Rejuvenation: The Fight of Our Lives

[Music] hi everybody good morning Shavua Tov and hottest of this is rejuvenation with ease Harrow on the land official Network broadcasting from Jerusalem and I am very honored to have Gloria Greenfield with me this morning the producer and director of the fight of our lives defeating the ideological war against the West excuse me everybody from a little bit I came back from two weeks in the States what was actually a very amazing speaking tour but I came back paying the price and I came back Friday also right before Shabbat to the terrible news the two of our soldiers had been killed and so I want to before we start with the interview just to give from the bottom of my heart and I know Gloria's as well and everybody in Israel our condolences to the families of methanol and Zieve wishing a complete recovery to two soldiers were also very badly injured and I was listening to well last night they they they talked to the mother of Newton L his family is Ramesh Abbas and so they got the news after Shabbat started the dreaded knock on the door and she was talking about how she just wanted to thank God for the 20 years of having her son and then the news was talking about the terrorists and saying he was a lone wolf which is what we hear all the time he acted alone he stepped on the gas he wasn't involved really with any terror organization and and then I went with my husband last night to see a glorious film in Jerusalem and and we're going to talk more about the film now in depth but one of the things that comes out so strongly in the film is that there is an ideological component to all these lone wolves they may be acting alone in the sense of they didn't get a a like a command from a specific cell or a specific you know terrorists that said now you go out and do it but the underpinnings of what they're doing and the ideology and the push behind it is all very much part of a very big swamp so first of all Gloria this is your fourth film yes and I've seen all the rest and they've just been incredible so first let's how my it's a little bit about yourself and then we'll get into the film itself my background is in both previous prior to becoming a filmmaker my background was in both marketing and media related [Music] venues and then I got very involved in adult Jewish learning and education has been very important to me and that is why I decided in in 2006 that the direction I was going to go in was film that film was a very effective venue for creating community conversations impacting policy and in educating you bringing out facts so that people could come to their own decisions but people it will give people the context of how to how to process the so that they could process the information and and really rather than follow a dogma think independently and what inclusions write right we don't often find that you stay so often it's not something to take for granted so in 2007 I began working on the first film which I didn't direct I produced the case for Israel democracy's out outpost with an Israeli director and that film came out in 2008 and after that after that film came out I made the decision that I was going to to move on with Doc EMA Productions which is a nonprofit organization to produce and disseminate films that strengthen Jewish identity Jewish nation hood and the values of freedom and democracy so this is the fourth film this was the first film that didn't come out exactly three years after the first when it came out four years because my husband and I made a move in the country and and also I had a very sick sister who I wanted to give time to so so it was four years okay where years ago right and I think I mean I'm sure I interviewed you at least one other time I've seen all your films so this one is I mean having just come back from the states and so many of the things that I'm talking about with people in America that's where that's where I was on this trip but I was also in London in the UK at Linwood UK at the end of December so many of the things that you talk about here are things that I'm seeing that I'm talking about mainly that this is well with the film and and I want you really to explain to my listeners this it's not about so much Islamic fundamentalism as it is what we think of as America like what is happening on the not just the campuses but we just spoke two minutes ago you said about people thinking for themselves I think this is a war and people thinking for themselves or what Richard land is called cognitive warfare that's part of the problem here is that people are being told that if you don't think a certain way you're just stupid or out of line or and politically correct so can also fascist and also fascist so what is going on in the West right now it's almost like the West is eating itself the West is eating itself the West is has turned on itself it's taken a suicidal turn look you know from my perspective you know we could go back to the demoralization campaigns that the KGB was involved in mmm-hmm you know and those those seeds have blossomed and it doesn't matter that the Soviet Union fell because their impact didn't fall right so we find these terrible ideologies really that anti Western ideologies post-holocaust that were really you know promoted by Foucault and Edward Sayid etc that really painted the West as the source of all evil mmm-hmm and I mean Foucault and Sayid even went as far as applauding but right before Iranian Revolution and going into the Iranian