Shabbat: The Kiddush Laws - Part 3 - Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

like yesterday I don't we did we I think we'd probably mention this but with it if we're in any way like that's just let's just start off with what I think we finished with yesterday was that after kiddush has been recited it needs to be drunk immediately could we talk about ladder no yeah yeah for sure but as far as holding it above the table okay I saying it before we say there okay so I retract that ridiculous introduction and we're going to start off today with something that we didn't end off yesterday with how about that this may come as a surprise to you but after you've recited kiddush you need to you need to drink the wine immediately there shouldn't be any interruptions whatsoever huh well that's different from it's not it's not different i mean we're just learning that how long as that's also it appears over here and I'll offers a kiddush that you've got to drink the wine after you've after you've made the bracha I tell you I tell you actually what might be a you-know-what what might be when you're making kiddush right so I when I make kiddush for example I don't think that people want to drink from the cup that I made kiddush out of that's my general feeling and if they do I don't really want them at my each other's table but so what what a white what do i do I pour out some of the wine from the kiddush cup I pour it out into a different glass then I drink from the kiddush cup and then I fill up the other glass with more wine from the bottle and then start filling up all the little all the little cups that are go around to all of the guests now it would be a mistake for example to start pouring out for all the guests little amounts of wine before you drunk from the kiddies you right you need to you need to drink as soon as you can so for hygienic reasons it's okay to pour a little bit out in order to make sure that you can now add that together with some more wine and pass it around after you've drunk but not more than that right you shouldn't be pouring things out and arranging people's cups of wine before you've drunk from yours and does it matter how much of the last wine goes into the mixture no none whatsoever just make any difference at all because it's be a little drop and then you can add add you can fill up the glass all the way to the top with wine let's just come out of the bottle and you can pass it around to everybody and they're all they're all partaking of the wine that was used for kiddush even though it's been very much diluted with the other wine that's come out of the bottle that's why I'm so absolutely fine okay actually someone do like this the spirit of this but if you mess up your execution their way but I think they took a sip from the cup and then put it into the bottle and then use that oh you you can do that again I'll tell you the thing is I deny I have a I a ver it I have a I'm very squeamish and I really really don't want to drink from other things that other people drunk from I really don't in theory right when you go for Chabot on right and you've got let's say you've got 50 people sitting over there waiting to have some of your kids wine the simplest thing in the world is to do what is to is to take from the kiddush from the wine that kiddush was made over pour a little back into the bottle and then just send the bottle around then everybody pour a little bit out for themselves and keep it going around because that's now been mixed together with the wine that we that was kiddush was made over but again it's better to do that I think it's better to do that before you drink from it right otherwise otherwise you defeat in the pool otherwise you're you've drunk from this cup you've then poured some of the wine into the bottle everybody's drinking from stuff that you've drunk out of her I personally I think that's just a little I think it's a little tacky myself what about the kiddush fountains you see oh they're they're cute the problem the problem with them is you know he's talking about you've got this kiddush wine it get the Becker's in the middle and then it's got spouts coming out all the way around and depending in over your if you're a cheapskate so you've got four little cups over to go if you're like a real fancy guy you could have like 12 or something going all the way around the big very ornate I saw one actually which was really neat which was two tiered yeah we're such as I you know it's got you know 11 smaller circle going around there and then a bigger circle going around the bottom it was really neat and it must have been maybe 18 different cups over there what what's the problem the problem is like this once you've drunk from the kiddush wine there's no of them whatsoever we then pouring that wine into the you know what how does it work you twist it or something or you pour it in take lift up the cover just pour it you pour it in so you somebody the person making kiddush has to drink the wine they come right and then during the right no they shouldn't do that well that's no different from pour a small amount like what I'm saying oh so what I get what's that what's the problem the problem is like this how much report we're going to see them it that how much you're going to drink you you as a person making kiddush you have to drink a minimum a minimum amount of wine if you pour it out let's say you've got ten guests over there right and you're going to pour out the one that's going to use up most of the wine that's in your better what you could do is to drop into the thing Audrey okay we're good good you could do that right on you can