Rav Ilan Meirov on "Halacha - May a Child Read from a Sefer Torah?"

so moaiba bhattai today we'll discuss a very interesting topic you know i'm asked this question all the time especially by people that go to education to celebrate the bar mitzvah of their children and they ask can i have my son read the torah even though he's at 13 yet he'll be 13 letters on friday and he wants to have the ceremony by the by the hotel you know on thursday you prepare for the torah right he's reading on chavez the kid can prepare two parties to read on mondays a little too much for him so he wants to move back and meet on thursday he's still a content meditator he can't be part of a minion could he read the torah on that thursday morning before he is officially 13 years old so so the father as a joke told me he's like yeah he told me last week we have the men's section here at the woman the wall reading the torah there will have katana meaning in a different section all right everything is equal we're gonna have every every second but we'll see that the the kamar already discusses these cases and we'll try to go through what the roshani mold and what the meaning is in these matters but uh before we do that i want to give you a basic introduction on some important facts bizarre shame well we'll take out gemara number one over there we'll just look at some basic facts as an introduction the mishna over there tells us um any more sheets here okay so you notice my heart anyways in any event so the mishnah over there tells us gives us a list of different items that need to have a mini no sorry you must have 10 people for it says you when you have uh shots and this yes capability because you got to have 10 people and add that to is one of the things that you must have 10 people for that is a given that we know says we're in how do we know we need 10 people for all these things what's the proof we're the torah do we see that you need 10 people for this in the precious courage because we still don't see number three we don't see the number 10 yet so we have another zero eda it says right and by the miraculous how many people were talking about over there who were they how many people were talking about time time iraq number problematic right so we see they're called ada so so two by core aquaman says eight uh it's at least ten plus and then we have exercise just like my korak was ten plus so two big dashboard so it must be ten or more competition every one second let's just think i just stick with the one second so the wifi listen very carefully that's given number one you gotta have ten men okay beautiful let's look at point number two we're gonna look at the mishnah megillah i think that's it number two over there right mission mcgill over there we see we underlined the words over there it says monday thursday and shabbos mikhail kyrien three people read the torah aim for my hand we don't have less we have more theme of team enough you don't have um after either the one who starts reading the one that ends reading foreign before and after we'll explain in a second right and then says yeah four people read we don't have less we don't have more then it goes on to young time it's five you'll keep her at six shabbas is seven where's the word korean slush i mean people read what does it mean reading they they mean that i go up and make a broccoli and then avi reads is that what it means or do i myself read the torah itself so the basic understanding is that anyone that goes up to the tour he's the one that reads that means i get yeah the coin gets rishon he reads that leads up maybe we change shleishi review everyone reads themselves what's the raya because the puzzle the misha tells us that the guy that starts makes the rock of ashabok and the guy that ends makes it right in other words only the first and last guy make the barakah and therefore when it says coirin it means mom is reading the torah itself you actually go up and read the torah the meaning is not like that because most people don't want to read so therefore the times of the garden they really started this concept of baal koire and everything else right but in reality the original takana was every person reads on his own there's only one block in the beginning and the gemara says that they changed the minute we had to institute the mean of the um everyone makes a rock at the beginning of the end in case someone comes in the middle of the torah he won't think oh there's no broncos what's going on over here confusion miseries in the middle everyone makes the barakah and creates the torah both in the beginning and at the end these facts you just have to remember as we go through the sheer bashem because it'll be very very critical to answer several questions that we're going to have so back to the original kasha the question was could we let a kid that's under 13 years old to read the torah a week before his bar mitzvah let's just say yes family from israel that's anyways here they're going back oh you're getting me by the curse though and it's about reaching friday he wants to move back to thursday do we allow him to do it or not so let's go to sheet number three now i need another another part of gemara magillah it's a bryza it's already on the top right mcgill jacol everyone could go up to be part of a minion shiva meaning and shabbos we have seven islands right anyone could go up and shabbat to the torah the filo cotton the philisa even let's put the woman aside for a second let's discuss the miner the child the cutter master from here that are cuts and kiwi the door right doesn't say but we don't allow him because cover the seaboard cotton the car could go up to the door the question is can he go up on mondays and thursdays and jumped over yom kippur or only on shabbos what does the gemara say right it says the minion shiva minionship it says and shabbat it's motivation to go up but on monday thursday coronado otherwise the gemara should have said hakko ireland the torah right men and women children but women don't cover the people the fact that it is the minion