Zionism #5: Shabtai Tzvi, Lubavitch & Satmar: What's the difference? Misplaced Zealotry

okay so uh good day to everyone we're here on page Todd gimmel and we're middle of the page I believe the third paragraph of ice but before that just briefly the review is is is um we were to start at the paragraph right before that okay okay good thank you we'll do that in a moment is uh responding to the to the accusation of the the accusation of of uh people who are not from Bingo show him and all of that he's he's responding and oh and saying that I I in halacha it is a clear hello he's supposed to be kind of ayid and you know and and so so he said that these these people referring to the satmas those not all of them but those that feel this way they don't use their brains basically they say I don't want to hear because you're a kaifer since you're a kaifer anything you say is Kira that was the line of thought here so that's where we're up to let's go inside is she over you foreign God forbid it's a lawyer please and there won't and I won't have any questions on the proof that you bring Apple became yeah actually nevertheless I will feel butter kashem as clear as the Sun is from Heaven because the faith of a Jew and Hashem inside on our souls with great potency even the the strong winds that blow the great strong winds that blow which says in the parenthesis I refer to his intellectual argumentation and positions that are very very solid well yours is I saw this culture who it won't budget an iota some will come along and give you the best proofs that it's not that way you'll say have a nice day my friend ah you can't answer you don't have answers to refute his arguments makes no difference by you it's ingrained in in in your in your Core Essence so but let's part of that well I said the same thing because you know they deny the tarnishable pet your vehicle they'll bring proof that only the written faith is from heaven whereas not well he's not doing because she yelling somebody say also same is also if someone will bring proofs from gamara rabbis the later rabbis made a mistake in the brackets even if he knows that in the later it says clearly so so Elisha he brings proof from the Deshawn name that is foreign against the rambam and and he says they are all mistaken with Italian she actually is I'll write about this later so he's he he just brought to us two or three examples he didn't grind up in all of these situations it's self-understood there are different rules in how to make a ruling so it says if we you know this is true based on those rulings because we are believers Chicago whatever a future student will come up with a novelty and tell you to nithin lamosha it was already given in a general way to Moshe on Sinai the garments also planted in our souls very deep and very potent the holidays who so therefore therefore it won't budge you on iota but let me finish the whole Hampshire the thinking then it will go over it again and slowly omnum however when someone will come along the yards but Elite now explain to me so my man he believes behold David I was saying that is in all the words of the rabbis and the fact that he does he does it in a different way according to me my opinion it's forbidden yes you should present well if he said yes like Peter persimmon plainie it's because he has proof from another semen or in another responses and he'll bring support to his explanation nevertheless I will argue the nikivan shadashov is since until now our group has accustomed itself it's like Loudoun means we custom ourselves the fatish top of page Santa dollar s a particular law in a different ways I don't want to take into consideration any argument different than what I accustomed myself from youth on in the in acting cast if you argue this is you'll have to enroll him in a psych ward was very very um graphic his words basically saying you're an idiot okay I'm sorry to say it's saying this argument is idioticy it's it's stupid excuse me you know it's ridiculous in other words just the fact that you were raised a certain way means that and later you find out about Torah sources that it's not that way doesn't mean you're right and there's a difference a little between faith in God and faith and Tita versus things that you were sold a bill of goods as a kid that you have to hate non-religious people and they will show you man all of that and therefore when someone labavator comes to you and says wait a second the way you were taught is wrong you say you're an epicletus you're a shopped at sweet and I don't and therefore everything you say regardless and what proofs you have is heretical because you're a heretic so if y'all says that's that is that is stupid it's foolish and you belong in a uh in a mental home it's just not it's not normal it's not give this a thinking let's continue I think he might say this in this paragraph what I just said beneath narish in the first case um the reason I don't want to take into consideration any proof that's against Taylor skip the brackets that's exactly what I just said it's because of your great faith in God almighten this day and acclaima it's our take if a beetle you hear you see the word bit though Maisha isn't bold because you have Beetle you have humility you put a self your understanding for God's understanding of the terror therefore that is that is available that's tighter that's truth in other words very important when you when you're coming from a place of Bethel it's genuine you're not you're not coming and saying that's the way I grew up and therefore everyone is is not religious is bad and all of that and other such examples is not coming from Bittle it's coming from your yesh it's coming from you decided who are you even if the you is a big group you have a you have proof until you know 100 proof and most are abundant and most rabbis agree I'll I'll hear it but most rabbis don't agree and you're an exception to the rule and your argument is the average kid right behind Balvin printed his books so an eye