just pour you could pour the wine straight from the bottle into the into the receptacle I let it go down you could do that for sure we'd be problematic to just hold up this entire fountain day and take four other small Cubs who you you the person making kiddush brother over this entire thing yeah again what what's the problem the problem is I think so when you are making kiddush you're making kiddush over the cup of wine that you're making kiddush over you're not making kiddush over ten small cups of wine you're making kiddush over the one in the middle right so what's the problem if you're going to make kiddush over one of the little ones it's not big enough you're not fulfilling your obligation over there which we come what may you need to make kiddush over that the proper sized kiddush cup which we'll talk about them in session hi once you've done that so yeah you know what you could pour a little bit into the like into that whatever is that little reservoir over there in the middle that it will drip down into the different cups and then drink however much you need to drink from the main cup and then just take the bottle and pour it in to the receptacle so that it starts filling up all the little cups then you can give them out for sure that that's that for sure is okay okay in clean though isn't it ah no matta clean I imagine so or maybe maybe you just have to maybe just pour water down it or not I'm not sure don't know and they aren't they are pretty neat you know there are pretty neat things especially you know when they've been there sort of like big and there's lots and lots of these things there what a quick we're pouring everyone's wine yeah yeah it's great my brother's got one okay since it's cute yeah you may have to do some math though yeah you need to have exactly you need to actually need all those carbs other ways to go pour it up you spot I said interesting what hands does it delete is there a way of switching some of them off Oh Becca it's designed so that it the full backup equates to I hope you know a cup of the whole rid of them so like if you were to fill the back up and pull the whole lot and they will fill up equally perfect about okay now what happens I'd say you've got a thing with ten little cups around it and you've only got eight yes can you can you neutralize to look after you to fill them all up it's all going to go and come what may it's all going to go down okay okay I mean you can plug them up oh yes yeah well okay it's interesting maybe we should ask rabbi geffen to and Shiva should buy one of these things that we can study at night and see and if it already right all of those who do you know what I try yeah this is what whiskey fairphone wouldn't it to use it as like a like a scotch dispenser uh what why not apple juice while once you get to whisk if you didn't have a small glass of apple juice generally did you listen hi whiskey huh whatever okay let's have a look and see what's the minimum amount of wine that the person making kiddush has to drink are we getting it we're gonna get there now there is there is first of all before we go any further maybe maybe we need an introduction in two sizes there is there is something in liquid there is something called Malloy look mum the lot look above right your login is your cheek Malala mouth means a cheek fools worth of liquid millat means full milord Luke Mohammed valve chemo mem valve what what is what does that mean that means you're a cheeks full worth right so when it comes to liquid just in general before we start talking about kilij that is that is a minimum amount of liquid required in general to obligate you to recite and after brocker now Malloy look above is going to be a very it's going to be a somewhat subjective amount right because your cheek is not the same as someone else's cheek and you know whatever I mean you're working out yourself but when you drink you should really just sort of it's not it's not like we're talking about an awful lot of liquid right you should just you know I like that to make sure that you've got up chicks'll worth of liquid so this is what that does vary from person to person oh nice sheet like a stereo sorry yeah only only only only in a minimum amounts right it's not we're not we're not gonna see honestly large differences what's that what's our Lackey ramification are we here for Malone look mom it's something which is very fascinating when it comes to drinks if you're drinking something hot or something very cold it's very difficult to drink a cheeks were full that's what you've got a cup of coffee you just took a cup of coffee out from the Machine of it she probably didn't you might have got the coffee without the cup we might have a cup without the coffee or you might have a third of a cup with a coffee but machine works downstairs oh yeah it's very hard to be replaced it oh yeah okay i'm sorry i was living in the past over there the the old coffee machine was she somewhat temperamental talk about the machine over here where you can get all different kinds of flavored the only 1i doesn't work don't get ever did but now it's official okay however you know you got you get yourself a cup of steaming cup of hot coffee right now you can't drink I thought this is a day we had a cup of tea oh good all rights it I'm sorry we've got we've got here an Englishman we're going to we're going to change the scenario you've got a steaming cup of hot tea not coffee no I can't follow that's okay you're American you can follow the begin with the time you've got a steaming hot cup of Budweiser I don't know okay it's that ok now you are you following good ok getting bow ties are