Rejuvenation: Coffe con Fe

[Music] hi everybody eve harrow rejuvenation on the land of israel network it is almost sunset on august 23rd 2020 the third moving into the fourth day of a little 57-80 and i'm very honored to have with me zooming in from miami i am of course in israel rabbi pinchas brenner who is no less than the ambassador from venezuela to israel among quite a few other things so robbie brenner thank you so much for joining me today on the land of israel network thanking thank you for allowing me to be with you and to get to your audience so um perhaps i ran across your blog and also some of your youtubes uh coffee and faith and you seem to give a delightful message of course in english and of course in spanish but perhaps tell my listeners a little bit about your background and what brought you to where you are today well i was born in poland but my late father received an invitation to go to peru in south america because a number of people from my mother's hometown where i was born also had settled in peru and the community grew and they felt they needed the services of a rabbi who could do many other things my late father was also shoghi tamal he knew everything uh that uh somebody in the religious field should know except for one thing and he always told me he regrets that he wasn't a sulfur because during the second world war sometimes you needed to do something in a safer torah and he didn't want to touch that because he didn't know sakuras but everything else so thank god for that my late father left in august 1934. oh my peru and in december his wife and three sons left poland uh after he settled they settled in and we arrived in january to lima peru and that's where i spent my youth until i finished high school and then my father shipped me off to yeshiva university and i lived in new york for 20 years and i was a rabbi in new york for 12 years and then came the call to go to venezuela and i was in venezuela for 44 years wow a number of years that i'm retired um so your family just to go back to world war ii i mean thank god you you got out of germany right before everything comes crashing down out of poland right out of out of uh german clutches right before uh world war ii but i imagine that you had family that was left behind in poland were you able because you were in peru to try and get them out how did that work they all perished all of them wow wow so uh being being in south america saved you your father's absolutely unbelievable my father wanted to see the big world that's the truth and when that opportunity came he simply left because he felt there was a great world out there because we lived in villages really i was born in the middle ages you know electricity never failed in the village we had no electricity no running water it was wow really it was very much ahead of poland so you know i'm curious because my husband and i were in portugal just about a year ago september it'll be a year and we went on a trip my listeners have heard this before the you know looking for the remains of jews from the inquisition portugal and spain many of whom either as crypto christian or jews or as hidden christians actually fled to south america and we learned a lot about people who had gone to brazil i have since met people who came back to judaism who found out that they had jewish roots from mexico from brazil was that the situation also in peru or not so much no i don't think so but a number of descendants from muranos obviously i remember we had a neighbor next door in lima peru somebody passed away and for seven days they didn't leave the house they had no idea why but they weren't jewish non-jewish neighbors not at all but they knew that in their family after somebody dies you stay home for seven days so clearly they had some jewish roots this is one of the things that held on yes right and people who everyone in the family is allergic to pork or you like two candles friday nights right so but they don't remember why um so what was the jewish community like in in lima and lima was great it still is very good at the time when we were there when i was there there were about six thousand jews i remember today it's more like two and a half thousand to three thousand because we had a dictator that was a leftist and at that time many people left peru and once you leave and especially if the children become integrated to the new environment most people don't turn back even if situation changes was there anti-semitism in venezuela either from classic anti-semitism which your family managed to escape from europe now you're asking me about venezuela is that it yeah no no i'm so excited about all these the places that you've been to so both what first peru and then afterwards venezuela was there a difference between the united states from peru i went to the united states i know right now the reason i went to venezuela is because i was there on a mission of the rabbinical council of america a few years before in order to help them with some publications of what happened and it was the first time that the jewish community in venezuela met an orthodox rabbi who spoke spanish because all their rabbis up to them were yiddish speaking rabbis so they took an interest in me and but they didn't have a synagogue yet they had just a big hole in the ground they were going to build a synagogue and then they got in touch with me four and a half years later and asked me if i'd be interested in coming they already built the synagogue and so on they invited me to come for a week i went with my wife and we came to an agreement eventually and this is how i ended up the reason i really went is because i felt that i have the added value of spanish while in new york there are a thousand rabbis that can do the same thing as i can do but in peru in or in that case in venezuela right there weren't too many candidates that could fill that so i felt i really should return to latin america and i thought i was going there for five years number 44. for some of us the year 2020 is looking like that it's just like a lot longer than we than the usual so what was the jewish community excuse me for mixing up venezuela and peru before what was the community like there uh in venezuela oh great great also i don't think there has a community like that anywhere in the world the jewish community great such strong ties with israel you know and an interchange at