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THURSDAY, ZOS CHANUKAH January 2, 2025 2- EST - Zos Chanuka 5785; Where do we go from here? - Q & A anything Daf or Kashrus related - My All Torah journey by an All Torah user
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hello everyone and welcome to the oh you
podcast hello everyone and welcome to
the
oou podcast today we have the honor the
big coved for us of having with us Rabbi
mosha schwed who is the director of all
tor
it's a pretty big title to be the
director of all Torah that's a lot you
do a lot we're excited to have you here
we wanted to start by welcoming you
saying because we have to translate into
Lakewood and make sure that uh that
everything is above board that everybody
knows I live in Lakewood everybody knows
now okay why don't you start by telling
us a little bit about yourself my name
is Mosa really it's mosha
ped but once I got into the business
world you I just dropped that and some
family members weren't too happy about
it so so everybody calls you mosha Pinas
at home most people call me mosha penas
and there's a story behind that yeah I'm
named after my great
great-grandfather who came to the United
States of America in 1913 wow he came to
Baltimore and he was a town leer of the
NV wow Josh look at this for those who
don't know Josh and we maybe we'll get
to that a little bit later Josh gives a
weekly short
on the on the par platform on your
platform you encouraged me to do it
we'll talk about it a little bit later
on so my namesake was a to the wow in
Vin so his son which is my
great-grandfather y um when I was born
and they gave they gave my name after
his father he wanted very much that I
should be called by both names um and
and we kept we kept to that and just to
jump a little bit further when I got
married my father-in-law who you
probably don't know who he is um his
name is Mosa ziml so I didn't know that
either since I was he's called Misha
Mishi yeah so I was called m p and he's
called Mishi that that was good that was
okay 20 years later we'll have to you
know revisit that but call rbw now so
that's
good so you were born so I was born in M
born born in M raised in M went through
Elementary School in man two years Bago
local man high school then I went out of
town to Long Beach I was there for six
years went to to learn in the brisker
Yesa he asked which
one and I I was there for a total of
five and a half years as a b and I got
married and moved back there so I lived
in
for five and a half years and I I still
feel very attached and I love going back
and I love people that I work with know
that I love um speaking Hebrew if you
want to go with the Hebrew you can
the for short to speak to the taxi
drivers very good okay and then when you
came back married came back
married I did the regular thing I moved
back to Lakewood um my wife had a very
good job she was a speech therapist and
I was sitting in Yeshiva and I was
learning um for quite a few years and in
BAS magico
okay and there are there's some people
who learn there is this some people yeah
some smalla people ask me where I live
yeah um I say in a small town in Central
Jersey and since we love you know we
we'll get to this soon but we work with
people who live in places all over so I
I just I can't forget the person I met
in EK New Jersey who asked me um is
there a supermarket in Lakewood that the
size of Cedar Market which is I guess
the biggest supermarket in TK and you
said there's nothing that small yeah
there's nothing that small like probably
12 of them so um I moved back to
Lakewood I was there for a few years in
2018 I was approached um by Rabbi
elephant who knew me and he was giv a DA
Yom here and he said the U wants to
expand their online presence um with the
da do you um know anyone that could do
this the truth is I asked my wife for
somebody's phone number which I think
she had in her phone and she says why
don't you just ask me if you could do it
so I asked him and he says you probably
could I just can't hire you because you
know family says call Rabbi Steven wild
so I mentioned
him he was the one that you know I from
jumping a little bit but he got a he had
a very close relationship with stalam
and he had gotten money to invest in
broadening
bavi learning um so I was brought on to
direct the content and from there you
know I really direct took that and
pulled it out like a year project and we
launched by the CM ASAS in 2020 andem we
had EC bbam on board who sitting here in
the room who was a tremendous partner to
get this off the ground because I
literally when I
started I Ask Josh you know what UI and
and um UA stands for uh not UA see I
still don't know UI and ux ux is user
experience and UI is user interview face
very good okay so I didn't know what
those two words for this interview very
good I didn't know what those two things
stood for right when I started but we
had we had there's a lot that you didn't
a lot lot you didn't know you're sitting
and learning I'm sitting and learning
you were sitting and learning in 2017 18
right yeah it's actually for two years I
was teaching in the afternoon second
seder I was going to M every day which
wasn't something that was going to be
long term but it was good experience in
a this Mish learning with guys what age
were you teaching it was older guys was
guys in Bas manage post High School post
High School guys um and it was a great
experience and I loved it but I knew it
was going to be long term um so when
this came
along I actually I had no idea what it
would be right I didn't know what it
would be when I took the job I thought I
would spend most of my time like
preparing shim or like figuring out
content content to go on um but like
with everything in life yeah things
evolve and one of the things that I've
learned from my parents and Grand
parents and RAB is you got to follow try
to follow and try to see where Hashem is
guiding you and I think I so you started
in 2018 August 2018 again this is you
met with Alan Fagan who was sitting in
this chair back then and he asked you
how large how many users do you think
you could get for ALU what was your
answer I said if we have 10,000 app
downloads I think that'll be a success
and when we launched in 20 20 I think we
had 25,000 downloads like a week after