less palatable so might as well be good steering art anyway you've got you've got steaming hot cup of something right it you can't drink a cheeks for worth of that it's too it's just not comfortable you can't do it so you sip your hot drink or if it's freezing cold sometimes it's the same effect actually so you're sipping your very hot trick you're a very hot drink or you're very cold drink now if you sip your drink all the way down to the bottom then and you finish it up then you are not able to make and after Bravo you make a first proper you make a schakal right but you can't make an after broke up because you never drank enough to obligate you to begin with right is that clear what a lot of people do when they come to drink their hot cups of coffee is that they'll leave enough at the end to you know let it cool down a little bit to be able to drink it down in one go and that way they'll know that they've drunk a Malloy look mouth and that way they can make a bracha finer they can make an after broker but if they know how much to leave wend its the inter reason that the entire cup is more than more than the Sheikh fault oh for sure it's not we're not taught my very much a cheeks Fort Worth is not a lot of liquid exactly but if you're having the entire cup over his face down and out of time when she don't be able to make it and after brother no so here it's interesting right which means like this you would have thought that what you're saying let it accumulate right which means I'm taking sips I'm finishing up the whole a whole bottles were through a whole cups worth of liquid and let it all accumulate together so I can make a bracha final but it doesn't work like that with an after broker you've got to have drunk and eaten at a minimal amount in one go in order to make it obligatory to make the after broker right and with liquid we're talking about Lloyd look ma we talk about of cheeks full worth which means i once again if you're drinking your cup of hot coffee or tea or budweiser whatever it is you should you should leave I mean if you again if you want to make a bracha fighter which is a great thing to do you should leave as you know at the bottom as much as it's needed in order to be able to make that off the blessing used to make the free dressing before you drink you make the pre blessing is made anyway it's interesting that even though pre blessings and after blessings obviously are appear they're not necessarily connected to each other which means that if a person knows that they're going to drink this cup of coffee and they know that they're not going to drink it it there's no way it's too hot they're just going to sip it all the way down then if that's the case he's going to make a bracha tree shona a schakal and he's not gonna make a brother right to save a shuffle for the coffee tea Budweiser and some water and have a study that you can do oh good you could do that which means that you can have your cut a hot cup of coffee right and you can have also an ik a regular cup of water together and when you finish a cup of coffee you can drink enough water you don't have to make another broker over it right you can drink enough water to make the obligation kick in for the after bro if you've had like her well oh yeah ice cream chocolate whatever what I mean right and I think anything that's going to there anything that's going to give you the obligation to make the after brockie is fine but you need to just you need to know that if you're drinking right that's what you're doing you're just drinking then here you know I another example whiskey right now most people i don't know maybe i'm wrong i really don't know very much about whiskey but i imagine the most people don't drink whiskey as Malloy look ma they don't take a cheek falls worth of his style Americans I do they do that no you should sit at which means what does it mean it means like this you get it you get a you know night a nice a nice shot glass of whiskey it's very good whiskey you make a schakal overhead but you're not going to make a bracha thrown all over it because you're only sipping it and you're savoring it and you so you're not you know I don't know if you knock it down in one girl then maybe maybe that is maybe that does require a brothel Kramer it's possible right again so why don't know is that a favor if you haven't if you if you're not sure right then again we've got first of all we've got we've got two things over here first of all practically we've got this concept which is talked about the other day of Suffolk bruh hot lark L which means that if you're not sure whether you're supposed to making a broker or not then we're all leniently and you shouldn't make a bracha so if I drink and I'm not sure whether I drank enough in one go to obligate me to say the broker owner then I should not say the broker because we say Suffolk Brock any any doubtful brokers so we're all leniently we don't we don't make them on top of that right is something that somebody doesn't know it's not something which they're really going to be held accountable for which means for example I I don't take someone who doesn't know that they're supposed to make her after blessing let's start with that right so when the gear up says at the age 120 it's true that God will find them accountable for never having learnt about it in order to find out about it but God's not going to say to him listen my friend I'm sorry but every time you ate or drank you didn't make an after blessing and you're going to have to give some kind of accounting for that because the fellas going to say but I never I never knew there was such a thing right so