Shavuos – similarities and differences to other Yomim Tovim in regards to the second day

Please pay sukus also 30 days before to start learning something. The question really is is what's brings others say that is not going on used to utilize the 30 days before to learn. And today's shashem will speak about a that's relevant in particular to sh and also in general of it's kadai to first put a few facts down to be able to go into the nois everybody. Everybody agrees that Yasus Mitz was on a Thursday. Undisputable. Everybody agrees that Martin Tyra was on a shabas. And therefore, since Mat was Thursday, Ma was on a shabas 49 days later. So if you make the it's 51 days between when they went out, it's 51 days. That's a given. However, these and the day of Shabas, what day on the calendar was it? Was it Viva or was it Ziva? But what day in the week it was Shabas? And how many days from Pes it was 51 days? The Shil was just in the calendar. What day was Shabas? Was it a calendar of was it V or Z? But it was for sure Shabas. It was for sure day 51. Just to put things in perspective what we do by us is the 50th day. We count 49 days from the second day 50th day and it's the day that falls out is well how does it come out always since we have the set calendar that Nissan is 30 days and is aer is 29 days. So if you count the days from the second day of PH which is the 49 days the 50th day is it's always going to be but says the Gar and the days which both months could have been Malle if both months would be mole. So then it comes out that is behem says pom pom could be because if both months are so it comes out to be that is already if it's a mole and like what we have it's going to be and if both are you're already another day into it's so just to sum it up it was day number 51 one was Shabas which was the day of it was basically if it was but that's what it was in later on it depended when when like the Gar says could fall out on it could fall out on it fall on Zion it's good for your speeches from the last few weeks about what the utility of spir is maybe you needed to actually count when you don't know what day of the month it is it's 50 days from when you started counting. Oh, very good. And that's really the punchline of the whole Shir that shus is going to be based on 49 days 50 days later and we'll get to the shila but that's that's the punch line but the fact no very good the fact is that is 50 days later but it depends of Malia what day it's going to fall out on the calendar. Hey V or Z asks the reash I understand if sh falls out on v that's very good that's was that's I also understand if it's falls out on Zion also I understand why it's we make on Zion because holds that was Bian so I understand why we can have on VV or on Zion I also understand in governing we say because that's how we got the at least but asks hey was not but we did not get to h so if we didn't get to what's how could we have which is the yumpt of how could we have we never got to hoola So the reash answers that you write that hey tak is not the day of kabal satyra. However since then was 40 50 days 51 days later. So for us also we count 49 days and the day number 50 is when shu is. So even though hey is not the day of kabala it doesn't bother me because is based on day number 50 which would come out technically in ding. You wouldn't say mountain it's not mira 50 or 51. We're going to get to that in a minute. For us it's day number 50. So you don't you don't say because it's not the day that we got to but it's at least 50 days later and that's when says you can even say because 50 days after after therefore you could even say mira says the way how we could say matra is because we don't say yo mat We say so the whole area those whole few days those whole few days are are so even though when the gar says pal falls out on hay which is really not the actual day we got to but it's in the area it's of that actually says iter says it a little more I first said which is later but to bring out that says even more than just that matra says that matra literally lasted three days not the actual getting of the tray but the mira was for three days the first day was nas of the second day was the day of mra that was designated from that thera should be and then the the next day at least like the was so says it was literally three days of mountainra Between all the tutsim we count 50 days from 49 days from the second day of Yam day number 50 is how do we it is mra it's not mira but day number 50 is is this mount of mra and that's what we have which for us falls out on van but it could really fall out h it could fall out 50 days after the second day of asks the other way around like asked that if for us it's day number 50 was day number 51. So he just answers that for us it works out because we have on others want to answer who it is the says that really was supposed to be on day number 50 but these are different parrots bring the I'm Sorry brings a biscum that says the mat was actually day number I'm sorry was 50 days after m not 51 days how because they went out of m actually on a Friday so it's only 50 days so to sum everything up this was just to try to get a little bit of