Shabbat Candles - Part 3 - Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

[Music] anyway interesting level to the candle lighting that there's that there's actually admits that I have lots of candles some people have this is like a Kabbalistic things some people have a custom to have 10 candles lit that why because that represents your sarah said Leroy so 10 10 commandments that I college bar who gave us others others light seven candles which of course represents seven days of the week interestingly enough there's a slight halacha cry mentioned over here we're not so if a person has accustomed to like seven candles representing the seven days a week he shouldn't do that in a candelabra now I don't know if you've been at people's houses you know you may have seen people will talk about the idea that some people have the idea of the custom of lighting however many children there are whatever you know right so you know you've probably you've probably seen lots of different kinds of ways of lighting candelabra where everything's coming out of one central stem or different individual candle holders there's a problem with having a candelabra that's got seven branches that ties back to the menorah that was lit in the temple and we don't we don't have we don't make things like that so if a person has a custom to light seven candles one for each other week they should make sure to put them into seven different you know seven different candle holders rather than enter into a candelabra which has got all the candles on one stem like I said that there is a custom which is very prevalent that some people have of lighting candles according to the children so everyone starts off with two candles after that each time a child is born you add another candle right said you've got three children in the family there'll be five candles if you've got six children in the family they'll be eight candles and I can't work out anymore now that my maximum you know mathematical abilities but I'm sure you can work it out by yourselves it's it's a it's a very it's a very beautiful idea it really is do you have to do it you don't have to do it right the minimum again is two candles some people my mother for entire life Oh at I'm married I've only ever lit two candles that's what she did that was her custom my wife lights candles according to her mother's kilsyth custom which is one according to each each child in the family so we've got bars and we have seven children we have 99 Chavez candles being lit whatever you do holders actually they're in separate holders yeah although when you've got nine you can have them in a candelabra because it's what again the prompt the problem is said that you have to like that to you like them all at the same time and insane yeah yeah what you should do what was she doubt what she does is she likes them all and then she makes a rocker okay I know I get what's the problem because if you just like the first two and make the brothel then its shadows and then you can't like the rest of the night afterwards alright so they're all going to be lit at the at the same time it's interesting that there is there is an opinion according to some authorities that the two candles that are lit for some overs are for men we spoke about yesterday the idea of guarding and remembering Chavez should be identifiable yeah right so maybe that means having two candlesticks at a taller than the other candlestick strike just to make sure that you can see what's going on however it must be said that there are other post game including including the ram lot which is the the sort of the standard Ashkenazi approach which doesn't seem to suggest that so again whatever you do it's going to be okay right if you're going to set aside two that are going to be bigger that's great if you're not you know for example when you're lighting a candle eyebrows so normally all the things are on the same then the same height the same level so again whatever you going to do it's going to be fine when you go to somebody else's how it does he have the customer I have my home the custom is to light two candles for shovels lazaro and then to light candles for the children as well but when you go to somebody's house you don't have to do that when you're a guest by somebody else you should just like the two candles of shamu Lazar however in your own home you should light the amount that you normally light and you should not decrease and unless there's an overwhelming reason why somebody wants to do that you shouldn't light less than you would normally light and that counts also when you've got a husband lighting so let's say for example a wife is away or the wife is not feeling well and she wants her husband to light the candles he should light the same than I the candles and his wife would light what about Annie my special a missile almost to lose a child yeah so it's it's a very it's a very sensitive issue i don't know i think i think really with something like this because we're not talking about holocron we were to really talking about customs what's customary i think that each family should do without you know that the mother and the wife she should do whatever she feels is best for her so I'm sure that some people would want to carry on lighting the candle because it's some kind of remembrance you know that we had X and other children and now we don't and other people may say no you know I said this is too difficult I don't want to do it and I'm going to light one leg so big you so sure yeah yeah shouldn't do things which makes you sad on shall we certainly shouldn't do things are gonna cry on Shabbos so yeah I think each person that you know each family's going to have to unfortunately we should not normally have an open these things right but they do happen and each family would have to grapple with it in their own way right and decide what is going to be best for them okay what should you use in order like your shoppers candle so first of all it's important that use use wicks and a burning substance that are going to have a nice flame and now this may sound