Rolls, Rules & Rugelach with Rabbi Eliezer Krohn Shiur on Pas Habah B’Kisnin

ready. >> Yeah. >> Okay. To everybody. Um for having me. My name is Ali Cron. I live in Pic. Um it's uh it's a pleasure to be back. I've given Shirum here in the past. Um another building I think last time fertility treatments in hala was part one and part two were another building before I gave a sh here once in this place this building on yeah that was quite some time ago okay very good it was years ago um so uh to be able to learn together it's a it's a and it's a pleasure um so I'm told you guys are learning started you finished but you're learning so you'll correct me on any any mistakes that I make and uh we'll go through tonight in the the time that we have the the in a nutshell of and we'll try to come out with some practical at the end with different different types of of of foods. So foods that are so what would you think cookies cakes pretzels what braha would you think would they be? They come from wheat, barley, rye, spelt, and oats. Those are the five grains. So, a person wouldn't be foolish to think that they're they grow from the ground. And really, technically, they should be we'll talk about granola bars all the way at the end, but they're grows from the ground. However, the garra says that if you have any food from the five grains that are baked or cooked, so that becomes more and the is upgraded is not good enough anymore because it was baked or cooked and now it became more. So the question is what does it become? It's not anymore. Obviously it's not. Obviously it's not. Obviously it's not. So there's only two choices left. It's either or. So the says it depends if it becomes a meal type of pass. The translation of the word pass is bread but it means it's a general term of pass. If it's a meal type of pass then what do we call that? That's called if it's a meal type of pass. If it's a snack type of pass it says that's not that's called. So is so the translation of is a snack type of pass and that's a meal type of pass is and surprise surprise the garra doesn't explain what is what is a snack type of pass all we know so far is that it comes in the five grades it comes from me wheat barley rice belt or oats but what categorizes something as a snack type of pass and what categorizes something as a meal type of pass so it says That says three opinions. Three opinions in what exactly is that's only a snack and only opinion number one is a dough in the already. A dough that is filled with fruit. You have a dough. It's a pass [clears throat] and right a kiss. What's a kiss is that it's a pocket, right? A pocket is a kiss. So it's a pocket. It's a dough but it's made with a pocket and there's it's filled with um with fruit. So that's and that's only what are some examples of foods that we could think of that is a dough and it's a pocket and it's filled with fruit. What's a good example? >> Strudel. >> Strudel is a good example. It's good. Strudel is what else? >> Purum wasn't that long ago. >> Hamas is a perfect example. Mama pie prunes or apricots. um apple pie, cherry pie, blueberry pie. It's a dough. It's a pass. The crust comes off the sides and it's filled with fruit. Cherry is blueberry, something like that. So, opinion number one says that's passed and that's a snack type of pass. And that's only um that's only now the Misha says that you can't just put put in a little bit of fruit. Has to be that the fruit is like the dominant taste. If the fruit is the dominant taste, I see you're opening up a mishab. So that's a and that's considered um a snack type of pass is a major in opinion number one um filled with fruit. Let's say it's not filled with fruit. It's filled with something else. It's it's a it's a dough, but it's filled with meat or it's filled with cheese or sauce or vegetables. Is that included in opinion number one? Again, whatever opinion number one says is it's a snack type of pass. Okay. But is it only fruit? Let's say it's something else. If you got there yet, you saw the but how do we pass in? Only have 45 minutes tonight. How do we pass in? Says the beer. Says the mur. It's extremely how we pass in. You know what the answer is? It depends. Is it a meal type of pass or is it a snack type of pass? If it's a snack type of pass, it's going to be misinus. If it's a meal type of pass, so then it's going to be hami. So let's give some examples of opinion number one. A dough filled with not fruit. We gave those examples already. What about franks and blankets? Anybody knows what franks and blankets are? I'm just coming from I made it at the tippy tippy end of the board. So I I quickly took some there were little franks and blankets. What did I make? It's a dough filled with meat. What >> shahak? No is always if that's there for taste. I don't know if you learned yet but is always the so it's either it's not it's either or which one is it but >> standing >> it's standing okay we'll get to that good you already few steps ahead so that's a mazinus the place come assume that it's misinus it's a snack get the puff pastry also we have to get to so it's a snack you just grab one or two and if nobody's looking you take like three or four and and good and now that's a snack type of pass we assume that that's misinus what about a cheese Danish it's easy one what profess cheese Danish it's a dough filled with cheese but that's misinus Cuz it's a snack. You grab it on the go. You have You come home from school. You want a snack. You have a cheese danish. That's considered a snack. What about a potato kesh? >> It's a dough filled with potatoes. What bro is a potato kish? Sorry. You