Zionism #7-Does a Chasidic Rebbe need to wear a Shtreimel? Who innovated Outreach in Chabad?

the day we're here on page Sadiq hey if you say from Mama and Rubio Khan who wrote this letter although it his name was not on it at the time and it it's written in third Forum it's a a student at Bahrain the Yeshiva 770 who drove him around and he was um asked by the different satbar and others you know about the sheet of Chabad how does it coincide with with the alte rebels they saw the Rebels the previous rabbit the urban particulars Outreach as a departure from the alte rebels model of mayorkshallah referring to moshin mind over midos within yourself and they saw the idea of your foods that the balchemtev was told by mashir when he had a vision and he was in in the in the he went into the chambers of the of the of the mashiach he asked them Master ma when will you come and he told me look you can finish when you well sprinkled spread forth and uh the Frida club and the lab in particular took that to mean to go to the streets with mayonnaisejo the the Wellsprings myself is not just niggler the Torah but see this so the rabbit started it in in this in the seventh late 1700s and he had opposition from the lechovich and and from the calendar and from others and with you this kiss live it was established that his Derek his old is Hashem and it's accepted accepted then they used to wants it that was okay fine so for kind of 200 275 years or so um had the backing backing of other Hasidic groups you know more or less okay I'm gonna say more or less but um when the rev the rabbit took us a whole different level you know uh to go out to the streets that's something that that even the Babbage didn't do in Russia you know so the represent of course because it wasn't the time the call of the hour on the contrary in Russia you you know you'd be get killed for that but we come to a free country in America that's post Holocaust and the Jews are falling aside and we need a Revival so the rapper said this this he sees as a way of Revival in addition to Tyrant learning and mitzvas and everything else of course but reaching out and about Hashem he did it and other organizations joined and did the same and we have uh Hashem entire great grandchildren today of baltuvas who became you know during those years and um Community has grown and the double tripled the south of those who were ever without those that were you know still believed and believed in ashita that Outreach is not within line of the altareb in other words they claim not the claim they are also they they come from the balatonya you know I don't know if you know that but it'll be a title bomb was a right so they claim we're the real inheritors of the balatanya and you the barbiturs your Derek has made up you decided yes yo I didn't understand what you just said about raviel title bound have y'all titled bound his family way back were relatives come from the balotagi on one side huh um I think I think I think a great great grandfather grandmother married into the snares and family that's what I mean they're married into the snares of family just like um yeah I think also one of his and an announcements um daughter one of the children what granddaughter thank you granddaughter married uh grandson of the Alta remember my second marriage but they were married I wrote about it in my book I'm breastlive so in other words there was always you know intermarriage between rebelshire families that's that's that's a known thing not just but Chernobyl twirskies are telling them you know that's that's a known thing um but but you know until the the rebber you know everyone wore strible so everyone was comfortable in other words what you do in your house and heart of hearts how you sit and what meaning you're doing should or in your house who cares you understand when you go to the streets and you put on a bent down hat and you're a Reba and you go to college and you and you and you don't wear a straw move that's a public statement and why are you going like that said no no what I said no no so so this you know without even a a philosophical issue right away rub the Hasidic world the wrong way it just said like if you're not accurate and if you're a rabbit but where's your scribble one second you don't go to college so right away you got two strikes against you and this will barbecue red but went to college you know a limited a limit you didn't go to Arabic salvation who got a PhD the rabbit went to get a a engineering degree so he got he went to he went to courses to be able to get into the engineering school but you know again there you think the people on the street know that they don't know that and they don't care he went to college he didn't go to college Robert salvation went to college yes he went to University of Berlin signed up for a mathematics course in another course because if he didn't have those things the the engineering school and we have the name of it I forget the name now wouldn't accept you so he needed those courses to get in and so to with the sub born so born when he went there he wasn't a college student per se and his record showed that he was away from sometimes for a few months at a time because the free that could happen needed him either in Riga or in Paris wherever he was so and for years I'm talking about for years so when we have the letters we have the time it's it's all it's all open you know but who who studies that who knows about it people the people outside of chabadon or even many habatics don't know but outside of Chabad for sure they don't know so therefore they the the the the issue that that struck everyone and and they knew that the previous levels this big Sadiq with a spottic and he went through the the the the Russians the Nazism and everything and he survived and he was a ill man confined to a wheelchair you came in you saw everyone that came in to see him from any any kind of Judaism background said some he's a Malik he looked like a mallik you know I've heard this I heard this from that saw him in the 1940s I heard it from several of them they said he he was Mommy it's