the CMAs right so we knew and now four
years later four years later after olda
all partial all mishna all were north of
185,000 app downloads now the truth be
told not everyone who has the app on
their phone uses the app every day you
know there's probably a number out there
of how many apps people have on the
phone that they don't use sure probably
hundreds the fact that they have them
means that they're already it's a good
start it's a good start instead of the
phone maybe being a distraction for
other of things uh in in not healthy
ways and there's enough we could talk
about which is a great conversation you
know that that's that's worthy
conversation I'm sure that was a
question back in 1819 when you're about
to launch this and think about websites
and apps and what are we really doing
and and back it wasn't wasn't that much
earlier than that when there was a big
aifa at uh City Field right I mean I
don't remember what what year that was
that said you know these phone things
yes
trouble Torah technology Judaism and
technology is something that is a
struggle and a challenge in every sector
yeah or across the Spectrum wherever you
are everyone is struggling with
technology how to use it how much to use
it how much it should not become a
distraction to your life right and it's
something that has to be considered and
and used for a good purpose I heard um
there's a rabbi Feldman in in Atlanta I
heard a story that uh first thing in the
morning uh you know he he types in and
he types a uh and there are two
possibilities you heard the story the
two Poss he published it say the story
he published magazine Atlanta
Braves Al off right and you have a
choice right so like but the fact that
it's a choice the fact that it's not
just the Atlanta Braves the fact that
people can pick up their phones right
and I have my my reminder uh my thank
you aam reminder no matter what that
okay when I pick it up I have an
opportunity to do
something that's a bad distraction or
something good the fact that we have
something that could be good and now you
have all off and and different
modalities different kinds of things
that are available there and Al mishna
which has grown into Al mishna Jr which
we could talk about and at different
levels Al paraa I I I I was blessed by
you to encourage me uh I don't know if
you remember the story you you you came
to me and you you asked if I would I
would do a little sheer I said no and
think how many times you said no to
doing this podcast and I said no a few
times and it happens to be uh my father
was nifter and my father was a big
lover and so I said wow this is might be
an opportunity to do something with some
of his Torah some of his thoughts and
and now barem we're we're finishing up
three years uh incredible and you
probably feel like you've gained
immensely from the nav not only have I
learned from the NV but I've been in
kuso with my father for three years
right and I I I I owe you that just even
not just as a user but as as as somebody
who's able to share right and now we've
launched at least in the beta all right
so it's just going and growing and going
when you were sitting in 2017 and 18
learning and base manage doing a little
teaching could you have imagined uh you
know five six years later the the
breadth and the depth of the Torah that
you that you're sharing with the world
no I could not have imagined and I would
lie if I say I thank hashm every day for
it but when I remember I tried to just
take a step back and thank Hashem that I
have this opportunity to be able to um
facilitate and allow people give them
the opportunity to learn the breath and
scope of people that are using this
literally range from cish Williamsburg
who beely speak English to people that
are not Orthodox they're anonymous Ober
it you know you you said you thank you
Hashem to for putting you in this
position we thank Hashem for that and we
thank Hashem for you and one of the one
of the things and and it's a theme in in
sort of in our conversation so far but
it's something that you do I'm not sure
if you recognize that you do it but it's
an man it's it's a genius management
tool and it's a genius relationship tool
which is you saw an article from Rabbi
Krauss never met Rabbi kuss before you
sent him an email thanking him for the
article and talking to about it you saw
somebody came on and signed up for a do
you reached out to the person you saw
somebody was doing something you reached
out to them this is something that you
do right where did you learn that this
was the the right way to engage people
that this right it's something that we
we could all learn you have an
opportunity somebody somebody let me go
say thank you for writing an article let
me go say thank you for giving a
donation let me go say thank you for
signing up for ad do and it's led to all
kinds of great stories and and and fur
relationships it's a great question I
didn't have any formal training for it I
would say it's intuitive but I don't
take the credit for it I thank God have
wonderful parents and grandparents who
are personable people and they always
and I would say it's part of my
education from IIM is is looking and and
recognize there are people out there
people you could have an influence on
and it's it's it's part of my
personality but I I grew up with with
parents who always had people over I
talk about my grandparents who are
Holocaust Survivors both my father's
father especially who I grew up with the
um had a tremendous influence on me he
was someone he was literally a learning
and machine a simple Babas um you know
was first in diamonds and then you know
worked in other on other areas but
someone was up every morning learning at
4:30 in the morning he was somebody the
the friendliest and warmest person he
was in the nursing home feeding people
yeah every single morning every shabas
when he moved down to Florida he started
in West Palm Beach so he was someone
always always with a good word for
people so that's probably where it comes
from but again we got to we you got to
pay attention you got to pay attention
and
um that's that's the great that's where
you go so all of a sudden now right it's
not one all and it's not just content
right there's Five Alls there's and who
knows where it's going each of the alls