hope I'm not going to say hami. A lot of people, a lot of kids, a lot of girls like it. They bring it to school. They or I'll eat it for lunch. I come home. It's an easy lunch. You pop it in the microwave. It's it's an easy lunch. The place seem to assume that it's a that it's misinus. Not so not so it's not so clear to me why exactly it's maz but say you grab a potato you better you go to a restaurant I know my father a lot of times we went to pizza I grew up in Q gardens my father my parents still live in Q gardens you go to Qan Hills is pizza shops my father likes potato kishes he always I got a slice of pizza he got a potato kesh that was his summer that was his lunch but I don't know I think a lot of places can say rab forest he got only one yeah he got only [laughter] one um rab forest bner and the kaz book they all says evidently they hold that it's hey you grab a ped on the go okay now we still have to talk about let's say I take a pass of a snack type of pass and I eat it as a meal does that change the we'll have to get there but right now if you take one kesh you take one franks and blankets one or two franks and blankets or cheese danish and we assume that's all included in in opinion number one and that's going to be mis so far so good >> in number one aside from foods and veteran foods would be sugar or anything sweet as well right >> well It's going to be opinion number two very soon. >> No fil meaning sold >> if it's filled. Yes. If it's filled with that also. Yeah. If it's filled like that it will be the same idea. So that you're not a suda on usually. >> The cow zone the same thing. >> Oh got the cow zones. Very good. You want to get the cowzones now ready? You got the cow zones. Cow zone >> of you tell me. Let's go. What's going on? >> That cow zones can be. >> What? >> Okay. Calone could be >> a cow zone is that could be a cal zone. You're 100% right. own. You go to a pizza store and instead of a slice of pizza, which we didn't get to pizza yet, don't we can't jump the gun. >> What? >> Why not? >> Why not? What? >> Why can't we? >> Well, get the pizza cuz I want to say opinions two and three before you get the pizza. Um, but a calzone is hami because it's a meal type of pass. It's big. It's expensive. At least I'm saying it's expensive. And it's like it cost the same price I think of like two slices of pizza. It's a meal type of pass. Let's face it. It's a meal type of pass. Kzones will be. It's full of cheese and sauce and uh and broccoli and vegetables and something like that. But it's a meal type of pass should be how much? >> Yeah, mas. >> Good. That's opinion number one. >> What? >> Cheese pretzel. >> Uh cheese pretzel. Let's go. Let's hold off on that. And when we got the hot pretzels, we got the cheese pretzels. We'll see. Opinion number two says the is that it's a dough to pass, but it's it's needed not with water, but with a different liquid. What's a different what's an example of a different liquid? Let's say apple juice is a classic example nowadays. The doesn't say apple juice, he says fruit juice, honey, egg, something like that, but something instead of of water. The says, and that's how we pass that the the juice in order for it to be the juice that they use needs to be the dominant taste. You can't just put in a little bit of a little bit of apple juice. The juice needs to be the dominant taste. The way that explains Damo is that it's got to taste like a dessert food. It's got to taste like a cupcake. It's got to taste like a dessert food. It's so sweet and it just It's not a substitute for bread. It's not a sub bread is humming. It's not a substitute for bread, it's a it's a sweet type of of dough because it's made with that other juice. >> Um included in opinion number two. including opinion number two is even if it's made with just water but this is why I thought when you were touching before it's made with only water but you add a lot of sugar a lot of cocoa a lot of cinnamon that also nobody takes two rugal and puts peanut butter in between and makes a sandwich out of it it's not a substitute for bread >> yeah you do I have to I have to I have to remember I'm used to teaching girls so now I'm teaching guys it might be different eating habits um especially in a [clears throat] dorm late at night you know um but So what are some examples of opinion number two? So cake, muffins, cupcakes, cookies, those are all a sweet type of dough. They don't taste like a piece of bread. They're a sweeter type of dough. Bobka, chocolate bodka, cinnamon bobka, ragala, chocolate ragl, cinnamon ragal, those are all filled with lots and lots of sweet types of foods. And that makes it that it's not a substitute for bread. And says opinion number two, that's what that's considered also. What? >> Mini tavi. >> Yeah. Mini [clears throat] tavina. What about >> isn't that included in the concept? >> Could be. Yeah. It could be if you made it into it's not just a regular dry. >> Correct. So it has to be savory. It's not >> Yeah. Yeah. Opinion number three says >> into how how how to how much >> has to be the dominant taste. >> When you take a bite out of a chocolate cake or chocolate, you totally taste the chocolate. not >> it didn't say that some understand that and others that it means it doesn't mean basically the says it's not really question of it's it's got to be the dominant taste you could have it by that's exactly it right that Mr. Bru says Mr. Bru says here my extended notes Mr. Hebrew says that it could be less than. So you see the doesn't mean it means that it's very strong and it's the dominant taste. >> Who is this? >> Let me find it. The grass say