all times you know i remember once menachem bacon and his late wife aliza had dinner in our house on a friday night he gave me a copy of his book hamerid and he autographed it you know at that time maybe i didn't feel that much of an importance to it i i appreciate it i don't wanna say he certainly was a tremendous gentleman you know but that was before he was prime minister i think he didn't even dream at that time that he would ever become prime minister but i was raised in lima peru in bethar passed away in 1940 i think it was in long island in some camp beta he passed away well we put up a picture of jabotinsky with a black ribbon around it and a candle in front and we stood guard for 24 hours every hour the guard would change a boy and a girl would stand and i was one of the pairs that stood guard for the picture of zev jabotinsky zionism was always an integral part of my life aside from you know what the torah tells us in jewish tradition it was a political zionism it was also an integral part of my life and the jewish community in venezuela was so close to that you couldn't die without contributing to the karen a assault you couldn't make a bar mitzvah without doing it you know they made sure that everybody contributed to the karen i saw it and there was this constant interchange between people traveling and going and many people settled there of course as well and there was jewish education there was a day school well we had a day school with all with about two thousand three hundred children it now has about six hundred more than three quarters three quarters of the jewish population of venezuela left because of the political situation absolutely only because of that were there were there kidnappings there as well i remember a few years ago being friendly with someone right now we don't hear that much about it but a few years ago was tremendous jewish jewish people taken hostage and the families had to pay ransom right ransom right wow wow so what was i mean you lived there if you lived there for 44 years you lived there through a lot of turbulent times what until until the year 1998 which is when the late chavez became president right you had 40 years of democracy in venezuela you know a very tolerant people you know i had access to everybody in venezuela from the president down all the religious leaders everything was open but then we thought you know people get tired unfortunately of the good things also they become you know the same thing and there's always something wrong you know it no system is perfect winston churchill said among the imperfect democracy is the best among the bad ones right no good system really so that people become dissatisfied and they thought this corruption you know here comes a military guy a colonel he is going to put order into the country because years prior there was once a dictator if you didn't mix into politics life was great you could live with your doors open no crime they thought once again there'll be no corruption or whatever but it turned out to be something altogether different because this guy was a communist really you know i think what you're saying now maybe should be heard by a lot of people in western countries who i think including people here in israel i would say but not only who i think are are taking for granted some of the greatness of the countries that they live in and maybe complaining a little bit too much or exaggerating some of the bad things that there are and as you said in every country there's going to be corruption and bad people and things going on that shouldn't go on and racism and certain things like that but um without understanding that the alternative can be much worse which is exactly what happened to venezuela so maybe that's a a message that should be heard through your experience of you know what you lived through and uh destroyed the country well let me tell you i believe that if you want to opine if you want to say something about israel's political system move there go there if you don't live in israel just just support israel but i agree 100 with you you know people get tired of that in the united states we're going through a very difficult time right now with the election there's a lot of leanings who knows where this is taking us many people are not so worried but personally i am i i think that we are turning a little bit too much left but in the united i'm and i know and i think that the latest deal with the united arab emirates is a great deal even though some people you know detracted nobody's ever satisfied you know there's a word in hebrew left do you know what that means i most certainly do actually it's not a it's not a hebrew word it's a yiddish word there's no such concept i don't know how to say la fagin in spanish or in english even it's a very jewish thing somehow i'm searching for the word in english it doesn't translate i don't think there's a real good word for rabbi sullivachik once said he was my revere teacher as he was the real teacher of rabbi riskin rabbi salvage once said it is much easier to go be menachem oval somebody you know you feel with himself than to real rejoice in his success that is harder and for my speaker my listeners who don't speak hebrew don't understand hebrew it's easier to uh go and visit somebody when they're grieving and to really empathize with them then it is to really feel happy for them when things that go well for them so yeah yeah that's what you said on one occasion so tell us a little bit about your the this coffee and faith that you do and the messages drawing on your many many years both in the clergy and of course living in a country that most jews probably haven't visited let alone lived in uh how do you how do you manage to put a fresh spin if you will not to be derogatory to the torah but how do you manage to put kind of a timely message on to uh onto the messages that you are giving out okay let me know i'm basically a schizophrenic personnel okay this is the first time you've come public with that no well but i don't know doctor has diagnosed with okay but basically you know i have two different asks on the one hand i love science you know i actually when i went to yeshiva university i graduated in college my major was mathematics and then i went to columbia university got a master's in mathematical statistics i was a teacher of mathematics in new york and i was a teacher of mathematics