has grown number of deliverers and
number of uh you know programs and
different kinds of options and then
there's content and then there's
fundraising and then there's managing
and then there's uh UI and UA and ux and
all right you know and all these things
um so your your job is is is pretty full
um you also have a family canara how
many children I have eight children Kara
oldest is I think she's 19 youngest is
four um and I'm the oldest of 11 so I
grew up with large family and so that
that that
also when you have downtime if such a
thing
exists what what I do in my downtime so
it's commute the commute from Lego yeah
yeah I don't usually listen to the
alls that was a layup I was feeding you
know that that was you of course of
course I love um Jewish history certain
Jewish history speakers I like to listen
to um Rabbi Dr D cats is always
fascinating and and a good laugh um
there Aubrey hirs from England who's
fascinating elazar BR is somebody who's
a who's fascinating um I I still have a
little bit of my know baseball fandom
there you know so I may check in check
in on the Mets yeah it's the Mets I like
to I like to read um and spend time with
my family yeah we're going to do some
rapid fire questions let's go okay um
now sometimes they say rapid fire and
people give long answers and you're not
you're not going to be held to it what
is a must-have dish at your shabus or
yant Y table for my for my family they
have to have their s which they make and
I got to bring one for Josh because
we've uh I'm ready yeah we got there
we're on film we owe Josh a a homemade
sour doala good save him 20 bucks in the
bakery that week five towns is a little
more than that but okay yeah yeah aldaf
has learned in how many countries across
the world you want options you don't
have to give me options no okay so in
the world of technology there something
called IP addresses and you could have
your IP address in Iran or in Iraq maybe
there are Jews in Iran learning using
olda it's possible but even in places
where you probably don't think there are
any Jews it's in as many countries as
there are in the world that's where olda
is is is access this answer then because
what we have officially is 54 but that
sounds like I don't know where that 54
is way more than 54 okay but again it's
it's a it's like saying how many how
many countries access uh Gmail it's l
literally that in what year did Rabbi
Henry Pereira Mendes start the OU as a
union for Jewish synagogues
1898 1920
1943 so the OU was kind enough at the
end of every single one of their
correspondents they write the OU was
founded in 1898 I got it you got it
what's your go-to safer to pick up and
learn I'm G be a straight up plug for
this person whose name is ruri Tiger
ruri Tiger sure you could find his story
on behind the be podcast with Rabbi eim
Goldberg talk to him um I did a
conversation with him um with RAB elazer
brought one minute brief description who
this person is grew up non-observant
in Tel Aviv um became observa listen to
this whole story speaks perfect English
because he loved watching TV with all
the English subtitles in Israel um has a
whole story how he became
from got married was learning in K
during shmita and came across called
actually honor of's C it says so that
was like his uh his primary safer and he
started writing questions toim and rim
kki respond and says please keep on
writing I like what you're asking me and
after a couple years he said I got to go
visit this Rabbi you talking about
someone who didn't grow up observant and
this is 25 years ago so wasn't a
household name and he went to and he's
like your deer who writes to me says yes
from that time on he became R's proof
reader wrote If anyone goes
to are little little letters that are
inclusive
OFA yeah everything manuscripts
everything and this person became his
proof reader he took videos of him
talking to real conversations he has
hundreds of hours of videos of him
talking to and he became extremely close
to and he started writing SP so he wrote
a
saer it is a mindblowing written like
like it's it's an incredible saf so
right now that is my go to safer and he
includes everything he has yes I got to
pick it up yes yes okay beautiful this
is an opportunity you've done this
already with me uh once walking around
the halls uh I think on all par maybe
all do you get to ask me
question turning the tables what gave
you the energy and your passion for
learning
Torah so I think there's something that
has to do with my my family and where
where I grew up um you know just my
father being a rabbi my mother learned
herself so like in my family there there
was that and I think over the years just
you know having role models and teachers
uh who were excited about who elevated
who sometimes probed and pushed me
Beyond you know what I thought I knew or
what I thought capable of and so I
really think it's you know again it's
the role models in the family and the
role models outside the family that that
that helped you to to think Beyond who
you are and then and and thinking Torah
that's a great answer and I think we
both could share even though we pray
every single
morning we beg and we need to do that to
make Torah sweet Torah is not always
easy and someone shouldn't think that
it's going to be like it's going to be
easy but when you work and you do it
properly and you find if you need a
mentor or someone to talk to there there
are times some maybe you can relate to
this there are times you feel like I
just don't want to go away right it's
not always it could be come once a week
even right like just this is so sweet
and like I just want to keep on having
more of this so you know and and what's
amazing is that uh at my Advanced age
I'm still meeting people who are showing
new sides of Torah uh in ways that uh I
never really thought possible so for
example we've spoken about my rebi rosi
zakutinsky uh went to a sheare of his he
gives a weekly sheare on shabas um where
he begins in in the gamarra and it
sounds like Yeshiva a brisker I went to
the G so I learned a little bit the bris
right and it's it's a gamar and you have
the B and you havei and you have two you
know and you you have a and you're going
through it and the RAM and different LS
in the RAM and there's the rash and
