can argue about I don't you want to get into theological discussion we'll get into theological discussion but I want to reasons of why we're against the draft you're against the draft because you're anti-israel you're anti the state you're anti St of isra want to bring in to show them that they're like now here's an email question both slma Rees were in the room concerning the Matia B they not even shake hands nor acknowledge each other in fact there are several Court proceedings between the two going on so this is a force it's just a show and tell to attract people to attend the rally this what an email so I want to respond to the email go ahead go ahead sh yes there is different es and things are being worked out we hope we hope soon to be hearing some good news because both sides are sitting together and they're going to come out hopefully with a solution and things is going to be much better and better now um is the one who brought together both s rabbit on the one roof now whatever they're doing are not doing I'm not saying they shook hands or didn't shake hands and I'm not saying they're going to shake hands tomorrow tomorrow we're going to see a couple of 100 dignitaries allas from all congregations Yesa I mean not all but from many many congregations and yeshivas and they going to come out in force to protest the plan to draft our B into theas here's another the question you said before about if the draft does take place about what should be the response here they want to know if um would would you also hook up with the folks in America that are anti- divestment and what about her product would that be boycotting Israel that's an email question coming in as well um I'm not ashamed to answer you I don't know what is anti anti-d what is that there's a group in the United States of people who are that want to the vest they want to buy any Israeli products they want America and different countries to devest from buying products from the land of Israel so that's what the going to be done by the rabbis going to be this the the solution probably it wouldn't probably wouldn't go together with them it's going to be a separate a separate band but it's up to the rabbis and whatever they're going to tell us we're going to listen and basically speaking that you were you would be boycotting you'd be looking if the rabis say you can foresee being a boycott is what you said before correct okay we are taking your phone of our final when we come back we're looking at a rally an anti-israel rally that's scheduled for later today our guest is rabbi yako