Zionism #8- Difference bet Distortion, Ideology, Torah Hashkafa - Is yr paradigm Torah or Street?

today we are actually going to learn in the text yesterday I think we had a great fabrangan like Easter likes to call our uh learning my learning of my marum yesterday was more of Abraham but it was very important I don't see it as of her bringing although it could be used as a front ring and I see it as really understanding some of the background to the safer that we're learning in which is very important and we'll there'll be more of those uh things that come up as we go along so stay tuned don't give up so quick hey last paragraph says and if you'll say he's speaking to this you know sad person and all that Kevin the Sita of of not accepting the non-religious Jew and calling them a co-fare and a poshaya a sinner uh and a Russia I don't like saying it so I hope I don't have to repeat that many times if you'll say keeping sure you do I say yes he says and if you'll say that since there are proofs that come from the cheetah is in other words he said before we all said before the question is is the argument that you present come from the shita or does it come from the Torah that's instead from an emotional response and looking and it wants the the he wants the the reader to look at it from a an objective perspective and he summarized it earlier in the last two Sheeran that we had on this whether your your stance is it your stick is it your shita is it Williamsburg is it Le babic or is it Toyota and he says that's the barometer to test if anything is Ms and true or it's your own thing and even if it comes from yoshita and your Reba and all that so be it like he said who says you can't argue with uh without without if you could bring proof of the Tater and I gave a whole share about about that what yes I have an older friend an older friend that became about you like in his 60s 60s or 70s yeah and he has a joke he has a joke the joke is so what cult are you part of are you part of the cult of it you close to the spot here right right exactly exactly so is is you know cult is you know is is a very harsh word and and you know I'm not going to go into that you know what are the mechanics of a cult I mean that's another discussion Emmanuel um who was a PhD in philosophy he spoke a lot about this the the you know the difference between a cult and he knew he knew the coke business very well because he that was one of his Specialties you know to bring back Eden from Colts versus ashita ashita now again I'm not I'm not now a linguistic and your English major to tell you well that's what cult means maybe it does but from from out from our Eternal perspective there's a difference between in my in my humble opinion between a cult and ashita okay uh in other words ashita doesn't doesn't say beat up the person or kill the person if if he doesn't follow a hundred percent I'm not talking about the life to her because life's tar was more in line is more in line with a cult yes I would agree but even the satmer you know I don't and I think the Couture Carta they weren't you know to a point where if you don't follow my way I'm gonna kill you no they say just don't walk in May assure him in a way that's against our standards you know that they're not telling you that you have to adopt their standards the encounter argument that the streets belong to the public not to you but you know so in that way that Conquering the streets so you could say well that's a cult they you know in the street you must walk that way okay but but so so I'm saying it's a good joke I understand it I've heard it many times trust me just like you have but it's not necessarily it's a cult it's a sheet so the question is is this cheetah I we and then we find support and Taylor that's what Abuelo said we should look at so now what what is well says Mr gasserie a third thing Mr Goss but if y'all doesn't want to say it here well he did say the word sugar before he didn't want to say it before but really you know if the shita is I and we it is it's your Michigan but you understand there is Michigan which is like there's no source for Taylor so we have three things I'm glad you said the word Mission guys we have Mr Goss which is totally no Torah support one second insert then we have a sheeta which is my own sheeta our own shita and then and it has total support because I later find Torah justification to justify what I and we want to do and then there is the third pure objective which is Torah and from Torah it it develops into Ishita yes yes sir I wanted to say there's a there's an expression that the difference between ashita and ashuta is that a yid that says my shita is the omnichita and the shita picks the small yid and makes him such a big toyot and turns into a show cut oh that's a great word I never heard it that's worth a hundred bucks I might make a two minute inspiration this week from that word that's great when did you hear that recently or years ago foreign [Music] whatever you're cutting in and out another time let's continue inside second line page Sadiq hey 95 last paragraph second line a true verb is a heap shooter the response of yours says to know whether it's like he only says okay I will just like simplify with those three categories I've written before he says those that have um a preconceived that's what shita kaduma means a preconceived shooter in the parenthesis that are taken from ideas from the street today is the flame as yard center right the flame always said when they bothered him they shepherd him he said I could just tell you my music wasn't taken from rock and roll and country in the 50s in the 40s they're slamming made up his own music so all you big talkers with all your big complaints most of your music even till today