Theus as and he brings it in and then he
says and so from a pemus perspective and
this is something i' had never heard
before and he pulls a threat and he
brings that thread back through the
entire C and so here I am learning Torah
in a brand new way and it's just an
amazing thing with Torah that it can
become fresh and new every single time
you and that's and to be inspired to
have these people who are who are
inspiring role models who thinking in
different kinds of ways uh it's just
it's just amazing and it's it's a
testament to you you keep finding a lot
of these people who are who are now
popular a lot more we can talk about and
there's a lot more lot more to do do
love with everything in life
but we focus on what's what's you know
so along those lines in order to to send
us off uh we ask our guests to give us a
braa for the for the OU for your
colleagues for for your participants and
all the alls uh give us a bra please
there's one that really encompasses
everything just says you know so he says
two words which accomplishes everything
but really we ask hasem that he should
fulfill everything that
we we ourselves don't even know what we
need we just know that we need to have
the the Basics right good health you
know good family and and we ask Hashem
please take care of everything that you
know that we need and we should have
energy and we shouldn't waste our time
important oh we we should recognize you
know what's important and I it's always
joke around people ask like you asked
before like what are you doing your
downtime so some some people say like I
do this and do that I say I wish I you
know I wish I could do that also by I
prioritize how how I waste my time you
know it's that's and we should all we
should all be able to recognize our and
the things that we need and be
successful amen and we with that BR we
send it right back at you call sometimes
we know what our La wants sometimes we
don't even know your story is you didn't
even know you thought I want to learn
maybe I'll do some teaching and now
you're doing some teaching right and so
even the things that you are you know
are in your on your heart should
continue to give you strength give
you to keep growing to am me thank you
I can't hear you
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Kaneka and I thank everybody for joining
every elephant taking some time out of
his busy day and Josh Goldberg whose
idea this was to have this gathering on
the last day of Kana there are two
important reasons why we're here on the
last day of Kaneka one of the major
themes of Hana is what we do every day
we spend our time on all Torah promoting
and sharing Torah and that is what the
essentially wanted to take away from us
as we say
in and the nce was that we
were another important point of is the
say it's the last day of the anecdotally
I was at a little this morning and the
Gabi sells the alas so this morning he
says that it's the last day of the Y and
there's a big today I don't know if
that's true or not if there's a source
to that he obviously wanted to make a
few more dollars so he was selling the
Alias with that in mind so we thought
who better than har by elephant join us
to share a few words about what we
should walk away from kanaka with
hanin followed by a brief question
answer on some of the interesting
questions in the cashus world today and
perhaps a few daff questions and then to
end off with Josh sharing a little bit
about how he got involved in all Torah
and what he's been able to do using the
platform and then actually learning with
people live in Anglewood a few times a
week
elephant shalam Alim it's a pleasure to
be here even though it is quite a busy
day but it's good to be able to reach
out elephant on mute I'm not not on
mute I'm not on
mute
rade do you hear me
bant continue so it's a pleasure to be
here particularly as you said
Ona a day which is the most supicious
day where we could accomplish so much
and we collect and we collect all of
what kanaka brings to us and these last
moments of the Yan is I I do want to
begin by applauding you Rabbi sched for
the incredible incredible work you've
done in growing our platform what we
thought was just a dream something that
we could never have imagined and now
look where we
are in number of programs that we have
all or mishna or par or
it's incredible what we've accomplished
it's incredible how many people listen
to our programs and it's really you get
a lot of credit we're very very
fortunate that we have people supporters
like Josh Goldberg on the call as well
what he's done and continues to do we
didn't know J he just showed up a Malik
from Shay a Malik from Heaven showed up
and said I want to be your partner in
helping this wonderful project grow and
and and we're so we're so
thankful we're so thankful for him to be
here with us and continue to be with us
for many happy healthy
years um you spoke about khaka and Tyra
the say that when we look in
the when thear begins to speak
about the says my asks the question what
is Kan and thear answers the T thear
quotes AA that speaks about what the
entire Y is about the many explain my
what is all about the
t is a time to re-energize ourselves in
T and the learning Tyra and that remains
with us for the rest of the year but I
think that the message of Kaneka is a
little more than that you know the is
that if you're lighting kanah candles
and you want to write an auka you want
to light a torch you want to use a
candle a big man big half dollar candle
to light your manur so we would all
assume that that's the best way to like
your manoro you're really going to have
a good fire going the is that that is
disqualified you have to look light a
little candle and why do you have to
light a little candle what's wrong with
that big candle and the answer perhaps
is because the Y of kanaka is to teach
us that these little things the Small
Things Are what count and a big torch is
not what does it the little candle and
that's really what happened then by the
N of Kaneka where you had these 13
kashim who don't really count next to
the Greek Empire but their little action
goes so very very
far and the I I recently saw most
incredible story which I think is so
related to this lesson of kanaka and
then we're going to tie together to what
