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S2 Episode 1: The Ultimate SNF & ALF Podcast ft. Ryan Harris
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Welcome to THE ULTIMATE SNF & ALF PODCAST hosted by Berel Solomon. This is the only podcast for the Skilled Nursing and Assisted Living Industry, hosted by Healthcare Marketing aficionado Berel Solomon. Our first episode features Ryan Harris, Marketing Director for Solstice Senior Living.
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All right, so we are about to begin.
You're good. You're ready? I was born
ready. Oh man, good guy.
All right, welcome everybody to the
ultimate SNF and ALF podcast. So excited
to have you guys here. Today we have a
very special treat. We have a champion,
a superstar in the making and his name
is Mr. Ryan Harris. He comes from an
incredible company, Solstice Senior
Living and what these guys do is they
take care of people in the best possible
way. Ryan is the
he's a senior director of sales and
marketing for the company. He's a
champion. He has a great story and
today's podcast we're going to be
talking about his story. We're going to
be talking about marketing, how to
market facilities and communities in the
best way and we're going to be talking
about some of the challenges that the
industry is facing today. So thank you
so much for joining us Ryan. I really
appreciate it.
It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure. I like
your energy and I I was showing some
people around the office. They they they
everyone will know your name fairly soon
but
definitely were like this guy's got the
same energy as you have and I was like I
don't know man. This guy
he's he's next level so we appreciate
that. I appreciate that too man. Do you
actually have the the little thing that
I sent you today? I got it. I got it
right here. It's uh
fantastic. Look at this thing. Beautiful
man. You open it up. Boom.
Look at that.
Nice.
Mr. Harris, how you doing? Daryl Solomon
here. I'm so excited for
Hey, I know that my name on it. It's
amazing. I love it. I love it. Personal.
Cool. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for that love. I
really appreciate that. So Ryan, I just
want to ask you a few questions for our
viewers today because everybody wants to
hear what you got to say.
I just want to first ask you, you know,
how did you get started
in the in the senior in the senior care
senior care market?
I would say I always tell people it's
been about nine years or so. I don't
want to date myself but
you know,
I got started my grandfather actually
had Lou Gehrig's
disease ALS. I didn't I didn't make the
distinction between the two. I didn't
know it was you know, one in the same
and especially during the ice bucket
challenge and all that most recently. So
so nine years ago he he comes down with
this you know, horrible horrible
disease. It moved very fast and so we
had to look for a place. You know, he's
losing his motor skills.
He's cognitively you know, it started
with mild cognitive and then went to
full on dementia. You know, he at least
he knew I was family but he would my my
uncle Stewart, he thought I was my
uncle. Right? Well, so that was pretty
tough going through that seeing that and
that's your almost that that was well,
that was 15 16 years ago. Sorry and
so that's like kind of the first thing
is you know, taking care of grandpa
until we could find him basically a
place where he could go and and have the
one-on-one. So took care of him. I took
care of my dad who was also sick and had
a bone marrow disease. Yeah and he was a
teacher and he was he was a landscape
architect guy and
he didn't use gloves and it got in his
bloodstream this benzene product and he
got very sick and ended up passing away
too. So you know, taking care of my two
favorite people, it just came naturally
naturally to me.
I was in I was working for radio at
Entercom. I was
doing promotions and I just graduated
with a sound engineering degree of all
things
because life is short. You should do
what you want to do and music was was my
passion. It still is. Uh
So
you know, the radio
it was looking pretty pretty dim for a
little bit. You know, we have Pandora,
we got I Heart Radio coming out, you
know, Spotify. And so you know, I was
talking to a guy and the guy is like
you're not going to make a lot of money
unless you get into management. You
know, going on and being a radio
personality was something that I felt
like I needed to do when I was younger
and he he just took me aside and said
listen, I cannot pay for my kids
education for this and that. So anyways,
I get into senior living. I take the
first job I can get, right? And it's in
it's in the kitchen. Like I'm serving
tables. Like this is years ago.
And the one thing I I wanted to do as I
said, you know, I'll take the job, you
know, as long as I can as long as you
guys promote from within. You know, so I
just kind of moved up the ranks over an
extended period of time. So over
eight years each year I was just doing a
different job.
