Shavuos: Megillas Rus and the Enigma of the Permissibility of the Moavit

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com as we prepare for the antif of schwas we all know on the second day of Swiss we relaying magillas Roth one of the reasons is because Migos Rose talks about the lineage of governor who our traditionists who was born and passed away on chivalus I want to remind everyone what we learned in the past and for those who are listening to this year to gain the maximum from this year I refer you back to a share called the fluidity and exclusivity of the oral law that we learned uh once upon a time I just want to bring you right back into it the uh miguelas Rose we have we have uh boyaz offers the goyal the Redeemer named plenty of money to perform the midst of ibum on Russ whereupon the goyal responds no thank you I remember what does he say and number three he says I cannot redeem I'm not able to pen Ashley lest I destroy my inheritance which Rashi says inheritance refers to my children because he was concerned since Rose came from mayav there's a drasha and therefore this goyal was afraid that he'd be ruining his future Generations and we brought down the question of the briskarov the Grizz who asked and hams be number four even though that's how we're discussing today's share the brisco's question was the obvious question if he's worried that he may be destroying his children then he's not really hitting the nail on the head if he can't marry this woman he should say I don't want a redeem her because I can't marry her she is a it's her laugh to me she is a mayavia why is he only worried about the children why is he not worried about him himself and the briskarov drew our attention to the good morning vamos with a famous story where after milk goes out toward to attack golias shawl wants to know who is he is he from Perez is he from zorrock shall see signs of maluka and says before you ask whether he is Roy for malcols you should ask whether he's Roy to marry into mainstream Judaism and a big fight erupted Abner said what do you mean there's a drasha said oh yeah so then maybe we can marry manzaris and maybe could marry a mitzvous and it went back and forth and they didn't know what to do whereupon the gemara says they were about to disqualify develop until a man by the name of it says who exactly is Sir it says he was the son of avigayo Bass says who's this talking about The Knockouts is a reference to you shy who was such a Sadiq he never sinned the only reason he died is because of the snake bite because of the original curse of mankind that every human being has to die and yishai had a son David and he had a daughter avigayo not to be confused with David's wife avigayo who was first married to a different Man David had um Isha I had a daughter avigayo avigayo was married to yes sir yes sir had a son amosa who stands up to defend David yes sir okay and yes sir says says the briskarov what we see from this gemara is the following principle and that put the matter to arrest that that silence the matter you see from this gemara a rule that the random actually enunciates and we in Hillcrest and that is any time Abes then issues a ruling based on a drasha a later Destin could come along and say we Dash him differently what if they're not greater they don't have to be greater every whoever the person is at that time they have the authority and the right to disagree with any earlier Russia even if it was addressed of a navi even if it was addressed of a greater Authority if it's a matter of exegesis later Ben could argue however what yes are saying is this is not a drasha what is it and in fact we read the rambam the rambam could be found in Hillcrest issues is number eight where the ramam says in parekh you're at base and the permissibility of marrying the females is not at Russia it's what hello hello no later Authority could argue on it so therefore says the best grew up beautiful the Goya when he's offered the possibility of marrying this woman he said Look by us I trust you that you want a darshan and in this generation if I marry her I'll be doing the right thing but I'm afraid and rightfully so because of what happened that later courts will disagree with your decision and they're gonna Dash in layovers and they're gonna disqualify my children he wasn't worried about himself because he had the sack of voyage but he was worried about future Generations that's where we start today share okay this morning I was in a great dilemma what we should discuss um we had we were going to learn uh safer sakariah and but my mind was completely preoccupied with this idea foreign why because we did leave out a section yesterday and that's what I want to bring to your attention today and with that we begin take a look at number six [Applause] says this but it doesn't indicate Matthew doesn't say it's Allah Rashi says the word all right I'm not even I guess look at the thumb Cipher and this is the question I want to start with today remember we spoke after the gamara the gamara says that when yes sir stood up to say the gemara asks why are you believing yes sir after all don't we know there's a rule foreign so the gamara says [Applause] he's different why is he different because the Basin of shemal haramasi was around so we could have just checked with them did you say that this is and therefore since there was a certain accountability to this sack right since we're able to verify we don't have to but since we could rely on him because he knows we could always check it out beautiful question if the Gomorrah asks how could we trust yes sir when he issued a psych regarding the conscious of David then why don't we ask the same question on boys who you passing for you're passing for yourself is it absolutely three seconds later they get married so why don't we ask boyas how could we trust you about this plaque foreign [Music] okay we'll we'll see about that let's we'll see about that that might not be bad that's a that would also say yes sir yes they're only pasquan we can only accept biasa because we could have gone to schmuel shmuel's not around anymore this is a few Generations later and yeah I'll say yes yes so you could go to schmuel Boya Small's not around anymore no there's nobody we don't know yes sir yes there's not here no whoever there were people around you could have asked them around but doesn't say that uh that bias isn't even invoking what yes sir says that's a castle Cipher are you ready for this the only time we say don't trust when he says something when he's not Gaya that's if he says yeah that I could do this now what we're supposed to believe you it's relevant to you you're invested in it and you're telling us now what what should we do we're gonna go up to Hasina and check it Russia wait a second but there you do that is saying that he had a Joshua now we don't have any contradictions against that the only person only person who claims he had Allah is yes sir and yes sir Proclaim this few Generations later now excuse me this isn't a time of bayaz definitely small um maybe it could have been verified but when he's relevant to the issue that's only if he invokes Allah not if he invokes with Russia but what's confusing me is that the ra if the rambam knows that this is know this schmuel was around after bayaz so you would so they didn't forget it and what do you mean if he was saying if midrasha was biased mistaken I mean obviously play The Almighty thought it was a drasha and that's why he was worried about his children he was worried about it being overturned but boyaz didn't know and then some server says another answer some Surfer says if Boaz did know yeah he should have told me he should have told uh you have nothing to worry about are you right you worry about it otherwise he's real no gay of a dog okay because he would want Rose that's a valid horror why wouldn't he say what do you mean you worry about your children so I'm sorry gives another answer and he says there's something called Migo that Migo says once you believe the battle a will believe you about B also so some Surfer says that boyas is daddy's not no gay of a Dover he's not going he's not having any intention to marrying on minus and once he's believable minus we could believe in Mugabe moyavis also to which he asked well if that's the case then we could have said the same thing in the times of uh times of David also that why can't we trust yes sir once we believe in Mana minus we should believe him about my office as well rev um moving my goal list really my goals was a very interesting personality first of all really my goal is has dozens and dozens of some he was a Bucky and he never really had an official capacity as a rub or a receiver what did he do he was a librarian remember and he wrote the authoritative safer on Septa sanhajan margolius I am people think oh it goes yum hundreds of years ago it was when you know the past Century and he had the world's largest collection of good Island pictures there's only one picture he was missing he didn't have his own picture he's very interesting personality he never I don't think he ever had children and remember my goal this was a Bucky and Kabbalah and he wrote a safer how microwave which we have a machine number seven and he also talks about this idea that is [Music] was a very unclear throughout history it was always shrouded in mystery it was always questioned and he brings many examples throughout history first of all we learned challenged he says and Shoal fell for it that means Shoal did not know the Halal who only did one of era's whole life he was more than that um when he persuaded the people to move away from he declared meaning you Jewish people why you getting involved with this King David he has bad lineage you wouldn't let you would you let your daughter go out with someone the shotgun says I have a really great guy for you the only thing is the great grandmothers I don't know what happened in the field over there you know they don't like to talk about it [Music] and by the way the great great grandfather well Yahoo then Thomas before the time was given but you know they don't like to talk about that either and then they have this they Delight who lived with his two daughters but you know nobody nobody remembers that anymore don't be able to buy it right so but he brings up the fact she haven't brings out the fact that David ml's lineage is is Tainted when he breaks away from alka's based oven what does he say David he focuses he highlights the the more than that plenty of money and He suggests that the reason why this was not well known you can take a look in one two the fourth paragraph is because you could just imagine like who lives Israel you think they want Jewish men ah who needs to marry a nice Jewish girl we'll just go to Amanda may even convert them they make you know they make better Housewives they didn't want it to become widespread where Jews just go ahead and convert people from Amazon and marry them their communities today you could go to their Sparta communities that you cannot marry gay room right right there they have laws they have I don't know unstated or maybe even stated laws you can't you can't marry Gabriel they want to preserve the purity of their lineage but there's no answer to marry again yeah but so He suggests that perhaps of the doors did not want this halaka to be so well known and therefore it remains very hidden not even from the leaders but then he offers um similar to what Mr zulkin said I think it's the beginning of a rose the beginning of the parrot says one of the nicest trap in all the chop aloha boyas went up to the gate and he sat near tahine the plastic says whenever you see the word Hine means a surprise what does behold mean in English