we do every day we who learn the Dai or
learn other things there was an
individual there was a l there was a
funeral in Israel is
in and the person who was leading the
Lev was a regular individual not a rabbi
and people came over to him and asked
him since when did you become a rabbi
that you're officiating at a funeral he
says I want to tell you a story he says
it was suus and I my family bar hasem
has grown and I wanted to build a new Su
a larger Su and I but the place where I
would build it I needed permission for
my neighbors to be able to build a Suk
over there and my building is a mixed
building religious Jews and not
religious Jews I thought that the
religious Jews will be happy to give me
permission so I could do the Mitzvah I
wasn't sure about the non-religious Jew
so I went first to him see if I'll get
his permission I knocked on his door his
name was Saki and he answers the door he
says what could I do for you I told him
what I want Ed and on the spot he says
no problem I'll be happy to give you
permission he says let me tell you my
history my history is that my family
originally lived in Poland and in World
War I we immigrated to Bulgaria and on
Bulgaria do we know yeshivas there
wasn't much of an orthodox religious
life our family became secular and then
we ultimately moved to Israel I really
I'm totally irreligious I have two
children that really one doesn't even
live in Israel anymore and don't really
have any
connection and if you I see you I see
your family I want to support that so
this person says I see I saw I had a
moment that this person wanted to come
closer so I told him you know every
Mitzvah that every Jew does is so so
vital
why don't you do one Mitzvah day says
okay what do you recommend says I
recommend that you say every
day he says what is it all about and he
brings a s and he teaches him what
kishma is our represents our
relationship to God God's special
feeling towards us our feelings to him
he says you got a deal I'm going to say
I'm going to say krishma every day he
starts to and that that was it a couple
weeks later this man gets a knock on the
door early in the morning I know for
people like us who learn the D it's
never that early but for some people
ared up at 5:30 in the morning and he
knocks on the door and this man's wife
and she's completely hysterical and she
says what's the matter he can't get her
even to talk but to make a long story
short he goes into the apartment and and
this person person this person had
passed away person passed away and she
says to him you know the day after the
night after you came you came to see my
husband it came night time and he took
out a s and he said kishma and he said
you know it's a good idea I'm going to
say krishma every day to affirm my
relationship with God he said every
night my husband who was totally
religious and knew nothing started
saying krishma and last night he went to
sleep but he said before he went to
sleep and he didn't wake up this morning
but the last thing he did before he left
the world was said krishma to
God when I thought of that story was
such a powerful story I thought about it
you know people talk to us about I learn
the daff I learn every day what am I
accomplishing with learning the daff do
I really remember do I really need to do
this and here we see what it mean means
when a person takes out from their busy
busy schedule the time to learn in a
Shear whatever she you attended you
attend wherever you attend and you
connect yourself that don't think is
insignificant that's that little kanah
candle that burns and burns forever and
that's why the gar
says if somebody is constantly doing the
Mitzvah of candles candles on chabas
candles
on the
says will we have children we'll all
have children that we have muchas from
we'll have children that will continue
in the way that we want them to continue
and again the people not me but the
people who are so supportive of us and
help this happen you certainly will be
blessed with wonderful
children have children and you
yourselves will
be and you'll bring the light of Torah
to the
world thank you Rabbi elephant let's
jump straight to the questions that came
in most of them are Cashers related so
the first one what' you say why why they
must be speaking to one of the leaders
in the Casas industry so they want
answers how does the U decide which
questions to present to which P's
involved
bki was
involved is involved are there certain
questions that go to certain and how how
do how do they get directed and how is
that decided so I hate to bust anybody's
bubble but most of the questions that
come up here you know I tell people we
in cashus you might have heard the
different tummel the different issues
that come up I'm doing this so long I'm
here at the OU 37 years that there's
almost nothing that that isn't a rerun
every issue I'm dealing with we've
already heard and we' already dealt with
so I would say the vast majority
certainly almost up to 90% of the
questions we got we get are questions
we've all received many times and have
studied those questions and have written
decisions from
Rabel
have was most helpful to answering
questions
so 90% of the questions are not new the
10% of questions that are new we bar
here in kasas have a very talented staff
a staff of that do know how to answer
questions and if not we bring the
questions
whether you know I often tell people
that when rosu was alive and I used to
travel to Israel I used to travel then
maybe even more often than I travel now
every time I came to Israel I had no
problem getting an appointment with Ros
andos giving me time and somebody told
me they once asked Ros you know Rebel
yash's time was so so limited and it was
so hard to get an appointment with him
and even if you got there you were in
and out before you walked in and
somebody asked him why are you so
generous to Rabbi elephant he said
because I know he's not asking for
himself when somebody asks a question at
from the OU he's asking for clol and I
feel a responsibility to help him and
give him the answers that they need and
we really barem have had that experience
with almost anybody we reach out to in
our world that when we have a question
we these people will give us the time
and the energy and the resources to get
us the