And
you know, most recently over the last
few years I've gotten into sales and
excelled because I've always been man, I
was I was the guy even though I wasn't a
salesperson salesperson wasn't
available, they'd come get me and I was
the driver. You know, what I'm saying or
a med tech or the engage life director,
you know, which is like a activities
director on steroids, right? And I was
the one I would go take them over to the
apartments. I would sign them up. I'd
have those hard conversations with
family, you know, the something needs to
change conversations and it's something
I've been comfortable with and
so it's I've had the highest honor of
helping out seniors and taking care of
seniors for a long period of time and
that's something it's something that I
figured, you know, if I'm going to do
something, you got to be the best and I
love it. Good for you man. Good for you.
And could you could you tell us some of
what some of your responsibilities, some
of your roles over at Solstice right
now? What what you're you know, what
you're charged with there?
Oh my goodness gracious. Yeah, right.
There's always what's in the job
description and then there's a little
bit extra too. So what I really like
about this is it's so it's sales and
marketing. So I also I set appointments.
I meet with families. I go do home
visits. I go to the skilled nursing
facilities or the SNFs as we call them
out here in the wild wild west.
Hospitals, you know, I go to their
houses, things like that. So lots of
visits, appointments
but my favorite thing is marketing and
advertising and actually what
goes into the advertising and I have
what's really cool about about the
company that I'm currently working for
Solstice is they give us autonomy. They
don't tell us well, you're running an ad
here or you're doing this and that. They
they kind of let us do what we want to
do and that's what I went to school for.
I mean
who who said who can who can say that
they went to school for something and
actually use it these days? Like barely
anybody.
You know. You're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right. So you're
you're very you're involved in the
marketing. You're involved in client
acquisition. You're involved in getting
you know, people into your facility,
right? That's one of your one of your
tasks.
Any which way any any way I do it, you
know, as long as it's moral, you know,
as they say and and yeah, absolutely.
I'm a census
driver. You know, get this thing to 100%
with a wait list. That's what that's
what any community could ask for.
Absolutely. Love that and you know, I
say all the time to our clients that you
know, much more than a video production
company, much more than an ads company
or a video brochure company, we're a
census driven company because you at the
end of the day, that's where everything
starts and that's where everything ends,
right? If there's no if there's no
clients, if there's no residents, if
there's no patients, nobody's getting
the care and everything stops. So that's
where everything begins.
You know, another thing too what I
really enjoy is you know, it's really
important to be good to your employees,
right? It's good to be good to your your
sometimes they're fam
sometimes they become family. You work
with these people like you know, I've so
I'm nothing without my frontline staff.
I'm nothing without my direct lines up,
right? So what's the best way you can
take care of somebody is make sure they
have enough hours. Their hours don't get
cut. You know, so it's not just the
residents that we affect. It's the
employees that we you know, we affect in
that way too. So you know, I I make sure
this place is full. We got enough hours
for everybody and then not only that is
it rolls. It's just like this effect
like a domino effect in a good way where
they can have enough money to take care
of their family. So they can you know,
they can bank on that. Good man. So take
care take care of your people. I love
it. Absolutely. So I want to ask you
some questions here. So what
what is what is what have you seen is
your best method for attracting new rate
new residents and new patients into your
into your community?
The best method I would say are you
know, you you got to throw a really
large events
every so often.
So it's good to have little events here
and there and and and I know going and
promoting it at the senior centers and
going and calling your industry friends
and you know, going outside the box and
inviting community people to
the churches, all those different things
and inviting them in. The one thing you
want to do is you want to get somebody
into your community. You want to get
somebody into your business, you know,
or on the phone in a lot of cases too.
I've done a tour with FaceTime and sold
them
from states away, you know, and you just
do what you have to do.
And so getting in front of them, showing
off what you have, showing off your
culinary. That that's was my favorite
thing. That's always my favorite thing
is obviously the food, right? People are
going to come if you put food and drink
in front of them. Yeah. Oldest trick in
the book. Oldest trick in the book,
baby. You sell sell with the food,
right? Get something that they're going
to want to come out for and
and show off your best thing. Make sure
that community is looking good and get
all your directors there and and have a
good time. It's all good. That that's
you know, benefits everybody. So you'd
say events is a is a strong way one of
your strongest attractors for for for
residents, new residents and new
patients?
Yeah, so so one of the things too is is
the the community that I'm currently in
right now, my home base is Normandy
Park. It's just outside of Seattle.
Um
a lot of the referrals actually come
from the residents. So, I take that
marketing money and I I have mixed
events where I have some, you know,
industry folks come in. I have their
family come in and we know we have throw
a nice event for the residents on top of
the other stuff going on. And uh we've
had, I don't know, about six friends of
residents move in over the last 6
months. That's 20%, you know, 15% of my
business right there.