like awesome awesome the soccer rabbit went to see him the bubble Rob went to see him you know he was a very big Sadiq and his appearance lent itself to that image that the Hasidic world had of itsadiq then comes along and he's a younger man he has no strible and and and he went and he went to University whether you know I went to University to some capacity oh and you're an epic and not only are you or that but you all of a sudden opening your mouth and you're and you're and you're Gathering people around you and you're going to the streets they said that's a departure from what they called old old Chabad and what they created was an old Chabad versus and this is maybe for another time you know even Barry garari the previous step is grandson in his uh Manifesto he writes this point that my uncle his uncle is the red is my uncle's Chabad is the new Chabad and and we don't identify with that you know so even within Shabbat there were individuals as close as the grandson of the previous letter and of course his credit he doesn't have credibility because of what he did you know and he didn't have a beard and and many more things which I'm not going to say in public so um so you know he's discredited but nevertheless that was that was the mindset foreign New Mexico and you know the the Mountaintop New Age this is New Age stuff it's new age considerism so in other words they didn't need to to start new age citizen they said the Obamacare records started already New Age cause citizen you understand so what Rubio is really dealing with I'm giving you a background like taking a little time to explain it you should have the background what up yoil is really dealing with is much greater than just a few submers on a tour of character mix throwing stones or or shouting Shabbos shankets and and all that stuff we're dealing here another what I'm saying is and even by those and there's thousands and hundreds of of non-throwing stone Shoppers and non you know violent Vigilant type of individuals you would say normal individuals the question the the what what the Reba brought to the Hasidic world was an innovation as far as they're concerned and one second you only going back to the classical teaching of the Samsung right the new tour right you're not going to have right so so too the some sofa said that anything that's Innovative he was referring to the reformers of his time and that slogan what is embedded in hungarianism at like at its core we keep things the way it was in Europe and that was the whole sheet that by the way of the sapner of the supper of was Scottish material so he specifically walking the streets in the 1940s and 50s with his with his entire regalia my mother-in-law may she be well remembers encountering him in the streets I guess of Williamsburg either in the 40s or 50s you know very early on and I had a guy by walking behind and the guy told her get out of the way he's walking with him you're talking about 1949 50 51 52 Williamsburg Brooklyn there was no there was there wasn't any no one else wore will have beards and and and and and and caftans and that wasn't the case you know we can't imagine it because we have it all over today but it wasn't the case you looked like a weirdo and he's walking and he has agabite behind him and he Moses to my mother-in-law who was uh you know from besiaco girl and get out of the way she had no idea so so you know so he in a way oh so so what was his idea I'm going to teach the street that we could live like we lived in Budapest in Hungary in Europe the old way and we're going to keep that tradition and and that was so so this shita what's what's you know with nuances by this could see them Square new square right so the square rabbit of Jacob Joseph you know he says I'm going to open a state they call it a staple a statel a village and Upstate you know in in the raccoon County right new Square what was his idea it's it's too too chaotic here and it it's not sneeze we're gonna run away somewhere and he creates an entire settle which is wonderful but the idea was to be insular and not to be to the to the point where you know they have science and I've been there men should walk on one side of women on the other side not that they always keep it but I'm just telling you that so whether it's curious whether it's uh uh spree you know the the new Square uh and others wannabes you know those they just didn't have a chance to make it it didn't work for them um to create these enclaves well I'll give everyone a chance in a moment to create these enclaves to to to separate yourself so therefore because of all this and and all and and and separation going through Europe where the going you know many of them you know it was so anti-semitic they wanted to kill us the only thing we do is hide and run away and that's what we did for so long so the mentality continues in America it continues it continues and therefore and therefore comes from the Bible should happen he says no he says to go to the streets when you go to the streets these people hate us that's what they say they don't hate us they want to kill us you know be suspicious and I'll tell you the truth even though I grew up in about your home but in the community I could hear it you know you know everyone's going but you know it's like there's this my father you know is a Romanian Jew he would sing sometimes a tune that's it it's like and he took it to my grand my children and they were embarrassed to sing it to me they said ta it's so racist and he didn't he didn't even me it's what he grew up with you're all going in my bed and you know what we suffered so much you know in Europe that it was in our DNA that going to want to kill us every guy wants to kill us so all of this comes into to to to America post Holocaust comes and and five years after the previous letter passes on the never takes over and all of a sudden he works with the youth and he says go out to the streets and he starts getting women involved women women are supposed to be in the kitchen women are supposed to be locked up women are supposed to be not seen or heard I mean so you have to put