Iranian Revolution they applauded the Ayatollah and saying this was you know this was wonderful that that you know that's what the world needs I mean they were very very demented and unfortunately it spread like well so wildfire and and and and that's what's being taught in the universities in in the West today whether it's whether it's North America or or Europe it's it's it's a terrible thing of of all the problems will be solved if we get away from nations and if we get away from a Western tradition so what does it mean to get away from Western tradition Western tradition is the foundation of Western tradition is the Hebrew Bible right and so how then that what that you take that a step further if you want to destroy the West you destroyed Judaism Christianity mhm and and that's what we're seeing we're really seeing a holy war losing a holy war against both Judaism and Christianity and Jews and Christians now there are others who are also being persecuted but if we're looking at what's happening to the West we cannot ignore the the war against Judaism and Christianity it's a terrible thing and and so what we're facing is assault from secularism mmm-hmm and from jihad but this the secularism and the anti-western sentiment makes us much more vulnerable to external threats right so I'm seeing this and I've talked my listeners have heard this and they're going to continue to hear this that this is a religious war yeah so it's it's but it's a religious war in different levels I definitely think it's the war of Islam against Judaism and Christianity they are the only true religion and they need to control the world but it's also as you just mentioned now it's war against religion completely it's a war against God I think that's what this secularism is and somebody made that point loss I don't remember how they had so many wonderful people that you interviewed is that you have one second what are my thoughts go on this you have this almost unholy alliance between Islam this you know fanatic Islam and people who you would think would be the most opposed to everything that Islam stands for in terms of what they pronounce is liberalism feminism and black and all of that so it's like they've wrapped around two men in the back and they met with anti-semitism and anti-christian Atia essentially anti Bible right so where do you I mean you're saying that the underpinnings here are the Soviets but you made a very interesting comment you said post-holocaust right so do you think that because somebody does mention that in the film you think world war two is a turning point here when it comes to actually democracy's coming out against democracies yeah some people may say that you know it started that really from a European perspective it might have been the first world war okay but I think from a Western perspective it was really or it went to a new level mm-hm with with the second world war with the Holika with a Holocaust because it was a way of they're dealing with their intense guilt that it was the fault of the West it wasn't it it it sort of let those who were silent off the hook by Bruce Thornton a professor a historian at the state at California State at Fresno makes the point and I think it's a very important point it's very deep point and it needs reflection as I would say most of the commentators in the film this is a film that one must watch more than once yes yeah and but he makes the point that what has happened is that we've let go of consequences of our actions right and and and and that we demand to be happy we don't want to be burdened with anything and if anything goes wrong it's not r4 even if it goes wrong because of our actions it's not our fault it's the fault of the system everyone's a victim everyone is a victim a victim of the system so we need to destroy the system now I I just like to go back to something you said because I think you were right on but let's let's not forget that those those who are against say that they're against religion oddly enough they're not against Islam yeah isn't it strange yeah yeah yeah so they'll make accommodations they'll they'll turn you know the hijab right int into women's liberation right you know and female circumcision is okay because we can't interfere with what their culture says that they are allowed to do right right that's the cultural relativism that that is spoken about particularly by Professor Victor Davis Hanson and okay so the film starts with with really an understandin it does examine the internal threats like what are these ideologies that have emerged post post Holocaust post-world War two that are being permeated now have penetrated Western universities West and and the public square that have a really destroying trying to destroy our values and cultural relativism is one of them a cultural relative's relativism which which actually as Philip Karl's Salzmann explains in the film was developed as as a research technique for anthropologists in the field but it was adopted by ideologues to tell people that we have no right to judge we have no right to judge another culture that one culture is not any better than another culture which is an insane thing to say right you know so that that and then there's another there's another ideology that Victor Davis Hanson speaks about which he terms utopium utopian pacifism which is Illya net okay so that's illustrated by it by I mean it's almost a sense of of it combines with it combines with cultural relativism because it assumes that