means the say it doesn't depend on what's wrong. Has to be strongly tasted like that. The place says exactly very good. Spices. >> Spices. Right. Number three. What' you say? tobacco. >> Yeah. >> Many times it's the raw inside. >> It's the what? >> It's raw inside. Maintain raw. It's a raw layer. >> It's raw inside. It's gross to me. And I would never It's not It's not baked. It's not baked 100%. >> Okay. >> That would make it a misus or >> No. If it's edible, if it's edible, it's misus. If it's edible, it's cookie dough. The The girls in my class today were hacking me up about cookie dough. So, cookie dough is not edible. She's like, "What do you mean? We eat cookie dough all the time." I said, "You're eating something not edible." That's [laughter] it. And I told him the story says says toothpaste doesn't need extra fores. So they brought a dog and they brought toothpaste and they brought and he was eating he was eating the toothpaste. They said, "I see that the raw said see it's not." So I told the girls cookie dough is not raw. It's not edible and my kids eat and it's it's still you have a um a rugal that's a little raw inside. It's a doughy um that that's that would still be mish. Opinion number three is that um opinion number three is a dough a pass that's dry thin and brittle. It's like a crumbly type of bread. It's not the to be suda on that it's dry thin and brittle. What are examples of according to opinion number three? What do you say? Not kickl sorry kl flatbreads bread sticks biscuits pretzels crackers those are all included in opinion number three and our what's the famous question what about matzah why is matzahi if it seems to fit into opinion number three the answer is on matzah in my house I mean I hope my wife is not listening but in my house a lot of times oh we need we'll go to the cabinet then we'll take a matzah would never do that because it's not So why do Ashkanazm make a on matzah? What's the obvious answer based on what we've been saying? >> Cuz it was during days. >> No, it's not during that >> because it could because it's it's it's a meal type of pass. It's a meal. People take peanut butter or cream cheese and the jelly and they spread it on the mat. It's eaten as a meal type of pass and therefore hold on one second. And therefore it's considered unite the say I don't know what to tell you. It fits into opinion number three and it's visit. There is an opinion I think is the think if they have when is the only time that they make because it becomes the meal type of so that if it's left over they have leftover mat everybody has left over matzah after pes so does it go back to does it remain again form it's not relevant it's always considered >> those are he would have it as misus if it would be misus >> sorry >> he would have it not as a surah It would be nice. >> No. >> Catch 22. >> No, that's not true. Generally, what is matzah eaten as? Generally, matzah is eaten as a meal type of pass. >> Only what? >> Only before. >> No. If they come in a different packet and wrote crackers on it, then I'll be my favorite chicken. No, I'm talking about I'm not talking about me toast. I'm not up to right now. Later. It's it's matzah is the type of food that that's a meal type of fast. People take cream cheese and spread it on it. Don't worry about melt toast right now or crackers. Crackers are you got a cracker. You you could you could theoretically we have to talk about being a guy has to wash >> you won't have that as a snack. >> I know but that's because you don't want to wash and that's because we're we're nervous to make a commitment that I have to bench for three to four minutes. I always say the people that don't want to wash cuz they don't want to bench they're the ones that fly through benching. And the people that have no problem benching, they're the ones that take benching slowly and then >> okay if I had if I had a bowl of tuna and I wanted to have crackers or I could take one matzah and break it up and eat it up. They would be the same thing to them. >> It's about the D. It's about the D. It depends on what is the Derek. The Derek of crackers is Let me just grab the crack. Listen, I'm telling you the You going to argue with me that Ashaz really make you need to explain. We need to explain. We need to explain makes crackers and they make it's a fact. So what? Okay, fine. Sorry. [laughter] Okay, it's okay. So you're entitled 100%. But but but to talk and learning we have to understand. So that's that's chat. That's where that's where the come from. So how do we pass? >> Yeah. >> Get to wraps. You guys are going way ahead. >> That's not that's not number three. >> Um we'll have to see if it is part of number three. We'll see. We'll get there. >> Plenty of time. Um I have to stop my 45 no matter what. So we we'll get the wraps. We'll get the pizza. We'll get to everything. How do we pass him? Which one of these three opinions do we pass Mike? Do we make mazinus on hamatashen and cherry pie and apple pie and strudel? Do we make a mazinus on cookies, cakes, and cupcakes? Do we make mazinus on crackers and biscuits and flatbreads? Which one? So, you all know that we make maz [clears throat] on all three. Why do we make a mazinus on all three? So, there's two in the pisk. If you saw the already, so you know it already, but there's two. The one way to understand and most ways most understand like this and is that it's a three it's a three according to each opinion the other two opinions are if you would ask whatever the three opinions are they would say no no no what I tell you is the other ones are a meal type of pass and those are so so what do we