again you don't know you don't know how much you've drunk or you never knew that there was that amount needed to be drunk in order of the I would've akin after blessing so I College boucles gonna find you know he's gonna he's gonna have a raised eyebrow about the fact that you never looked into it right that you never you never studied and you ever asked but he's not going to hold you accountable for something that you're not aware of you know some somebody somebody comes somebody gets up says the age 120 and he's not he's never he's never been aware of the fact that you're not supposed to put on the lights on Shabbat for example right so I mean what God's going to say to my understand you you were alive for 70 years and he works out how many shoppers since he was alive for and he says think you know all these Chavez's cincy above it so you've been putting on the light and here we're gonna have to punish you for that and the person's gonna say what I found I had no idea right again don't he's not getting off the hook was it yesterday we spoke about ignorance being this it's no you're not getting off the hook again you're going to be held accountable for the fact that you never studied that you never looked you never found out which conceivably might be may be that you know maybe the punishment for that is something which will be just as agonizing as somebody who switched on the lights when he knew that he shouldn't have done I don't know that's a cottage Balkans calculations in the US and I assume a lot of other places not knowing the secular law is not a defense for violating it yeah you're still hella couple there are some exceptions like campaign finance laws the if the congressman who made that law doesn't know it exists that he hasn't broken it I again it's interesting right I think in in in secular law you don't have any other alternative right you can't plead ignorance because then everyone will plead ignorance wow you know I never I never realized that I wasn't allowed to go into the bank with a short enough shotgun shotgun so short of a short of shotgun and and and you know and and held up the bank I never I never realized oh really okay well you could go free then it doesn't make any difference right that makes perfect sense but I college beaucoup who calculates every detail and in every dimension so for him obviously is going to take into account exactly what you know what you don't know in order to be able to give you the reward that you're supposed to be getting and also any punishment that needs to be given as well okay let's have a look and see what we've got what are we supposed to be drinking over here when it comes to the wine so according to some according to some opinions when it comes to drinking the wine for kiddush I'm alone look above is enough cheeks full is enough the vision of Brewer which that's going to be our that's going to be our benchmark of you hear about you know practical a loss or what we're going to be following the mr. Brewer seems to hold that you should drink the majority of what's called a reverse now a Revere's is between three point three and five fluid ounces I'm sorry that I can't be more exact than that but the problem is there are three different that I mean there are more than that but there are three basic opinions that are followed ravi i annoy is normally the smallest figure because between three point three and five fluid ounces sort of high noise normally the smallest the cousin ish is normally the biggest and the RAV moshe fighting is normally in the middle which means you have to drink the majority of the Revere's in order to fulfill your obligations right even if your cheek full is less than that ok so we're moving again one opinion is a cheek full is enough the mission Bora is saying no the mission abroad says we're not using a cheek full as the measuring rod at all we're going to use the Revere's you have to drink what's called a Roy Revere's the majority of that Revere's needs to be drunk so let's work on the premise that five let's go for let's go for the biggest one because it's also the round this one so things it's the easiest one to deal with five fluid ounces that means that you need to drink a minimum of two point six fluid ounces in order to fulfill your obligation and possibly the more than that because again Roy Revere's could be anything from 2.6 upwards are you getting somewhere I can smell those kids or six doses no cancer 330 you've all right she's half a half a can give or take a little bit less like what worried so much just I would say just I just under just under half a can now don't be confused here I think we're getting there right just that just under half a can of regular a regular can of drink right so think you think you try and drink off come on go again what what does it mean drinking at one go it doesn't mean you've gotta drink it in one in one go so we see very wise like like well if ur if it can is 303 33.3 asses is 97 and a half mil years which okay so let's let's say let's keep you around let's just get let's call it a hundred okay so we're going from 100 250 is that what we're doing give or take there's a third of a cannon so if you follow if you take if you take the smallest the smallest measurement it's a third of a can if you take the largest measurement it's just under half of a camp right now again you know you don't have to drink it you don't have to drink it all in one gulp if you've got a drink it in one go but you have to have at least youthful one of those girls yeah wait so you do have to basically down it for sure but it's not it's not it's not again I don't know why that oh these