yourself into that situation during those years to understand what what he did and how for them was outrageous it was outrageous and and knocks there too and you call yourself a rabbit this is dressing all of this that I just said if it through all of these things so when we when we studied it I don't want people to get the idea this is only about Sacramento and Natura cartoon mix no it's about them in particular how to address their kindness their arguments and also the overall symptoms and I think later on he will address some of that okay we have first is if you want to say something then hello go ahead and why should I have my everyone gets a chance go ahead yes it certainly this is great for brand great discussion yeah and I I can't remember the name of the book but I read a book years ago that was written as a critique of Lubavitch but everything that they presented as the critique I saw as a Milo and they used the Termini Judaism meaning just as you said they used to wear strangle out and now they don't they used to wear long coats and now they don't now they're going out in the street they're using technology to spread the Yiddish kite whoever heard of this and they were presenting it as a critique you know that the Remy in um the the drive to send out shlochen made sure that the talmudium no shrita and they know satras and they know castras and they know so to get Smita other Urban in the old days it used to be the intellectual hasidis that would just study gamara and now they're putting out all of these I mean artists who only know how to pass can shyla's in far out communities you know that was a kind but I I love that term Post kharadi Yeah I never heard that thank you thank you thank you that's a new pc post kharabi um by the way if you if you come across the name of that book let me know okay yes sir okay Yoni you're on so one thing is what I you were discussing about how the rebel was more new age but my question is wasn't it the whole thing with the Outreach and you know Shem and and and doing the Cure and and branching out wasn't that the free thicker of his ideas yes yes yes the old country and he you know he had the shrimal and everything but he set up the the river to to Really to go yes he handed him the football yes yes but but yeah that's true you said but but simultaneously the rabbit took it to another level it just took it to another level to feed the cadet but you know was was not a well-man it was so early on it was during the first five years from 40 to 45 he had a holocaust and and you know all he was dealing with that so he had really five and then 45 he has another um I think stroke it became more ill so you know and also who were his people it was the rebel written if it was those three four people uh secretaries and helpers in the office that took us things and you know and and publicized them but the answer is yes but let's say for example let's say the women's organization the sheikhabad right now the river started in the sheikhabad in America in 1955 or 56 I believe okay and that that was um a first you know an organized a mate in America organized women's organization on on a grandiose level who says that in 193405 10 years um 20 years earlier the previous uh zader review Gordon was one of them another kazanovski and Rebecca and I think I see them to make what was called the sister of the tamim the the boy a student studying in the laboratory she was called a tamim because the name of Yeshiva is so Rabbi said Sisters of the commitment and not that they look there was no laboratory girls schools talking about in in Europe but they came from a barbecue families and they never wanted that they should stay Chabad you know so he he wanted to create he created somehow um they should feel good just like Sarah Schneider did with bishakov the rabbit did with the with a host it was so small right 30 40 girls there's some there's a picture of it actually it's interesting to see the picture but from nothing you know I'm saying that didn't return come over to America they so I'm saying and then so the feedback but didn't really make a push of it you know he did start the 3D collab is the one who started the basic school right The Chronic right would start an actually in Borough Park and then he had branches in Williamsburg and Brownsville in here they're small you know here there but it pales in comparison to what how that happened his people took it to another level so the answer is yes yes and by the way what you said um was argued and it's written a book called hbad by my professor I've run fox fox Bruner who's passed on maybe one day if you asked me I'll tell you about him was a very interesting man I spoke to him once he lived in Silver Spring Hill it was the end of his life he was a genius I'm sure very bright I think he had a PhD from Harvard he studied by Rabbi uh the toner no the tone of the the Salvation toner uh forget his name now school yes professor at Rabbi torski so he was a very bright guy so he writes in his book habad and that's why I called him he writes that the Frida campus started the Outreach and that was a deviation from from the outer rhythm but he said you know in this issue he says I take issue and it's not just it's not the rapper he says it's the previous level they both went on a course and this in this area to deviance with the outer ever I picked up the phone right away to call him and had a long discussion with him we didn't change each other's opinions but you know uh I did discuss it with him you know on an intellectual level you know uh so the point is that already it what you said is the case okay just wanted to give you a background now hello to you mines are just questions um you mentioned new square and uh curacio and I was curious which Community came first and whether those communities get along with each other um Square I think I think the new Square came first I think now in other words I think the opening of new the opening of new Square was before curiousio but it could be the concept was first but yeah you know this can be found out easily what else did you want to ask I just