shiva the we foreign somebody showing that he's shown a few others we've shown him interpreting like that it says shabbat you have seven islam so many people go up anyways so that one child is not a big deal not the end of the world but on monday and thursday and because they don't the kids go up even if it's a day before it makes a difference you got to be a goddamn manager to go up the torah on any other day that's how somebody shown him interpret the gemara we're going to look at the random now on the top left let's look at this inside tell me what you think the rambam holds in this case kamehameha how many people read the torah says we have seven we don't have less but we could add the reason why in shabbat and yom kippur and young though you could add is because no one's rushing to work anyways right so it's not really such a torque t-borce therefore maker i didn't want to add elevators on those days you know monday thursday of all year round we don't have less we don't have more the reasons are basically because we were rushing to go out i have work at least i have that so therefore we don't add more than the three of the coming gave us the end of ramadan women other day as well so the fact that the ramen brings down his dean after he mentions shabbos is seven young keeper is six and young turf is five and columnar is four and which horse is four monday and thursday is three and then he says the cousin could go up the horizon it's going on all those days again he's very dutch he's very careful with his word right so the fact that the ramen brings down the rule of akaton after he mentions all these other uh criteria rules and regulations of the days mushroom every single day could it be that ramen is not possible so who could explain what the ramen most how does the ramen be the gemara then because they're basically in the kumar's like you said shiva and only shiva so how would the ramen be the gemara who could who could explain this to me how could the ramen's opinion fit into the gemara is the question clear very very positive notice i'm asking you an answer think about it for just a quick moment because could it relate to who says the brothers if there's a first person who's had the brock and then the last person then if he's in the middle then maybe let's say if so let's say on a monday or thursday if he was a lady maybe it would be easier for him to read because he's only calling three people i don't know i hear what he's saying okay i hear that i hear what you're saying you know to read would not make them you're telling me that the problem is the broccoli not the reading remember in the times of the gemara there was no bracha in the middle so that's why so that's what i'm saying he could get lazy no but when the gemara says i caught oil in the minion shiva right this this is the car referring to when merchandise i understand but when they had no rock also no right right because the for only the cayenne in the last person exactly so therefore how would it help that the cousin could read review so that would be no it should be good it should be good what am i doing the week so maybe that's what i'm trying to say that during the week a cayenne and a israel couldn't but maybe a lady oh okay so now you're you're okay you're getting into okay i hear what you think besides let's look at it from a different angle the other angle of saying is as follows if we're telling you that on shabbos where the shul is packed to yom kadosh the holiest day of the week and the gemara the misha's telling you to let a kid go up to the torah kabbah khamer on a monday and thursday with 20 people in shul right you could let it you can let a child go up to the torah right the rambam is not reading it as daf ko shiva dafkan chavez it's a holiest day maybe it's a cover that you're covered at sea but maybe you shouldn't let the kid go up oh it says says the mystery you could get let the kid go up can't go coming let me go on monday and thursday let's go from there that's how the orders there were understand the sugar you look around the world brought down over there right under the gymar megillah where one two three four five six lines in the bottom of the doors of the world the even a woman even a child the sake i would have thought is the covered shabbos camila vertu and furthermore so many people coming no one goes to work or buying a basic nest everyone comes one hits muted for him to go up sorry clearly right but this today could go up on on a monday at third we don't have to say that we don't need the the the mission to tell us that there's never passion so what's the next line cause for shaolin with a woman now what is it going to say no with the moment you're ready to get married together when it's taken care of confidence see that's that's time it's only a few people no no we see over here there's of course he says he says woman not because coveted seabourn right and he says that after he mentioned seven six five four three two he might after all the days of korea so that time in a shot of the women they'll go up this time but truly the old tion has a has a shiloh he has uh he just discusses this he writes maybe absurd he would never say he says as a pill maybe if you have a situation where let us say you have a whole family gathering together right whole family gathering together and you have a bunch of children and grandchildren all together and they want to read the torah bar mitzvah and all you have is family members he says maybe it's that covenant see what the lack of government said but maybe you could let your grandmother go up to the torah he says obviously that's nice this is just uh just saying because at the zebra it's all it's all her grandkids and his children right of course the mice we don't do any of that that's the period of kamura but the point is that women never go up we don't have such a good thing anyway not so not so positive the midst of creating tourism it's on me or you or anyone else in other words if i miss if i miss the creator tour today i'll have to go to another meet and catch the