people that you're going to unless they've got some kind of an alcohol dependency issue behind the knee yet but it's got its got to be drunk in one go yeah good okay so now that we've got that sorted out so a regular cup a regular plastic cup disposable plastic cup is definitely it's definitely got enough in it to make kiddush over right just to put things into perspective what we're talking about if you've got something smaller than that you need to be careful again when you come to when you come to buy your kiddush cup right you need to be careful that you're buying something that's big enough that it holds at least a reverse preferably more that way you don't have to be concerned at all but they know who do not assume that they be sold well yes you you can it you again it's interesting can you assume it you can assume up to a certain point which we did you go into silver shops you'll see a huge array of different silver cups and some of them are enormous and some of them are pretty small and again what's the idea the idea is like this if I'm using the I you know a lot of people use silver cups to hand out to their guests right so they don't need a reviews for that so a person can get confused you know you could go and you can see these small smaller things and think wow so it looks just like a kiddush cup you know it must be okay right but it's not you need to just need to make sure that you could get you know you can get half a can of drink into the kiddush cup so when you pour your drop just make sure you don't pull too much oh so that's another thing if you're if you're if you've got a cup which is you know just a Revere's yeah so you've got to be pretty careful about what you're pouring out over there you know if you've got if you've got a kiddush cup which is nice and big so fine you know you know that have to worry you know you can pour out a nice dollar for this stuff and then the rest of it you can drink yourself you can't top up your cup if you put what if you poured out too much look island drinking I want to be right I would say like this I would say that if you have pulled out too much wine and you need to be able to drink your Revere's now then yeah you would have to add more wine into it but I mean to me that sounds like it's a vide evidence is you know look at Fela the best thing to do is to drink the reviews of wine from the wine that the kiddush was made over only only that wine and afterwards again you know could spread it out to as many people as you want now there is and shabbos morning there are many many communities on shabbos morning where kiddush is made over something other than wine right so I would imagine in the initial that you daven in on if there's a kiddush off the damn you have a kiddush after darling of course there's otherwise no one would come to daven right there you go right where and where would we have been without that story imagine at this point earlier what your nose at many many people make kiddush over whiskey right so what's going on now everybody here understands you make kiddush our whiskey you've never seen anyone make kiddush of a whiskey you a kiddush cup and drinking a Roy Revere's of whiskey I they'll have to they'll have to carry him out of it so what what's what's going on our way because kiddush on Chavez morning is considered to be less of a torrid obligation than kiddush on Friday night there is room over here to be a little bit more flexible however we're gonna see I I don't know I'm not I'm not I'm not ruling over here I'm just I'm just telling you what's going on because I don't I don't wanna again I don't want to get involved in the rather sticky mess of of saying that what's been done is correct or incorrect okay but if you want to make kiddush on shabbos morning you should really be using wine or some drink that has the halacha status of something called hammer Medina now kamar means drink and Medina means the state right there the nation kamar ha Medina is a national drink this is the same five dollar right that now this is this is where you're going to get this interesting idea of people making kiddush over whiskey because in many many countries whiskey is definitely considered to be camera Medina it is one at one of the drinks that you know that's just accepted as being a national drink you know whether whether it's well again I'm using whiskey in a kind of a generic term right whether it's whiskey whether it's something else whether it's vodka whether it's a you know whether it's slimovitz you know anything out all of these these wildly alcoholic beverages that that you'll find them as national beverages all over the place where does the concept come from them of what hamara Medina it comes inside a dialogue or it's something which is mentioned inside of the Talmud as well it is a rather interesting idea that the rabbi's say you should make kiddush over wine so that obviously the most obvious question that will crop up now is well what do you do if you don't have wine what should I make kiddush over so the rabbi's discuss they debate the all issue and they come to the conclusion that you should drink something called karma Medina now just to put things into perspective for example you mentioned half-dollar right come on budino drinking come on within Abdullah is okay right now I remember as a kid very often when I was growing up Abdullah was made over milk now I don't know today I you know if you look inside of the post game that there's a lot of a lot of uncertainty about where the milk really is come on Medina what I was growing up everybody drank milk you know you got milk when you went to school you drank