do each one says the OTHER ONES I I PICK UP one of those foods I pick up a pretzel I pick up a cookie. I pick up a hamach. It's either mazinus or hami. Some one opinion says it's mazinus. Two opinions say it's maybe two out of three say it's if it fits two out of three. So what do you do? You have to make a brah. So what do you make? So the to make cuz it's better to make a mazinus on something that's really than to make on something that's really mus. So I don't know. It's a three. There's only two choices or you know let's just play it safe. Let's just make mus on all of them. Let's make on all them discusses that why you say fine there [clears throat] but we make that's one shot because just play it safe play you make a mus on all them covers for everything the other shot is that what's that there's no that all three opinions agree with each other they're just given different examples of what's possible with them but really they all agree that all three opinions are messianic then it makes a lot of sense why you make me misans because everybody agrees that it's all messianic This is going to make a tremendous >> namina. >> What? >> For the suda. What do you mean? >> Middle of the sun. >> In the middle of the suda. I'll say it better. >> Not the middle of the suda. But >> dessert. >> Dessert. Exactly. So we can get to that now. What's you have is weekday. Whatever it is. What's for dessert? Chocolate chip cookies is for dessert. What's do you make on that or not? If I pick up a chocolate chip cookie in the middle of nowhere, so I have to make a bra. So I make mazenus. make and not but I already made at the beginning of the sudo or or my husband made for me or my father made my host made for me but I already made I pick up a cookie for dessert it's either or if it's I already said I don't say another if it's then I should have to say that is a tremendous between those two according to the first mahal that it's and we don't know so okay you know you better play it safe. Make a maz but you can't make a on that because it might really be and you shouldn't be making a on it according to the second that all three opinions agree with each other. Everybody agrees it's everybody agrees everyone is so then you should have to make a so what's speaks the sound it's a complicated maybe let's let's make it simple all three >> ah very good says the place the doesn't really say this but we'll just make it simple [clears throat] we'll say it that if you have a that fits all three opinions then according to both everybody knows it's what's an example of a kiss that fits all three opinions. So the Rav Shiner says that apple pie, cherry pie, and blueberry pie, it's filled with fruit. That's obvious. It's a sweet type of dough. That's obvious. His is that the crust is considered like thin and dry and brittle. A little bit of And he says that therefore you would make only if you have a second condition also. Number one, it fits all three opinions. And number two is that you're eating it and you're not eating it. If you're eating it for satiating, you're still hungry. You don't want to tell you why, but you're still hungry a little bit. So then you wouldn't make a separate on it. But if you're eating it just cuz it's Kishmak and I love cherry pie. So I'm just going to have it for dessert. So it's latoo and it fits all three opinions. Then very possible you would have to make a separate um mazinus. Good. What about somebody mentioned this before so now's a good time to get >> mat would depend on this. >> Oh back to matzah. >> Yeah the that terrorist that we're giving. >> Yeah. Isn't it really you're saying like the second sound? >> The second sound. >> You're basically saying that because even though it fits category number three, you're doing it where it could be a suit. >> No, this not for me personally. Not for me personally. What type of food? No, in general. What type of food is matzah? Is matzah a meal type of box or is it a snack type? >> The state is basically saying that all the three things are just >> right. whether it's right so one of what's a snack type of >> box fit the category but we're saying it doesn't fit a sim right >> but if you hold the first that's this is not a s this is makes it possible >> yeah it still has to be a snack type of bass I hear you but even according to the first the first mahal it still has to be a snack type of bass and if we assume that it's a meal type of pass if assume it's a meal type of pass then it's not going to be there let's say I takeiston [clears throat] and I eat it as a meal. I do eat it as a meal. It's a snack type of house. I take a snack. A lot of people, I'm sure some of you over here, what's for breakfast? A Danish and a coffee. So, a Danish, we said, is a snack type of pass. No, but no, but this is my breakfast. If you ask the guy, did you skip breakfast? No, I didn't skip breakfast. I had a Danish and a coffee. What's that? If you take a snack type of pass and you eat it as a meal, it happens to guys in yeshiva. They don't like the food in yeshiva. So, they go to the they go to the the vending machine and they buy Danish. That's my supper. What was for supper? Not a Danish for supper. Are they complaining? No. Just it cost me a dollar, but that's all it that is my supper. What's the Does it turn into the whole freeze of a snack type of pass? If you eat a snack type of but I eat it as a meal, does it change into a So, I'll ask you an even easier question first. >> Oh, so so the is so we'll get to that in one second. Let me ask you just the opposite way around. One of my boys, I have twin boys. They're almost 20. But one of them when he