creator toro i don't if i miss the mcgill i gotta go catch another minion or read it myself crazy there is an obligation on the congregation right every time you should be reading the torah on mondays and thursday shabbos yadda yadda what if a guy happens to be in the redditorial you have to go to the bathroom so he has to go wait for the next minute to hear the next question he doesn't so if i happen to miss it okay not a good thing if i could catch it in five but i'm not i'm not hyped to go catch all the minions right but any event so we have a beer a different mahalak the ramen means apparently reads the gemara totally differently right there's another rambam in piracy where he quotes the girl name will hold the only from three and up you could let a kid go up right hamishi but we've seen it in clearly that a child could go up to the torah whether it's monday thursday look at the yosef over here he brings down as follows is it underlined by you or not it's right by the first paragraph he writes minions two ways of reading it actually holds like he says that's we when it says le minion shiva it means daft is number eight right right and uh and that's what i'm holding and it's the myself to the positive world not to let kids go up but this fight communities i for instance i wear the tone i was 10 years old for the first time i read math dear and then i read half torah as well i was 10 years old at the time and then i missed it i remember that better than any other career i ever made right i practiced back to shame i really i really put my heart into it but definitely have to let kids is to allow oh it's to allow a kid to read the torah even when he's a minor we let him go up like that only or mafia but if even like they asked for emotion it was it was moisture kelly bay's semen iron base i think it is he says they made a mistake they gave the kid the wrong date right he has all two about this and he goes back and forth right with the kid already prepared or everyone's already here it's all the leaving or it has to do with the guests and this is that you can let the kid read an aliyah on a monday or thursday if the kid ready for prayer you don't want to hurt the kids feelings whatever it is let him read if he's a few days prior to his bar mitzvah let kids go up over there and do it in this situation obviously everyone should ask his personal love but that's what they hold yes oh it doesn't matter as long as it's it's a few days before the barbecue a few days before they were told i'm ready no no he's not 13. no no no my bar mitzvah is let's just say on friday mornings okay and i want to have korea satoru on thursday so you can have a video as i'm reading the taurus obviously you can record it and monday i'm not ready for it right so i want to be on thursdays that's where the person with posting should we let them go up or not right so some would tell you listen based on all based on the round bomb base in the north right there's room right doesn't mean we should not have a bunch of kids going up but in terms of going up for maftir and chavez many sufficient communities allow the kids to do it based on the gilmar based in narita basically and the basic shot the mission provides the minha and their malcolm ashkenazim is not to do any of this have you ever seen this have you seen kids go upstairs anyone have you ever seen any any cuddles yeah it doesn't happen mission versus doesn't happen that's the common min well because you're not here they let the kids go up to master as long as he knows who he's uh as long as he knows who is yeah after he's not considered right okay listen also i told you also even muslim all right stop right here okay we saw it's a lot in certain places but there's there's a bit of a question that must be answered there's a major question that must be answered one second one second let's analyze something we have a rule in gemara sign up right anyone that's obligated in something could be mighty someone else with that mitzvah if you're not if you cannot be married to someone else right kiddish i'm after getting killers i make you douche i have you all in mine oh i want to make finish again second time no problem i'll give it to someone else second time i could be mighty my wife and then go to my grandmother and go to my neighbor like you might see others there so i could come along and we might see others as well right but if i have no clue in it right so you can't be much together right so that's the case how could a cotton read the torah and i'd be happy all right but there's a similar question at the scheme asked regarding this you know by fiat omer feminism so one long meets uh 49 different midside if you missed a day right so we also have a bucket like you miss a full day you can't without a bracha but the famous question is what if you have the realm of the shul that forgets the for a full 24 hours and he usually makes the sphere out loud and when they tell him right how do you say it when you tell them what do you say what do you say go ahead and what does he say i missed a day he's giving a whole speech i you have to be careful put up posters in your house and then you make sure you put an alarm clock and he missed he missed the full day so are we going to allow him to do can he come along to you and say listen do me a favor you don't count right now i'll count for you i'll make the have you in mind can i do that as a rabbi or not yes why yes because you'll be you're doing it for the next person you're being guides him and he has a here okay so he's saying i'm coming along and doing limited form and i'm hiving it right in my house he says not so simple that the rabbi could do that pull off this trick where he tells him be quiet i'll do it for you why because the gemara ishami says if you have regarding megillah regarding magilla you have people in your slime read on wall cities read on the 15th on world cities with on the 14th could a person from the 15th read for the people in the 14th or vice versa so it says says it says absolutely not why because by regular case about