milk you know so is it come a medina maybe is fresh orange juice Hammer hammer Dina over here in Israel well again when I first came to Israel everybody drank fresh our issues they sold it all over the place so it was it was like it was like a national drink it really was a little kiosk where they would squeeze you oranges on the spot I know they still do that but not in the amount that he used to be done every every my call it would have oranges that you could go and buy fresh orange juice from was fresh orange juice Kamara Medina over here in Israel maybe is is is fresh orange juice hamara Medina in Florida the Sunshine State maybe I may have done a lot of beer beer beer is mentioned inside of the ha'la'tha beer is mentioned as being camara Medina beer is something which goes back into into Talmudic times they made it slightly differently then it was made was it was normally made from fermented dates but the idea the idea was you know pretty pretty much the same this one shows running over beer with leafy to you enough do you make it over over a proper cup half liter oh my oh my I'm surprised you remember this oh I'm sorry university college student you know that okay are you kidding that's how we start our day my my my mother used to have an uncle we used to start his day drinking a cup of whiskey now we spoke about most people don't do this right most people drink whiskey in small amounts he would drink his in a tumble a tumbler full of whiskey each morning that's how he started his day and on Pesach he suffered terribly from from withdrawal symptoms because there was right there was nowhere so my uncle and my uncle bought him my uncle was learning in yeshiva in montreux and switzerland so he bought him a bottle of slivovitz I don't know what slimovitz is it's plum brandy it's like 1,000% proof it comes and reinforced glass bottles and it's it stuff is wild you know you can drive your car on it and my mother said they always used to spend the whole family the whole the whole extended family so since been placed us together in a hotel on the coast of the coast of England and she said that that that pesach the whole hotel was woken up in the morning to screaming and shouting from this uncle who was like he was screaming the top of his voice he's trying to kill me I'm going to die because he took his little bit it's exactly the same amount that he would have taken it with whiskey and down it in one go and two slivovitz is you know twice twice as powerful if not more than the whiskey is so yeah okay sorry it's so in order in order to make kiddush even on shabbos morning you really need wine or how about a medina and a cup that holds our of this rich ah yeah alright so you hear you're ready you already hear the problem what's the problem the problem is you take your little shot of whiskey and everyone's making kiddush over this thing and drinking it down and starting to eat and the question over here is yet you know yes or no is it okay or is it not okay so i'll tell you like this there are that you should know that the authorities are lacking authorities go to great lengths I understand why it's an acceptable thing to do if you go through go through the various see you know goes through the various responses you'll see that most the majority of the post of the journeys authorities are not thrilled by the custom of making kiddush over such a small amount of whiskey and again I don't see how you can make it over a proper amount because that would require a cup with a Revere's and drinking Roy Revere's to fulfil the obligation which is that's wild right what do we say it was we're talking about a minute a minimum of 100 milliliters pretty sure 26 and just driven with Jeff Daniels and I watch my rabbi walk out of the sure ok so again i'm not i'm not saying that there aren't people who can't blew it I'm not saying so what were you have in most shoes you'll have somebody making kiddush over wine and that's great and then you do what you want right you want to have wine have wine you want have whiskey you have whiskey whatever you want because what's up shot over there he's fulfilling your obligation so you know you don't even have to drink anything at all if you don't want to you could just start drinking coca-cola instead but in many shoals you'll find especially when people can't they can't wait for the rabbi because obviously the rabbi it takes him a little bit longer to get to win the knishes because he's got a Sega Chavez to everybody and he's got to you know ask everyone how they are and by the time he gets it never sees people have been waiting all morning for kiddush to pounce on this makes a man rich Rosie fit for sure you can age back home oh gosh fool kiddush actually my favorite work were what would they call they were smoked salmon although spirals the pinwheels pinwheels ya know what I'm talking about it's okay oh I love those ah as soon as they say i meant of course we never wait to say me that's far too long we just said ah ah through the week we make either Hamlet see razones and then and often and then everything else on shabbos he made a gun yeah then yes but if you're not using wine and you're not making enough and oh good question be sure yes you make you make sure how call over your bottle of whiskey that you're drinking or whatever it was your your your your your shat your chalice full of whiskey you would make you would make you would recite kiddush like the regular words of kiddush but instead of saying borrow PR geffen you would say charcoal nybridge borrow and then you would drink it and then you make them as own ass over whatever it is or you make or you make a