colors on 13th Avenue I came in one day and the books were took thrown off the shelf onto the floor why because how can I write about that relationship knowing that I'll bring up sensitive issues so the little kids 12 13 14 15 they have nothing better to do they go in the old store owner doesn't see anything throw it off the shelf for that matter someone another baby shirt I was sitting with him with a few others out if I bring in and he went off against one of the thing one of my books and I asked him in public any and he was very humiliating and I asked him did you read what I wrote he wouldn't answer you know why because I know he didn't read it but as soon as he heard one word what that book can what that book or the chapter contained I'm not because it's the same thing so this isn't just I'm saying this this industrial supper Le Bobby chapos of their stick everyone has thick everyone I think so that's why when we learn such things when we're learning this is safe for this country is is you have to you have to really remove yourself whether you're a Hassan we're learning the content the context and that's what we want to see if it makes sense and and Etc who I am what I am it's not relevant right now in this case it happens to be that Rubio was approached by people who told them that was making them crazy and making them problems and all of that so he's responding to them but the truth is and like I told you and I'll never forget it until my last standard I never forget what happened and the person never apologized and he could have he was so sure that I am vicious because I mentioned someone who made the rabbit problems therefore how could I even bring his name into a book that that's what that's what we're living in where people become passionate with with with with uh an extremity that's totally outrageous not right and that ever the people who made our whatever the biggest problems and really made them problems and really did things that were embarrassing and all that he never said a bad word against him never he disagreed with ashita but not personally and this is one of the points in this country that we that and why it's so important you gotta proof let's go bring it to the table let's talk about it he was husted and everything else but he looked at everything with Seiko let's look if intellectually this is an honest argument or it's just an emotional argument if it's emotional then it doesn't belong in this realm and again so so you might ask why am I allowed to be emotional towards believing in God in this study and I said Abuelo says here why because that's coming from your great people it's a take of our people if it's coming from your people to Hashem and to Australia it's legitimate if it's coming from your yes or or other you know psychological situations and all that that it's not holy then it's yesh you could dress it up you could be creative but it's yes and believe me because you know this in the world that we live in this is very very true that their entire movements an entire psychologies entire philosophies within and without the Jewish world that do this and and this is and this is harmful I'll give you another example this is one of my daughters once stated someone and she you know liked them and and he was you know an upgrade for her as far as his commitment and they had a discussion about educating the kids and my daughter said that you know she would like them to pay play uh um an instrument I think she said um not a violin or a guitar I forget what and he said his rosh hashiva kabagra she would told them that's outrageous and if that's the case he cannot continue meeting her I mean it is right you're shaking your head moisture but and and this Russia Shiva is a very serious person and I see the guy I'm telling you again if this if this guy who dated my daughter was saying the truth and that was the case and I believe it was in certain areas it was it what you'd rather a smoke dope or go to bars and pick up girls and and do other crazy things then play then play a guitar what are you out of your mind what is so outrageous I'm playing a guitar you know so everyone comes up with their idea and in other words if you play a guitar that shows that this girl is not about enough she's not plugged into the essence because how could she want her kids to play a guitar it happened when I'm telling you it happened it's not I'm making up so what I'm saying is and that's one of the things learning by the bio for years I'm so thankful to him that he taught us this he knocked this not an Irish guy out of her out of our head he knocked that out he showed us how stupid this was and ridiculous this imposing and extreme you know if the trader says it on the other hand I wonder if the trader says it because I'll say it he was all the way forward for example I once met him in 770 I think was the first time I came back from Sleepless after I left in 84 to Marin County you trapped 85 it was the first time I came back to recharge my batteries to be able to see them with the Rev and all that and he sees me Smiles it gives me would walk over it was a warm person and all of a sudden he becomes very Stern he says no and I'm making my beds like what what did I do what did I do you know and he sees I'm not getting it so he goes like this my jacket like this he noticed I had my left button over my right and that result says you should have right over the left now he grew up by a father of a full Khan who was accosted from Russia and I believe those type of things were also ingrained in them like it's it's fasting on Yom Kippur you understand I'm not sure where it is that way but but you know it has that has a source and and he's saying we about follow the Ariza we have seen them followed the the Ariza therefore this should be important don't put your leftover right okay but outside of of bringing a source and and even that you know it wasn't done like leave the shoe and leave 770 until you get a jacket that has your right button over your left button