answer okay thank you next question when
buying Frozen fruits whether it's
strawberries or blueberries or
vegetables that have an OU certification
I guess a most common one is you walk
into Costco and you could buy a bag of
frozen strawberries with an OU does that
mean that they are fully certified and
there's no need for any checking
afterwards for insects what's the
process once you buy that bag with the U
on it absolutely you know I I'll tell
you you know I always have a story to
answer the question so many years ago
there was a h
certification that was certifying Roma
lettuce now when you speak about
vegetables probably one of the most
complicated vegetables that we speak
about that have infestation issues are
Roma lettuce and they didn't have a
special system in place for washing or
for checking but there was this
supervision on the bag and I called the
rabbi and I asked him how do you put
your symbol on that that bag what are
you doing he said I'm not doing anything
he said so I say to him if you're not
doing anything we know how problematic
Romain lettuce is so what are you doing
he says I don't certify the insects I
only certify the vegetable so we don't
have that attitude here at the OU when
we put the OU on a bag or whatever
unless we're expecting the consumer to
do something and then we'll say so but
that's very rare you could eat it
because we say it's kosher and we're
taking responsibility for all of the
halakic issues that are involved
including the insect
infestation piggybacking off that I
remember people have asked in the past
they buy raw do with an OU do they have
to take Kal afterwards I'm assuming the
same answer applies the same answer
applies if it if it's not a Jewish owned
company it's not a problem and if it's a
Jewish owned company we'll make sure the
Kal is taken off as we do when weever we
give as to bake Goods
whether it's the matzas that you buy
with the OU or if you go to a pizza shop
that you're buying piz and that makes a
dough you have to take off kala of
course we're not just saying that the
ingredients are Kosher we're saying you
could eat the
food the next question may not be so
relevant to actual U products or OU
restaurants but it comes up in people's
houses all the time especially those who
have younger children what is the rough
think about separate bottles of ketchup
for dairy and meat you know I could
think of situations in my home with
little children perhaps they're not that
careful and they may take the ketchup
that's for meat you know and maybe touch
it to the hot dog or the hamburger how
crial does have to be with that would it
make a difference if you're dealing with
little children or not so it's a it's
it's a better question than you make it
sound I think it's a very decent
question I know that the pisum say that
every Jewish Home should have separate s
shakers for dairy and for meat so you
know the salt shaker of the time of
kazal is a bottle of ketchup of nowadays
you know maybe people don't want to eat
salt because they're not supposed to eat
salt but who doesn't eat ketchup and if
you really feel that you're putting that
somebody you know I didn't grow up in a
world that you had to put ketchup on
everything but I'm also an old man but
if you live in a world where ketchup is
needed to put on to every food and
you're putting it on top of food that's
hot and the steam going up from the food
into the ketchup botle I could see a
strong reason why you should have
separate ketchup or whatever condiment
for fliks and for mils these are the
kind of
things and I and I speak about this
often I'm sure not at this this time and
place we could have a long discussion
why it's it's not necessary you know no
you could tell me that the food that
you're serving on your table is not that
hot because it was that hat who could
eat it and the steam that's coming out
is not that hat and it's there's all
sorts of reasons why it should not
necessarily affect the cashous of the
ketchup and I'm also certainly not
saying that if I were to come to
someone's house and I discovered that
they only have one bottle of ketchup
that they use for Flik and mils I'm not
going to eat in the house that's just
not true but you know part of the lesson
of Kus is is the lesson of and to train
ourselves and to train our family to be
thinking about these things could you
imagine the of a child that sees that
his parents her parents are so careful
they buy two bottles of ketchup and one
is dairy and one is
meat that child sensitivity to kasas as
they grow get older and as they will
have their own home will be so much more
serious than the person who father or
mother had a heter had a reason to say
everything is kosher and I think that's
an important element in in training our
children what casus is all
about okay last question before we get
to Josh I'll it's really two questions
I'll put them into one we got two
interesting Cur questions one is does a
curig have to be toed and in fact the
person wrote that he sees on the U
website that some say to sell it to a
non Jew Elan could explain what that
process is the second question is an
interesting more of aabas question there
is something on the market it's a manual
curig on the person even shared a link
to it um is there a way perhaps to use
it on chabas maybe if you're doing
cliche is there a bishell issue is there
a Bor issue is there perhaps an issue
when you plunge that needle into the
foil on top of the cake cup maybe you're
ripping letters so elephant can C on
both of those and then we'll get to Josh
in terms of
the of a curing machine and it's great
that you ask the question RAB because if
you're following
our on all which I don't know if you are
you know that we're learning to feel as
now so if we're learning to feel as
most appropriate time to ask the
question there are many reasons why one
does not have to tile a curing machine
it's primarily
plastic and since it's primarily plastic
we don't tal plastic most people don't
say plastic is requiring F there are
only two metal pins in the curing
machine if you're able to take them out
and toal them and put them back that
would be great most people will take
them won't figure out how to take them
out and they certainly won't figure out
have put them back in and therefore it's
not necessarily rebeli told us that we