is taking the you know Foundation music okay if you then I don't want to mention names but it's it's a fact I mean Abraham fried might be an exception no he's actually not an exception you know Benny Friedman you know whatever in other words they they they're not like some of the Israeli singers where it's clear it's coming and even American singers but anyway Slimer was Manish you know was he made up his own lyrics and own tool it's his original so that's what it's saying is your shita taken from ideas from the street you know he watched the founder the fans are really and the fans over there the 50s and 60s that that show or the Sullivan Show and he came up with a creative idea and he put it into a story or into a song means that you're taking yoshita from the street call a spade a spade you're a great personator and you know how to dress it up but you know how to make it feel Jewish but you Assad in its foundation it's from the street and that's something by the way as we develop and grow ourselves and children and grandchildren it's a very important the Kuda when they ask what what in other words what's so wrong to become you know familiar with so many things that are out there and this is one of the answers the issue is whether whether later in life will these issues create for your your model and if it's not a terror model it's not a turtle model so that's why there's a sensitivity to to issues one second to issues of the youth and that is why we have the disagreements in the community you know when children are young so the rapper for example he'll that for example came out with something that is no one else is hardly anyone ever spoke about or suggested children shouldn't see pictures of non-kosher animals it's like it's unheard of but the rep explained it he explained the word rambang and explained that that there's me this there's animals and birds and that have bad midos and like the ramban says and that's why some of them are not Kosher I mean they're not Kosher because Hashem says not Kosher but but it happens to be that they you look at their nature it's no good so why should a child identify with a certain bird that has a a not nice meter you know that that is a kind of a far out type of thinking but they never said that so a lab amateurs you know adamant about it and everyone else isn't that I understand but let's look at the the the the um the the approach right this is what I want to the approach is that since a child is so young and impressionable you want them to have my service to hate us to have pure thoughts so everyone knows about you know not looking at things you're not supposed to we teach our children that from youth okay that we know right but what about you know this no one think of it right so in every Community there is this I this this argumentation what is considered it's a very important parenthesis here I feel ideas from the street or their ideas from Tyler and that's what the value and that says we as parents and grandparents have that's the barometer is what my son and daughter are reading in school in college in high school is so for example another example that ever wrote to Rabbi to Rabbi the Frida karaba wrote to Rabbi hutner complimenting him that high in Berlin in 1943-44 before you and I were born he complimented him for getting rid in high school of certain books that had you know um heresy ideas like Evolution and things like that the age of the world one second he was one of one of the only rap on this Rabbi who later you know didn't didn't feel great about Chabad it's another story right in four in the 40s he was tied with the free that could ever ended up during the 40s and he listened to what the fleet could ever said and the three capital rights to Zalman garari hosted the astrobe to get rid of moisha finds me who had the Yeshiva that was involved with Yeshiva in the Lower East Side the same ship that exists today right up your message Yeshiva and another fukushi and Tara vadas to get them to get rid of the same books in their High School course who else was thinking about that very few people but that's not the point that's not the point my red but you're mistaken that's not the point the point is that the the question of right and what was that what was the freedom campus idea he's not telling you to close your high school department no the Bible teaching about high school department too is telling you to read the books another example my wife's grandfather who was the first to Australia to Melbourne open the Yeshiva my wife told me he learned he was a Russian gate he learned himself English well it was a very intelligent man and a very thoughtful man and he would read through every book that he that that the school called for in their curriculum in the bathroom although he read the books again I don't know how many books there were but you know he wanted to make sure so this is something that's that's alluded to in all this Hilo you wanted to say something I was just gonna offer myself up as a cautionary Tale in this regard because you know here I am kind of uh close to 70 and you play me Three notes from a pop song from the 60s I can remember all the words but I can't just remember a paragraph of Torah that I just learned two minutes ago you know yeah yeah listen and and and I didn't grow up with that but what I learned in my youth you know um some of that I remember and what I learned now is it's like it's not that way so so I relate to what you're saying but and I've always told you of here you know that in that eighth grade in that eighth grade class when they when the teacher brought in that uh song from Frank Sinatra you know you those boots are made for walking I'm here 60 61 I'm going on 62 and I remember it you know and we were not