the facts I'm going to sum it up because there's a lot of ideas flying around over is 50 days after the second day of PES. Day number 50 is it might not fall out to be on the actual day of matra. And we explained it's still called matra even if it's not matyra but is always going to be day number 50. I then was 51 maybe was only 50. It doesn't bother us. But this is even if you didn't get anything till now is 50 days after the second day of PES. 50 days later you count 49 days and the next day is it doesn't make a difference what day in the calendar it is. Therefore explains the brisker tora. When the pix says about the yumptive of the toyra says in par says what's any other it doesn't say what's literally this day in middle so he explains that by every other other is that if let's Adam come at the end of and say you made a month with those which means you weren't supposed to make it a kaser was really supposed to be a molly so it comes out even though we kept it was really supposed to be a day a different day right because it's molly and got moved back it moved up so the is we didn't do anything wrong we went based on what The Tory says to go with but it really comes out that there was no it comes out that the month was changed and it was either a molly or you could change it later. However, you could only change it up until the end of the month. So for Niss if Adam come any time throughout Niss the month of Niss you could change the month from Amal to. So what comes out Pesak sukus even though we kept it on tesv technically it could still be moved a day earlier a day later it's not guaranteed we have to do how we go with Adam but technically if Adam come at the end of the month of the end of the month of the end of the month of so it comes out that really pes was either a day earlier or a day later which that's fine However, shuis shivis says explains shuis is always 49 days later, 50 days later. So you had the whole niss to adjust if you wanted it a day earlier, a day later. But by the time Niss pass, you know for sure when the second day of shu pes is since you know for sure when the second day of pes is 49 days later the next day. So therefore as opposed to any other could be moved around even later could be pes should have been a day earlier a day later you didn't do okay with the right date then you got a problem right no you don't have a problem because we follow the tora says that we should go with Adam and if Adam said that it should be a molly and then it comes out it's you don't need adam for a molly but if let's say the said which means Adam said that was only 29 days. So it comes out was but then Adam come later at the end of Adam come and say those and therefore it's only a day later. So it comes outer should have been a day later. I don't know how it works with the but then we had that's the Rambam says it gets changed later based on what the change in a day off. But doesn't get changed. Yeah. It could be that it's a full y of then and only later it changes but that would cause m but that would cause major ramifications not just and anything else. Interesting point what you're saying if you got married on on it was it's then is wrong is wrong everything is done wrong that's major ramifications over there when you wrote a date was a right date then they changed it you want to know that it comes out that it's a interesting don't aren't they doing on their let's say come they could do it a day later if they want they have a choice they don't follow are just there to tell us when the moon is they could decide to make it a full month even if the moon's already there. That's very true that the Adam could decide the bezen could decide if they let's say they don't want your kipa to fall out a certain day on a on a Sunday like theor says they could play around but besides even before Adam cannot the bezdon cannot be mabble to Adam and therefore it's just going to by default be a molly I'm not sure if if the bezdon can make it aer without seeing the moon and even if they could even if they could even if they could over here The fact was is they took Adam and the Adam said it's aer and the wereas but the kish was separate from the No, they saying that why it shouldn't depend on the means even though they listen to the I hear but that's the says that you could change it. I hear I hear what you're asking. Coming at before before that before before tish starts you're saying one day or the other coming a month later or probably two weeks later it's going to mess everything up. That's a major that's a major issue. But only within the month I hear what you're saying about it could be problematic. I don't know how that works. Could be. We knew that when you wrote it on Gimmel Nissan, even though it got moved around, we know that that year was it got pushed off at the end of the month. So, you know, Gimmel Nissan ends up being Biss. It's like when it says Gimmel, it's like it says now B. So, what comes out from this whole discussion up until now? Lewis is always day number 50 and by the time even ear comes around. We know exactly everybody knows when Pesak was at some point everybody knew even within the month everybody knew when Pes