was a youngster, every kid who comes home from school wants a snack. It's very normal. They want a snack. They're entitled. Come home from school, they want a snack. What do you want for snack? >> Bread. Bread. He wanted bread. That was a So this is a snack. So he had bread for snack. I don't remember how old he was if he washed or not, whatever it is. But a bread for snack. What is bread? Whata is a meal type of pass that you eat as a snack. What's the is it? Of course it's everybody knows that. So I'm here. The question is the opposite. I have a snack type of pass but this is my meal. This is my meal. So here the is if you convey a suda on it. Yes it becomes becomes you have to wash. You have to say you have to say and you have to bench but cave does not depend on if you consider it your meal or your snack. Nothing to do with that. What does it depend on? >> What does it what does it depend on? >> Exactly the how much you eat. How many kazayas of that pasaiston did you eat? If you eat a certain amount of pasabistan, which I'll tell you in a second, then automatically that turns into kauda. Even if you think, well, no, no, it's just a snack. It's just a snack. No, if you have enough, that's so do faker. If you have only a few kazay, no, but this is my meal. It's not going to become depends on how much you have. Say how much? What's the answer? What's considered? So the mishabura says, how many opinions? two opinions. Even though there's three, the Mishabur only brings two opinions. One opinion the Mishabur says he says second is let's call it let's keep it simple eight kaz eight kaz. So how let's say rugg rabbi banner you familiar with rab safer on kaz one rugal he says is he says 3/4 of one rugal is a kaz got that three4 of a rugal is one kazay so who's good at math how many rugal is eight kaz if 3/4 of one rugal is a kaz what >> six eight * 75 is six so so I mean when when I teach this to the girls the girls are like six rugal I'm like your brother's to do this all the time. Okay, so you go with the rug and you just boom, you just pound six rug OFF. THAT'S PUSHUP. YOU COME BACK, you got to stack your night like all you guys. And then you come back, you're starving. So you're not going to have supper again. Just have a snack. A snack of six rug. According to that opinion, you have to wash. You have to say and that's opinion number one. Eight kazayas. Opinion number two says no. No, no, no, not eight kaz. There's more than eight kaz. How many kazay says the other opinion the amount is the way explains this opinion. the amount of kazias equal to the amount of kazas of bread that you would have for a meal if you were only having bread for a meal. Now again, let's say I'm tell you this is what you're going to have for lunch today. Just bread, no salad, no nothing. No butter, no jelly. How many slices of bread would you consider as a meal? Again, I know it's not the best lunch, but you have no choice. Just bread. How many slices? How many slices would be considered a meal? >> It's arbitrary. >> I I'm asking you. >> A loaf. Thanks. Okay. You don't look like you eat a loaf of bread. That's the amount you eat for lunch. So the girls call out two slices. No, three slices. Whatever. So let let's go with our banners just cuz it's an easy number. Raer feels that a quarter of a slice of rye bread is one kaz. So every slice is four kaz. So let's say a girl is three slices of bread. That would be 12 kaz. I think a guy is more than 12 kazat. I think you told me a whole loaf. I don't know. That's a little extreme. I think but maybe four slices, five slices. It depends. Not on you personally, but it depends on your type of person, male or female, a child or an adult or an elderly individual. So for a yeshiva bakar it's it's I don't know 15 um 15 kazayas 16 kazayas 16 something like that for a middle-aged man maybe I don't know a little more a little less it depends on your type of person your gender and your age group that's how many kazayas is kasuda and again has nothing to do whether you consider it a snack or you consider it a meal so you come back to the dorm after another night and the guys are hanging out in the dorm and you're like you're just eating and eating and [clears throat] eating and you open up a huge bag of pretzel it's just a snack it's just a snack But you eat the whole bag of pretzels. That could be how do we pass it? Do we pass in like that opinion or do we pass in like eight kaz? So is we pass in like the second opinion has to be more has to be 16 and 18 or that amount that you're sud but we try to avoid the first opinion. We always try to avoid don't put yourself in a situation. So don't have eight kazay because if you if you have eight kazayas according to other opinion you should be washing. So you try to avoid having eight kazay there's many reasons why should you avoid having eight kazay and that's one of them because you avoid the but push comes to shove you only wash if you have that full amount and the place can disgust let's say you plan on having the full amount so you make and then halfway through you're like I can't eat anymore so you make yeah you make because at the end of the day you had less than this year and so do vice versa but that is um as far as so now let's get to mison US rolls. What [clears throat] braha? What is the correct braha on masonus rolls? >> Noi. [laughter] Masonus rolls are and that is certainly for Ashkanazm. Certainly for Ashkanazm because what first of all which opinion would misinus rolls fit into? It's not filled with fruit. It's not thin and dry and brittle. So what are they claiming? Why do what they say that they put in