everybody is innately good yes everybody's in a and as Barack Obama did on his what what Victor rightly terms his apology tour when he gave his Cairo speech and he apologized he apologized he told a Chamberlain he apologized to the the Muslim countries for for the United States being a terrible terrible colonialism yes and that if only if only and he went into this saying if only if only we apologize and bow down to them then they will be nice and they won't hurt us well that's that since that's crazy that that's not based in reality right you know one has to question is was that were there other motives behind behind his doing that to degrade the West in that way but that's utopian pacifism assuming that everybody's fun you know nice if you're only nice to them if you only like bring people into your home I mean we could look at some of the tragic stories from Sweden of very nice Swedes who have opened up their homes to the immigrants that to the immigrants and terrible sub terrible things have happened right you know and and and I think that it's it's very important for us to to fight to maintain a realistic sense of what the what the potentials are both good and bad if we do not adhere to standards of morality if we do not if we do not stay true to biblical morality we start facing some very very frightening you know possibilities well that's what someone says the film again if lib if everybody's ideas are okay and we've left kind of the biblical mores upon which Western civilization was founded I mean really and you know I think a lot of Jews don't realize that but it's the mores of the Torah and it's the framework of what's okay a family for example instead of you know having some kind of family structure if that's not okay then and everyone can make their own decisions about what they're going to do then you just start seeing society falling apart and you know it's interesting because living here in Israel the film was shown in Jerusalem last night of course living here in Israel so we danced a little bit I think with Oslo with going down that road of if we just would give them something they won't hate us it has nothing to do with an inherent hatred of wanting to get rid of us of anything religious it's just if we gave them a little more there's something bad that we have done if we just make up for that they will like us and Israel's pulled back from that unfortunately we've had no choice I mean we've seen the true face of evil but they doesn't seem like anybody talks like that anymore the true face of evil or the idea is that there's good and bad in the world yeah I know you if you in in look I mean I know that this is true for Europe as well but else as an American I'll speak I'll speak about the in the United States if you talk about good and evil people look at you like you're just a freak you're a freak and you're a hateful person and fascist yeah you know and and that's a very dangerous situation because there is good and evil yes there is and if one doesn't recognize that that there is an intent out there to destroy your way of life then you're gonna lose Emmanuel Atul ng from the foundation for defense of democracy democracies makes a very very important point in the film he says that we must it is absolutely necessary for us to learn to be intolerant of the intolerant right I mean and and and it's he's not the first philosopher or or scholar to say that I mean it has been said throughout the age and people today don't understand that they don't understand that if you allow if you tolerate intolerance the the intolerance is a cancer and it's going to consume your society well the basis of American the basis of Democracies in general would be freedom of speech right so at some point our freedom of speech means that every person who's got a terrible thing to say is also allowed to say it which is the underpinning and is that good but what happens when people don't realize that what he's saying is awful right you have like a Linda Sarsour in America now right who I think is just a horrific human being okay yet she's can stand up and say whatever she want and lead women's marches and instead of people saying though that this woman is is advocating for a life that will destroy America if we follow her she's getting a following so where's the problem here well the rhythm of speech or with the mindset that people that they think what she's saying is okay well the problem here is that those who want to criticize her those who want to stand up and say this is this is this is a person who is who is lying to you this is a person who is promoting hate right exactly if we tried if we when we stand up and say that we are labeled as being Islamophobic we are labeled as being racist right and there's only freedom of speech now for those who adhere to the progressive agenda if you are not politically correct you are not you are not allowed to speak and it's interesting with this film because this film really takes on you know many aspects of political correctness and so the film was just released on February 19th and this was the Israel premiere but it was the seventh screening I mean I toured first throughout California and in in several audiences there was oh there was usually one or two individuals that were crying I'm not surprised yeah because they were not they weren't crying because they were offended by the film they were crying because they didn't realize how dangerous things have gotten oh yeah I think we're at a tipping point yeah