want to ask did they get along those communities are they friendly to each other square and you know you know you know how it is friendly and there's friendly in other words I think I think um didn't uh no that's Vision it's a square he married the visit to his daughter um here in America he was a very very peace loving individual ish was was a fighter very you know a kanoi really his personality you know very he was very smart very Street Smart I'm saying was quiet but you know just like leave me alone I'm not into politic you know what I'm saying so you're talking about so two different people so if anything if the supper wanted something you know he would be nudging him and above her and this went on for years he had he and his people at tyness and other Hasidic sects why didn't him come out you know with with backing him in his various campaigns over the years because he wanted them to be as militant as as he is you know what I'm saying and they didn't want no okay and they said and that's why I think I told you that's why I believe the biblestam he made a choice when he left Crown Heights uh he he didn't move to Williamsburg he moved to Borough Park and Barrel Park that time was not a hasidisha place but he knew he doesn't want to be around supper of and lebovich you know and chronics became a war zone so he didn't want to be there so he's not but he could have easily moved a few blocks down he said no no no I'm telling them you know I didn't see this and I didn't hear it but I think it's it's clear as the sun he wanted to get away from the satmer you know a militancy and he moved to battle Park and he and and he did very well so both Jacob Joseph was covered by moving out there and and above moving there they they really you know separate themselves from from Williamsburg and you see that the closenberger rabbit you're concealed um uh halberstone of kleisenberg the big Sadiq he was in Williamsburg and he suffered you know that they threw eggs and fire engines they made his life miserable uncle I mean you understand Williamsburg was at that time owned by soccer and they you had to concede to whatever they they want otherwise they they were militants and they don't care if you're this so you know finally the the the closenberger started a division out in Union City New Jersey and one notice role I think that was also to get away from this this nonsense you know not that he you know he wasn't scared but you know it's like it comes it becomes cuckoo um Maisha you want them to say something or yeah I just wanted to continue on what you were mentioning about like militancy I'm just curious um where do other and I guess there's probably some final clearance after this but Club of bells we would consider we would maybe nasty consider something or I don't know moderate um well suffered greatly from satmer I mean like like a correct me if I'm wrong but I think like once a year I don't know if it's mostly simplest Tara or I don't know what it is the belzareba he's been giving like some sort of address right during during Simple Start I understand yeah or maybe and I've heard in the past like he's been you know said some things that would be considered a little bit radical for you know for um not just his for for you know facilitation communities in general so I'm just kind of curious with where I guess one of my questions what is other Hasidic groups like the ones I mentioned how did they look at let's say uh satmar not none of the other Hasidic groups have our militants recently Gare became very militant and it's it's very very upsetting um but Bells was never you know his his uh radical statements for example and wanted to get a job a half a day work I think if that's called radical we better check something out you know what I'm saying but but but but the approach of satpur is you know it's a great aggression it's like you know it's like it's it's it's forceful that most of the other gear now is doing that within themselves they're not going to others software expected cloisonburg and others you live in Williamsburg you follow our line and let's say what what once fair you know beat that guy and burnt this house because he she made his own Minion that was that was also aggression you know but that was in in in square I'm talking about 20 years ago but overall uh you know you mentioned but yeah they're all um you know they all everyone everyone moved away from supper yeah they moved away they got they just didn't want to deal with it so they moved away I don't know how it's not just roll but in America it's that way yes sir you wanted to say something and then we'll finish I just wanted to share with you because of your your yeah a little probably unknown uh part of Boston history ramosa from New York who at one time lived across the street from bubble geroni and William in a Crown Heights yeah uh was offered the position of nasias of the aguda which the remed turned down on his behalf she she would not allow him to do that but he was part of the moment right and he was trying to develop an insular community similar to what developed and encouraged you all and Samir not for Boston but for all of the people within the Buddha umbrella so that it would include all the groups that align themselves with the Buddha but they could not come together to make it happen just a piece of history that you might find interesting what what issue what year was that do you remember you know I don't know and is it written anywhere no um unless it's in the aguna archives which I don't have access to I'm gonna contact you go to archivist I know him because this is a very very important it's a very important piece of History oral history that I heard from older bostoners okay thank you very much yes I'm sorry yes sir my internet you cut out who who we speak who are you speaking about remote so as in red motion would it remind me that was a lady's father no older brother brother yeah brother the citizen New York I have to go we'll see everyone tomorrow we didn't learn inside but I think it was very important to have this background and discussion zygous thank you thank you