incredibly obvious to you but I know somebody who used to make his own wicks and he used to actually he used to make them out of cotton wool and he had containers with the oil inside of it needs to put the cotton wool into the container and he set them on fire and used to do that for can occur as well now when he was lighting shabbos candles that was just two candles it wasn't so complicated but with an acolyte you know once you've got a whole bunch of these things you could see that his patients got less and less and his wicks got bigger and bigger so you know the beginning there so very nice and seeing in each one standing and then after a while it's like a wad of cotton wool has been stuffed into receptacle and I've ever wondered when he lit these things you know the smoke just below everywhere and it was like great big black smoke that was flying all over the place so you should use candles or oil and wicks that are going to give off a nice light bar fashion today it's easy right it's easy to find these things first of all wax candles burn beautifully secondly there are an awful lot of different methods of using olive oil to light shabbos candles that's the optimum the optimal way of lighting chavez candles is using olive oil and there are all kinds of different ways so it's interesting today they have aside from regular liquid olive oil that you can just pour into the container and then put a little floating wig on top they have they sell today congealed olive oil candles and they go into a receptacle and when you like them they begin to melt and they become they become liquid right but they're easier to store because they aren't like in a box and they look like they're sort of like very that they're short and fat and they last you know they last a good a good long time four or five hours for sure the the the the Gomorrah says that if you use olive oil in order to like your shabbos candles right of you good good quality olive oil I Travis candles then you'll have children in mitesh em who will light up the world without our knowledge because the you know Torah knowledge is compared to olive oil right one thing tomorrow says that that getting getting olive oil requires crushing the olives and you know squeezing out the oil and it's the same to an understanding Torah that we have to work hard in order to be able to understand Torah properly and so there's a kind of a connection between the two this is facility filler for oil yeah again the post came today the authorities today are all of the opinion that wax candles are a perfectly adequate method of lighting candles right wax candles today like I said before that they're very they give they give off a great light they burned beautifully and you know it's very good incalls there with all of that right there is definitely an Indian to use olive oil if you can I know some people that add olive oil into the you know they've got one of these if they've got these containers with the wax candle inside of it they'll add a little bit of olive oil into that to let it all mix together and some people who use olive oil for the Sham overs a quorum for the other ones i'll use regular wax and some people use olive oil for everything and some people use wax for everything again you know you have to work out what's best for you what's good for you they now have I've seen interestingly rather interesting looking things that come in glass containers and you fill them up with paraffin of some kind and they have a wick coming out of the top and people burn those as well you know again whatever you do it's going to be great you should just like Chavez candles okay just hear any interest in practical dimensional over here which again may not it may not be very practical at all when you stop and think about it but there is a concept in my local he says ain't my very own element says you're not supposed to you're not supposed to too if you've got a mid sir right in front of you you're not supposed to pass over that needs for to do another one so for example you've got your shabbos candles in front of you you've got your two main chavez candles which are normally the bigger ones at the back and then the other ones at the front so it could be that it would be better to light the ones at the front first because ain't marryin alum it says right there there right now you shouldn't but you're right shouldn't make you shouldn't like the ones in the back first and then like the ones at the front however before anybody gets too excited over here if it's going to be dangerous to that which you probably will be right then it's better to start off at the back of work your way forward that goes without saying ain mahaveer in I'll hum it spot which means you know you don't you don't give up on a mid so you gotta mitter right now so to the mitzva that's right there in front of you and don't go off to find a different Mitzvah that's a little bit further away just stammers oh I mean I guess all of these things that don't need to be said nobody needs to be said right oh it's interesting so feeling it too in front of you're not the one down the road yeah so wrap to fill in the morning if you can and don't wait for me oh so that's an interesting that that's that that falls under a different category actually that court that there's a catch green that a lot of called the reason Mike demon but it's wat which means that we are we rush to do Mitzvahed so there is a concept inside that i'll offer of doing things as early as you can right and that's right we put on tefillin in the morning rather than wait and put on tefillin in the afternoon because the first opportunity you've got to be able to put on tefillin that's that's when you should do it alright i guess it joins together with this idea of a mahavira nalaman thought but it also joins together with the idea of of recent mag Diamond Bar Mitzvahs that's an important just an important thing and I think interesting argue it for example in the Ashkenazi communities the custom is to make a Brit Milah in the morning all right why could says its recent Martina permits thought