when it goes to the West yeah so look one of the things that's really precious about about Israel is that there is there you're not struggling possible I would say not even in television you're not struggling with with adherence to God and and Judaism and Christianity for the Christians who are here there's there's an understanding that God is part of the daily life yes it is secularism is is very dangerous and it permeates the West and and and it's a blessing that that that Israel is a role model but unfortunately I agree with you on yeah maybe it's Joe's a role model when I take people around here especially not just Christians and Jews when I take Jews and Christians around Israel and they were here because you really need to be here to feel yeah I say that the West needs Israel more than Israel needs the West you know there's a tendency to look it Israel like this little stepchild that out of guilts from a Holocaust or whatever it is the world needs to be nice to and whatever and I think it's quite the opposite I think we are the last bastion of that idea and and I'm not saying that everybody here in Israel's religious because this is not a theocracy and Israelis are all stripes and and all kinds of levels of observance but there is an idea that God is present in this country yeah and there's and so it's interesting because there's a difference in religion and understanding of God organized religion understanding of God and in Israel you really understand it like I myself and I consider myself a traditional person have a lot of problems with the rabbinate and I think things need to be changed but no way does that undermine my feeling that were God people and the God is present in the world and that's what America used to be like and isn't anymore and it's been replaced by this rampant whatever this rampant secularism yeah and where do we go with that well but but I do need to to say that we often when we look at the United States we often look at the coasts yes at the Northeast primacy Calif the West Coast right and we forget the parentheses instead of what's in the parentheses bin' and I had the opportunity and privilege I considered a privilege now if we were going to be in this if we're going to be in the states to move to Tennessee to move into the Bible Belt really yeah and I'll tell you God is present and oh yeah and and and and that it that is what that is where the potential to save the United States is mm-hmm well that's what led to the current administration and I mean can you imagine if we'd had a continuation of the Obama years no no no that would have been a no return yeah no I mean and and and and God is present everywhere you turn in in the lives of Tennesseans mm-hmm now there are some pockets of progressivism and which I hate I have to say I hate that term because it's a positive term but it's moving forward right it's really not now though the progressivism today is is really not progressive is right it is really a totalitarian movement it is a movement that promotes the silencing of opposition right and and it also it's it's it's it's changing the meaning of words it's it's it's a it's new speech the girl is not what it used to know classic liberalism is is is is not what the issue is I mean we need to protect classic liberal value as classic liberal values are based on the Bible right you know what we're talk about when people we and we really shouldn't even use the term liberalism anymore to describe what's happening in the left it's really progressivism which is it has a new meaning it means that your anti-western right your anti-male yes God is no longer the Creator we are the you no man is the Creator right and that gets manifested in some very dangerous ways mm-hmm yeah mm-hmm yeah who for whom is your what is your intended audience because listening to the film last night you have a lot of professors you have a lot of philosophers I mean people that I follow but I'm immersed in this world because also I have to be able to speak about it in different places that I go but a lot of the terminology that's used a lot of the thinking I don't know if it's not so much accessible but but easily understood by like lay people right so so for whom did you make who didn't make this film for well as with all my films I accept I think this one more so I mean I I won't dumb down anything I think that is important for us to help audiences to stretch but because of what's happening now because of the level of danger that meant that we see it's a very important that this film reached policymakers and reach university scholars and and administrators that are not yet anti-western and I have to tell you that some of the communities that I have shown the film to in California where the where the attendees were mostly for instance in Fresno California it was a wonderful audience it was a it was it was a it was a screening event that was co-sponsored by mega church and Habad of Fresno really yeah both communities came together and on both sides there were farmers and I think it's the grape capital of the world or something yeah well the well there's there's raisins yeah frogs and Victor Davis Hanson lives there from now yeah and they they understood the issues because because they hear about it whether on Shabbat right by the rabbi in Africa bod or by their passengers the pastor's talk about on Sundays they know what's going on they the the the evangelical Christians get what's going on and I've been getting at which is I and this is