Zionism #29- Are all Chareidim anti non-Chareidim? Communism, Zionism & Torahism...

a an artifact of the kind of a latent presuppositions of progressive thinking uh that came along with kind of Communism that that the uh the the communism spoke of the withering of the state in it and also whether also of religion and and I think that that was part of the atmosphere the cultural atmosphere of the 20th century intellectual atmosphere uh that uh that presupposed the idea that of progress and progress amend to the decline in decline in religion and religiosity so um so I I understand kind of the uh the the a lot of the Orthodox world's uh relationship to that is that's very fundamentally hostile there's no arguing with the presupposition uh that you know you're you're you're you're a relic you're an anachronism you just don't know it so when I came there to swallow and I was 18 you know a young man and I found that there was a sort of vibrant culture and and yet and and young people wanted to follow in the ways of their families in Orthodoxy and so on that was it could assure me right so so your point so my my point is is that and uh the um the the end of the 20th century sort of has made the background Assumption of of progress kind of a moot point nobody believes anymore in a sort of fundamental level in this idea that everything there is inevitable progress in human development and it's in secular society in secular society it's kind of gone so the the that that reflexive hostility that existed in much of the much of the secular world uh isn't isn't to my mind isn't the same as it was during this era that this was this was written and when they um uh and when the these early conflicts between the religious community and the Zionist Community were happening but I did want to say that in the Torah tidbits this past week because they're put out by the OU there's somebody who brings uh who bring who writes a column and he brings a lot from one of the first Adam Orem [Music] and he does use the lesson of gracious in his writings it I was kind of uh you know I was taken by that it it it it's really it's it's amazing you wouldn't believe that the biggest Rebels and the rabbis and then lit Fox and the Dylan they were all I um I told you he bought property but she said he was driving by then in havera in 1887 or 89. and and he didn't buy it because of Real Estate it was the wave of the culture so you're talking about the who's the last living grandchild of the Holy illusion of Israel of regime lived in Tel Aviv around the corner from my daughter I told you I went there to the gate now that unfortunately they're going to put up a building of a housing but it was his property and I divined over there and that you're talking about a big Sadiq you know but but but but you know it was it was um you know we've suffered so much 2 000 years that we we've suffered and suffered and suffered any glimpse of hope that resembles it's just you know what I'm saying and yeah it just you have to be compelling very compelling so you have to always think about that and then you know whether it's a sacramentov or the rashab or the other as we're learning said yes it it feels that way and and we need ours is it all and we have to work there and people should absolutely but it's not you know you know let's see this is the thing that when you learn is let's let's discern between having attitudinal and and the condition of energy and everything else and the nation is Google you know what I'm saying and and and and whatever not that the siately but didn't have the the mind not saying that but but still you know okay he passed I think he passed away in 49 so he was to see I I I'm I'm I'm speaking out loud thinking this is what he's thinking 47 you know 48 that he has a state 48. [Music] a year later you know he was probably already an old not a problem he was an old man he knew he's not living forever and he and so you know it's it's uh it's uh listen listen when the Frida Kadabra you know we have to be honest when the Frida could ever during the Holocaust he came out with a slogan right you guys I told you this La I'll tell you immediate truva will do immediate kahula the Bible just see them in Brooklyn believe that this is mashiach and they even pointed to him you know oh whatever do you think the crystal started in 1994. my friend a friend of mine told me he said everybody Simpson was the role of the Obama from 19 uh 29 on and any and any and he he passed away in 1977 I think anyway so um a few years later in the 80s I guess someone came running at the shoe and says where's that crazy rabbi he knew this he knew Robert Simpson from the 40s this individually probably lived in Pearl Park I know his roommate is not religious and and and he came running in his where's that crazy Rabbi so they said the rabbi passed away but why do you call him crazy and Robbie Simpson was a very quiet man he wasn't a raffle Rouser he really was a very big town but you know he says he believed that Rabbi snareson the previous rapper is the Messiah during the Holocaust you understand you know and as as Simpson wasn't Plastering but but you know I'm sure if you sat down around the table and he said look the previous rabbits could come made this campaign and he wants us to publicize this obviously there's something in the air so you know everyone you know and and even even I don't know today but 1992-94 the years of the river right the rapper's language from him when his wife passed away in 98 rabbits in Kaya bushka till 92 when he had a stroke the fabrangians changed the immediacy of mashiach was was everything bringing it was like you ask any symmetrics and the people who wrote down his talks of Yoyo you know he's not here any longer but I'm saying there was a there was a sense of immediacy in those four years 98 uh sorry um 88 to 92. so it's not it's not a wonder why out of your Khan and others who later said hey we made a mistake but he's telling you we made a mistake but when they they came to that conclusion it makes sense so whether it's the original that you mentioned I'm sorry the husatnia that you mentioned or or liberatures of 90 of 1990 it's the same idea you know the Bible some might not like to agree to that and but if you think about it sitting back objective it's the same idea and the same idea is going on now and that's why every hearing something happens you know covet the terrible the pandemic of covet there were people who are saying this is a sign of mashiach in other words because we're Believers because even our Believers and we we want an end to this goals we latch out to things and that that's that's so I understand where where it's coming from I understand where it's coming from and the discussion that we're learning is how to deal with it if it when you come to the conclusion it isn't yet Mercia it isn't how do you deal with it so there's a software approach or as moisha says the approach and then there is um approach by the way my but honey is a is a large word you know and today today maybe maybe when you came there to strolling hard enough and that culture was that way you know I don't know it seems to be to me that the haredi world outside of you know mayor Sharma you know a few other pajamas down there you know I don't think that there is this you know um there might still be a feeling is Hey look you know these people are gonna they're going to you learn from them your kids are going to learn from them they're gonna not be as religious they'll go to the Army I would think that that still exists you know but the the hatred towards such people I think by many has dissipated and one of the reasons is some of their kids went to the Army and they're so much after their issues and there's suicide you know everything that we have today believe me it makes an impact it does make an impact and we have cameras and we have the internet so what it used to be if you don't like this Kebab the giving of her bring it in a hurray the area you beat him up or you could flattens his tires you do that now you're going to jail because we got cameras you know again and this is an ongoing issue so you know to say that it completely stopped no it didn't there's always the pressure oh we're gonna you know what let's say the Gary you know this whole thing of believe me it's gonna dissipate because you can't get away with the nourish guy you know because yeah maybe some get away but one's gonna get caught and one's gonna sit in jail and one's gonna have issues and pay large fines they think about it twice um that's it anyway good discussion we'll see everyone tomorrow have a great day Shalom bye bye fresh mechanical everyone