don't have to tal curing machine I
learned but toia gon and he many times
felt that any
electric um U appliance that you could
only use when it's plugged in is
considered connected to the ground and
may not require Fus it's not
something I would he said we should rely
on by itself but it could be part of a
consideration um if you could somehow
make it
nonusable and then make it usable so
then many pisum as we said on the shear
would consider it a a Jewish
manufactured vessel because you made it
usable and if you want to be able to
sell it to a nonu and then let him use
and give him he gives you permission to
use it great I don't know if it's
absolutely necessary your other question
about the curug machine on
chabas I don't know I would not
recommend that anyone should Brew Coffee
on chabas there are so many questions
that come up with brewing coffee on
chabas would had to make coffee on
chabis
clich Lei um I I I just don't think um
you can you Comm I think that that's
part of being a religious Jew and being
a sham and shabas just not you could
survive the shabas without the Cur
machine excellent okay thank you bant
for joining us and for the message what
to take with us to focus on the small
things and elephant called me out for
not being up to date on that's a small
thing that perhaps I have to follow
better even though I'm administering the
app but I am not up to date on the kits
are learning so thank you reab elephant
and Josh are you there here he is he's
still
muted okay he's unmuted Josh first of
all thank you for this idea wonderful to
spend a few minutes on go ahead those um
I just want to say every beginning has
some ups and downs so like if we didn't
have the volume on right at the
beginning and stuff this is our first
project of trying to get more
interactivity with the all app and the
opportunity to speak to ream so this is
just the first pilot project of what
might be an exciting next few months
ahead yes so Josh we could do an hour
you and I discussing so many fascinating
aspects in your life that would inspire
people but we have a few minutes now so
let's focus on the learning and da part
of it when did you start doing
Dai well it's uh it's been a long
winding road I actually started um uh
studying the do in college at the
Wharton School where we hired a teacher
from Lakewood to come in and teach with
us uh hard to believe it was almost uh
28 years ago and after that I started
learning on the west side where I where
I lived and uh went to different shum
during uh during the day or in the
afternoon um depending on my schedule um
my uh my commitment to learning the do
has increased dramatically uh over the
last 10 or 15 years and I might I'm like
a lot of people who are probably
listening to this or are on the AL off
regularly we use a shottenstein talud
most of our learning is somewhat
self-taught we spend as much time on the
English side as we do on the Hebrew or
maybe even more and even with all that
the aloff app has added so much more so
about 11 years ago I was offered the
opportunity to teach the doomi one day a
week uh at the Sho uh I was attending in
Manhattan and I used to wake up at 4:15
in the morning on Tuesdays that was my
day and if my kids weren't sleeping they
remember seeing me learning at the table
with the gamar which by the way I want
to thank my kids for allowing me to
always be able to give classes now I've
started to teach on Sundays at 8:15 uh
in the morning in Anglewood New Jersey
and that started in 2020 so sometimes my
kids don't know what's for breakfast
that morning but he had they still let
me uh get out and it was really then in
2020 as you know Rabbi schwed that the
alof became a much more fre frequent and
more powerful tool for learning Torah as
the new cycle of the D yomi just
began so you've mentioned your family so
I'm gonna get straight to that how has
the your commitment to daily T Tor
primarily DFI how has that changed
yourself and your family you mentioned a
little bit but maybe elaborate a little
bit on that sure so first of all
obviously um what I tell people who want
to start learning is that when you D in
it's your commitment to talking to to
Hashem to God but when you're learning
it's that God or Hashem is talking to
you and in all relationships you want to
have a two-way communication you want
the ability to talk and to listen and I
think that having that in my home has
really changed the entire my entire home
and the way my kids uh uh react and
behave and and and focus on Torah
learning as well as my extended family
my parents my sister Etc but let me just
tell you a little bit more about what
I've done with the
aloff so uh in 2020 I started using the
aloff more frequently and for those of
you who are not familiar the aloff is a
powerful app it's not just the amount of
learning you could do but the ease of
the app of the app all the shum there is
nothing else online that I can think of
that has made such a difference in
learning like the OU aloff app and
someone even mentioned to me a few
months ago when I was traveling that
outside the Arts SC doomi which was
commissioned by the Shan steam family
there is no single gift to the Jewish
people for learning like the OU alof app
so starting in 2020 and until now since
I give a Shear on Sundays on Saturday
nights my kids know it's usually Pizza
uh taking uh take out pizza bringing it
back to the house and I listen to Rabbi
Rosner Rabbi elephant and Rabbi lewts on
Saturday night and then I finish off
with by stefansky on Sunday morning so I
listen to all four shum as well as other
aspects of what's on the alof app for me
and for others I'm sure it's a complete
Game Cher in terms of understanding the
page and also being able to really uh
review it and study it in a lot more
depth really appreciate
the support Josh one last thing which is
something I'm passionate about and
something you do very very well there
are so many people out there who are
working businessmen family men like
yourself who have realized that they
have the opportunity and the wherewithal
to inspire others to learn as well could
you just share with the audience how
you've done that what you've done very
briefly and how you do it and maybe
others out there to do do it as well
they don't have to be a rabbi they can