very sad for me to say but because of the disconnection that the the rate of disconnection between in diaspora Judy jewelry the disconnection between them and the Land of Israel yes is horrifying and thank God that we have allies that we have partners in the evangelical world because if we had to depend upon ourselves it would be frightening well I was just at AIPAC two weeks ago which is the big lobby group for Israel 18,000 people both Jews and on who loved Israel one of the discussions that was going on of course is about the campuses which is the bottleneck for all the future leaders and you know as Jews and also I know from Christians that I speak to a lot of whom are not sending their kids to the campuses because it's like throwing I talk about it like throwing goldfish into a shark tank and they are just going to get everything taken apart that we've spent 18 or 19 years putting into our kids but it's not just the Jewish and Christian kids on campus it's also the future congressman that's right a future politicians and it's the future teachers and the future professors and this is what they're being exposed to so in 10 or 15 or 20 years from now this is all that's going to be taught because that's what they're being taught now right except there is a growing movement among conservative scholars and administrators and unfortunately they're in the minority but they exist and their Institute's that are being founded and that are growing to counter this to counter the anti-western sentiment which includes the anti judeo-christian values and and I think I I see them as having a great impact that I made this film to be used in classrooms not necessarily I mean campus screenings are nice but what happens with campus screenings is that those who you know who support the issues they attend by others and the other accept and that's also important because it helps with language it helps with con you know - sure to deepen the analysis and then those who really need to hear it are protesting outside the building I measure impact for this film by the number of professors that will integrate it into their curriculum and and I have to say I'm just I'm really I'm just pleased because I've been getting I even I got an email from a professor in Paris a few days ago saying that it's because he had ordered before the film came out he ordered the DVD he received the DVD he watched it he said this is fabulous I am using it in my classroom and that's why I made this film from now the university is not the only place that we have to work on we have to work on the public square we have to work on the policy makers right and synagogues and churches Oh synagogues and churches absolutely and and I see my biggest challenge frankly in the in the Jewish world right either reform or even that conservative yes going to screen these right and there are there are and they're brave enough to do are they brave enough to do it and it's it's going to be interesting to see mm-hmm well that's you have quite a battle in front of you on that what languages I know your other films have been translated into different languages do you have that plan for this film as well you said your professor in Paris yeah so so right now the film is in the process of being translated into French and as soon as I get the funding to translate it into other languages I can do that and then also when there are wet weather cable or broadcast companies that decide that they want to do it in that country then they can also translate it which happened in in Sweden Finland and Estonia before it for the last film but my plan is as as soon as the angel steps forward it says here translated into the languages then it will be translated into those languages have a deeper it's not the campuses here in Israel are not so grateful no I understand that this I got funding for the French that's what the French started okay so my films the the previous three films have been translated into Arabic French Hebrew jerk I'm sorry Arabic French German Hebrew Italian Portuguese Russian Spanish and then body and soul also in Swedish and Estonian and Finnish yeah that Russian oh I'm sorry you didn't say Russian no I don't know maybe you did nice yeah because I remember it but in alphabetical order Arabic French German Italian Portuguese Russian and Spanish I think I might have forgotten Russian before yeah Russian they were all in Russian yeah you know I wonder sometimes if people are looking for like a strong leader and then overstepping like we talked about really the dearth of leadership in the world right now in so many levels and the people that come to mind is the strong leaders are the ones who are not necessarily someone you would want as part of your family let's say you Putin everybody says what a great leader Putin is for Russia he's not great for the rest of the world but everybody knows he has Russian interest at heart you certainly can't call him you know raised on Thomas Jefferson or anything like that so are we playing with fire here that we're looking for somebody will kind of make seder as we say like make it alright or make it all you know make a make our country safe however your when you do that you you can close it down as well you end up with totalitarian regimes and like we see all around here in the Middle East like we see what's happened now in Turkey is your Europe and and I don't know about America yet is Europe teetering on that where you have I mean I even think let's say of Andrea Merkel who's