juice? So let's repeat what the Rama said. The juice has to be the dominant taste. The juice is not the dominant taste. It tastes like a roll. You put egg salon in it or tuna fish, whatever you like. It's a roll and it's not the dominant. It does not taste like a cupcake. And second of all, why there's no such thing as misus rolls is that it is a meal type of pass. It is not a snack type of pass. It's a meal type of pass. It's made to be eaten as a meal. Whatever you like to put inside, cut it open and you put it inside. uh Rabellski who was the pisik one of the piskin for the OU at one time heard him kashir and he said 99.9% of misinus roles are hami and he said I'm being very generous because I've never seen a misin so point one he felt was being very generous there's no such thing as a misinfor safer noticing misin that you ask anyone who learns the sug well the a fashion I repeat it's not the dominant taste and it is um And that's that's the way a person should pass it. Pas are the same thing. Pas are a meal type of pass. It's meant to put in falafa bowls, salad, chips, hummus. That's what it's meant for. It's meant to be eaten as a meal and it's a meal type of pass. And my students call me all the time. Now, on this package, it says misini. Why they're at misinus? Because they want you to buy it because we're afraid to bench. Um and the lal sometimes they have um the roles and it says oh it says um kosher and misus and they asked the ou why does it say misus if they're and the says cuz we did not write it's misinus they wrote it's misenus why don't they want everybody standing up and washing because then the whole plane is going to get up in this little bathroom and the students are still serving the meals they don't want people washing so they write that it's misenus but it's not misenus and the u was very upset they made them take it off And they hold that mazanous roles are we'll throw in just a wild card. You could be kuda with a role because many plays can discuss and I'm sure you learned it if you got to have that the 15 kazai is 16. It's not only from the past it's so too perhaps from the other things that you eat. So if you put the egg salad inside and you put the tuna fish and you have a soda and you have this you have a lot of other things that also could be could combine to the kaud. So Mazonus rolls that Rabbi Forest in his safer has a chapter the fallacy of Mazonus rolls. Yeah. We he feels that there's no such >> no such thing >> that just to defend the scroll that Roy assuming you really have >> they don't it doesn't it does >> it just doesn't >> if it does okay >> what if it was >> if you go to Roy the not paste roy but don't ask him about that. No is not >> okay let's say >> soilski said that you take the from the he says but but then you skip the rest of the dra he says that's an act of jugglers not of that's what he said he said because you can't take half the dra and say oh and then just close your eyes I mean you close your eyes and the rest of the it has to be a meal type has to be a snack type of pasta it's not a snack type of >> past sweet >> what >> what if it was Then perhaps then it's not a roll. Then perhaps it'll be mis but it's but you find >> a sweet roll is a very good question. A sweet roll the girls bring in sweet rolls to school and they show it to me. Finally one year one girl brought brought it in. To this day I am not positive what the broccoli has done on sweet roll. Sweet rolls might be mites. >> It's bakeries get bakeries getting very lazy and you know stop just putting dough together putting crumbs on top of >> Yeah. But okay depends how much crumbs that I I don't know. I I to me it looks gross. But but but sorry >> have like that. >> Yeah. Okay. I would not make use at a guest at somebody's house and they take it off and that's what it is. I remember one time I ate in somebody's house. I I did a shabas bris in uh in a certain neighborhood and I went with my son. My son married already. Um but now back then he was like 11 12 years old and um and it was at we we were put up at the rashiva's house. We had the Rashiva and he takes out the kala and there's a cinnamon swirl in the kala cinnamon swirl in the kala and my it was delicious but my son looked at me like is that can we can we make the kamitzi on that and I'm like sh don't make trouble whatever he passing it's was just a thin swirl he felt it wasn't a lot a lot of cocoa and cinnamon so he felt that it was pasi so I didn't make trouble and we ate it for but it depends that's how it is you had a question a moment ago Any question of the day? No. >> Wouldn't you solve that situation by just eating six kazam or eight kazum or whatever? >> I didn't want it. >> It was delicious. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of other good food. Um pizza. What is pizza? >> That's good. >> What is pizza? >> Most place can say that pizza is hami for the same two reasons. What opinion does it fit into? It's not filled with fruit and it's not filled with cheese and sauce either because it's flat. I know it's called a pizza pie, but it's flat. It's not filled with with cheese and sauce. It's not opinion number three. Obviously, it's not thin and dry and brittle and but what do they claim? Fruit juice. There's fruit juice inside. So, I live in Payic, like I told you before. So, there's two pizza shops in Payic. It's called Ste Teddy's Pizza and Lighthouse Cafe. Anyone familiar? So, both of them do not put any fruit juice in their pizza. They're both very delicious. And so the girls are like, "Well, I don't know." Like, "What are you really serious? We're going to have to make a mint