Rav Nochum's Approach To How Stipulations Work By Nedarim - Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya Nedarim 89b

Okay, good evening friends. I want to share with you a nice inion on d payest uh it's on pay where the gumar brings let me try to get this up on the screen the garra brings that there's a question regarding sha whether you could whether a husband could be made for whether a husband could be made for a nether that wasn't yet but maybe everybody agrees cannot be m until the nether is fine tells a story about a guy who made of difficult ne the world upon me if I marry a woman before I learn hala meaning um tyra he wanted to learn and he said I asked all the han of the world upon me uh until I learn he tried to learn he tried to learn he wasn't able to so now what so rahuna wanted to now in the meantime he's not user in the all the in the world because he didn't get married but rava wanted to trick him he tricked him he said get married So the guy got married. Now he's not his to all the in the world. So the auna got his clothing dirty and he brought him before and he med the nether. So basically he what was theick? Theick was that he got the guy to make the so he could mater it but he wasn't would not have been able to mater it before the nether was he was only able to mater it after the nether was fine so there's a very important question here in the question the rush asks and throughout sh deals with this question this is a nether shav Why is it a nether? The guy's answering all the of the world upon him. Is that something that's didn't we have early that if you answer sleep for 3 days, the nether is not it's so certainly if you answer all the of the world upon him. So why would this nether be in the first place? Why do you have to go through you know use this hack of have the have him get married and have the nether be kal and then be mate? The nether is not in the first place. Okay. The rush asked this question. Let me try to put it up on the screen. The rush right over here. Here we go. The rush asks um how is the guy not gonna have any H? No H. He's not gonna have any Hana. So, so L have a nether sh. So, why isn't it a nether shove? Says the rush. L have a nether shave. You know why? Cuz he didn't ask for all the h of the world upon him. He only asked for the h of the world upon him. If he gets married without learning, so don't get married without not learning. Don't get married so he won't get married or or he'll learn. You're right. Now, let let's just break this down. The nether is he can't get the of of anybody upon him. That nether in it of itself is what makes it is the fact that it's a so don't fulfill the so the sh is when we say that is not this is definitely another that seemed but does do we say well let's examine what what under what conditions would this be maybe you won't meet the conditions so the nether won't be. So it's so what the rush is saying is that the reason why it's not is maybe he won't get married. That's a the is that a could make an impossible nether become possible. That's the shittita of the rush tus in maybe kubis. Let me check again. Nope. Toysis. This is inusing says this principle like the Russian. I didn't put it on the sheets. I did put on the sheet. My How is it going to help him to get his shirt dirty? So that if he so that when he gets married he's over immediately. This is not something that in the end he could fulfill. Meaning what did Rava do over here? Rauna made him get married. made him made him say made him think, okay, you won't be a to get married or you won't be in the Hana. He got married so that the nether was kal and now he's going to need the bri and the nether. But this is something that's impossible for him to abide by. Why would it be in the first place? Only at the time he makes the If he can't fulfill it, he's immediately over he could have fulfilled it. Even though as soon as he get married, he can't be he's not. In other words, what's trying to do? He's trying to make it that the guy won't be the How? by having him get married, but ultimately he's gonna have to get haha. So he's for sure gonna be violating the nether. So says the following. It's only a nether if at the time you make it, it's impossible to me. But here at the time he made the nether, it's possible that he would be mime. He just won't get married. Even though when he gets married he can't be mim once he gets married there's no way to mim this nether he won't violate the nether until he gets the h again tois is saying the is that if at the time a person makes the nar there is no way to abide by it that's a shv but in this case at the time he made the nether it was possible to abide by it Ow don't get married. I once he got married now it becomes impossible. Okay. But in the meantime I didn't get Hano yet. So we still have time to be mate. In other words, the question is how does it help to be Mate? But already he's violating it from the very beginning. No. No he's not. When at the time he made the nether he wasn't violating anything. He didn't have to get married. And once he got married, so then he's not considered violating it until he gets h similar concept to to the rush in our maka namely it's not considered because don't fulfill the however the rush in