reviews right everyone has the same exact view of anchovy archive but over here in this case of the megillah this guy's here was in the 15th and other guys he was in the 14th so we can't have a ben uh uh benue some from british please come to tel aviv right now we need your help it's tel aviv no i tell you it's definitely not that's not a problem all right please come read for us so we see over here man here you all you can't do that for him one second so this rabbi lost out of his mitzvah right he missed the full 24 hours we hold the chemical bracha so i'm considered and he's considered i come along and fill the middle for him you're here after the breed caller says how would you respond to that respond exactly what he says what are you talking about he says at the end of the day you cannot compare the case in mcgilliton here because by mcgill there is no here at all for this guy from usually but by our case this is rob is really hype and spiritual but because he forgot then he messed up him you can't get over the bracket right therefore he could still fill in for the other guy right but whatever the case is with regards to spherus either fine we have a thought to think that it's okay okay you have to see what the price can hold i thought regarding this case of the cotton that we're dealing with right now this cotton is one hundred percent not about you this ten-year-old boy that wants to go up to the torah is out of bahrain how in the world is he gonna go up and be becoming the mitzvah for all of us that's the question that we have to answer who could think of a basic sparrow to explain what the answer is you just said before it's cubed it's sibo not the individual okay therefore therefore you do the cut so he's going to come along and do this meet something for the t-board but he's not it's a cheaper it's his part of the people no the cartoon is part of the t-ball okay right so the catan is part of the cebu therefore therefore he doesn't have his own hype but it's insane but if it's a humanity then the youth should be fulfilled in the proper way of how varnishing is ever filled after seven only right so in other words how could you have a kid come along and be because so one possible answer that that the honey bring down is okay the mitsuhistore is only mito derbana so it's a metadata okay so you have the kid what's the big deal have they keep in mind okay to come along and read the torah every single week bashar al-aban who felt that army still needs to read the torah so he said you're going to have monday thursday and shabbat you don't know three days without tutorial you know mushroom even said one elite is fine one positive is fine you don't have to have but always that he made you know one second whatever whatever the case may be my wife whatever the case may be the mitzvah creates the torah is not a mystery writer maybe other parshiot para maybe it's telling me it's a middleweight therefore a case you have a cut on fulfilling army to the opponent but another question has to be asked on this because we know we're regarding megillah it's a here if they're abandoned right that's definitely not uh the waiter could a catan with a megillah for us what do we hold because he doesn't have a huge uh oh one second so just like by the torah we say it's the bonus the cutting can do so why not by the megillah which means he's high midrabbin to keep the mitzvah of the robot of megillah two to abundance connected for the midst of wanderer button we have one banana and the cotton has two opponents and the actual meter of the megillah the two of the opponents can i have two but for your ten-year-old kid to write read for you and the question so if that's the case let's go back to our cases to korea say vitara how can tudor abandon come along and do it for wonder upon it okay so christopher is the rabbana how can he do it so the nicer there's about three or four opinions brought down in the scheme to explain this it's about question it's a valid question first off we have the laboratory swell before she finally processed them brings us down nigga's moisture the bushes as follows he says i think you were saying that before someone was saying it before the katan is okay to go up the shiva island now the korea explains it reminiscent finds he writes on this that's not right at all why because again like we said this to khan of having a balcore was only at the condos instituted later on in times of going into some sometime around there when there are crisis people not pronouncing the words right and then they they don't want to read the evidence therefore they say you know what you go to the torah and we're gonna have someone else before you but in the time that we said that qatar could go up to the torah there was no backer so so the answer of saying that the cousin didn't read is not valid because when they said a cousin could read it was at the time when only the people that went up read so therefore it says accurate answer what the mordecai said everybody what what says now now the rivage brings a different answer and this answer is is really the assertive of our case the reverse and we'll see a rush as well writes as follows says anyone that mixes up an elephant an iron right shouldn't be going up right whoever you could differentiate with an elephant right right so most people even back then they had trouble with these letters with all the letters the race and people had trouble with this and that right so they knew that everyone's a bucky in reading the torah therefore they weren't mature to always have seven guidons they could read the torah every single week ella it's kinu they were instituted when they came over the decline of seven early manchabas right they instituted shiyako hakatan hayode liquids the alice dominion shiva when they originally made it to khan of having seven ireland the original tikana was we need seven orleans seven people that could read and know who they're reading and who they're blessing and therefore it says there is no problem of qatar going up that was a original institution the