Wow, that's amazing. That's amazing.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
So, uh also also maintaining, uh you
know, there's the referral uh things
too. Of course, you always want to grow
things organically, right?
Yep.
So, so you don't have to pay for a
referral source or anything like that.
So, that doesn't always happen for all
communities. There's different sizes of
communities. There's different, you
know, for skilled nursing, assisted
living, memory care, all those different
things too. The last thing that I mean,
what sometimes if you get a qualified
lead, right? Say it's a place for mom or
caring.com or there's a thousand
different Sometimes they're referral
agents or well, you know, agencies.
Right, right. So, so sometimes you got
to pay for these qualified leads, you
know, they've already talked to them.
They know that they can financially
uh they have the insurance uh you know,
if it's skilled nursing or if it's
assisted living or memory care,
long-term care and insurance um that
their finances are cuz these things are
expensive. All of this costs lots of
money. Yeah.
it is not free. No, I mean, that that is
You get what you pay for. Yeah, yeah. I
hear you, man. Solid. So, that's great.
Um I want to ask you what what do you
what Here's another question for you.
What is the biggest problem um that you
are facing
getting a little personal here that you
are facing in terms of census
um that you're that you're seeing.
Uh status quo. So, you know, them
staying at home.
So, it really, you know, I I was looking
at your different podcasts, crushing the
competitor and things like that. I love
it. I love
Oh, you saw that one. Busted. I'm
busted.
Yeah, right? So, how do we crush the
competitor? How do we do that, you know?
Um the competitor is them staying at
home and thinking they're safe right
there.
very interesting, actually. That's I
never heard anyone say it. Your biggest
competitor is them staying at home.
Yes, so
That's a very very very intelligent um
an intelligent point. I appreciate that.
Yeah, so so what does that mean? Let's
break that down. Um you know, so they're
at home. Um yes, you can get in-home
care. Um yes, you can have home health
come in and and uh do those kind of
things. Yes, you can get, you know,
let's go down the rabbit hole even
further. Say you need an X-ray or like a
urinalysis cuz you have a urinary tract
infection, right? And that could cause
major confusion. You know, one just
totally out of character, you know, oh,
mom wasn't like this before. You know,
you can get all that done in the
household, absolutely. Um but um you
know, what happened and you can have a
companion one-on-one, but you know,
that's that's very spendy. So, if you
want to kind of if you don't have the
money to do that, um you can come to a
community. You can get the same exact
thing done. It can be done in in one of
these atmospheres here where they have
the nurse oversight where they can get
the care.
Major thing, number one, socialization.
Could you imagine if you went to work by
yourself and didn't contact anybody all
day
at all? Wow.
That would be horrible, you know? Yeah.
So, imagine waking up and just walking
outside your your apartment door and you
got
stuff going on good stuff going on. You
got seated exercise, chair chi, that's
the thing. It's tai chi in the chair.
You got I like that. It's cool.
Yeah, you got uh trivia things going on.
You can go on trips and all these
different things and you're meeting
you're socializing with these people,
you know, with all these layers of
dimensions in the
um to where they're going to not be
alone. They're going to have
stimulization, you know?
And uh they're using their brain.
Wow, I love that. I love that. That's
very cool.
So, biggest competitor is staying at
home. Um you mentioned a place for mom,
you know, they're the elephant in the
room.
Um
or you know, there's definitely there's
definitely other ones as well. How has
your experience been with outside
companies in terms of helping you guys
build census?
Yeah, definitely some some are better
than others um and then also coming from
California, working in Oregon and then
now in in Washington, pretty much all
along the West Coast there, um there's
there's uh kind of um
I don't know, a consensus that they are
better in different regions for
different companies. So, um you know,
say caring.com is better down south in
Southern California and maybe a place
for mom is a little bit better up here.
What am I What am I saying there? I'm
saying that, you know, qualifying So,
say somebody says, "Well, I really like
the big library. I need to be close to
the water."
Um and then it has to be, you know,
"I don't like this hospital. I like this
hospital." Whatever specialist.
Some of sometimes they'll just get too
many leads, you know, and that's bad for
the industry because they're really
going to these people as the specialist
saying,
"I have these three or four needs. These
four things need to happen. Can you give
me um some communities, you know, do the
legwork
so I can go and pre-qualify these
communities for these families, like
communities like mine, to where it's
going to be a good fit? Because fit is
huge." Yep.
Absolutely. Absolutely, totally agree
with you.
Cool.
What would your number one
um advice be? I mean, you're in you're,
you know, head of sales and marketing.
Um
what is your number one advice to all
the other people who are in sales and
marketing in the SNF and the ALF
industry?