in venezuela as well i love science and i love this world i love to read things that are not jewish i i love thing music that is not jewish but of course i love jewish music i and most of my reading are jewish texts obviously but not exclusively i think there's a big world out there too and i try in my messages somehow to make it a little bit more universal maybe you'll be surprised that most of my audience in that program coffee and faith are non-jews i wouldn't be surprised at all non-jews it's very difficult there is no profit in its own city you know yeah but yeah among non-jews maybe i tried the messages to be sort of universal even though my platform my springboard is always the torah somehow some jewish source but then i go else i go into a tangent because i think that the torah has a message for everybody right that's what i try to do but these are very brief things i've been doing this since i think over eight years now weekly haven't failed yet god should give me years i mean so many of my listeners also not jewish who very much appreciate the torah and i'm hoping that part of my interviewing today will also they'll see your work and start listening to some of the messages that you give out also which i think are very pertinent but you know you mentioned that you which philosophy and into science at some point that was a given that people who were went into the rabbinate were also quite knowledgeable and educated about many things including let's say a little the bhavat rebbi right who starts who had had a so-called secular education and also had a torah education we're able to melt the two word worlds it seems though that in the past few decades it's one or the other it's science or torah to the point where um many students who study torah full time even from from a young age are not exposed to let's say mathematics or exposed to some of the scientific worlds what do you feel about that it and also maybe more importantly why has that happened i really don't know why it has happened i can imagine but i don't have any statistics about it i really don't want to get into that field i think we are looking for excellence nowadays in many fields in torah i think there was never a period in jewish history where there was so much study of torah as you have today it's amazing what's going on yeah it's really something with shas you know see you my so many people participating i think we are looking for excellence and everything we are we are running faster than ever before playing the violin better than ever we're looking for extremes somehow first of all i think that adam horizon first man i don't think he was jewish of course have the same spirit it says that god gave him some kind of spirit he blew something into his nostrils according to the torah many say that was the soul everybody has a soul non-jews have a soul also their feelings and what have you they can excel very well and i think there is knowledge all over for us is a tremendous book of morals and ethics which we should never forget i think that even the nations have interests as they say there are friends they have interest but they should never do anything immoral and you can see for instance how the armed forces of israel from what i read you know they are taught trying not to do something that is immoral israel when it's about to bomb someplace and alerts the civil population get out of there because you'll be in danger i think it is ethical type of situation i think that comes from our torah but you cannot deny that there was a guy by the name of newton galilee einstein himself was jewish but you know he wasn't a torah jew really an assimilated jew but look at the tremendous influence he has had upon our civilization right now i'll just give you a little example you know right now we're all fighting this pandemia you know covet what do we do with this thing you know why did god send this to us well my reply is i have no idea i don't know why god does certain things so in his plan somehow this should be but i do know something else that he gave us intellect he gave us intelligence so that we can research and we can look into the causes and we can eventually create a vaccine we will be able to overcome it maybe this is a some kind of obstacle so that we should grow further we should be more knowledgeable about things i don't know but i am i don't think that god wants to destroy us for sure not there is a problem we will overcome it because god gave us the talent and the ability to do it so to study now where do you find in the time of the recipe for the vaccine there is no recipient for the vaccine in town the talmud has many indications of a medical order well that reflected the knowledge then but when i have a problem a health problem i don't go to the talmud to see what the answer is i go to a physician i go to a hospital so science and knowledge in general have to go hand in hand with jewish tradition with jewish knowledge i think that is the correct way but this is my personal opinion obviously today agrees with that yeah absolutely not uh but they're working hard in israel we'll see what happens it would be beautiful if that's working for big achievers they're working elsewhere for them that's right that's right okay now people are going to benefit from it definitely okay deny the importance of general knowledge i think it's well but some people have gone in that direction and other people have gone in the direction of denying god and putting all of it in the scientific basket and not understanding that there is a higher power that we are very small and very you know buffeted by uh without really understanding the reasons but i think what you just said now can apply to us as individuals the obstacles that come into our lives the personal obstacles because at least in my life i felt like hashem was telling me i know that you can do it i know that you can get through this otherwise i wouldn't give it to you i hope that that's true um and as a people and now is the world i mean we're all facing something on a global level and uh and um we're sure that if a vaccine is developed in one country everybody's gonna be able to get it and that would be a beautiful thing to bring people together and as you said that that depends a lot on the science um since you're out of venezuela so i feel free to ask you this question and feel free to not answer it if you don't want to