Rav's Real Name

Just to end with one very, very light note, extremely light. Leaving the rain on the table. And it's light related really to yesterday's stuff. What was the lightest part of yesterday's stuff? I think it was where Shmuel met the Talmud of Rav. I'm going to go over what he told him. My Amora of Mesukenes. What did Rav say regarding a Mesukenes? I'm going to go over what he told him. My Amora I'll tell you what Rav said regarding the hymn of Mesukenes. Golia. They did lay the kishkes of an ozna. How do you say that in English? I'm going to go over what he said. Who's that? Who is Rav Adda bar Ahava? Who is the only But Abba, Rav held that you need to see so much life by a shochet Mesukenes that the animal actually has to move its EAR [laughter] SHAI RAV I HOPE COLD. Shai Amora bar Mesisa Aisa. Is it already considered slaughter? As long as it's not totally a slaughter of dead. By process of elimination, any movement as subtle as it might be, that in itself is is going to be okay. We mentioned the case of Rav Mesukenes and Rav Shmuel is the machlokes of the Tanna Kamma whose I believe is Rav Shimon ben Gamliel and Rav Gamliel depending on which girsa you prefer and the Chachamim in the Mishna on that line of Zion Amora. But Shmuel told the Talmud of Rav It's Reish Lakish Abba bar Zuzai Oini. Does Abba hold that you need so much Shmuel referred to Rav as Abba. Rashi says the way that Shmuel referred to Rav as Abba I mean he's known as Rav. So the Hebrew word Rashi the Rav had a correlation Shmuel Achai. Mishum Kavod. Shmuel used to refer to Rav as Abba out of respect. So we know Abba is a word of respect. People call their father Abba, but once upon a time you can know a rabbi of yeshivas would be referred to as Abba. Abba Shaul like we find the word Abba mentioned several times in Shas given as a a title, a moniker, to a lot of the Amora'im. So, you find the concept of Abba, and when Shmuel referred to Rav as Abba, he was doing it in Mishna Berurah. It's just that I think it's just the opposite. I think that the reason Shmuel referred to Rav as Abba is probably because that was his real name. In fact, Rav is known as Rav out of respect, out of kavod. And really, that's why throughout Shas, it's always Rav. And the reason it's always Rav is because Mishna Berurah, this is what we refer to him. Who's the only person that you would think could refer to Rav by his real name? It's Shmuel. His chavruta, his talmid muvhak. Right, SOMEONE WHO IS CLOSE TO HIM, HIS NEMESIS IN SHAS. RIGHT, SOMEBODY who is so CLOSE TO HIM. SO, I THINK IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE. I THINK RAV'S real name in all places was Abba, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SHMUEL THAT you find IS REFERRING TO RAV AS ABBA. And this is what Tosfos brings, and he doesn't say this on his own. He brings it in the name of the Aruch. And that's why, if you take a look at all the main historia of Klal Yisrael, from the Seder HaDoros to the Doros HaRishonim to the Sefer HaYuchsin and everybody in between, Rav's name always goes down as being Abba. In fact, if you look in the Seder HaDoros and you want to see the biography [laughter] of Rav, so don't look under the Resh. You have to look under the Aleph. It's right at the beginning. Abba Abba Areicha miSura and he's known as Abba Areicha, but the bottom line is, Tosfos quotes the Aruch saying that if you want to know what Rav's real name was, Rav's real name was Abba. So, it's a machlokes between Rashi and Tosfos why Shmuel referred to Rav as Abba. According to Rashi, it was Mishna Berurah. According to Tosfos, b'shem the Aruch, it's because that was his name. So, here's the question. According to Rashi, that Shmuel referred to Rav as Abba in Mishna in So what was Rav's real name? What was his name? He's referred to Rav. He's Rav. He's referred to Abba bar Aivu in the Talmud. So what is his name? According to the Tosafot, his name is Abba, he's known as Rav. According to Rashi, Abba is A LIAR. SO WHAT is Rav's name? This is the question that we are pondering today. It's like I found in the safer of the Shem haShem in the community of Halacha. This is one of the smarter of the going to go to the Margolies. So tucked away in the end of one of his pieces, he asks this question. According to Rashi, what was Rav's real name? And you know what he says Rav's real name was? He says he believes that according