led in all these Syrian refugees that she was democratically elected and I know we have to be careful specifically when we talk about Germany there's are a lot of unhappy people that she did that it's not something can be walked back at all it's not something that could be walked out and I think they've reached a point of no return I mean we know that the birthrate in in Germany is abominable so what is lowest in the world yeah and so so what so what did she do did she make a decision that they were gonna deal with with non-existent birthrate by bringing in migrants right have a work force and she has come out and said I believe she has come out and said that people have just better get used to the idea that it's going to be a Muslim country Wow well that's amazing so well used to be that immigration and someone speaks about it in the film used to be that immigration was within a generation or two you were your host country so I know let's say my grandparents who left Czarist Russia you know probably I don't know close to a hundred years ago now but they became the most loyal and the most patriotic Americans that you could ever ask right but now what you have an immigration especially let's say in Europe but I think in the United States also is it's okay to think that they keep doing their own thing that they don't get integrated right and there's also a outside of Middle America or so again we're pointing to the coast right there's not an intense sense of patriotism you can't sustain a society without patriotism but you do have that that sense of patriotism in middle middle America thank God look I I think that there are different in a healthy society when when you come out of a period of of eight years of having a leader that was not particularly patriotic right and was not at least not leading the country in a direction of of pride and unity no he was apologizing for being an American almost apologized not almost and also and also really Fanning the flames of discord in the grace ISM ironically you need a corrective so the next stage might not necessarily be your ideal but it might be your ideal corrective mm-hmm you know and I think that we need to be appreciative of the fact that we have work we have that corrective right now right now right now we have that corrective yeah yeah but I don't know we can't just sit and say okay now everything is fine no no no no not everything there's like an opportunity here to make longer-term correct that's right there's an opportunity here to what while the administration or while the leadership breaks down the political correctness by just throwing you know really I we need to be part of that confrontation of political correctness we need to be part of the disempowerment of political correctness we need to be able to speak truth and we need to be able to based on facts right and we need to be able to establish the the higher hierarchy of facts and truth over ideology right what did someone say last night that ideology can't fight ideology with facts because the feeling is that they're looking for a perfect world right and therefore if you fight them you're evil you don't want the world to be good right so you become the problem right right look I I think that it's important it's a we have a huge in front of us it's important for us not to be hopeless we can't do it ourselves we will have I do believe we will have the help of God but we need to act yeah we need to fight this and we need to stand up and we need to not be touchable we yeah we need to be not intimidated by any accusations that will be thrown at us you know I look in the Bible and I sometimes and a lot of us wonder why are people's flaws pointed out you know you hear you have King David who's who's King David and the writer of Psalms and and Messiah will come we believe that he will still come others believe he has come from David but why is he shown as not a great husband not a great father and I think it so that the Bible can say this is wrong and this is right that it can give us that that morality if everybody's doing everything right then there's no there's no sense of no this was wrong and you were punished for it or even as the people the things why would the - I was the first temple destroyed why was the second temple destroyed the first temple was destroyed because of idolatry because of murder because of improper sexual behavior and that's a tremendous punishment for that but by by having by the people having done it and then having the punishment the Bible lays out this is wrong mm-hmm this is wrong and in today's world sometimes you feel like nothing's wrong like you know if someone's a pedophile it's because he was abused when he was a child so you can't really blame him because there's you know that's just the way it is so there's no sense of personal responsibility there's no sense of yeah we're all born with weaknesses we're all born with tendencies you have to overcome yourself to become the better person that God wants you to be yeah and you also I believe you also need to stand up and do what you can even if you're not perfect right if you you know a great point yeah I mean and and we need to also not to expect what happened I think one of the things that's happening is is that when opposition stands up and and and is willing to take a leadership role they become vulnerable to attack from who they're opposing right well we see what's happening in this country yeah and we see what's happening also in the United States