listening to uh to go to rock and roll so so I understand that who wants to say something someone else wanted to say yes or someone I don't know okay let's go fight there yeah I remember yeah yeah yeah go ahead when um I remember that that in the Yeshiva there was in the curriculum there was evolution and we were taught to just not look at it literally just it was even if it's going to be on the on the region right if you're gonna fail yeah you need to learn it okay Ricky it was in the book right right right so I whatever I I don't know if you know if the change I I don't know go ahead Maisha is interesting because uh in light of the um that piece that the New York Times did not long ago but they really came out oh highly critical I mean okay putting aside New York Times their agenda not agenda right but at peace that was you know extremely critical you're talking about you're talking about whether there Islam and all that right a creator that that piece he's talking about times sometime within the last six weeks oh no I don't know what they they came up with a huge article um being very critical of the results of different you know very from schools in the New York area in terms of like citizenship schools oh oh yeah yes yes yes yes yes I know about that yeah yeah for the first time they even they published the whole thing part of it was in Yiddish in the New York Times it's like a it's a big thing okay so what what what's your point well my point is that it's interesting that when you're speaking about this because you have on the one hand you have on the one hand probably School certainly this time and still I'm sure there are teaching things that it's or could be very questionable what are they teaching you know in terms of secular studies the perspective who's teaching ideas you know are they congruent with Torah ideas etc etc and then you have at the same time probably in a lot of schools that they're probably teaching so little or nothing of secular studies yes um let's let's uh it's a good point let's leave that for another another discussion it it's a good discussion that we should have at some time I mean it's Hashem um because I do have what to say on it I mean I'm sure you do too and uh it's it's something but yes this this touches on that and it could 100 percent this touches on that and that and and um that's what happened here right you know you're kind of forcing me to get into it because I'm passionate about it it that's what happened over here what happened over here and why it blew up is in my humble opinion is because we have extremists we have extremes if we didn't have extremes which was the you know the Yeshiva not no longer but it was the Yeshiva in the 30s 40s 50s 60s that was the uh all-inclusive Yeshiva and and you know for everyone I'm not talking about no but but yeah in the 40s 50s also so never had an issue as far as I know they never had an issue and things flowed to Yeshiva which started in 40 and 46 and and I attended in the 60s and 70s we never had an issue I went to high school I remember in our history course the the teacher yet spoke about Hinduism of Buddhism I remember I remember like you know it was the first time I never heard of those things in in my in my in my Terror classes and I asked and I was told you know some of it's about the Zara and you know and I asked why we do why are we being taught that and it was told wasn't this a part of the course and and just don't you know you only said before they told them you know to figure not read it in our case they said you know just go on don't make you know don't don't predicted to the teacher you understand he was a second I remember his name Mr Pollock I hope he's still alive he was a you know a Jew wasn't religious nice guy and it did his job so what you do throw eggs at him for teaching us about Hinduism you know this was the history course you know I remember I went to to my principal and he said listen I can tell you to go to high school your father wants you to go you have a mix with keep with that Fame you go to high school if this is the course you know and then you you use your brains in other words what's happened Moishy is that it became a a an extreme an extreme alitalra the laboratory School the you know the today which is the main schools and chronic with the two sectors on Eastern Parkway right they they started 1956 and the reper spoke that about not teaching children secular studies until the age of nine and I've explained that a child's mind is pure and you want you know like Kayla said you remembers everything so you want the first nine years they should get it all Tyran kadusha and then later so the Babaji Shiva my Yeshiva we did learn English in elementary so came along Russian Obama series I knew him and he said I'm gonna do it with the way the rapper said and I the rabbit's brother-in-law is doing it with the Russians of the previous Rabbi that he has English that's that's his issue it's not my I don't have to he made Yeshiva for everybody it's true the power Yeshiva started for everyone not just for the barbecules we have mostly not the babbages do you know that Ali Yeshiva the BBQ Shiva had most of the boys in the 40s and 50s and even going to the 60s when Alibaba just my uncle who you know who went there he didn't have a beard that a lot of guys didn't have beards I didn't want to go you know so my cousin was in my class you know it was a you know who came from a Bells at home but you know he wasn't the father I'm not sure had a beard I don't think he had a beard right anyway at the beginning was life so the point is that's good for you guys I want all parasaki this is called all Purity no English for fledgling Yeshiva today it has 2 000 students in the entire campus and it's the the