mighty right you do it follows exactly the same pattern you're just making a different Bravo there does the does that same circle then continue to cover those pinwheels or do you need to make another circle no that's good right if the stuff you know you know what's coming it's all there so they shall call you're making over the then up it's not going to cover the pinwheels because the pinwheels are going to be a best they're going to be Mazzone us and at worst you're going to have to wash for them because I've got pieces of bread okay I breath whatever whatever whatever it is but you see the bottom line is like this you're making sure how I love it whatever you make kiddush over and it's going to cover all the shackles that you're going to eat inside of the kiddush to what people have a bit of cake when what why is it therefore holds the wine in a bit okay so hold on a sec just what just one last thing over here with regards to finish on Chavez money unless you have a definite custom of reciting kiddush over whiskey it is better to recite kiddush of a kiddush wine or over grape juice and then afters you want to have you a couple with you can have a cup of whiskey afterwards right just to avoid all of the various halacha problems now with regards to learn off of the kiddush there's a concept called kiddush but my comm sudah which means that you need to make kiddush in a place that you're eating good what's the practical ramification over here when you got a shoulder they have a kiddush after sure even though that's not where you're going to eat your shabbos udah because you're going off to eat by somebody else nevertheless if you're going to hear kiddush ensuring you want to fulfill your obligation of having heard kiddush you need to eat buzanis over there in the place that you heard the kiddush that's why you'll find very often what do people do they get themselves a piece of cake or cracker or pretzels or whatever it is and they keep them next to them and when kiddush is made once the kiddies be mating you said I made to the brothel by OPI Geffen a good'n once you make the broth of a very pure Geffen you then make Amazonas straight away over whatever you've got cake or pretzels or any other kind of Mazzone is that there might be now again kiddush by Malcolm Sudha means that you need to eat a minimum of Mozilla's if you wash your hands then for sure you fulfilled your obligation right but if you're not going to wash your hands now because you're going to eat your pseudo somewhere else so the minimum requirement is to make them as onus in order to be able to fulfill the mitzvot other fulfill a locker of eating in the place that you made kiddush ok it's important it's very important leader a sniffle fool around you could just leave shooting around it you can do more than that you can stand the condition you want because you want to hear the rabbi speak and then after that you're not eating or drinking anything and afterwards you're going to go to wherever wherever it is that you're going to have your pseudo you can make kiddush over there and you can eat your suitor over that if you drink any wine you also need to have his own asses that yeah yeah if you're going to art because again the idea what the Kip what is kiddush doing kiddush is allowing you to eat right to make kiddush without eating these that you've left your left dangling like the functional kiddush it's a function of kiddush on Chavez is to allow you to eat so you're sanctifying the sooner that you're about to have so if I just make kiddush and I don't eat something I haven't finished up what I started and that means if you want to let's say you want to have a some of the kiddush wine then if you want to have some of the kiddush wine you need to have some as onus as well in the order to fulfill for just to fulfill the obligation of eating in the place that you made kiddush knuckleball if you don't want to eat you don't have to eat you don't have to read anything if you know if you don't want to fulfill the obligation of kiddush over there ensure right you can sit over there you can sing with them you can listen to the different or you can have a wonderful time but you don't want to eat now because you eat now you won't be able to eat you're going off to somebody house for lunch you won't be able to eat there afterwards once you've been in sure yeah if needs be you can make kiddush ensure right and then when you go home if there's people there that need kid is recited for them so other members of the family that are there so you can make kiddush for them again even though you've already fulfilled your obligation you went you you heard kiddush and you ate kiddush right but for then you can make kiddush again there are opinions in the halacha that say like this if you heard condition sure and you had a little bit of as owners but you're going to go home and you've got to eat your suitor at home so according to some minority opinions you should recite kiddush at home anyway because that's the place that you're eating your suitor okay are we okay with us yes do you need to if you do want to her to the vicarage do you need to have it immediately after or you like I think inish down and being a half hour now now no problem so long as you make so long as you eat Mazzone us right which was like this you could go home you could let's say the summer when there's like long day stretching out ahead of you can go home and you can make kiddush and you want have you'd like to have a piece of cake maybe a piece of milk wheat cake even like Gary cake you know where some something nice and whipped cream so you can make you itch and you can