you should do the mitzvahs as early as you can later on the eighth day this boy now they're little baby needs to have his bris milah so you should do it as early as you can yeah I would it not be done in the evening of the previous day because the midst of bris milah has to be done during the day otherwise you're right otherwise it should be done right we should do it early you know as night falls we should make the bris milah there is a custom that when you like the Shabbos candles should give a little bit of money to stocker alright so some people you'll see if you go into people's houses you may not have paid any attention but when you start paying attention now maybe you'll see the next of the shovers candles they'll be like a little stalker box or maybe a little a little you know like a little Bowl that's got some coins in it and that's it it's a very it's a very nice vid sir to have it precise if I'm for sure for sure which means that yeah you've got to put the money in first before you before you make the brother that's for sure good um well you don't have to if you're lighting only the woman has today oh good okay there is a Kabbalistic concept which is brought down by the arizal that giving chat when you give charity it's good to give three coins now you may have seen this I don't know if you paid any attention but in your sitter in the morning when you get towards the end of cicadas umrah so it says that that college boy who rules the entire world and over there there's a custom at that moment to give three coins to challenge that was a custom of the air result and there's a customer here as well for women if they can to give three coins they don't have to be big coins like there could be you know ten agoura pieces that's fine like the idea of giving three there's a beautiful custom after women have lit the candles after the wives have lit the candles wives and mothers so what do they do they make the broker and then they don't that's not they don't finish then they daven that I college boy who should bless make sure blessed with children or that the children she's got should be blessed right is that like a it's what's called an eight rats on it it's a moment of a very opportune moment to be able to tap into God's blessings and God's mercy and it should ask that your children in it's a shame you children should grow up to be Torah scholars that tell your children should go up to me well and healthy and to you know to be sources of a great knockout of joy to you and to the parents and to everybody I know it's a wonderful opportunity to be able to do that so is it like a special time for blessing leg as you shop is is coming in the energy Havisham is going to home around the candles and therefore the pairs or more potent yeah yeah it's like it's like I just that Oh what what what were these things called a window of opportunity that like you say that the the house fills up with this first of all it fills up with the sense of serenity you know there's something incredible this error error shabbos is not right it's just crazy you know people are running all over the place trying to get everything ready and get the kids bathed and make sure that everything's on the platter already and two and the most incredible moment what that's it Chavez when the Shabbos candles are lit as they're being lit it's like that's it you can't you can't do anything else now that's it you're done and this incredible sense of tranquility what I've seen in in many many homes in my own home included right is that just a moment of incredible tranquility as the candles are being lit and it's like that's it you're done and I guess I guess that that tranquility is what what allows you to tap into that incredible sense of our college bowl being there together with you and the house filling up with that opportunity to give brothels now this might be a little off topic hey if you want to see the frozen when when will we ever on topic so blessings I thought of the shadows candle blessings at the Kotel and blessings at a Gris are those three on par with each other but also for the Lassiter Israeli yeah I think so got a wedding at a wedding a wedding as well you're right under the Hooper's most incredible potent moment no I think I think that that's I think I think that there you know what again i'm not i'm not a Kabbalist right I mean of course I am but I can't share this stuff with you you know you're far too far too clearly you know for sure but I I don't know it is conceivable that each one of those has got a slightly different dimension to it right but the potency i think is the same just you know maybe maybe if you were to speak to some you understand from these things i'll tell you that this distance oh you know air of shabbos is a moment to pray for this kind of a thing you know at a bris milah that's a time to ask her this kind of a thing under the chuppah that's a time to it you know they do they do say it's interesting that that these plate that these moments and and the cot l is like a it's def definitely definitely the right time to be praying for things like as if the heavens opened and there's a just this moment of incredible incredible potential that's there that you can tap into for example they say this already brought down in all kinds of different sources but at a bris milah when the baby begins to cry as the bris milah is being done not will not let you know very often the baby will cry was being addressed because it's uncomfortable right but as the brits miller is being done and the baby begins to cry and those cries that those cries they pierce the heavens and that's you you could you can join together right and you can you can get your prayers up there something like that right you know you'd say it's like you're hustling your way in right this this baby has opened up the heavens with the purity of its cries and you're gonna you know you're going to stuff your your blessings in there as well and it's a it's a time to be able to ask a college bowl for all all kinds of things so yeah for sure i think i think they're all on a par