on pizza." And the for sure it for sure doesn't fit opinion number two. But even if you find me pizzas that do fit opin that do have fruit juice in it, it hasn't. It's got to be the dominant taste. And anyways, we have the second reason. Pizza. Let's Let's not kid ourselves. Pizza is a meal type of pass. >> Don't forget my son who came home from school and wanted a bread as snack. You could have pizza as a snack. Go right ahead. is what they eat. But pizza is a meal type of pass. So sayski, so says, so says, so says many other place. And then it's a meal type of pass. It's eaten as a meal. It's not called a bakery. It's called a restaurant. And there's tables to sit down. It's not a bakery. Pizza is a meal. You have it for lunch. It's made to be eaten for lunch for what's the famous who is the famous one that said that one slice is two slice is who knows who said that. Ramisha. Raisha said that. Many place can say that including Raelski [clears throat] that Ramsha would not say that nowadays anymore. Even Ramsha would agree that nowadays even one bite of pizza is hami cuz it is bread. It's bread. One bite of bread is hamzi. One bite of pizza is sorry. Back then the pizza stores did not have tables to sit at. It was grab and go and it was eaten as a snack. And now you take a poll. I know people that have taken polls. They go over to 100 guys with a pen and paper and and you eat it generally you eat it as a snack or a meal and 95% said it's a meal they eat it as a meal. So that makes it that things have changed and it depends on society and and that's going to be a meal type meal type of pass they got rid of the table at the tables. >> They're trying to become by >> but that's maybe for reasons and guys are hanging out. Is that why >> I don't know hangout reasons doesn't change >> okay so it's gonna become a snack >> let's see one thing to thank okay fine but you should know that felt that his father would still say today once oh now you write that down [laughter] if you're I have this one family in that is a very very strong talid of so they could pass them like that but if is not your rub. You didn't learn, you know, enough on the lower side, whatever. So, I'm going to go to for this one. No, it's I told you a whole long list of places that all just tell you a very quick funny story. The Shaw where I have it used to be a pizza store. It used to be Prima Pizza. Now, they went across the street at Lighthouse Cafe, but we're leasing the storefront. I've been there for three and a half years, Kerbu. And uh and so, but before it was a pizza store. So, I was one time eating there with my family before pay. My wife said, "Take the kids out, comets, and just eat out of the house." And I was sitting right near where I sit now as the robe. I was sitting that's where that's where I was sitting, eating with my family. And there was a family next to us and there were girls there that were my students and their brother was eating with them. He was eating with his hat and jacket. Real she was a guy, good guy. And he comes over to me, c can I ask the rila? And his sisters are like, their face is like red like a tomato. They're like so embarrassed. I said, yeah, what can I do for you? is that I know the rub holds that pizza's hamzi, but but I I my minute is to make maz even on two slices, but I'm about to have a third slice. Should I make on the third slice? And the sisters are like looking the other way, pretending as if they don't have what's going on. And I said, a third slice? I think you should make Yeah, I think so. So, uh, okay. And that and that was and that was that. So again, you could go to Europe, are you asking? And uh but but most places come that pizza is humming. >> We wouldn't have t over here. >> I'm sorry. >> Taz without flat over here. >> Why? Which t? >> No, the first sheets. It's called filled. It's not filled. >> No, it's flat. It's not filled. It's not kiss. It's not a kiss. Comes up a little bit. >> Don't make a difference. Doesn't make a difference. Is it a meal type of pass or is a snack type of pass? >> What? Chicago. >> Chicago. Okay. Chicago. Okay. Chicago slice is even thicker. >> Fourth category then. >> Fourth category. >> That's the pizza or pizza. >> What are we call a meal type of pass or a snack type of pass? >> Meal type of pass. So that's how the very similar to shakes though, right? >> Doesn't matter. >> Doesn't matter. Doesn't make a difference. That's what it comes down to. come down. Is it a meal to have a snack? Everybody knows what is means a form of bread. We say we were saying before um that and you eat a certain amount. So then that could become that's only the case if it's possible means it has a dama a form of bread. Form of bread nama in Aramaic means bread. So terresa dama a form of bread means two things. Number one it's baked and not cooked. And number two is that it's a little bit thick. It resembles bread a little bit. It's a little bit thick. It doesn't look like a loaf of bread but it's a little bit thick. Those are theresa dama and those are pasabist. All theresa dama are passable. All passenum are terresa dama. They're synonyms to each other. There are foods that are it comes from the five grains. So don't tell me rice. It comes with the five grains. Wheat, barley, rice, belt, and oats. But it's not a dam. It's not possible because it's misinus. Such as pasta, farina, and oatmeal. Those are misinus. And it will [clears throat] always be misinus. You could have bowls and bowls and bowls of macaroni. It's never going to become hame because it doesn't have a terresa dama. They're thin and they don't resemble bread whatsoever. They