right and and and people have to and and and and what's what's dangerous in in that is that it's it's a one-way street if we look at I mean Obama actually recently made a statement that there was no scandals during his administration that is the most insane thing for him to say there are a lot so I lots of scandals but he is mister Teflon and also the media it which is unfortunately a very big part of this problem that we're discussing I'll covers up for a lot of yeah the media is the mainstream media mainstream media is is is it's like the change of language like the reconstruction of of language mainstream media has been reconstructed not to be a conveyor of fact but to be a conveyor of ideology you know and I was interesting a very very brilliant professor of media systems who I interviewed but I wasn't able to put it in the film because I had to really focus in on the the most the highest priority issues so that the film wouldn't be two hours okay next film yeah yeah but he he talked about during the interview he talked about that there was a point where print media was really suffering financially and they each of them from also all sides made a decision that they had to choose a constituency and that's who they were gonna that's who they were gonna write for that constituency to keep that constituency because that was their install was an installed base that was their guaranteed revenue that explains the New York Times and it there yeah but it's but it's the problem is is that it's throughout mainstream media right you know so so we we subscribe I've to the media that supports what we think and we don't have the option anymore of saying I am so in mainstream media of supporting this a particular specific media because we know that that's where we're gonna get the facts that's where I we're not gonna get you know the editorializing that's right we're gonna get the facts mm-hmm and that's why that's why alternative media has been emerging in a very strong way odd cast and others we need this we need this or else we would just we won't have any context for anything mm-hmm so what what's your feeling I know you feel that and I also do that in the end God will come through well yeah only if we act and my only question is also the price that we pay you know that that's it like I do think in the end things will be fine the question is what happens between now and then and do we deserve it to be fine is going to be despite us or because of us and and I think though that this gives and also really relaxed I think of really great leadership like we've had in the past in the world allows little people let's say like myself or you're not a little person but someone who's not necessarily elected or famous to be able to have some kind of an impact but I think that everybody has that possibility now to do something and my listeners know because I harp on this all the time if you're not doing anything you're letting the bad guys win because they don't stop for a minute right silent I mean this is you know I know that this is you know a corny phrase but it's true silence is complicity yeah you know we can't be everybody needs to figure out what they can do and it needs to be we need a comprehensive opposition to the words that gonna come from I mean it's not going to come and say from a political party and Israel or not in America or Australia or anything that I see there it's it's it's grassroots I I actually think it's grassroots it has to be grassroots because again you're right it's not it's not necessarily you know from a general perspective coming from leadership and and it's but we're not intimidating you know as a matter of fact we are being intimidating right we need to stop being intimidated we we need to stop thinking that you know the user would would in my generation I'm 68 this year in my generation you know we used to what are the things that we're always taught in school was sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me not true anyway it's not true anymore but we need to we need to we need to stand firm we need to have a good sense of ourselves and and and Iker in the conclusion of the film he says that that we must maintain our self-concept as moral actors that's where I think Israel has a huge role to play yeah and that's how yeah we will not be intimidated right and we will face down evil and I know that when people come here one of the greatest things that I've ever heard was somebody saying to me you totally reframed what I thought Jews were because here in Israel because all they they were from the states they'd never met any kind of Jew who was nationalistic who was proud who felt that I mean I think um the sign of God in the world cuz he brought me home which is good news for everybody that God keeps his promises yeah and that it's insane that there's any Jews at all and here we are doing really well and get it in being strong and unlike the Christians of the Middle East which was talked about in the film who are just being slaughtered at a rate of like one every six minutes or some insane number like that every six minutes a Christian or a Christian someplace in the world skills because of being Christian because of being Chris just a robbery rights killed for his religion right amazing and here in Israel the only reason it's not happening to the Jews in Middle East it's as we carved out a little place for ourselves and we're protecting ourselves with everything we've got right right and so I think that that's a