but like i said maybe maybe one's got a slightly different dimension to the other one I'm not sure but definitely definitely those are moments to utilize to be able to grab ahold of you know as much blessing as you can don't don't be ashamed right to grab as much as much as you can what do you do with a match not you we're talking about the ladies right oh gosh here so according to most authorities if you haven't made the brothel yet it's not shadows yet so you can light the candles and then you can shake the flame out right and then you could just get rid of the match you can throw it away or can do whatever you want right that's until the brothel is being made so for example more than that and let's say that the wife has she's lit the candles but she suddenly realizes that alike she's forgotten to leave a light on somewhere or she's forgotten to put something on the hot plate to make you know to make the food warm yeah can she can she do that so according to most of the authorities until she makes the broker it's not yet shabbos so she can quickly go and finish up whatever needs to be finished up in order to get it done but brother should quickly follow as as a rule right the action and the brosser should go together there really shouldn't be a gap between the two but if it's something important so let's say she I don't know she's left she left the baby in the Bob you know forever some authorities of the opinion that once you've lit the candles that is that is accepting upon herself shoppers that's what she's doing right and then she shouldn't be doing anything else over here except for making the brother there's no Chavez come in and when there's three stars in sky no matter what you do that that that is a courtyard so what what's the trap shut is like this that we spoke about this the other day that women took upon themselves a responsibility of lighting the Shabbos candles and by lighting the chavez candles are bringing in shabbos that's like an additional dimension of their Shabbas candle lighting and the practical ramification of is like we mentioned that if you if i take for example your lighting candles at home and then you're going to eat by a friend on the friday night and you want you want to travel there it's going to be simply to drive over there when the wife comes to light the candles you need to make a condition that I'm lighting the candles now but I'm not bringing in shabbos until i get to where err we're going to write then it's less complicated because men men didn't what right the men didn't take upon themselves the responsibility and the obligation of bringing in shabbos when they like the shabbos candles and that means that if a man is lighting chavez candle who can like shudders candles finish up whatever needs to be done and shabbos is going to come in during kabbalat shabbat right now it's going to come in come what may it's going to come in right there's nothing that can be done to stop that but you know just various moments so for the women they're bringing shabbos a little bit earlier we'll take that as hmm you may notice I don't know some people some ladies have the custom when they come to like the Shabbos candles at once they lit the candles they don't they don't extinguish the flame on the on the match and they just let it burn down whatever yeah which we did you accept if if the lighting of the Shabbos candles is what has brought each others for you so now it's forbidden puter extinguish the match so you may see I know again wherever you go maybe next time you go places to shoppers keep an eye out just to see what's going on you may be interesting you might find some interesting customs that are going on over there if she does need to look to a walkway to take care of the elephant for showers comes only after laying candles would be better to blow the mountain life and again so no I don't think so at that point I think it's okay so long as did something important right what you may notice is that sometimes the lady after she's lit the candles so she'll take the match house but a husband will take the match from her because for him it's not Chavez yet right so he can put out the match and there's no problem with him shaking it out and then throwing the thing away for her maybe maybe it's a problem again when a woman likes the candles and she makes a brother it's shovers that's it that's according to all opinions it's now Chavez even if it's before sunset lights are here in Jerusalem right the accepted custom around the wall is that women like the Shabbos candles 18 minutes before sunset here in Jerusalem there let 40 minutes before sunset right because Jerusalem is the holiest city in the world so there's a an added you know they added extra time for lighting the Shabbos candles now there are a few other places where they do that as well if I if my memory serves me correct in fat they also like Shabbos candles 40 minutes before sunset because it's that is the you know like one of the spiritual centers of the world they also light in particular 40 minutes before chávez the reason for that is because the original people who settled in particular came from you shall I'm and they brought the Jerusalem customs together with them I'm just telling you right even though here in you shall I'm is accepted by everybody that we like Chavez candles 40 minutes before sunset nevertheless you may find yourself in another place around Israel where they do that as well it's fine absolutely fine now you need to know something very important over here with regards to candle lighting and times the outside of you shall I'm you like 18 minutes before sunset when the shovers come in with sunset which is the 18 minutes it's like a buffer period to make sure that no one's going to transgress you understand let's say for example Chavez comes in at exactly five o'clock sunset is exactly five o'clock and if somebody likes their candles at five o'clock and one second they've transgressed chubbers right they've transgress it's it's not it's an ISA do writer II we're talking about a real serious tora tora prohibition right