don't have teresa dama and therefore it's cooked. >> Is it cooked? >> It's cooked, right? Pasta is cooked as opposed to so pasta has none of the two conditions as neither. It's cooked and not baked and it doesn't resemble bread. It's so thin and flimsy. So bowls and bowls of macaroni um oatmeal is cooked and it's mush. I would never eat it. It's just mush forina. My kids like Karina. I can't understand why. And uh it's just a bunch of glob and mush and and but but that's always misenius. You can have a lot a lot a lot of it. It's always gonna be misin. So now >> cake is a little bit thick. Cake is a little bit thick and baked obviously it's not cooked and therefore as if you have 20 slices of cake or whatever it could become play. So you want to talk to so it's like this [clears throat] discusses two types of one says is and one and the second one says is but it's possible to be everybody follow you learn yet one two types or that could become if you're so says the he calls it the first one is and the second one is middle right says the guess what there's a third type a third type that it's thin and it's always going to be thin and it's always going to become it's always going to be you can't even beuda on it and that's called so we have three types two in the one in the all the three types but you could be that you can never be is explains what's this third type explains that it's made from a liquidy batter You scoop it in a spoon. You put it in a fuss in a and a mold of metal and there's another metal on top. The metal gets very hot. It's pressed together and it gets baked like that. So it's d that's a sharian says that's the third type that it's so thin that it's misus. It doesn't have to reach the denama whatsoever and it's never going to become let me finish. So now that's to our to our wraps. Many say that our raps is now before safeair the star K railski on ou kosher.com.org or whatever it is. Wraps, this is a fact. It's not a mus wraps start off as a blah. It's a fact. Anybody who knows how raps are made, they start off as a bila ala. The mish brewer that talked about a certain type of rap that was very thin that that is always going to be because it doesn't have to. And that was started off as a bilaka. The charity said raps start off as a bila ava. So the pashkos that that doesn't fit into what the sharian says and it should be. That's why these places can say it's who's the one that says that raps are misus that's in the mur if you got to the mur you already saw it in the dish in my old it's number says no what do you mean even if it starts with who cares it could become dak it could become d and then it becomes and then even if you convey a suda on it and you have and it's eaten as a doesn't make a difference it could become [clears throat] So and the might say that might say that as well. So first of all you have to know if we [clears throat] pass like and second of all you have to know if even if we do pass like them does that describe our raps is that exactly what the shine was talking about our wraps are they do. So if you want to be mist that back yeah for sure I don't know not so not not a little bit thick a little bit thick millimeters or start saying >> I don't know Mr. is more than 10 millimeters which are d so it's tough to know many places I just repeat many places say that um it's uh that that wraps are how um it's 9:44 so let me just say one more case we spoke about already >> pancakes so pancakes pancakes and waffles what would you think >> is it a meal type of pass or is it a snack type of pass >> think like a man it's breakfast it's breakfast it's it's I don't know what to tell you look around >> it's fried but it's But it's it's it's not deep fried. It's just on a skillet. It's as a baked as a baked because it's just a little bit waffles. It doesn't have enough liquid to be considered cooked. >> Waffles liquid >> waffles in a deep fry. >> It's runny >> running >> runny liquid, >> right? Okay, fine. So, but what does it start off as? Look around. I think people make on it say that it does have to. So, it's misenus, but eventually it could become it could become. So, if you have 10 pancakes, so you can't say, "Well, how many pancakes?" Not all pancakes are created equal. Some are thick, some are thin, some are big, some are bigger, some are small. So it depends how many kazay. So for a guy maybe we said 15, 16, 17, 18 kaz. You have a lot a lot a lot of pancakes say that it has to be something else. So you got to be very careful. >> Chocolate chips. >> Sugar. >> Yes, maybe that opinion number two. Okay. Could be. Um, okay. There's other foods. Garlic nuts, melatones, hot pretzels, cheese pretzels, bagel chips. What broke? Bagel chips and pizza chips. >> Mazanas. Misinus. So if it's made originally as a chip, then it's misinus. If it's made originally as a bagel or a pitha and then it's broken down, it remains. So there's two companies. There's Stacy's and there's Dvash. You ever see the Dvash pizza chips? It's a Jewish company. So there's a 1800 number on it. I wanted to call. I asked I wanted to know was it made originally as a pizza or was it and then broke it down. Was it made as a snack? So I called the number the guy picks up. I said, "Hi, I'm I'm an Orthodox Jewish rabbi. I'd like to know. Can you tell me was the beta made originally like that? Was it broken down? It's relevant to the blessing that we say before we eat a food. And I finish and he's like I'm like I didn't realize I was talking to a I thought it was just some some guy picking up the phone. So those are the the pizza chips. Those areas everyone should think of that themselves. Go.