nobody ever says behold something unanticipated unanticipated like uh right what Leia that's not what I thought last night Hine means a surprise why is bayaz running to the gate the gate means the best then and he he got there and oh and then the Goyle is there why did he run there in the morning to get there before the Goya the answer is because he knew and ultimately he's going to be the one to marry Ross but if he waits to pass get on the issue when it becomes relevant to him so he had a preempt the goyal coming to pass again to establish Allah even before the Goyo gets her his son poskining in general and the velterraine for um and then it has to be before why what why because we have no accountability for Allah in other words but boyas wasn't saying I according to looks I'm sorry for Boise was saying that it was a Josh again let's just let's set forth clearly the answers to the question the question was that how can we trust buyers to pass them out something that's not getting him one answer is that if According to some separate buyers we're just giving a drasha when you give a drasha then even if it's not gay at you we rely on you because if you say now what are we supposed to do with that we're gonna have to rely on you but if you say to drasha we could challenge it and therefore we believe you even if it's like yeah that's one answer some suffer but it's the singer Josh another answer is once we believe him for online we can believe him for Maya and a third answer suggested by Ruben Margolis is because he preempted the case even before the case arose it still doesn't answer the question right because we know by the time of schmuel which is a couple of generations like yeah that they knew it was Allah right because that's what yes sir nobody else knows why do we have to go to this home again according to this according to this third answer but he has also known as but nevertheless and and that's why he had to preempt the case but what's what's troubling me is again like we mentioned before clearly according to the rambam it is and the riskarov learns that's what yes I was saying is what was Boya saying well look some Cyprus said in one answer that he was saying it's a drasha so according to that answer with some stuff you have to say boyas did not know that's okay right or he did know but he he that's why he had a preempt the case but even if you want to say boy as news I'll tell you what's really troubling me is there a Demarcus here that's what they're learning very much I found this morning in the Chivas of the Cabo Sawyer so I yeah if you asked me yesterday how many hello there's no list in the rambam I just happen to see in the shower since she was coverless y'all here he counts all the halach almost to Messina is 61. some looking here and he discusses what means does it always mean the same thing maybe it means different and I'm looking through is one of them my Avi is I can see the list he gives me a lesson in many many pages and I found it at the expense of my kids coming late to school but I couldn't help myself a number a number um only a few minutes um and number 54 he says the Rahi quotes the rambam and now we have a number eight right with the ram I'm in Hills foreign okay so you have to say that the Raman feels that it means that what is otherwise how would he put the issue to rest I'd say you know how the rambam knows the random knows because since the ramam's opinion is that anything which is meet Russia a later bezenka challenge so when yester gets up and said I heard from the bestie this is Russia you know what Dyke should have said big Spiel I argue on him yep as an induction that way it must be he said something that put the matter to us which is what who and that's why they argued about it Russia until yesterday Israeli came in and girded his sword well it wasn't schmuel around at the time of show he says so I mean it's not like we're talking many years why wouldn't y'all know it so didn't know it but then he says maybe they really didn't know it but just instigating but the Havoc here seems to be bothered by the following question how could it be that show didn't know and nobody else knew it and it comes out did boyaz know it did bias knows Allah and I want to bring up the following issue doesn't anybody remember the gemara and Silvis says how do you know you need 10 brought people for Chavez [Music] foreign why does he need 10 people he's getting married and Ravi avoz says no from a different source um says the gemara and with nachman who doesn't learn it from the pasta what does he do with the Posse that by us took 10 men nah he didn't do it for several bracos you know why he needed ten men to make us he needed to publicize the Joshua so isn't it clear from this gamara that boyas was darshaning he's darshaning and he needs 10 people to darshan so definitely buy us either did not know but then what Bay has just made a mistake and and with nachem and she does he made such a mistake he called 10 people to darshan something's very fishy over here did was there a Magister to 10 people he called was because he wanted to be sure that he had a business that everybody would agree that it was okay for him to marry us yeah I mean he wanted to publicize it wasn't just him you know that he got the approved Melissa but listen to this I want to suggest the following I couldn't find anyone who says it and if it's not correct time should be Michael but uh tell me what you think um [Music] he talks about there are two categories of Toshiba the Salah and there's have to be black why where does it stand in the hummus it doesn't say it anywhere in the Hamish there's no it's not a source and then there are other things which are derived through chattan and Russia now we learned that depending what the source is they have different halachays something that is nobody could argue on a later person can't argue on