so what do they do the rabbi's introduced the idea of lighting candles earlier 18 minutes before to make sure so what happens now sunset is at five o'clock and candle lighting time in 18 minutes 25 if remover balogun of air of Shabbos the wife likes account at quarter to five for example that's okay she hasn't transgressed anything right it's still best to light 18 minutes before but the other you know the prescribed time but if it doesn't work out it's okay hearing you shall I in you've got even more time 40 minutes before sunset so let's say now Chavez late sunset is at five o'clock and at 20 25 sorry at 20 passed four that's going to be candle lighting time here in Jerusalem and if the person lights at half-past four instead that's okay you haven't transgress than a thing yeah a couple of questions first one is what if someone for whatever some reason was not able to like the Shabbos candles and then Chavez has come in that's the first question second question is at home over the last few months they began in the community I lived and they began to do an early during the summer they begun yeah they created this early candlelight think so when is it okay to like before the 18 minutes okay let's have a look first of all question number one what happens if somebody reach it reaches sunset and they haven't lit the shovers candles they shouldn't like them but it's better not to have shovers candles on Chavez if it means having to light them after the Sun is set right it's very important to keep that in mind shabbos overrides everything which means even though it's nice to have to shove as candles there there is a concept in the halacha that if somebody forgets to light shovers candles then the next shovers socialite an extra candle and they should keep doing that every shovers afterwards they shall I'd an extra candle however you should know that sometimes that might make it even more difficult for the person who's lighting candles so it's going to be an enormous burden you don't have to do it mr. whole year yeah if it's going to be a burden if it's going to cause more problems then it's better not to it you should just carry on lighting shabbos candles as regular but if a person forgets and they want they should add another candle in just to remind themselves that they should have been a little bit more careful that's that's right but again not to like shadows candles after sunset what were you doing at bringing showers early now in most Western countries right when Chavez in the summer Chavez comes in late so for example in London it can come in at nine thirty at night maybe you can get that that can be you know sunset could be at nine thirty at night in the middle of the summer that's very late and all communities with the exception of Chabad all communities that I know of in England all bringing showers early during the summer what does it mean to bring in Chavez early so you need to understand the day is split up into different sections so we've got the morning we've got the afternoon that's a basic two dimensions of the daylight hours but there's also in the afternoon something called plug america plug a miniature is two-thirds of the way into the afternoon so far so good from plug a miniature onwards you can now bring in Shabbat that means now again you know what a word of introduction how are ours defined halacha CLE so ours are not 60 minute blocks but rather ours are defined by taking the amount of daylight and dividing it by 12 so in the summer you're going to have long hours and in the winter you're going to have short hours right so for example you can have in the summer over here hours could be you know an hour hour could be 72 minutes long at the peak of the summer in the winter it could be 50 minutes long in England it becomes more extreme right because you've got much longer summer days right and it gets dog in the middle of the summer of the you know when it when the data the longest is going to get dark in London at a half past ten at night Thank Chavez will grind at half-past ten at night with that that's pretty late already the further north you get the more extreme things become so for example in gateshead which is at the in northern light in northern England shabbos goes out at quarter to twelve when it goes out at half-past ten in London it's going out at quarter to twelve in gate said there are places once you go into Northern Europe there are places where it becomes even more extreme until you get to places for example in Norway e which is called the land of the Midnight Sun where the Sun doesn't set at all that's a little bit complicated that's not for now we could talk about how you're supposed to deal with your days when you've got a situation like that but the bottom line is like this plug Aminta is always going to be moving because what are you doing you're taking the amount of daylight on every single day and dividing it by 12 and now it's true the difference between today and tomorrow is not going to be very extreme it may be a minute here and there but when you start doing it by the week especially when you're in a place like England where the differences are very marked week by week and you can have a 20-minute difference between when the Sun sets this week to when the Sun sets next week right so then plug America is going to be moving every week it's going to be moving along that means like this that when I was a kid growing up the communities that broaden shovers early it was always an eight o'clock since then I've noted interesting trend which makes perfect sense because eight o'clock can also be pretty late because you got a shawl and by the time you come back it's going to be late the kids are cranky right although the kids will be cranky anyway whatever and so now most communities bringing Chavez at half-past seven which is great that's a very nice time it's a very easy time to you know to make shove us with now what does it mean it means let's say plug a min because at seven-thirty you can now like your shabbos counters at seven-thirty you can't like them before but from 7 30 onwards