a few years ago you were quoted in an article about um feeling intimidated about the atmosphere that was happening in venezuela a frightening atmosphere there was even uh there were reports at one point that the jewish community was perhaps being spied on by the government um now that you are in the united states which for all the chaos is nowhere near what that what's going on in venezuela can you speak a little bit about that that time and um and you know what it was like to live under or i guess in a in a fear society to some degree were you there you know were you there for a long time then in that situation of course well uh we had a synagogue that was invaded and desecrated and these weren't just plain robbers this was obviously directed from above all was intervened they were looking for arms and we felt a little bit that the jewish community was being singled out maybe this was to show the arab world who are the greatest supporters of this that we have in venezuela which is really a dictatorship they want to show that we can also do something against the jews but the last few years i wouldn't say that there is anything directly any policy that is directed against the jews jews are leaving because they are middle class and the middle class is suffering tremendously you know i receive an old age pension in venezuela i worked there i paid social security and i have a son who lives there still even though his family is in miami but he goes back and forth right now he's stuck in venezuela you can't get out these days because really but in any event he manages whatever little thing i have in venezuela so i get monthly from social security guess how much i get social security don't guess okay a dollar quarter monthly was the latest payment a dollar and a quarter what was the latest payment you know the average salary there is two three four five dollars a month some get very little and you know if you have help here in miami at least in the neighborhood where i live it's a hundred dollars a day a day and there you have somebody earning a month four five dollars six dollars you know how can you possibly make ends meet the idea many say that they want to keep the people very poor so that you should have no time for anything else trying to find out a little extra food or have you and you shouldn't have any ideas about liberty about revolution because you're occupied with providing the most elementary things for for your family of course there there's a sector a privileged sector that has money that lives very well because of these low wages you can have many services you can have people cleaning your house for five eight ten twenty dollars a month you can have a show for you can have many things of course at night you can't go out because people are very afraid and then again electricity doesn't function all the time then your wi-fi doesn't function there is no water you live in a in a terrible situation so many people have generators in their home those that can afford it of course but the majority of the population is living in subhuman conditions right now the world doesn't seem to get focused too focused on that or you think that there's room here for more attention to be paid or there's nothing that we could do anyway the good people in the world let me tell you something it's i am not speaking right now as a representative of the government there are other people that speak for the government venezuela right now has a totalitarian regime a dictatorship but also the presence of drug traffickers right there also israelis from colombia occupied part of the territory also armed bans that the government sponsors that do things that the armed forces won't do in addition russia has interest in addition china has entered in addition cuba according to the former president raul castro has 20 000 people in venezuela so you can multiply this by three or four venezuela is really a colony of cuba how can a people with art without arms oppose a regime like that that also has international support so you can say that the interim government of guido also has international support the united states and european countries and what 60 countries in the world recognize guido as the president but they are never in venezuela in venezuela the chinese are there the russians are there the cubans are there on in the territory so how can a people fight against them unless the support that guido has translates itself a little bit also inside the country has to be political will for that if you want to do it nowadays it's not a question of invasion of troops on the ground that isn't nowadays there's so many different means of doing things and of a military angle that do not imply really people there but you know the every country unfortunately look unfortunately looks out for itself it should look out for somebody else also but looking just looking out for themselves i'm just thinking about getting food to the people there irrespective of what craziness is happening all around the poor little people there are suffering it it sounds like tremendously and that's really heartbreaking they tried to get aid in and the government didn't permit because it will show that there isn't enough food in the country which they claim isn't true what comes with the aid also now iran also has connected with the venezuelans i didn't mention iran hezbollah is there [Music] iran had last month when no flights were allowed like 19 flights of one of their airlines come into venezuela what do they bring in what do they take out where does venezuela come to iran iran is thousands of miles away from venezuela the the the real neighborhood of venezuela is south america latin america the united states canada that maybe europe but the americas is the first and they have dealings with iran not only that they just opened up a supermarket where they bring in iranian food a big supermarket that was there but failed because of different problems with the government so they took over and they're bringing in food it's a question of the islamization of venezuela the cultural penetration as well not only arms and what have you and drugs who knows what else but it's even cultural also i think that the united states should really take greater interest in what's going on and even though the united states is doing a lot of things i'm not saying no but i think not sufficient because you still have that