Ah.
I guess um
for for the entire industry, what's
what's like my biggest I guess
for anybody in relating it that it
relates to sales and marketing for ALFs
and SNFs. Yeah, what would that What is
your What is your number one advice
you've accumulated over all your over
all of your years of experience?
Following up. Following up. Follow
through.
And um I I feel like that's probably the
biggest thing. If you don't call
somebody back, if you don't you say,
"I'm going to call you at 2:00 or I'm
going to meet you here and that." Just
make sure you do it. Um you would be
surprised
uh who doesn't call people back, you
know? If you don't call somebody back,
then that pretty much is telling them
that we don't want your business or I'm
too busy for you. Wow. You know, I love
that I love that advice cuz it's it's
simple.
It's actionable and it's something that
people could take for granted. It's not
something fancy like geo-targeting and
this and that. Just follow up, return a
phone call, be available, and follow up.
You know, in sales, I know it's a little
bit different, but in sales, we we have
a saying that the money's in the
follow-up.
Um a lot of people get excited about
that when that referral comes in and
it's fresh and it's new, but but any
good salesperson knows or marketing
person knows that it's in that it's in
that second, third, fifth, sixth, 10th
touch, 12th, yeah.
Well, the average is 12 for a move-in.
It's 12 12 communication, whether it's a
text, an email, a call, 12 on average.
Yeah, because people could be getting,
you know, incredible leads. Their lead
source could be great. Their sales and
marketing team are, you know, great at
driving those leads, but if nobody's
there following up and making, you know,
bringing them home, um then they're
they're being wasted. So, I love that.
Simple, actionable. Thank you for that.
And my last question to you Ryan is And
this has been great. I've really enjoyed
this and you've been awesome.
Um
is what
Where do you see the future of the
industry going in the next 5 10 years?
Yeah, I I I uh hear I don't know lots of
different sources uh 17 years, you know,
almost 20 years it's supposed to be
really good. I've I've uh I've heard
that, you know, there's literally only
one other industry and it's warehouse
fulfillment, like Amazons and stuff like
that. Um you know, so senior living is
is literally the number two thing you
could even invest in yourself right now,
like a real estate investment trust. So,
it's huge right now. Jimmy Buffett's got
his thing going down and uh it's
Florida. It's got the wait You know,
when Jimmy gets in, it's time to get in.
Oh my god, right? Yeah, so so literally,
like if you want to be ahead of the
curve, you know, uh you got to make
these places fun. And 30 years ago, when
you think of these places, like uh they
were just they called them all
convalescent homes. I mean, they were
all places terrible Yeah, isn't that
horrible? A place where you go to die?
Why would you ever want to Yeah.
So, so uh whether it's a sniff, a
skilled nursing uh facility, an assisted
living uh community,
uh independent living community where
I'm at right now or senior living or
some places are tri-level where it's
independent, assisted, and memory care,
and some of them even have the skilled
nursing on the same campus, it's got to
be fun. It has to be fun because we can
do that. Why would you not make things
fun? Why wouldn't you have some kind of
attraction, you know what I'm saying?
With activities and trips and just kind
of
just a little bit of variety. I mean,
that that's that's if that's the ahead
of the curve thing and that's where
we're going to see things go.
Um and that's probably the most
important thing to focus on, especially
all these folks, you know, getting into
this game. Maybe they're coming from
just straight real estate or other
industries cuz it's lucrative right now.
Please, if you're out there, please make
these places fun. It's it's better for
the sales people, it's easier to market,
funner to market, and imagine yourself
living at these places. You want people
saying, "Oh, you're going to so-and-so?
You're going to that place? You're going
to go to Solstice?
Ah, I wish I could do that."
You know? That's what you want.
Beautiful. Beautiful. There you have it,
folks. You heard it from the man
himself, Mr. Ryan Harris, senior
director of sales and marketing at
Solstice Senior Living. Thank you so
much for your time. I really appreciate
it. This has been amazing. If you guys
need to reach out to him,
you can find him on LinkedIn, Ryan
Harris, super available. Anywhere else
you would like for them to to to follow
you?
Uh no, that's it, man. Just you can find
me on LinkedIn right now, and otherwise
I just got a bunch of family stuff on
the Facebook and Instagram. Awesome.
Let's keep it LinkedIn. All right, man.
Thank you so much for your time again.
Looking forward to to God willing work
God willing working with you guys in the
future, and
let's let's let's keep the industry
strong. Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you very much. You guys have a
great one. All right, man. Be well. All
right, you too. Bye.