make Mazzone us and then whenever you want half an hour later 45 in an hour later you want to sit down and have your meal you could do that as well but when you come to sit down and eat your meal so you don't have to make you get if everybody there in the house heard kiddush what happens very often for example people that get up and of an early alright so let's say you get your MBA by eight o'clock in the morning you're home eight thirty in the morning you're home everyone else is still asleep right and you want to sit down and learn you want to use your time a little bit and learn before everything starts happening you can make kiddush for yourself you can have them as owners you can then wait you know you're gonna learn and then whenever the pseudo is going to begin you can make kiddush again for all the people that haven't heard it yet and wash and have your suitor that's okay can you have miserliness in the morning before you go to shul it's better not to the only the only time when it's okay to do it for sure is when somebody's very weak and if they're not going to eat then make it's going to be a problem for them to be able to daven normally drinking drinking is less problematic you should try to avoid drinking things which armas owners so try to avoid drinking cake you could you can definitely have water in the morning you can have tea and coffee there are poised skin will say that you should avoid using milk inside of your tio your coffee in the morning before you've doubled because milk is considered to be a substantial again I mean you know yourself milk milk is a much much weightier drink it's considered to be halacha be much more substantial and coffee or tea and if you need to drink with Mills some people can't drink coffee or tea without milk then you should put in a small amount not a lot right some people also the opinion that not putting too much sugar of you if you like sugar in your coffee or tea if you're going to drink it before you've Davin you should avoid putting in too much coffee too much tea too much I'll try again has only one thing left right too much sugar because again you're turning it into something which is more substantial than it really needs to be on quick meal drinking water is definitely okay I thought the reason why you people just have cake in the morning rush because you can quite happily you can have them is on us without wearing the old having another meal yeah so it's a problem it's a little bit of a problem so problem at how much you eat right if you eat more than a keziah something again it's really it really is better not to totally say he's gonna have a kiddush i miss owners and everything between shadows and muslim yes yes did specified a divorce laws in this question but what after short could you have some reserves play just to hold you over until suit without making no so you would need you would need to make make kiddush and have a small amount of as onus to keep you going and then fine when you come to the sooner somebody else these skillets you can make kiddush again for them or they're going to make you itch you can hear knish ago when you make it again just because it's part of you know well again according according to some opinions if you if you're going to sit down now I have your suitor then you should make kiddush by Malcolm sooner you should make kiddush again so I would say like this if if a person feels that they want to do this yeah you're you're asking for the wrong reason which means that I just I feel the kiddush it's just like an integral part of the seuda and therefore I would like to be able to recite it again is that okay if that was as if that was a situation I would say it's better not to but if somebody's coming along and saying I'm you know I'm a little a little uncertain about this opinion which says that it's better to recite kiddush but Malcolm surah when I'm about to eat my meal should I make kiddush again so then for that person maybe it's okay for that diminish even though they've already made kiddush and supposedly has st. unfortunate addiction and after their said like it's maybe three or four pm you just feels like having a glass of wine for himself no one else is a minister necessarily a part of it does he need to make kiddush over that now please do no you need to make kiddush once and friday night and once in Chavez morning you want to drink wine let's say you make kiddush and you were and you you have it you have it you know you make addition sure and you drunk your wine and then you come home and you want to have a glass of wine in your suitor you're not making kiddush again right so you just have to make sure to make a brothel by PR Geffen over the wine during the meal well with the then come before every after diversey after right the minute you don't have an obligation to recite kiddush so you would use the regular order which is first you make a mighty and then you make hope y'all get that inside of the meal there is a custom amongst the Hasidim mostly among the calcium that they make a form of kiddush during the third meal as well I don't know if you've ever seen it just that you should be aware that it exists and in shallow shooters so they have a full of form of kids to fill up a cup of wine they make they make they recite hook him up with a cup of wine they then take a little sip and then they use that cup of wine to recite half-dollar now again either you've seen it oh you haven't have you seen it then you know what I'm talking about it if you haven't you don't and that's okay I'm used to people don't know what I'm talking about interest good we're not stuff are we have its own you