government in power and they should be out without them being out there's no chance for any kind of progress for venezuela that's that's what it sounds like they're building mosques when you talk about a cultural infiltration as well arabia built a very big mosque in the neighborhood where i lived but there was a different kind of interest you know nowadays you feel it's like to take over the country to assimilate the country to integrate it into the arab world and this should be of interest of is to israel as well because you know the greatest enemy of israel nowadays is iran it's the only that is threatening to destroy it and now they're taking more than a foothold in latin america and using venezuela as a base it you know it seems when you look at the globe many of us talk about the western world but really when you look at the globe the difference between the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere the countries is so stark with a few exceptions in the southern hemisphere let's say australia new zealand for example south africa maybe maybe at some point it just seems like you know the southern hemisphere is having a much harder time getting decent leadership making progress joining the developing world do you have any thoughts on why that could be i i can just repeat what i read you know they claim you know in the north winter comes unless you prepare for winter you'll freeze the southern hemisphere there are no such winters really especially around the equator you know countries around the italy you can see the difference between northern italy there you have the difference already yeah but it's much more marked in latin america maybe it also has to do with the spanish conquest you know the spaniards are the ones that conquered latin america basically and established their way of living and that's a mediterranean culture spain is really in between the north and south you know it's not it's not the same you see where the british came to latin america the islands that they at one time one time colonized they left working governments much better than what the spaniards did maybe it has to with climate i'm not too sure i don't know why but but that is that is the fact very interesting although africa oh you know has had had its share of the european uh conquests as colonies and and they're probably doing even worse than south america if if that's even possible so uh nowadays very difficult worse than venezuela you know i hear the undercurrent of of uh i don't know pain but after spending a good part of your life there i i hear you know you're sad that this is a place where it had so much potential and sounded like really such an incredible society in terms of tolerance and openness and and was destroyed it's so it's so difficult to build something and so easy to destroy it takes so few people to destroy something and and you know through your life and through your experiences there i'm i'm hearing as i hope my listener our listeners are as well that like i don't know the word exactly that undercurrent of oy oh you can't translate oi either but i hope my listeners know what that means like it's so it's just sad it's really totally sad it's really sad was a great place it has the most wonderful climate beaches really whatever you want venezuela has what is natural pro what did they produce in the good days they have daily oil they have the largest oil reserves in the world and today they don't produce gasoline they have to import gasoline they have this revolution has destroyed anything it has such it's unfortunate unfortunate it was a great country by it's not only what they destroyed i always argue it's also what happened during 20 years take israel 20 years ago and take israel today is it the same went back but it also did not go forward like all other countries did you expect things to develop by the way not only oil sweet water agriculture minerals tourism can be a great source of income for venezuela there isn't anything that venezuela doesn't have unfortunately you know maybe god doesn't give us everything in one place you know he gave too much to venezuela and then people don't appreciate what they have and others got jealous it came to take [Music] so let's move on to the next phase of your life which god willing is going to be israel once uh things start you know you can start flying again and people can move to where they want to go um you're associated with barilon university how what is that association about well i'm a member of the board of governors it's a good one okay and i think that it also represents my philosophy so to speak you know you have torah and you also have general science they accept every student the if you want to wear a kippah you wear occupy if you don't want to wear occupy you don't wear okipa i am against any kind of obligatory measures i hate that people's decision but you have to give him the instruments to be able to make a decision in other words somebody who has never tasted jewish tradition cannot choose if he has a religious education a torah education or traditional and later on he decides he doesn't want to live live that kind of life okay that's his choice but those who never had the opportunity that's the no those are children that were kidnapped somehow and never had the opportunity to see what the not literally figuratively so this is uh i think that's what barillan i'm very close to it and you know the the first chancellor not president chancellor of barilan was a rabbi joseph h luchstein he was a teacher of mine at yeshiva university for instance and he was in my home in caracas venezuela for the bar mitzvah of my second son friends you know i have very close relationship with many people in barilan in addition of course to their ideology which i think is very good on the other hand i love tel aviv university i love hebrew university too the first university before there was a state in 1925 somebody dreamt already i think there's room for everybody i don't like coercion i like i like choice i think god gave us [Music] freedom of free will and i think the trouble is and and i'll tell you one the torah so you'll know that i'm a rabbi and i'll repeat something i heard from salman who was the president of israel the end of the torah it says the father god says i give you life and death i give you this and that and choose life so president shazaar said the torah should never