kubis brings from raindam that he argues on this And the hold if you make a nether that cannot be abided by it's a nether. We don't care about that tonight. Like we say if somebody says I'm not going to sleep then there's not even though if a person says I ask her all the fruits if I play basketball. So you say well that's not a problem. You can in the meantime eat fruits, just don't play basketball. Maybe you won't do the stipulation and the fruits won't be awesome. The nether is I asked for all the fruits of the world. I don't care about the that you're only asering the fruits if you play pickle ball. So don't play pickle ball. When I was a kid, nobody ever heard of pickle ball. It wasn't invented yet. So don't play it now. No, it doesn't matter what the tai is. Even if the tonight is not something you're going to end up doing to if you said I all the fruits of the world upon me that's another the so quoted by the rush here versus the rush and the balus if you make a a nether that in and it of itself cannot be kept but because you make a it's possible that you won't violate the nether is that a nether sh or not? So basically the ritzvah also says like the armor brings when the guy said the it doesn't mean all the han in the world. No it's says the when he says I asked her the han of the world I mean some of the hanos of the world. Why? Because if you would have asked all the of the world that's the goes like okay so we have a big is both of these opinions are found in that even if somebody said I all the fruits in the world upon me says plenty if I do x y and zero then some say it's aer And some argue that it's uh that it's a it's based on a Tonight and therefore the Tanai makes it possible. So the question really is not on Rab and the Ritzvah but a question on the rush and the balas. Why would this not be a nether shove? Why does the Tai make it that the nether is a valid nether? After all, if you say you answer all the fruits of the world upon you, it's not it's another stuff. It's impossible to keep. So because I make a theai changes the essence of the nether, why why doesn't the just make it that this unreasonable prohibition is only upon a certain circumstance. So there's a there's a set over from that by are different than everywhere else in the Tyra and the gist of it is that a by is not a that stands by itself. It happens to be it's contingent on a stipulation. The becomes part of the ma by it's not that you asser all the fruits of the world upon you. It's that the stipulation you make that you're only asking the fruits upon you if you get married without knowing that is the nether. It's not the only defines the nether. Usually in we don't say that tonight defines the nether by we say that tonight defines a nether why says everywhere else in the is different than why where do we learn out from? We learned it out from Benu. Remember para is not this week's para. We learn out from that through a with all the laws of the Tana comes in the that the is contingent on the fulfillment of the if you don't fulfill the the B you would say the same thing by that if you don't fulfill the it was never you only made the nether upon that condition says no to know him by other things where the mice is contingent on the is different than what's the is the is what you say the same way you could ask her let's say I say I don't want to ask fruits only green bananas and I only want to ask for them until Tuesday so the same thing as if you only want to prohibit under certain conditions. So let's say therefore if you say I won't eat this if I eat this meaning I won't eat a only if I eat B. So it's not a it's not in this blanket but it will only be the is now eat a in a b. It's not a tai tai by is not aai. It's a straight up nether. The nether is that when I get married without learning the then I become in all the of the world it's not a nether I'm in the in the of the world on condition I get married without knowing that you see there was no the the nether is self-inflicted it's self-created so therefore it's not contingent on something it's one linear is the isser is I am and all the pleasures of the world upon myself in the mats of of marrying this lady if I don't learn in it's a straight up ne the is doing both and if I don't fulfill the it's not the I'm allowed to eat the second thing because the nether became but no the nether is only a mat where I have therefore says this is not called another don't say oh I made another to asker all the hano of the world upon me and that's an impossibility oh it's true there's a no I never answer all the fruits of the world upon me I asser all the fruits of the world upon me in amat of where I get married without learning the is that an impossibility it's not that by there's a and a stipulation by the stipulation is becomes part and parcel of the the situation of the learns there's a famous that by are not stipulations they are the situation in which the the nether is exists there therefore we would not call this a nether that's in the rush in our suga and the tyus Then get them. Have a great night everyone. You're going to sleep well. I'm telling you. Okay. You heard the the great of come on there. No fireworks tonight. You'll sleep very well. Okay. Have a good night. Auto >> recording