original institution was what then you have seven ireland and part of the seven of them could be anyone who knows how to read the tashbetz elaborates on this moshe no instituted to read the torah on monday thursday and shabbat he didn't tell you how much and who and why one early one passed it was enough later on ezra and him instituted criteria whatever it is right so when they entered the mushroom institution when major benin is doing it obviously no cutting went up but wants to be added onto the institution then the never put together on who could go up so anyways when you let jakartan go up on tv we already definitely fulfilled mushroom institution the time of the question read fulfill it 100 right to the touch bets that according to the revivage turns out that the original takano was to allow a cotton to go up to the torah and there is no problem of he's he's not a goddamn or he's too young et cetera et cetera clear and not clear move on the rush has another explanation he says why in the world could cut and be part of a minion shiva but cannot be part of a minion of esser asara for keduja does it make sense we can't have created or without a minion right we cannot have casual minion and here we are let me continue to go up the crystal so how could you how could you have such a thing it says the russians follow us that's what we discussed before he says there is a mitsubishi it's a mitzvah the torah should be heard by the congregation from klopp from mr vitor it should be heard by the congregation monday thursday et cetera et cetera that was make sure that sibo hears the queer satoru he says that's how the original takana was therefore a gothic could go up to the torah even though he cannot be part of the asara that means if all you have is nine godolam and one cut down put it put aside the the whole is okay they wouldn't be good you gotta have ten good early minute content that got to go up to the toro right that's how the rush explains it the takana was originally just to be mashmiya is it don't you have to hear it from someone who's required to do that so he's telling you that the mitzvah is just to be heard but to be heard by vardas and akata that reaches the age of seven eight he's reading it out to you but no problem i understand no but he's telling you the original was that anyone that can read it properly should be able to read it he should yes maybe he should be uh he could be that should be good right so we're telling you that the katan's obligation originally was equal to the goddess obligation in terms of his his capabilities they said originally that the torah should be heard by the tibor it's very common you go from eritsel to new york all right it's yomtav in new york let's just say so we're reading the korea of yomtov and it is so then they're already reading the next week's parsha not jabez so when you go to aries israel you miss the parsha right so what do you do in the world upon you to go here every single part of the torah it's the covenant but to be to be reading every partial right so since the rush is that if you happen to step outside to go to the bathroom you missed a few years you have to go to the other room to go hear the aliyah that you missed chris mcgill is different obviously it says the raj that the original tecano was that a child could 100 percent go up to the torah and wait for the tibor now there's a big nafcamina between the rosh and the rivage what's in afgharina according to the rush i couldn't read all seven alias all right according to the rivage didn't want to be matriarchy to go find seven gender limbs you could throw a cotton in there in other words the katsuki shouldn't be letting katana be the whole you can let him go out for sri or whatever it is so you see a big napkin right there wasn't my surrounding robot told me that he was living in north tel aviv there was no one everyone amiratsum over there so he was 11 year old boy he knew how to read the torah very nicely right and they were born in the community gave him a head to to read the torah the whole parship oh every single week they became perfect then that was his official job right because no one else would do it they had no doubt that had no banishing over there and he was the one that read every single week it was based on his journey right based on the rush right you don't want to be you want to cause it see but not to have created torah to let this 11 year old kid with the torah all the time right the truth is that this rush also presents another problem god tell you why when i go up to the torah i make a bracha and then we have the balcore of the reeds do i have to read the longest about cory or not yes yes definitely you should really read with about kara sure why is that why is that because if i make it with your key of tweet originally and now because you and i don't know in other words he's doing it in other words if i'm not going to go up and read with the balcony it's i'll tell you what the problem is so why did i make your vlog i need to make a breath here you're sitting over there in the back i go up here and i make it rougher mine after you because i'm standing close to the door i can make it rock and you can't they called you up to delta i understand so that i have to do something different than everyone else everyone else is here to meet your mecca you know right but i can't just take that same because otherwise you should be able to make it while you're sitting down as well right lmi many persons can hold it the guy that goes up has to read together with i mean the truth is many people don't do that many times about car rushes or you're having a hard time following where you're at you don't want to read whatever it is so so according to the macabre holds clearly apparently it's the rockefeller i thought it seemed like for the macarthur the rama brings down that even a sumo could go up to the torah which implies that you could it's that that's okay because zuma can't see what he's reading again he can't say about it because that paper won't help you gotta actually read it from the