Reconciling Rashi on Chumash's Understanding of the Episode of Er and Onan With the Gemara

this tour class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay I want to discuss the point online base we mentioned this uh Tuesday evening when we learn La Madonna days we mentioned that on Shabbos when we reviewed and that is uh the gemara's Kasha the gemara said in the mishnah were the two husbands make up mix up the two wives they're gonna have to separate for three months because we need to know who the father is China a woman cannot become Misa bear when we cannot become pregnant from the first Bia because she's still a basulo so the first beer breaks the basulim and from then on she's rendered capable of having children asks on the top of La mandala base Tamar did conceive from biri China when Yehuda lived with her he lived with her and then uh never saw her again until the court case and she was already pregnant by then crushed her basulum with her finger and the gemara says all the righteous women of Robbie's house they call them Tamar because they followed the procedure of Tamar by the way as an aside there's a very interesting Marsha on the gemara and we happen to have spoken out this Kasha when we learned that I didn't remember with the Marsha at the time but the martial is the following question says why didn't think of our ask from Leia we know that in the Berkeley vyakov says ruvane um yaakov is saying that ruvain came from his first ounce of Zara I how is that possible initials so why is asking from Tamar the Kumar should have asked from earlier in history from Leia you could say as follows that since yaakov withheld his Zara 84 years and he didn't see Carrie you could say yaakov had Bri China with Leia and he held himself back he wasn't era and ruvain in fact was how Ruben wasn't conceived until the Bia with Leia I but yaakov says that was his first Zara he held himself back during virishina not to be made cesara how's that humanly possible he did it for 84 years so he did it for beer Shiner also that's the Marsha now says the martial based on the mascana over here that Tamar broke her basulum you could say the same thing with Leia Leia also broke her basulum and that's how yaakov was able to impregnate her from beerishan so then the gemara asks how could you say Tamar wasn't China but she was married to Erin oinon Sigma says unnatural relations with Tamar by the way that means that they didn't live with her so therefore she was still a bisula so she had to break her basulum asks we know that if somebody if a woman is nursing there's an issue that if she becomes pregnant again it might disturb her the quality of her milk so the Tanaka the opinion Revelation is the husband could live with her by penetrating and ejaculating outside what's called says now you now you know how to do that that's what Erin oinon did Sigmar is asking aeronine did not have unnatural relations they had natural relations they just were ejaculated outside cigarette says no it's not exactly like Aaron aeronaut was unnatural and the Hector rebelser is natural dashmi before that's the gemara that means the gemara's maskana is foreign that it's only prohibited if your kavana is the Zera and one is rug elastic but occasionally um but uh that's a an area of uh halachic uncertainty is is that a reliable uh is that a reliable dispensation but the the mascara of the sugya is Aaron was shalakidaka so we pointed out if you look at my bikini Vega whereby Keith says I in perish Rashi boracious you know Tess so take a look at this your tests voracious I think that means now I don't know what it means Rashi says voracious huh yeah it is so then that's not what is asking okay let's see what let's see this Rashi um look around she rashes about tremendous China even though a woman cannot be complaining from biri Shanna Batman these ruled over themselves and they're able to remove their arva Vanessa and they became pregnant from birashana wow I thought Robert was referring to a different Mizrahi is citing the daughters of light and the daughters of light conceived from their father may be a reshinah and right she wants to know how could you can conceive from be a reshinah so I would have said why not um there are more about like Tamar no that's not what Rashi says Rashi says they they were like um you know Houdini what's the guy's name what's his first name Harry Harry Houdini not to be confused with a modern day sorcerer but Harry Houdini had control of his like all of his organs you know he had control of his internal organs so Rashi says this the Benoist light somehow removed their arva now that's different than I guess takash on that would be why doesn't our gemara says and and therefore um she removed her erva apparently that's uh what yeah I guess so maybe well in other words they're not consistent that means there are two ways to be in a saber mibirishina either honestly I thought was referring to a totally different question and a totally different Mizrahi and that is the Mizrahi I have on the shoot over here um because if I'm not mistaken the martial is bothered by this let's take a look at the Marsha for a moment the second martial here on the page the Marsha says Zara you could have theoretically said is mashma does a now the Masha points out in other words it's just that ultimately they were Mochi the Zara outside and our gamara's conclusion is they know that erva einon had Beyond now look in the masrachi Mizrahi on Rashi and Hamish right the Rashid I'm referring to is um is um Tess she says which is really not what agamara says it's again rashes against sagama Rashi and Hamish is going like says it's a question from the bright sidemel says 24 months your dash said this is was uh so how could Rashi be against the Bryson says mizraki actually she's not against the Bryson because the havamina shot in the Bryce sawaz was so actually Rashi and Hamish says the simple shot in the Bryson uh what does that say s Rashi holds that the simple shot in the Bryson is because the simple shot in the Bryson Israel saying for 24 months you could be done was only pushing it off because otherwise you have Akasha how could everyone how could Tama be misaber maybe a reshinah excuse me um so you don't have Akasha that the gemara said earlier that everyone was but since the pastures of the Bride says and by the way that's what it says in voracious rabba the murderous says explicitly arvinda Smith foreign with him so he is um he's going to forsake the waiver of explains the Bryson says found the Bryce is a gracious rabbit like me I have passions like me yeah so I'm not gonna go with you foreign I'm going to try to pull up the other Mizrahi I'm not even sure what you're going to see on my computer right now and I'm not sure I want to know but if we could pull up the other Mizrahi on light that might be very interesting yeah let me try this first let's see the end of the Marsha um okay what was the position was quoting your test what do you see my screen my homepage foreign yeah just no no um okay let's see the end of the Marsha the martial says here's Akasha the gemara's concert was I what's going on tummer um how did Kasha that tomorrow was massabar bibirishina anything Robert says no tomorrow says what do you mean it wasn't be a reshinah she lived with Arena says the Marsha I don't understand the flow of the gemara who told you that Tamar lived with erva Aina [Music] and now you have to say she was a basula when she lived with Yehuda oh but she she was just a very push it that Tamar lived with airnan and therefore when she lived with Yehuda it wasn't birashina I mean the whole the whole flow asked yabra no you says no she's no but she lived with everyone so say she lived with Irvine on kedarkan and they were dashmir's name and that's how she became pregnant from Yehuda because it wasn't biri China so the martial says you have to say that they have some kind of support in the pasok that they lived foreign furthermore the badura bastra asks when the gemara says Maybe yehudo ishana maybe Yehuda lived with her twice so it wasn't pabiri China let's see if we could find the Mizrahi by the Benoist light let me try something here could you see my uh screen now okay there we go so what does rubiker say where is this uh mizraki your tests you test them above foreign [Music] okay your tests no there's no uh mizraki on this I don't see any Miss Rocky on that here you have the morale the moral says voice but you don't have Mizrahi here nope any one of them is there no I don't see it okay Rabbi Sai that's what we got today unless you want to give give me one more to try this Edition naira let's try this your tests okay Batista what is what is um no there's no mizraki on this unless the Mizrahi ishev we saw them Asian right what plastic was it in Vegas [Music] let's see what happens with um okay I'm not sure what rubikivago is referring to when he says the Mizrahi over there okay Rabbi Sai thanks for joining okay have a great day call tov you've just experienced another 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