sign that other people can do that as well if we do it so can others if they have the will to do if they have the will - the question right and people need to really ask themselves do you really want to live in the world that we will be facing if we don't stand up and protect the work that the values and the morals the moral standing the that that that that we don't have terrorists so many people have died for in world wars right you know and people say you know it's too hard I don't well think about how difficult it's gonna be yeah it's it's really pretty bad and and and and there's no reason to be afraid mm-hmm because if you're gonna think about fear think about the fear that's gonna exist down the road if we don't do something well you know where was I reading it was last year and I've mentioned this before that something like 10 or 12 leaders the year of European countries don't have children including Merkel and others and that means that they're making decisions about a future in which they really have no personal stake that's right and that's what having children means is that you are in for the future when you you're not around you are still wanting to make you know if you don't want carbon emissions or whatever it is you're hoping to leave a better world for your kids when you don't have that when your society if you don't have your own kids but when your society is not oriented towards children it's a very different kind of society it is I mean I nail Ferguson points to that yeah he points to that when he talks about Burks analysis of the French Revolution and and and he talks about the importance of a pact between the past the present and the future and I illustrated by his grandfather's fought in both World War Wars to make sure that the world was a better place for him and he hadn't even been born yet you know and we don't you have it in Israel we don't have it outside of Israel right well you look in a couple weeks time it's now the it's now Nissan it's now the Jewish month of Nissan and less than a you know just a few days we're going to be sitting down for Passover Seder and Passover Seder is really the the prime example I think of historical memory because we sit and we say we came out of Egypt we were slaves we came out of Egypt and so that connects us with our past and we sit there and it's all about the kids and it's all about making it relevant for the kids and it's about the future so I'm so proud to belong to a people you know who feels like that and you know and again just to get back to this the last that the two soldiers that were killed on Friday so they were killed in mirror near dawn near the Valley of Doulton and no time for those who don't know is where Joseph is taken to Egypt that's where the pit is that he's thrown in and he's taken by the Israelites Egypt which starts our whole sojourn that we're going to be celebrating the end of in a few days and so when you live here in the land you feel it's not the past is not just the past and the future is not just the future the president the president it's all somehow wrapped together and I feel incredibly grateful to be a part of a people that can still be the light into the nations in ways that we didn't think of before and we're what your film is is showing once again the relevance of the Bible once again the relevance of the people of the Bible in a way that we wouldn't have imagined before but the you know the the fight against the West imploding and really eating itself up and I think that that's very important for all of us to remember and to be grateful that we live in a time that we can do this yeah I wanted to share one other thing that I just remembered which is that I the the North American premiere of the film was shown in Santa Monica the David Horowitz Freedom Center sponsored the screening at the broad stage and it was a great event and recently I've gotten an email from one of the women who was at the screening and she told me that groups of women have been meeting together watching the film and discussing it really yes amazing you know that my films are organized into chapters that so that it is easy for study groups right or classrooms to watch it a chapter at a time and then discuss it and so I'm really excited because this is the cut my intention for all the films has been to be educational resource his tools or weapons for people to use to fight for what's right mm-hmm but definitely without education without understanding the problem yeah then we have it's not gonna we're not gonna able to win the battle at all so Gloria Greenfield producer and director the fight of our lives defeating the ideological war against the West if anybody listening wants to get a hold of the DVD and show the film where can they go for that your website yes there's a website for the film it's it's the fight of our lives it you have to have the fight of our lives calm okay everybody do it it's not an easy film to watch you might have to stop and look up something even in the dictionary really because it's very very bright people making very important points but we have to see it we have to see it and we have to act on it and not just ignore it because it really is the fight of our lives without question Gloria thank you so much for joining me today thank you so many thanks to Ben and to Tabitha you have been listening to a slightly hoarse hopefully I'll be better next week Eve herro our rejuvenation for the Land of Israel Network take care everybody goodbye for now