you can light your chavez candles more importantly when the husband goes off to daven and to bring in shabbos with his community at seven-thirty the wife is not obligated to do so which means if she wants to carry on working inside of the house and finish up bits and pieces and lighter shovers candles a little bit later on she can do that that's absolutely fine because it's from plug a miracle onwards now interestingly enough in England in London anyway there are three services in the year in the middle of the summer we're 7 30 is a little bit too early and plug America is normally hovering around 20 28 so you need to take that into account as well right now because everything's on it's on a sliding scale that is such a mystery that's buddy for sure did get you know the differences between summer and winter with regards to daylight are in all this absolutely enormous also when you change the clocks of things you come even more they become even more extreme right so it means i'll share this motzei shabbos are changing the clogs and everything's going to go back an hour and then all of a sudden ever everything is going to be so instead of shoppers coming at five thirty is gonna come in at four thirty that was like a big you know yeah so i must questions better we went on a shabbaton weekend in somerset months oh yeah and on a coach leaving from golders green 14 15 and we got stuck in terrible traffic without about the creature on the tickle on turning wind up in wales how they say well just are you very pretty as well as yeah turn around and go back anyway I was like the magic on the couch and I was leading with the rabbis who were already at the house they've hired good and they we were they said it was looking likely that our coach would be arriving pits on so after shabbos yeah and they were frantically like throwing around different rabbis and they then they told me that they managed to get hold of a rabbi in LA who told them that there was some leniency that enabled us to accept shabbos later but you can't just shopping around for it Oh hold on a second he was in the summer were you were you going to be traveling after the time that everyone brings in shabbos or after sunset after the time on our shadows app it said so what Papa seven writing time half or 70 it was it was when I would have been the tundish of us came in it was a sunset you took my sunset let me write this kind of Twilight hours it was it was well you're lucky you're lucky they didn't follow me yeah because I would I would have told them that what needs what what needs to be done in those situations is that the bus needs to get as close as it can get to where you are before sunset and then just before sunset fools you should you should all get off the bus and walk even even it don't take anything with you leave everything on the bus let they let the bus driver take the bus to where it's going to and let him I guess he'll have to be paid a little bit more but get him to unload the bus and to get everything off of it and all the people would need to walk to wherever you're going to see I'm not convinced because the people on the bus were not sure michalis so I mean it up when I wasn't sure my service and there was no bail on that bus that we know people who had this sparring to keep shabbos there was no one who was strictly shomer shabbos right and I was wondering whether it was a kind of leniency for the sake of care of kind of attitude I'm not entirely sure well i don't know then to speak to the person and I later find out exactly what he was basing his ruling upon but it's it's a very it's a very innovative ruling that's for sure it could be that he's working on the premise that nobody's doing anything you're on the bus the bus drivers driving you're not you want no one's actively doing anything on that bus and then when you get to your destination is there room for leniency again I would have I would have said no I would have said you know tell the fellow who put his foot down and get as close as you and you to where you're supposed to be and then just walk the last it away i don't agree with it got there if we try to walk well actually you know what the middle of nowhere because of distance or because not knowing the way right we wait a little bit country side yeah yeah i don't know i mean you could out you could have I'm gonna get class a bus to drive along with you if there was a problem of it is just a case of you know walking for half an hour to get to where you need to get to and I'm just not going the way so you know follow the bus tell him to drive slowly and you can all just walk along together with the bus bus your gear and accomplice to combustion hahaha carbon footprints huh combustion dear cousin slippery touch services in a locket well that's the problem with being in a car is eagerly combustion I mean again and I ran by the magnetic stirrer doing anything if you're if you're not adjourned if you're on the bus already right before shabbos came in and you're not doing anything a non-jew is driving the bus right and you're not doing anything so what what what combustion you're doing what a scene at that point you can be a nightmare in silver stay with us yes so I'm again I'm a little uh I'm not worried breaking shabbos if you're not doing anything around the broth before it came in yeah so I tell you ate that there there are various her logic dimensions over here one of them is something called tongue Chavez which is being outside of a specific area before shabbos comes in and moving into the tongue shoppers that could be one problem another problem could be getting off the bus which is it's one thing to be on the bus a bus may be considered to be its own we should it so how do you say we shoot domain thank you maybe the bus is considered be its own domain right there's a problem with getting out of that domain into another domain on shabbos if there's no era of over there to let you get out from one to the other I mean I can I can think of that you know I can I go I need a few a few issues over here that would need to be ironed out maybe the