was and therefore how the Briskov says there was never a mistake because it was always 49 days and then the next day was So this is the Shiloh. Now if we know for sure when is notes has nothing to do with Aiden with Bezdon. Why is there a second day of Pesus we understand for the people that lived far away and they didn't get any update even up until Pesak. It took so long to get to them. It took 25 days to get to them. So they didn't know when Pes was. So they kept it or but why is there why is there a second day? Everybody knew by the time came around or even into everybody knew what they p was and therefore 49 you count 49 days the 50th day is Yam. So why it's the people that lived far away from were not able to know when Yam was when the month was. Why do we keep a second day Yamiff as a Moshe? We'll get to that. But that's interesting. We'll get I'm going to mention it soon. But the question is then why everybody should we'll get to that momentarily. I want to first get the Yeah. The funny thing is though is that the Torah does not mention anywhere that the 50th day is matra. So the 50th day is you counted 49 days the 50th day brought but that no mention anywhere that the 50th day is matra. Yeah. So the fact that Moshe brought one extra day matra it is a whole separate Indian the day 50 is when he regardless what what else happened on that day. Yeah, you have a good point. You're saying that the Tyra doesn't make a mention about Matra and that's taker explains that of course was the day of mira we got to on however maybe later on be it's not but when you see that year on the of we got to but the says that since Gar in a few places. So we don't want that. It should be as if that's when we got the but two months later it's already something that we got two months ago. So therefore the Tory doesn't make a mention of Tyra because we get the Tyra every day. It's as if we get it every day, right? But but if Mosa added on one day we're going to get to shortly hopefully. So what's the shila? The shila is why do we have why do we have a suffic what day the is to have a second day. We know and if we know so then the second day there's no need for a second day. What say? Very good. Very good. But say that's very good. But president say oh I found out so I'll do one day that that year. Uh so I want to explain it but these two things you're saying it's really two separate roots the Gmorra and Rashashana says Gomorrah inf the garra says there were places that the the were able to get to in time for pes to tell them when pes is. So technically they knew P and you don't have to keep two days but they were not able to make it there for whe because it was already starting to get a little bit the winter harder to go. They weren't able to make it only for Pes and not forus. So those people have two days y of sukus not pes. It's interesting they know pes they know when it is but they don't know sukus. So what do they do? Sometimes they do for sukus they have two days and for pes. So the garumar says and pes if one of the they have to hold both days then the other as well the gar says that's br what's about technically nobody should keep two days yam. So from the garra itself we don't see yet a le plug. The garra just says that some people are going to keep sukus and pes two days. Some people are going to only keep sukus two days. So if you keep if you're a two-day person, you keep two days and the however says the you do both says the after he says and then the last four words the adds on that this plug is applicable even for for also even which is a cuz of technically nobody should keep two days. So there's not such a big light plug when you keep sukus not pes I'm sorry yeah you keep sukus two days y so there you could say plug you're a person that finds out for this not for that okay don't do both two days y but when it comes to when it comes to it should really be a y of one day y nobody should keep two days the say you say even for Therefore, since we keep it really, but it's a which means we know for sure that comes out to be this year on a Sunday. We know it for sure. Even with we know for sure it's going to be Sunday that so the second day that we keep would really be. It's not that we're unsure. We know when Yam is but it's a however it is a D light P to keep the second day Yam which would come out that the second day of has a just like Russ and there's a difference between the second day of Russ and between the second day of sukus and certain of a mace and also which the says you could be in many on a second day since it's already a sophicic however the second day rash even if come rashash in the afternoon we don't take the adam which means we keep the second day rash v so there's a difference between the two days of yam of the two days of y of of which is suffic and the two is of which is so therefore is also we know for sure what day is so when we keep the second day it's vad it's not suffic we're not sure what day y is it's vad it's the first day however we keep the second day of sh so what should come out it should come out that the second day y of shu this year which is Monday every year but the second day shu it should come out that