filmic staff right but i would see a person should be making to actually go up and read together with the shiatsu board right and the truth is you go to any of these bali troopers rules or any of these uh shoulders full of no one we do with the back or some prayers can brothers so try not to let them go up but give them they'll let them have one of the minor leaders or try to this out of that today in many shows they sell earlier so how could you stop these guys from buying a slicing river in kamishi right so on shabbos we saw also weekdays we started selling oh what are you talking about all right the sure interested it isn't that but hi guys you're going to be managing from going up how are you going to do this plus dr charlie want to call my cliques tell the guy i can't go up so what do we do with this what's what's what's uh especially for this farm we hold like the macabre who seems to hold the block of a dollar what do we do with them this is the rashkin as we have what they rely on so i saw a beautiful explanation from again was the chief rabbi he passed away about ten years ago he was the last chief rabbi wishling right now all the politics and everything else he never knows to be next maybe you'll be some lady of your fault you know you know that came but the point is whatever the case may be he was a tremendous so many times he writes he wants to be miyashi the menagerie allow a bunch of amiratsum to go to the torah look what he writes he brings up from his own kadosh the zelda colors writes as follows he writes whenever the balcory reads the torah no one else should be reading with him she'll be the only one reading the torah no one else two people shouldn't be reading with him says that the person that goes up shouldn't be with him either he says uh sir two people shall be ringed together with him should be one person during the torah at a time even though it seems like the guy should actually read with the with the balcony seems to say but then milan is retired he says no it's absolutely that you should say quietly with him don't say too loud say quietly with him right so the first thought in in about yourself was that you don't have to read it at all second thought was maybe nizar would tell you to read it quietly but the question is so to interrupt what if he sits in his own seat and reads it with the bar chorus what does he have to stand next to him what is that next thing the one who gets a leo no but you have to read from the clap you don't just read it from uh from the regular comments what if he is club no wait a minute who is clapping you're holding a safety door on your lap what are you talking about you have to go up come over to cebu if you have to stand up also the kamaru says right so so it's not so no you don't do that right but whatever the case is so the beginners have been tip number one is maybe just be quiet yeah and that number two is stay quietly with the with this even with that black hole so now time number one i'll tell you why it's a real sad because they're basically many personalities their advisor brings this down as well they have a cloud any time the mccoy is a person on something and the gemara does not talk about that issue fathers are right that's what the the rule that the advantage brings down so again so if you have a machine the person's come on okay they're understanding that you want us to worry about this when they wanted to talk about the topic and then the scheme argue on the topic like over here some players give all that chameleon it does apply by saying torah and some hold not somehow you gotta actually read the torah with the cousin so it says says says about yourself then in this case where the gemara doesn't talk about the case about what you have to do should make on it that should make your own you could rely on the zodiac and not read at all but then that just ends up maybe what this overhaul is that you should say quietly the center of shaman bashar says follow says in reality we see two truths in the base yourself in the bedroom so of course ends off with the secretary to stay quietly but he only did that to fit the opinion that we show him the whole that you must say with the casual it's about it he only wanted to fit the czar to feed those rejoining but in reality the basic understanding of this all godosh is that no one should be reading anything reads it everyone else fulfills your mechanic including the guy that goes up to the torah so therefore it says he says there's people that go up now they can't read the talk they don't want to be the broke horses you sit down and you agree with them the person if you could tell no story you don't know how to read this it could be marketing the person told me this so that's kind of the dinner from what we see over here obviously every case has to be discussed with everyone's personal rough but what we see over here is that from the basic understanding of the gemara and the rambam it seems like a miner could go up to the torah even on monday and thursday but the minute is absolutely not to do that except certain safari communities allow a kid to go up in chavez and bishop on mondays and thursdays as well so if you happen to see a kid that uh that's reading the torah and you say when's your bar mitzvah next week what do you mean that is what to rely on that you definitely fulfill them it's especially based on what the rush says that the myth is to be mashimi the creator it doesn't matter who's being mashmiya right and the reason why we say no to women is because that would also be okay right therefore imagine fighting you should look through the troop i didn't have a chance to finish it but uh because it's funny because i have at home there's much so for some reason you have it and you have a blank page another one on the blank page that happened the two that i needed i couldn't get a clock so i picked it up this morning over here but whatever the case it looks in the tube and we'll find out where my should hold the myself but uh there is what to be somehow what did you say about it now what okay