simplest thing is to say they found a rabbi now lady said why it's not Chavez here yet so you know her hurt I'm just the reasoning at the time and I wonder whether it was like they did a bit I don't know whether yeah because I'm being on a bus is equivalent if if its own area is it going to being in a house and if you the engineer compost tea lights turning on and off they using an electric switch yeah but over here again what was the chat you're not you're not it's as if you've got it's as if you've got a non-jewish maid who comes into the river puts on the light yeah so so again I think the combustion is I don't think you need to be concerned about the combustion over here if you're not you're not driving the bus you're just talking about get into a car with always don't turn on and have somebody else straight up and drive you so you can have a driver then before shabbos you can't do this on Chavez that's for sure not because first of all it in general there's a halacha which says that it's forbidden for a non-jew to do something specifically for you which is forbidden for you to do all right so if you've got a non-jewish maid who walks into your house right into your room and she puts on the light because she's got to see what she needs to do and you just happened to be sitting over there now you can read the you know that foolish that you're dying to read that's fine but if you say to if you saved on Jewish made you say listen you know can you put the lights on that's a problem maybe you can say to her wasn't kind of dark in here yeah okay so she picks up the hint she picks up the hint and if she doesn't she doesn't what's the lights on okay you specifically asked could please don't turn the lights off oh yeah because they're not they're not doing anything right you see the difference between us right you said it didn't do the two which means that the light is on oh do me a favor on your way out could you just leave leave the light on don't don't don't switch or too many videos oh I'm driving that way anyway jump in the back there's that there's a again how many prohibition song do you want me to come up with I mean the first proposition of course the problem that the lights coming on when you open the door right switch oh that's different which means if you're opening the door to get into the car and closing the door why can't they open do it for you they're just being a gentleman maybe your lady I thought you would never notice there is there is an additional problem over here which is a problem which fits across not just shove as it fits across almost everything we do which is a concept which is very very fundamental very important called merit I earn merit iron is doing something which is permissible but which looks wrong so for example the classic example that's given of Mara Zion is when on shabbos and Chavez you're walking down the street on showers and you go into the store to find out what the time is right and nobody realizes i see ok oh you know I saw so it's all going in and he went in today I saw me waiting today you know to the into the grocery over there I saw him you ready by sings on Chavez I know what's the pod did you do anything wrong you didn't do anything wrong you wanted to find out the time that's all you did right you didn't you didn't you didn't transgress anything right but it's a problem in the eyes of the people that are watching you and before you say ah but they should be judging me favorably yes you judge you favored me so before you say ah they should be judging me favorably you're right of course they should but most people don't right which means you've got to be careful what you do also is it not that it might confuse someone that's like just learning to keep yes yeah they might know it's okay to go yeah shots oh yeah yeah but then yours so basically if you have a driver's car you're not bringing Travis if you have a drive the probably the driver's car is although i see i see it as being less problematic chavez wife for the problem the problem with the driver's car is you get in and you say to the car take me to shul no you programmed before you get into sure before i was getting for Chavez says that you program your old timers oh so it's going anyway regardless of where it never huh the old car is going to show you program it to get ashore but that's great so send the car ashole instead of you and you can stay in bed haha not breaking shadows by doing that you know what I don't know it needs to be looked at this is a brand new technology right but it definitely needs to be looked at it's a fascinating idea what happens what happens here let's say let's say when driving as cars become the norm so maybe we don't have we don't have any need of more assigned anymore right because everybody knows it is a driverless car right now it might still be a problem because you're getting in the car now what no one's looking to see you are drive your honor the drive that you see you in the car no modern refers there's there's no combustion everything's transistorized but everyone agrees that you can't use it alone I've heard that's not necessarily the same reason and one of the reasons given is that you're making your phones do work for you and it's a modern animal yeah I don't know I I would say that this first of all I would say you know what maybe with their there's another dimension of Chavez called abdullah hall which is not doing things not doing weekday things on Chavez now I don't know about the car when when drivers cars become the norm and when the technology is such that maybe maybe there is no problem over here with with obvious Hillel Chavez of transgressing Chavez then at that point the rabbi's you know the hierarchical authorities you have to sit down and work out whether it's okay it's not okay it's a fancy it's a fascinating thing I don't I don't we're not there yet it's going to take I think it's going to take you know maybe less but you know a few decades I think until we've worked out exactly what's going on but you know what I'm it's a shame at that point where after I have to