Shabbat: Forbidden to Cook - Part 1 - Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

gonna try to go through the laws of bitch'll what is be sure those are cooking on Chavez what you can do what you can't do what's considered to be cooking what's not considerably cooking now I apologize in advance that they're kind of involved and there but they are very very important because Vishal is a Sode writers a total prohibition and we certainly don't want to get involved in you know doing things that the tow prohibits on shadow self you know if somebody wants to do it because they don't believe that's their business but it to do it because you're not aware that's you know that's something we're going to try we'll try to avoid that over here so the most basic definition of Vishal of of cooking all right is to change the makeup of something by using heat I'm not telling you anything you don't know right now it's prohibited to cook on Chavez it's prohibited to use fire on Chavez and it's prohibited to use to cook things with any kind of a offshoot of fire right so for example we'll see later on if you've got a hot plate even though the hot plate doesn't have any any fire which is obviously visible but nevertheless it's going to have all kinds of all kinds of repercussions as well and there's no difference whatsoever with regards to hidden fire or open fire right so we got fire bit so that's underneath something and then you put you know something called a black which is a copper plate which is placed on top of fire then then you know that's considered to be fire there's no you know it's not it's not too and I like stuffing might as well on shabbos itself directly onto the black it's a problem or talk about it it's a shell before shallots you can put them on to make sure that it's going to be hot for shabbos and there is going to be a way which will learning it so Sherman putting things on to a hot plate or on to that black on to that copper plate by not putting it directly on by putting it on to something else in the meantime LOL it's a shower we'll all talk about it liquids can also have a din of being vishal which means if you've got boiling hot water so let's say for example you've got a shabbos earn right you can't put food into that because that's considered to be cooking so for example you could take Google and you could put it into one of these plastic they've got special plastic bags that are waterproof and heat proof but they heat up right I don't know how they work exactly they don't know that's the thing and you know you might save yourself a hold on a second the Easter over here if the prohibition is to do with with fire then I could take that put my kugel in one of those bags and put it in on Chavez put it into the shadow zone make it nice and hot and then take it out but you can't do that because that's also liquids are also considered to be cooking as well that's going to have a lot of a lot of practical application for us less to do with cugel right and more to do with making tea or coffee right if you've got boiling hot water what exactly are you allowed to do in order to make you a cup of tea or your cup of coffee and it's a shame we'll talk about it when we get a clich mushy that's one way around the around the issue yeah but don't don't don't reveal all these things right now it's true that there is there is a holic disagreement amongst the early authorities about whether puddings to work whether cooking with with liquid is a Torah prohibition or a binnacle prohibition most of the return of the early authorities are of the opinion it's a Torah prohibition which means def definitely something we'll need to be concerned about need to look out for okay let's have a look and see practical like practical what practical problems could we have well for example there might be a problem with adding color into your soup right there might be a problem with adding croutons into your soup you might might be cooking them on right if the soup is what's called you answer let it bother if it's boiling hot but we'll see all of these practical applications about what you can and what you can't do no mistake the Holly book I'm just results have been baked already right kruto to be baked so there is there is a yeah there is a question about whether there is vishal a car i fear whether whether there whether you can cook something after it's been baked or not if they're fried for sure that's okay but the problem is nobody you see sing anymore in the old days were like when I you know that when I was growing up we had the croutons I was little yellow ubiquitous yellow croutons first of all they were fried secondly they were made with what was that yellow dye called tart atrazine something like that some sunset yellow whatever it was called sunshine yellow I don't know these things were unbelievably unhealthy which is probably why there was a tasty actually now they say bacon and they don't use they don't use that died so I think there maybe maybe it's a natural color I don't know that's pretty expensive I would've thought no incall so this is our local which is not applicable to people living in England whatsoever but it is permissible to heat up food through the heat of the Sun which means that if you've got I don't know let's say you've got something that you want to you want to warm it up and it's boiling hot outside you could stick it on the table you know the dining on that on the garden table or something and let it heat up over there that that is not a problem solid well against Allah power is going to be a problem because you once once you've translated the solar into power then it becomes like heat right but the Sun itself is not a problem it's prohibited to cook using a heat source that was heated up via the Sun okay right that was really your question to begin with right but it applies over here to the tray as well which means that you can't put the tray out to heat it up in order to put food on to it because that already is too similar to using using regular heat in order to in order in order to whatever to warm it up right so I'm just thinking I don't know if you were to take let's say for example you've got color that you want to defrost right could you put that next could you put it next to the window you could you put on the windowsill all right it's nice and hot outside but presumably the Sun is going to come through the glass and it's going to heat up even more right and that I I think that's going to be I think that's going to be prohibited you'd have to put it directly outside let it let it get warmed up through the sun's heat directly and not through something which is going to you know to channel the sun's heat and turn it into Windows the window itself is intensity to eat it still to sunlight no but the window the window is going to heat it up even more so bidden to cook on Chavez any item even if the item can be eaten uncooked right which means like let's say you've got something help me out what have we got we've got an apple an apple right so you can eat the apple in its in its raw state it's delicious right but if you want to have a baked apple for example you can't do that even though you say you know that there's definitely a logical it's logical to say well look you know if I could eat it the way it is right now so I'm not really not really cooking maybe I'm enhancing but I'm not cooking right and but nevertheless that like I said you can't do that why is that again it's improving you're improving something it's not something that can be done in shadows right if you take the Apple you want the Apple bag then that means that when you come in your Baker you're improving it you're making it better than it was the jaunt same thing use elastic we fought before shall go straight by you grooving its Chavez goals that's okay you're not doing anything on Chavez itself which is you've got everything ready and you put it on before