go to work and help other others learn
with their passion for learning well
thank you Rabbi I mean um so I've been
working since I graduated college it's
been uh uh over two decades on Wall
Street and what I found was that
especially postco people in the
communities uh around that I were
involved in liked to go to shum to feel
connected again there was a lot of uh
loneliness during covid the inability to
be part of a pod and since 2020 a group
of guys in Anglewood which were
affectionately known as the grumberg
minion which was named in memory of
Irving grumberg one of the fathers of
the the Min grumberg and this was really
since the be probably since the CM
ofis we became this Band of Brothers and
what I mean by that is that each one of
us took a page or a day and we would
commit to teaching it to the other
people in the KRA and this learning has
reel electrified a community the RAS and
daily opportunity these have increased
dramatically the Torah learning in
Anglewood and it's not just the learning
it's the banter it's the camaraderie and
learn the doth is infectious many of the
guys in the group actually said they
have not learned for over 30 years some
of the people in the group said they
haven't even learned for 60 years and
the growth in the learning for this
group of 15 to 20 consistent guys has
been incredible there's also an
Anglewood tourist center at night which
has 65 guys learning in Anglewood all
the rabbis and in the community are
supportive of all the learning that's gr
on and the mid Shear that we have in our
kbra really try to personalize the year
so for me I try to do three things when
I try to start to get people ready for
this year the first is the significance
of the day happy birthday is and other
events obviously Rabbi elepant talked
about Z Sonica in 1839 the first photo
of the Moon was taken by French
photographer lisis tour and that's
connected with a lot of the stuff we've
been learning recently on the
of when the son hedin decides on when
it's an i or when it's Roes we try to do
a bibliography of a rabbi on the page
today's do talks about RAB baraba and
some of us know that in kadan he was
born on the same day yud Nati died we
also know how much he spoke publicly and
M Tanis he was one of the rabbis that
was known to pray for water and we also
read W Rashi out loud as well but the
reason why I decided on the alaf is
because Torah learning on online is the
future anyone who's tracking any of the
sites whether you're using the aloff
which is the number one site all Torah
all paraa all mishna or other sites like
safaria or Wu Torah you will know that
the online website is the growth of
Torah learning and without being
involved in that your head might be in
the sand over the next 15 to 20 years
it's as a high growth potential as any
of the technology Investments that I
would study getting involved in the
aloff today somewhat near still the
ground floor can make a dramatic
difference not just in your own learning
but really for the entire Jewish people
going forward thank you Josh see Josh
didn't think that I invited him I mean I
invited Josh on to speak about learning
thei and here he's a paid commercial for
all that I will appreciate it I've only
known you for about five years and some
people uh who might be on this because I
told some friends I'd be on I'd be on
the uh on the webcast today but
truthfully the amount of learning that I
have picked up has really been catalyzed
by aloff and I speak among a lot of my
friends and this is the site that people
have gone to to Really uh solidify uh
their growth and learning so I hope you
don't realize it's not really a
commercial it's really the truth of my
life that without this site I certainly
wouldn't be anywhere near the learner
that I am today I really appreciate it
the genuine feeling from your heart and
I had one question for my elephant if
he's still on I don't know if he still
is or not on let me see I know he had a
busy day is he still on I see Jacob
ketki is here and I see Y is here thank
you for joining I'll I'll mention one
quick thing Rabbi which is the masin is
known as the only M that starts with a
Greek word there are other masas that
start with Aramaic words but there're
only a few Greek words have been
accepted in the Jewish language
Sanhedrin apit tropus gatria Etc why do
we choose San hedin as the name rather
than it's even a stronger question today
on Z where the fact is is that the
Greeks were trying to nicku Al have a
stop learning Torah and yet we name one
of our
Mar on with with with a Greek uh with
Greek background which means counsel and
clearly there's two messages there one
the more uh the more rational answer is
that at that time when the gamor was
being written you know the Greek was the
accepted first language and Sanhedrin
was a right name for it but I really
think it means more when you think about
the history of the Sanhedrin
how T that the key for the Sedin is to
really have all different languages
understood and all sort of aspects of
azden and therefore Sanhedrin might be
better way to describe what really
happens in a Jewish Court rather than
the traditional bezden which is what
people uh usually would describe a court
of three or 21 or 23 or 71 and that's
really something that I see in the OU Al
off as well many different shum
different types that you can choose from
all these aspects of it it's a it's sort
of like a virtual Sanhedrin for people
who want to learn the do that's an
amazing VOR and analogy and I appreciate
it so let everyone get back to work it's
it's day it's the first day of the new
year so the people on Wall Street really
have to pay attention to what's going on
in the stock market so really thank you
for taking of your time Josh and I see
there only nine people on the zoom but
there are many people the zoom was only
for the people that Josh shared you know
his inner circle and everyone else was
on the YouTube channel so thank you
everybody for coming whether you're on
YouTube you're on Zoom you're on the old
platform and as Josh said let's hope
this is the first of many and let's try
to get together and talk and learn and
grow
frah and a great New Year to everybody
thank you Rabbi appreciate it
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