Yeshiva Bastion of khabar today is only Taylor right so they took over they didn't learn English how did they get away I don't know when the thought but what I'm saying is they they kept things in a way where I'm sure as Chabad to see them they want they they use their Seiko they use their Seiko and I don't know the particulars you know when how but when you when you when you just say it's my way and you're taking money from the government you see that's a big difference than everyone else you you your mom is taking millions of dollars out of the US government and you don't follow their their rules and then you have some x what happened over here a guy master and and a few others open an organizer called yaphed um and they decided to snitch on the yeshivas and they said that the reason why we are not religious today and the reason why we were failures until we became not religious and started a new life is because of you not teaching us English and I actually heard this from some of these people over the years blaming the Yeshiva because they didn't teach English they were Goofs goof offs and they would were outcasts and they had to restart their life and of course that meant not being religious and therefore they're getting back now with the yeshivas because they feel the yeshivas are ruining and hurting children so a you know vertical it's very best too who are you what are you sticking your noses who asked you no because they have they have an ax to grind but at the same time I I if you take such such adversity you deal with it maybe I'm not I'm not sure because if someone is you know out to get you they're going to go all the way but but maybe you could have what's the word I'm looking for you could have um placated thank you placate it you know muster and companies if you if you give them some room and that and that's what it's all about I'm not sure what I'm saying is give room give room okay some of the ideas are merakai from the street I understand so what can we eliminate what can we keep let's sit down and work this out but when you go with an extreme both extremes no nothing at all or everything must be you're not going to win and that's a rule in life extremism breeds extremism and that's what you have Fallout issues at the same time you have success in other words extremism if you Sadler is so large every time I think about it it's I can't wrap my head around it they own the city New York they own it easy got up yesterday and you read it on here it's online the one who who said you should vote for huckle versus zeldon right I write him and he got up and he defended it and he basically said haha he didn't say haha I got you guys she won and guess what he didn't say this and my pocketbook my community is gonna get lots of money you guys were the frummies zeldon huckle's a Democrat and baby she wants school English in the schools now you have it so he's gonna be he's walking away my pocket's gonna get stuffed my yeshivas will have whatever they want and you guys are left and I'm the king he'd have to come to me this is you don't he doesn't say that but I'm just telling you so so so what did he do he he played he played you Seiko so you'll say well that's not a Torah approach it is and it isn't if you talk at doing it with a richest with a self and ego it's not but if you're doing it because you know you need to compromise somewhere and you need to placate and again I'm not saying that he's right and that's the to saying the idea so that's when you say better is one of your rights was in his thinking kind of an extremist you know in other words is it a tire away or not but even if you don't go to that extreme this is an important quality to for every issue in life if you want to know in business story I've told you my friend calls me one day we used to learn Tanya Midtown Manhattan together he calls me says Rabbi dolphin thank you for learning with me Tanya so I say I'm scheduled to come to you tomorrow you could have you could you could have told me thank you face to face why are you calling me up on the phone he says because I just came out of a business meeting and he's in life insurance and I had an ethical question whether it should be done or not and it was about a lot of money and I didn't know what to do and all of a sudden it hit me what would the pain in me do and that's how we answer this question and then I realized who taught me about the baby out to that but through our learnings I'm saying to you thank you for pushing teaching me Tanya and I should be able to integrate it into my thinking so in my business I'll know what the pain would do and whatever he did he did I don't know my point is well it's like not sounds like that would be a great bumper sticker the point is that you know yeah you know you if a person is himself an Emerson mention a Toyota Mensch is going to make a decision regardless of how much money it it's involved here that it can benefit is it ethical or not and if it concludes that it's not ethical and obeying me of Kanye meaning is really the ultimate Jew that the ultimate Jew would not do this because it's not in spirit of God it doesn't do it regardless of how much money and how much Fame you just don't do it and it's not easy it's not an easy thing because the Temptation is very great whether it's money whether it's Fame whatever it is it's a it's something that abuel would talk to us about this in Yeshiva in this fabrangians and not more emotional words and you know but more in intellectual thought but this is something that it created in us to think to to change our thinking to think this way don't think money don't think Fame don't think honor don't think think I think God think tighter think Ms and that's the barometer camera you got a second for