to Rashi, Rav's real name was Rav. He says that you're going to look at me and you're going to tell me that we didn't have a finding your life of a man whose name is Rav. So I'm going to tell you There's a tractate of the Talmud that mentions a man whose name was Rav bar Shvo. So there's a tractate of the Talmud that talks about someone whose name was Rav bar Shmuel. In tractate Pesachim daf kuf yud zayin amud aleph, the Talmud mentions Rav Aha bar Rav, and that's not the famous Rav son of Rav Aha. In tractate Shabbat daf lamed aleph amud aleph, there's a Romi bar Rav. But one says Rav bar Margolies, there are many places in Shas where you find people whose name is Rav AND IT'S NOT REFERRING TO THE RAV. NOW WE ALWAYS assume that the Rav was called Rav because he was RAV BAR NACHMANI. THAT'S WHY HE'S REFERRED TO RAV. AND RAV BAR MARGOLIES MAKES A MISTAKE BECAUSE THERE'S CLEARLY THAT THERE WERE MANY RAVS WHO HAD THE NAME RAV. SO I HOPE THAT ACCORDING TO RASHI, THAT ABBA WAS A LASHON OF KAVOD. SO WHAT WAS RAV'S REAL NAME? His name was probably RAV. AND BY THE WAY, you'll tell me they referred to Rav as Rav. Actually makes a lot of sense cuz they referred to Shmuel as Shmuel. Shmuel didn't have any title. It's not Reb Shmuel. HE WAS KNOWN AS SHMUEL. SO, RAV AND SHMUEL THAT HAVE NO TITLE MAKES A lot of sense that Rav would be known by his name just like Shmuel was not known by his name. AND MAKES SO MUCH SENSE ALSO because if Rav in Rashi's world is really Rav and Shmuel are going to go. So, it doesn't make sense that Shmuel would also cover it would refer to Rav instead of known as Rav and refer to him as Abba. THAT'S A DOWNGRADE. IF RAV MEANS ANYTHING OTHER THAN CALLING HIM RAV, SO YOU'RE CALLING HIM ABBA. I MEAN EVERY KID CALLS HIS FATHER ABBA. SO, WHAT KIND OF A CALLING is that? That's not a calling. That's a tremendous downgrade. THE PARENT IS BECAUSE RAV WAS HIS NAME. AND WHEN SHMUEL REFERRED TO RAV AS ABBA, he's upgrading him. HE'S LIKE DOWNGRADING HIM. AND YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME, WHY WOULDN'T HE HAVE A TITLE? WELL, WHY DIDN'T SHMUEL HAVE A TITLE? YOU CAN TELL ME, WHERE DID YOU EVER FIND THE NAME RAV IN YOUR LIFE? I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHERE YOU found the name Rav in your life. You found it all these different Amoraim that were called Rav. Fascinating for Ruin and I were learning Shas. There's always a punchline with Ruin and I and he says, I think I have a a stronger eye to this. And it's from the Yerushalmi in the Sukkah's area. It's Perek Eilu Amarim. The Gemara there is discussing Halachas related to a Korah and a Lechi. This is some real area. And the Gemara says Azal Lechad Asar. Rav went to a certain city. Rav had a Mabuoy Shel Lechi Shel Lechi and he saw that there was a Mabuoy and this Mabuoy had a a Lechi and based on that Lechi, they were being Matir. Yomi B'Chutzpa. So, Rav took a a stick and he hit it and it fell down and he said, based on this, this is not a Kosher Lechi. This is not a Kosher Mabuoy. Amar Rav Huna Amar Rav Huna. So, Rav Huna told Rav, he said, "Diklah Kayam." He said, "I know that even though you knocked down this Lechi, it didn't have the ability to stand but it's still a Diklah over there And the decko still suffices as being alive Oh, on my way. So, Rav turns to Rav Huna and he tells him, "Aina de Rav Huna gabei, aina de Rav Nachman gabei?" He said, "Aina de Rav Huna gabei, Rav Huna, you saw the decko and you think that I didn't see the decko? I also saw the decko, but I feel lucky. I hold that it's still going to be a problem." Rav turns to Rav Huna and he speaks to him third person. "Aina de Rav Huna gabei, aina de Rav Nachman gabei?" So, who am I going to LISTEN TO? IF RAV was known as Rav because he was Rav in some company of Babylon. HOW CAN HE SAY THAT ABOUT HIMSELF? WHAT RAV [laughter] IS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF? OH, YOU SAW THE MIRROR? RAV IN SOME COMPANY of Babylon didn't see it? I don't know. He says, "I think this is a stupid riot to my idea. And that is that you want to know You want to know what Rav's real name was? Rav's real name was Rav. And that's the difference between Rashi and Tosafot in the [laughter] Gemara. Rashi holds that Rav's name was Rav. He was called Abba BAR NACHMAN IN BABYLON. TOSAFOT IN the Gemara holds just the opposite. His name was Abba Abba Areicha and the reason he was called Rav He was called