work it out it could be you know I imagine it could be that at some point in the future we won't be able to walk drive to show on Chavez know the spirit service no it's not in this photo Chavez but again it's interesting going back going back to rough voice you're fine i was just going to say going back to have moisture function and said not to use a timer switch on Chavez because it's not in the spirit of Shabbos so here you know what maybe at some point right so maybe at some point they'll be I'm sure I'm sure there'll be an enormous debate some people will say like this some people would say like that and ultimately or five having finance which is not that I know of but nobody alive today is willing to admit that they're hiring every binnacle soars to the side there now that's not true whatwhat's high enough to overrule you can't overall something which has been ruled from before but it's not it's not correct because in up every generation has to grapple with whatever's happening in its generation and you can't have the halacha cathode is getting up and saying well you know I wish I knew what to tell you but you know I can't we just we're not big enough to make these decisions because the decisions have to be made so when I asked my first got here I asked why is there something in the sitter directly addressing the tragedy of the Holocaust as we did for the ones where you know you had to beat the bodies it didn't rock free money yeah and every year I got is that there is no rabbi things that they are behind of level to decide something to be added to the sitter yeah so that's that's that's something which is very it's a very different classification the sitter was introduced by the men of the great assembly the men of the great assembly were going back now to the end of the first Temple period in the beginning of the Second Temple period we're talking about a body of sages of 400 plus sages who were imbued with rafa college with divine inspiration when they put together that fillers that we have they're putting together something which is it's something which it it covers everything that we need inside of the inside of the format of filler now to come along and say we should add to this or we should change this that's something which is very difficult to do [Music] look I'd ID added in again into where it depends where you want to put this in if you want to put it into benching it's a problem because the beginning of benching is mandated by the turret so you can't replay around with that if you want to put it into the army de it's a problem because that's from something up from the men of the great assembly if you want here for it I'll give an example and if you take a look in the keynote which are the lamentation that are recited on the 9th of right so you'll see over there to key not that were added in recently about the Holocaust and it's interesting if you read the introduction over the articles got a very interesting introduction we're both both the rabbi's that wrote the keynote neither and arrived today but both of them were very very great rabbis in the generation and both of them said that they were reluctant to do so at the beginning because they felt that they didn't have the they didn't have the poetic ability to express what it was that they were trying to say until they realized that there was there was a pressing need so they they added them in so inside is something like Enoch where we're sitting down and with it we were mourning not just the destruction of the temple we're morning everything that's happened to the Jewish communities over all the jet all the generations for sure over there it's fine to put something in and if somebody wants to add one you know even eat something even more current about all the terrible you know the terrible tragedies that have taken place in the Land of Israel over the last you know 20 years or whatever it is so for sure it's okay to do that we added the prayer for the royal family prayer for the royal family has been in for a long time right but it's bending you know it's all over Europe it's been in for a long time that's something which is already already the the mandate to put in the prayer is something which has existed for you know for thousands of years but it's interesting ways where is it put in it's putting in a place which is not considered to be prayer that was introduced by the men of the great assembly which means a lot simpler to add in a prayer over there then somewhere else so prayer is one thing right how locker is something else we don't have the luxury of being able to say wow I wish I knew what the locker was for this but I don't you know which is we're too small in this generation to know because what do you mean we've got to know persons got to know whether it's okay or it's not okay and that's why when we get to it whenever it is and however many however many years how many decades it is that illogical authorities are going to have to sit down and work out what is a holic definition of a driverless car [Music] their decision be considered a hash kappa no so while we're here it will be at the end it will be halacha will would be lots of hash gafas blending its way through yeah for sure scot free zygier and you know it I got a world view how'd it what do you call it well well chang chong guang guang how do you say that oh there yeah there's something some happy there's some incredible word in German that for hash coffer well well well couch from something like that ease know that that that's it that's a dim sum chinese chinese is fried wontons whatever you know i know i know lots of Chinese words I really do all right you know Peking Duck but you're here which means like this that the it's almost impossible to separate hash golfer from our locker but at the end of the day I need to know what I can and can't do right so I need it I need a yes or a No okay well on that on that definitive note right we're going to stop over here I say yes although I did see I did see a bumper sticker in London once we said the answer is maybe and that's final [Music] you