it's And that's what writes in that the second day is the says towards the end of the chuva he says that the second is even more than the second he's discussing in regard to He was a sh about riding the get the get the second day second day sh. So the sh wrote that since it's a vi technically the whole second is really we shouldn't even be keeping. So he wanted to say that it's moream said no it's more you can't you can't give the get. So that's the the car asks on the and he says the whole second day of is all a plug from the second day of pes and the second day of of sukus you can't be more than them if the second day of sh is kept based on the second day of pes and sukus pesus is min suff which means it's more if pes and sukus is more k and you're learning from them should also have the same den as sukus and pes which means it should be safic nowadays it's now sik it's okay so I want to explain this shila based on what Alex is pointing out a good point you want to know if it's today is it suffic today we do a minigu we have no suffic on But we keep it anyways. We'll explain literally in a minute. So we have over here says that the second day is more because it has a and the carol says no it can't be more. It's like what? Yeah. It could be you could explain the and just to be of the and understand the car the says like Ali said if you're learning from sukus and pes here it's a sophet it's k here it has to be k as well but what does it mean it's the same as over there different so the what's is if the fact is that it's not a suffic if the second day is not a suffic it's what do you mean you say that pes you say has to also have a second day but the second day is is a we have no suffic on the second day so is just a minute what did the carol understand the carol understood that we learn it from sukus and pes and I'm sorry is a vi is a vi technically because we know but just like you we find Rambam explains that when we keep a second day now that's what you brought up Alex when we keep second day now even though we know for sure the first day that's the day but when gave us to keep the second day they gave the y of a suffic they gave it a suffic but it they were it as if it's a sophic Just like then when we didn't know we kept the second day was a safet now also it's a safet I'm not going to go into it now but in concept certain times you can make him a sophic and he discusses with the second day of being a sophic and he calls as well the second day which means that the question is when they were messing the second plug was the second day if it's a v says I understood that you can't make a second day when you know for sure make it a suffic so it's a vo you have to have a second day it's a v if it's a v it's more however the carol understood like we saw that they didn't suff to make it even though we know it's a v they made it a suffic So that's the first. The first is that the reason why we keep the second day even though we know it's a light plug from Pes. The reason why Samford was more clever on that side is because in his day he was trying to fight all the reforms trying to keep him up and he was trying not to to be more the Gomorrah speaks about being being a minish somebody that the second of a general you brought it up I think it's in look up where it is but has a whole he writes very stark about the second day y he has a whole he goes longly about it that it's something a mildl it's been have another terret and this is also what Elliot mentioned before and we're almost finishing another minute or two that the second day the reason why we keep the second day of even though it's a vi in the yumptive of pes that just passed imagine we kept pes because we weren't sure so we kept two days is a pes we by the time the end of comes around we found out when when pes is okay but if we're going to keep which shows as if we knew for now we know for sure when then was it's going to come out it's going to be mazel in the previous pes when we kept the suffic as well as even the next year pes like people are going to look you know when shuas came we only kept one day because we knew so pes also let one day and it's a vad That's how answers he says on the over not because of general but of the previous of PES one final ter which is brought in the and he says the following that the second day Yam has a lot of reason and mila. First of all, like we said holds that's the day that it's true in then we should always keep two days in one day. So we keep one day but in since we already keep two days of says the second day of is kept because the that's actually the day of mira the says in the that a person has to be very miser in the second day of well we have the second day of y of that is a day of mra the he says is he speaks about staying up the second night and he says which means every is this is kept vi I'm sorry not vin because of a day of mra so just to conclude what we spoke mra was 4950 days later we have 50 days later so the was if that's the case we have no suffic on is and the answer is we t don't have a suffic but a pal Lozel is a mile of the second day. That's why we keep the second day of even though there's no suffic and a good And for