chávez right and some people there it there is actually some people have the custom that when they make their chalant right they just put all the raw ingredients in before shabbos and then they just put it on before shabbos and just leave it to to stew yeah that's how she does it yeah that's okay it's been cooked on Chavez has all been prepared before the problem over here is not not it's not the cooking on Chavez itself the problem or the problem that we're going through over here is cooking on Chavez so in graduation can you go up and oh that's a good question no you shouldn't right right right you've got to you got to be careful you should not steer the child wank when can you stir leakage oh when can you stir the children that when you put in you when the cholent has been no I'm telling even before that right let's say you're concerned that maybe you know it smells like it might be burning at the bottom or something right if my wife when she makes charlyn the cholent is basically ready to eat before shabbos and then she just puts it onto the hot plate and then you of course it carries on cooking but it's already edible not like yours your wife right it take it's got its got to cook through shovers to become edible so you're saying you can cook beforehand and initiate the process and then continue to but what if you want to serve it and you're actually going to spooning oh that's okay well once you once you're taking your line and putting it into bowls and putting it out then that's fine the question is whether you're allowed but what's the problem the problem is that when you come to stir it be not not serving it in the middle of the night somewhere you decide that you wake up and you have just got to stir your charlyn you know if you if you don't then you're going to be really not your normal friendly self right you'll be completely on edge I heard especially now the problem is if you if you've got if you've got a challenge that wasn't cooked properly before shabbos and it's cooking during shabbos when you come to when you come to a stir it what you're doing is that you're you're improving your speeding up the cooking the process which is a problem on Chavez all right again there's no problem with my not doing anything and letting the thing cook itself and there is a problem with my steering stirring it around and making you know what was the word done should really start I don't know the truth is a my wife rates are charlyn and she puts it on the hot plate just lose it less you never touches it until here anyway what about a microwave on shabbos so everybody you know everybody here knows of course you can't use a microwave on Chavez right why can't use a microwave each other's creating a sense so let's say let's say let's say we're going to put the microwave on to a time switch right wait big pitch microwaves in your cooking food oh so is that is that are you are you cooking yeah you are cause you're boiling look at how much that much changing the water molecules in the food so it's going liquor it's cooking liquid but you're not cooking with fire is it a Torah prohibition or a biblical prohibition can't use it you can't use it exhibition and that's cooking boiling the water is it's a ton of prohibition or is it a physical problems revenue and you say well I think it's a provision because year and he says rabina cool so I suggest the two of you step outside for a few moments let's just see the truth is that you're both right there are there are lucky I lactic authorities I like I like to be I like to be as you know as as all in comforting as possible really really we're very pluralistic in this class the the according to some opinions it's a Rebennack up there's a rabbinical prohibition over here according to either cetera prohibition the wrong question over here is how do you define the cooking process that goes on inside of the microwave so again there's no you know I'm not going to give you a definitive ruling it's forbidden that's for sure before you pour out soup it really is best to make sure that you are not that there's no crumbs in the bowl right because again the problem i'll be here is that you're pouring boiling hot soup into the bowl and if there are crumbs over there then there could be a cache that there could be a concern that maybe you're going to cook them when the hot liquid goes into them goes into the bowl the same would be true I imagine with if they were if they're with drops of cold water in there as well actually so if you've just washed the plates in order to be able to serve them up to somebody you have to make sure that they're dry before you pour the hot soup into them that's why again if you put you if you put your coloring afterwards that's going to be okay don't put your coloring before and then pour the hot soup on tour don't put the Amanda luckily the croutons in before and then right and then pour the soup on top of them say it's question that could spot for my mumble well then cooking option in advance and then put the cooked lokshen it's cold but it's cooked in the moles yeah yeah on the top the Elvis's ideas that ain't busy like a bee sure which means that the lock shins being cooked so it's not going to be cooked again but i would i would suggest maybe if you ask your mum and she could put the lock shin in after she's put the sleeping just to avoid any any kind of any kind of you know problem that there might be but again in general in general there isn't there is a cloud as a general rule inside the laws of caches which says a miculek official once something's being cooked it's cooked and you can't account elastically it can't be cooked again you can warm it up but that's not cooking it's cooked already right and that's a lot a lot less problematic yeah and another another thing that you need to be concerned about for example you take something out of the freezer in order to in order to use it for Shabbas so you want to take out of color from the freezer and you want to use it for the next meal if you put it again the hell is going to come with it's got a little a little bit of what a little bit of ice or frost or whatever is on it so if you if you put it next to a heat source right where it where it could become yet so lettuce but i'm not quite i'm not an obsession sure how this is going to happen because you had so let it boys very hot it's 45 degrees right that's boiling hot but if you were to put it over there it's a problem because you're now you're now what are you doing you're you're melting the ice and you're causing it to get cooked up right and that's a problem on shabbos already cliquey was me the Holly yes but not the ice it's on it it's been taken out of the freezer which means you can't just what I mean did Ross you can't you can let something defrost for sure and you can even you can even defrost something by putting it on top let's say on top of the hood right but you've got to be careful over there that it's not gonna it's not so hot that you know today the truth is today Chavez urns are much safer than they used to be I remember when we were kids the shovers over it got so hot the the container itself and you could you couldn't touch the container you could only touch their have plastic handles and a plastic spam you know like to pour the water out and that was really the only the only way the only part you could touch everything else was boiling hot nowadays are there are a lot safer than that there are a lot more you know were insulated and the outside doesn't get that hot anymore buddy you got an old fashioned shahbaz soon I think it might be a problem take the color straight out of the freezer and put that on top of the shadow zone to defrost it because it's going to get so hot over there that it's going to cause the water particles and the the you know the frost and the ice to melt and become boiled up which is going to be a problem that's the equivalent of cooking on Shabbos