have said choose life because the torah believes in freedom of choice so the torah should have said life death curse blessing and you choose you do whatever you want but i thought i said no choose life so he said something i thought was brilliant at the time you know what our problem is the torah is really telling us here is life here is that and choose wait if you choose you certainly will choose life the problem is that we don't choose you know most of the time we don't make decisions things just happen and that that's it but when you think with your head and and you're aware of what's going on would you the day before you have a test go to the movies you'd study for the test if you're responsible the trouble is that we don't take things that seriously we don't choose many a time in life and i think what you have to give people is the ability to choose but also instruct them you must choose before you take action take a look at what the consequences are because mistakes have consequences also good deeds have consequences also you know this is what it says in shema the second paragraph things will happen if you don't listen other things will happen so make sure you choose okay let me tell you a little bit about about israel since you asked me the state with venezuela and israel do not have diplomatic relations even though right after the state was established venezuela was one of the first countries to recognize israel they established their embassy in jerusalem but then a few years later for some political reasons they moved to tel aviv like many other countries did and in 2009 which is a little over 10 years ago the previous president chavez broke off relations with the state of israel unilaterally on television and he told the ambassador you have 72 hours to get out of here he was a tremendous guy terrible terrible guy and since then there are no diplomatic relations with tunisia but this government the interim government of juan guido wants to establish relations with israel they named me ambassador as a first step right now we are working on the recognition of each other so that the relationship the diplomatic relations should happen again because in the meantime israel does not want to recognize me as an ambassador but as the representative of this interim president guido because they say there are no diplomatic relations we are working right now in the national assembly which is the venezuelan knesset that they should establish the formal diplomatic relations with israel and i hope this will come through in a few weeks and then you'll be able to present your credentials to president rivlin here and fly i certainly will go to the president who present credentials and the number of venezuelans that want to be present there when we finally do that after so many years because i'll tell you something else also israel can provide venezuela with a lot of things for the day after when there's no dictatorship how to deal with terrorism how to deal with safety with security in addition to things that israel already helped in the past like water agriculture but there's something else also and i don't tire of underlying battles we also have many things in common we are democratic people we love freedom in other words israel we recognize that israel is the only country in the middle east that is a democracy the rest are either tyrannies and monarchies of theocracies you know democracy isn't there and this was the big failure they claim of the previous american administration when they tried to convert iraq into a democratic this is not they don't know how to eat that that's not their meat so israel and venezuela really have things in common when it comes to morality uh human rights respect for human rights in addition to other interests that may be of a political economic order and i think it would be very important for the relations to once again to be established like they were before and to put the embassy in jerusalem because we're not moving we're not moving from tel aviv because there is no embassy in tel aviv if we're starting let's start with the right foot in jerusalem and it sounds like you're going to make an amazing ambassador and who knows you might be in the waiting room for president rivlin along with the ambassador from the uae stranger things have happened who knows that would be great some kind of new world well from your mouth to god's ears as they say okay rabbi brenner thank you so much for an absolutely delightful conversation and i am uh after the holidays i actually took your advice before i even spoke to you because i made a choice instead of sitting here and waiting for the tourists who i don't know when they're going to come so i made a choice to go for another master's degree in the land of israel studies and archaeology at barilon university because i agree with you i very much enjoy and appreciate the way that they teach the combination of science and torah and the openness of the campus and the variety of professors there so that's what i'm going to be doing after the holidays starting school once again let me add one thing to you yes agatha christie was married to an archaeologist i knew that okay so they asked her once how is it like being married to an archaeologist so she answered every year that passes he finds me more interesting the older you get the better it looks yes absolutely archaeology success to you and there's nothing like keeping your mind busy i think that is the most important thing i am going to agree so thank you everyone for listening let's thanks uh to rabbi pimples brenner and if you want to follow him and some of the work that he is doing what a youtube channel or where can they find you dot com forward slash rabbi brennan brenner with one end okay rabbi brennan with one end facebook dot com forward slash rabbi brenna brenna with one end and i also have a site of my own pinterest pinchas brenner.com p-y-n-c-h-a-s-b-r-e-n-e-r dot com but if you go to youtube it's good enough okay sounds terrific i hope to see you on this side of the pond as they say in the meantime be well and thank you so much for joining me today thank you everyone for listening eve hero rejuvenation on the land of israel network and thanks to tabitha and to ben and everybody else associated with getting this podcast out and i hope you're all well everyone out there so uh deep harrow take care goodbye everybody you