Rav because he was Rav in some company of Babylon. I just have one order and that is There's a Rashi in Sukkot Beit 11 amud aleph. "Ebra aslo amra Rav Yehuda amra Rav." Says Rashi, "The kasha of the Rav Abba bar Kahana." So, one of them is asking a kasha on Rav Huna Rav Kahana. A kasha of Rav Kahana on something Rav said. So, usually you have an Amora says something and one asks a kasha Ask from the Tanna, ask from the Amora. So, Rashi forgot the Rav Amora. Even though Rav was an Amora, who matched him in the aspect of greatness OF RAV IN SOME COMPANY OF BABYLON, he is the greatest of all Amoras. BECAUSE HE WAS RAV IN SOME COMPANY OF BABYLON WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SHMUEL. Bothering is Rashi. It's a mufalash Rashi. Okay. The Rashi holds that Rav was Where did Rashi get that that Rav is Rav in some company of Babylon? He was Rav in some company of Babylon. Probably because he was probably because he was Rabbah so called in Bavel. The truth is there's a Rashba in the Sukkah of Bava Basra daf 21a. The Ibra Masna of the Rashba is Abba. So the Rashba Abba Rabbah called him Shmuel. Rabbah's name was Abba. Kid the Kallah Rabbah Shas Chullin. Abba Arekha. From Mina Magraya Sukkah Bava Abba Arekha. From Mina in the Sukkah Niddah daf 47a. Abba Arekha. I didn't call him Rabbah. I called So his name was Abba, why is he called Rabbah? So the Rashba came and he said Yehudah HaNasi Rebbe. B'Eretz Yisrael called him Nami in Bavel. Now that the name Rabbah was like Yehudah HaNasi. Yehudah HaNasi was Rabbeinu HaKadosh. [laughter] He's Rabbah so called in Bavel. Is it that reason that he was called Rabbah? The Chaim Volozhin IN THE SEFER HAARUCH AND HE SAID THAT THIS IS IN THE SEFER HAARUCH CAME FROM ROME. INTERESTING. But he said I found this in THE SEFER HAARUCH THAT THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. So the Rashba says before us that the name of Rabbah that Rabbah got was similar to the name Rabbeinu HaKadosh. Yehudah HaNasi got it came from being Rabban so called in Bavel. I remember many years ago I was in Eretz Yisrael and I was going to visit Rabbah Ovadia Yosef. It was the first time that I met him. So I prepared something based on the Godol HaDor HaShalem and in the middle I was saying how Rabbah was called Rabbah so called in Bavel. And I and I and I told him I think it's a Rashba in in Chassidus in Bava Basra daf 21a. And on the spot he told me it's not a Rashba, it's a Rashi. Rashi in Bava Basra daf 21a. Rashi says before us that he was Rabbah so called in Bavel. Who told him Shmuel? [laughter] And what's the Kheshbon? The Kheshbon is because Rashi was first claiming on the word Rabbah. Where else did Rashi get this idea of him being Rabbah so called in Bavel? I will see this Rashi from Rashi in Bavel Rabbah's name was not Rabbah because Rabbah so called in Bavel. His name was Rabbah because he called him Shmuel in Rob, then right? I was the name that he got by his grace. His name was Rob just like Rob and Rob the brain of and some other Robs that you find throughout and this is she that's Rob. That's the case you would have to say that [laughter] maybe Rob is just like a play on words a little bit. But actually doesn't mean the says it but the is calling the and the HIS NAME IS WHY IS HE CALLED ROB? Same way you would have to say Rob is the same exact way. ROB IS SHE ALSO CALLED the head of the way Rob was master of it with his with the way Rob from and the second what would emerge is that Rob is just like a pun but not that Rob's name is Rob because he's Rob to the company of Rob. Actually through it is Rob to the company of that YOU CORRESPOND TO THE STRONG ROB BUT THE REAL reason he was known as Rob is maybe simply because his name was Rob. Also he's the one person who's known as Rob. The hero's name is Rob. Say it again. I would I don't have it but there's such a thing but he is the Rob with the hairy coming from the age of Rob but the is the his name was Rob. What is walking away with the what's the is actually [laughter] the question. What's the is actually the question? Just push it on the bio of Rob. According to Rob Rob's name was Rob. His biological name was Rob. He was known as Abba Mishulim. What did I according to the same just the opposite. His name was Abba and he was known as Rob because he was Rob to the company of Rob. I am Rob but I am I am Rob but I am Rob but I am Rob but I am Rob but I am Rob.