no this is where it becomes Michigan let's go back to the text if Yolo's riding over here that yes I just want to say that should we all have experiences but I see so many times Ensure in general than this particularly ensure this is an example sometimes people they get so um worked worked up worked up worked up about something which is like it's not even just it's a minute it's like it's it's not even it's it's just it's like a it's like a it's it's like a it's like a like a custom like people get they get very I would almost say that in the way in a way yes like men hug him sometimes people they get very worked up about it like you know oh like certain things in the show like it has to be this way but really it's it's a it's not just it's not even just it's a minute it's like a I don't know it's like a certain you know it's like that's the way they did it you know back except that I see this all the time yes yes yes and that's why we have a rabbi I love and who hopefully is on the right page and don't he should decide what yeah what not and that's all otherwise you're gonna have chaos everyone because it's like when someone makes a mistake it's about code and you have 55 people show correcting him be quiet one person should quit correcting when 55 people you have to make this chaos in the show it's first when you're embarrassing him you're pushing embarrassing the person like just to say what I'm talking about some of those people they get I see certain people they're so um the the sure experience is so ingrained in them that sometimes it comes before God in other words like how things are supposed to be initial it's like it's like it's like if you looked at it from a toe wrote from a real you know sources Etc it's like their behavior comes before you know it's like that's what they want that's what they you know it's like almost like they worship right right right and I hear you and I want I want to just say a story a story to support that brief story it was 1945 and the previous celebrity had to say they're upstairs and there were some hasidium there like usual Rabbi Nissim Mendel who was a secretary to defeated was there too and he told over the story they invited a guest that wasn't there and didn't know you know how they conduct themselves really and he he dipped a piece of his matzah into either soup or whatever and the older hasidim of the rashabu there and they freaked out and it's in the rabbit's house and and the level and the rabbit free declare the previous level so there's a commotion he didn't know what the commotion is at the table so he asked what's the commotion so they were now in a bind you know they didn't want to really say because they're embarrassing but one of them you know maybe sat on like this you know what I'm saying he he told the freedom but that someone someone did shruya soaking right so the freezer cannot be said it's such a powerful story and a must a must remember story shruya is a mimic by some by some embarrassing a yeet that his face turns colors and you spilled his blood he's a deriser [Music] you understand and that's the same thing I'm saying that for what you said Maisha the Surah if if you bring a person you embarrass them it's the biggest Aveda it's it's it's out it's worse than anything else in show so I think this is a message that the this the shoulder abundance have to bring to people's attention I don't care what pedigree they come from chill out relax there's a rabbi here there's an outfit as a God by here just take it easy and I understand where they're coming from because I come from that place I grew up that way I understand it you only comes from that place you know it it growing up in these you know from communities and areas schul isn't it it is it is a very integral part of of being a man of being a person or being a youth you're going to show you're running to show you know everything is about and and all the fights are assured the Los Angeles it's like when you're home at home it's boring like what are you gonna fight with your wife but it's true two guys can get at each other you know on and on so so but not but it's wrong it's I mean it's wrong to embarrass anyone so don't give me your you know your shoe pedigree you know it's like I enjoy shoes that are nostalgic and still keep the old boards and chairs and tables that's my personal I love that well in Crown Heights where you had a lot of these shoes just as a hirosha lion they're gone they've been fixed up for example the archive show right in the old city I went there 20 25 years ago and still saw it the way it was from 500 years ago and I'll never forget that and I talk about it so for me it's it's a rich experience go there today you can hardly see anything you have to look through a glass to see the old war which they say LED down to a Mikvah but going to the shoe it's fixed up so to me it's lost its taste but for others who did it it didn't so who am I to go legislate how they should make their shoe but Hashem you know what I'm saying what I'm saying is that that you know I'm just supporting what you're saying so let's go back to the text because I do want to learn a little more so he says we'll be here like this so when it comes now look who is this it um when the first paragraph on fourth line my shanking conversely beneath my shame in the second situation situation when a person takes the attitude I don't want to deal and hear any intellectual argument and position this is exactly what you said Maisha against what I've been accustomed to from youth says and I told you this before um it's not coming from your pickle it's not coming from your military side it's coming from your ego side your guy's side I am not willing in any situation to agree that what you're presenting is truth even when there's great strong arguments that what I'm hearing is true the Dogma now ain't the muscle says what I'm telling you now isn't just a parable this is the very moral let's see what he says martial the fact that we were not persuaded by