it it's finished black and white later bezen could argue on Russia on the other hand if somebody says somethings from adrasha even if it's not Gaya him you have to believe him if someone says something we don't believe him so they have different categories I want to suggest that there is one halacha that is both categories huh how's that possible I'll tell you why the hell the fact that villain is black you don't have nowhere in the Columbus doesn't say it does have to be black nowhere in the hummus does it say it doesn't have to be black it's a undiscussed point and therefore by the way even though it doesn't say I'm telling you it has to be black but when it comes to and when it comes to this we have a little problem because you can't just say hello you could marry a moyavis but the Hummer says you can't marry it says you can't have a hello says you can marry in town and how could the my how could the so you say well uh it doesn't say specifically the ladies what are you talking about when it says Mom's there it means the ladies when it says mitsri it means the ladies as well so why would you assume moyavi and Ammon is different that so yes you have Allah but once you have Allah now you have to be able to darshan the pasok so not only is it's also in Russia there's a famous thing um you know you don't take the chiffon Shabbos you don't take a look of an estragon Chavez you don't why do you why do you do brisney launch all this answer is that the Todd says that that sukha excuse me you know I uh you don't belong Shabbos because nowhere does a terrorist say Blow shuffle could come along and uh and say banana Chavez but the Tyro says you do Milan can't say no you don't and the simple meaning of that is men and women and the proof is die against um so if it says so very nice but we have black and white you can't do it so you know what you need that tells you that we have a tradition that you must make it Russia it's almost that you make good Russia that's why he needed 10 people he wasn't doing something that we look back in history you're wrong what are you making at Russia don't you know the Kabbalah from small haramasi buyer says I'm not saying whether he knew it or not maybe he did not but he still needed to make the Joshua because not enough to have Allah if you have Allah that's fill in our black fine Tara doesn't say they're Orange doesn't say anything plus and maybe we could even take it a step forward further so okay I don't know I don't know for sure but the fact that the gamarang Suba says that he made a drasha doesn't mean to me that he didn't know could be he knew it but you still need to make a Joshua Pliny Almighty says oh you're making a drasha then a later bezen is going to argue on it but plenty of money didn't know is yes it's a draw shot and yes the later bezen could argue on the drasha but not this Russia because this dress is backed by a Halal then boa should have told plenty of money back if he's saying I'm making this direction because it contradicts so maybe either he didn't say or he had a reason not to say or maybe he didn't know he maybe didn't know but but the fact that the fact so so maybe in other words the fact that he made a draw shot is not necessarily an indication he didn't notice Allah and the fact that the gamarang subus records this historic Russia doesn't mean it's not Allah and the fact that Rashi quotes is Russia I mean your whole life before you saw the Rama did you really think it was Allah everybody thinks it's a Josh I might even lie on minus so it could be this is a rare rear a rare Bird a rare exception we are yes and normally by very definition but this you need to be able to read the plastic in other words the the night carries with it a special way to read the pasok and then let's take it one step further in the times of avram avinu they did not touch I'm an MAF right like the shakala tire brings down that's why avrah Muslim did not marry the daughters of light so he said does that mean that the argues on the rambam the rambam and he holds it was a drasha say maybe maybe not was not there yet but the Torah was there and the Torah says in other words there are two different Traditions that are both in fact true and Times of aramiso kenyakov they would not go near and in fact machlen and kylian okay so so that doesn't fit in necessarily because macron and kylian according to what we learned in the if you want to know what the sound says again I refer you back to the sheer the fluidity and exclusivity of the oral law but there it's brought down that Macklin and koyon were punished for not married for marrying Ruth because at that point in time foreign so apparently according to the Torah they were not aware of that but that's also very difficult that is not a way to get punished no why didn't they make a dress of that period of time was yesterday but it means if even if they don't know make it so you're guilty you're not you're talking about no they didn't know the police can pass in at that time that you can't do it so they knew they couldn't but basically what you have is the following the rambam says it was all a matter of drasha avram darshan did to include females my clinic in their times they knew it included females arguing it would seem that they are unless there's an idea that there is a hello hello motion we see now that there's a drasha but on the very least what about the fact that the gamarang Suba says that boy has darshan is does that mean bias didn't know but as didn't know what the rambam knows Maybe not maybe there is some there seems to be something unique about this that while on the one hand throughout history we find godolly hador darshaning it that perhaps indicates that this is a unique situation where even though we needed Russia as well to be able to read the simple meaning have a great day you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com