bringing no no it's a lot to think of like a lot lots of think on what you just said all right it's it's not so push it but it's good it's good to think about it exactly and hopefully to implement yes Maisha yeah I just want to say would you just remember the room you just said that sounds like a true you know it's it's it sounds and it smells healthy as opposed to when you were describing a few couple minutes ago about the samurai right what you said right like it just that it's like it didn't it did not smell it just doesn't sometimes you know something yeah yeah right but my that was my that was my right but my shirt that was my spin on the South River what he was saying you know he I'm just that's all okay okay this I'm all I'm just saying is that it's just such a you know sometimes you can this is this is something I I ever since I began to do the moment I started to become the more observant I was was I was on witness test when I when I heard the little someone was speaking when I saw what someone was doing but I saw how they behaved how they looked it it was like does it does it does it feel like it's true there's an element is it real or did something just didn't smell right right you know you know I conclude one story that I've told you but again worth mentioning there was a hostage risen there's a Chabad family the drizzen family so the the grandfather great-grandfather was he learned in the Babbage and you know and he was accustomed and he knew how to learn a lot he's a partial for himself and he was a stick of my Spear of mine I had this course he came to my work and I heard a lot of things from him and I've shared things anyway so he what I heard what I'm telling you now I heard from rabbi foreign I think in Queens he is a Lakewood and partnovich student he himself comes from uh so you know he's a big mix he's a big comic and he's a nice person and I would we would he lives here a few blocks away and 11 12 at night many times we would talk a half an hour an hour and and I heard things from him which which I I appreciated so so he told me once that above rum came to Lakewood mayor was related to Robert schwarzman Rebel Schwartzman was the son-in-law before the divorce to Aaron Cutler's daughter right okay it's a whole story about the divorce not now maybe never because it's not not uh whatever the battle was a yid from Neville from Russia you know with the babadook see them at 16 St block so this was like Lubavitch town you know and they were simple they were known as that um butchers they weren't but they were so heartfelt Laboratories with a little mushka and a Negan and A Tear this was like in in its best you know in it they used to say from the time of the middle around but we say hallelucca the navel the Rhino right in the hallaluka praise Hashem with the harps so the receiving would save from the time of the middle of hallelucca benevil praise for God comes from our city Neville okay so if you you might hear in Chabad even today I'm from Neville I come from never see them I mean that was like spits you know oh this is where anyway you know The Real McCoy not the Chabad BTS I don't mean BTS you know even us who are from you know from families considered for 151 years but we weren't khabab they were pure Chabad 150 years anyway so um in a battle schwadsman was a relative to rababra they were related so I brought my yard had more of a pass in Lakewood besides that he was older and he knew about a bear and he knew the rugged shover and he knew he knew the doctor slap but he knew them all and he spoke to them you know in those days there wasn't the you know the spoken learning he almost went to slavotkin so he was a universal figure and related to to to to the cutlers and to Lakewood so he had it in so he was once for bringing I think it was in the sukkah in a sukkah this is what the rabbi gansui tells me he was bringing in the soccer must have been 100 200 people there A lot of people a lot of heaven and they're listening and you know he would take Moscow he was a real Russian Geet and he could take a good drink and he was animated and he would speak and cry and talk and and he said and he said he said you guys are listening to me here right yeah because if I bring it he says you probably think I want to make you into a barbecue because that's always the you know hey what's all about what you're thinking about to become khabab become the Babbage you know no that's that's an old an age-old accusation sometimes there was some truth to it but the rebellion was not that way of ramayana was not that way frankly I'm not that way and and there are many that are not that way you know just whatever so he says no no we have enough laboratory 770. we don't need any more of amateurs we have enough of our own to deal with but he said if you have want to see a Jew who's a a yes Hashem and a m as a Jew come to 770 to see and listen to the laboratory rather so that supports what moisha just said it's not about my party your party it's about emmis and Tata and that's the right approach so you have that right approach and and I think all of us have that approach and it's just we should keep on sharing that that that's what you should look for and if that draws you to become a buster husted like like yes sir cavalik ivaldi so what it's not it's not a game here yeah yeah you know it's it's like it's it's and unfortunately some of these Casitas in it it's become like you have to be only my cousin but you have to behind my cousin if you're in the summer talks to you just another classic another God little another of go there doesn't mean you can't learn from them you should learn other things from that okay have a have a great day Monday Mr sham have a great job as we'll see everyone zygous bye-bye foreign