the proofs of shop taisley Mendelson or the arguments of Mendelson famous Kiefer maskeline and other Clifton because those things that they said also they did they will contrary to clear she lives that have been ruled in the in in the latest uh poskin and they agreed we don't take we don't accept what the rajba said we don't accept but this right we we disagree hello and see what what they did did you know this Governor what did they do they brought proofs and by the way from Lorraine I heard that I don't want to say who someone who a very famous lawyer I'll give you a hint I heard him use this argument about patrilineal descent I heard it on the radio about 15 20 years ago and later I found out he argued that according to the the shots and they were showing them a child is Jewish even if the mother isn't Jewish as long as the father's Jewish and he's clever and he came up with the arguments right it's only one problem we don't rule from Shots We Rule from the so he disregarded right so you can come up and be matama like we learned earlier you can find arguments to make kosher a creep and a creature that's Tommy why because in Shahs you find support for it well we don't rule from shots and we don't rule somebody Shining the ramban and the ritva and the Gomorrah are wonderful commentaries but they're not posting they're not authoritative authorities Etc then later so and so I was writing here I remember it's like now I was sitting here I said I don't believe this how he's you know and he was making good arguments the only problem is disagree with him and we go like that right let's continue okay that the Medina of 1948 the state of Israel it is it's in the gathers in the category of the beginning of the giula now this is a very hot contested issue might still be today but 1948 and this was a big issue amongst their abundance Israel that ever you know as well as others took the opinion God forbid it's great that we have a state emergency room we have a place to go know everything else and you have to bring people and and you know absolutely but don't tell me it's the beginning of Google he says if you look at the rambam this the rambam tells us how giula will be and the others wish the Sheep of golias when the goal issue when the Gatherings will be right so how can you tell me that we're still in golos and it's the beginning of so it's contrary to the ruling of the Ramba do like Yeshua did he really makes some stop someone's going to be able to do this and therefore it's going to contradict a certain that is found in the latest of the latest Israel that's been accepted by by the Jew by Eden such a person has a dent of a Macy's excuse me someone who seeks to convince and influence people on the wrong path of David a shame King let me just finish this Panic shake it but even done conversely in our case when we show a explicit and you say I see the dinosaur it's referring to the supper I see that as a dinner but nevertheless I don't want to do it the doctor why because hey Mercy Me myself this doesn't fit into my husqva of zealotry of kanois commercial Pavilions board like we were raised in Williamsburg this comes lame it's not taking foreign flag of kanois hey wait a minute the soccer flag of kanois is God in Australia it's a particular sheeta some so don't don't tell me but you know don't tell me that this is China this is you Williamsburg your group decided this is what you want to do claim it shall you say that's the foundation the foundational thinking of those that argue so it's not the title that they're using as their argument it's their group it's geyser my party it's my party so my party has to be this way Indian shell my flag up it's exactly the words I just used this is the concept of a party so we'll finish here for today but this is a very very important that we have to again we're reading this and learning is about this situation that happened so many 40 years ago Etc but I want you to understand it applies today in every situation has to be my party if it's not my party it's safe yes I remember you know according 770 and I had a purpose of the city in this year and when you were talking now and his talking it sounds like you know it was dead yeah you have something something rubbed off but Hashem something rubbed off I I try to keep him alive you know to talk things I share that I learned from him because he did so much yeah my just want to say that a number of years ago um Rubio came to she came to him I should have mentioned this earlier we came to our map of Jimmy's bed yeah this is going back um uh approximately let's say 2005 2006. approximately maybe 2004. okay [Music] um and he came and he he came he gave um it was in the vigilance Muncie shul we before they had finished the building right spoke he was he spoke like he must have spoken for like two hours with a little bit of a break in between the room was packed at she was there and uh people you you it was like standing room moment yeah yeah understanding the moon you know I'm just just sharing this yeah yeah he was it was a person that can explain well and you know he wasn't you know he was a ball Seiko you know saying everything was seho by the way he did that for 10 years in Belgium it's gonna be I wrote up the the report that from Brother shop from Belgium but he said that he he was invited to teach svasemus in the garage Depot in the garage and Abba Shalom from the visits in the business school in Belgium he says there were five six hundred people of each one and then he was from brain to four five six in the morning and he he said he was on the day as there were two little fish that you know from the community and one he overheard one say to the other I think we should stop teaching Gamora to our students and start teaching the vaccines foreign have a great day good you got me into learning and because uh whatever I was a little shaken up this morning with uh different uh different health issues but Hashem so yes and we'll see you tomorrow bye bye you should be well on me