Zionism #26- Baal Teshuva Movement is stronger than ever - Difference between 2 Satmar Rebbes

the youthless kiss live because when the altered when the outer ever was released from jail he went to what he thought was his khasid Rabbi murkhai of lechland City Lapland and the building that where this cross had lived Hashem in his infinite humor made another Martin live in that building now I guess you know if you have if you're not called by your last name you're called by the name of your city you know Hillel from Baltimore moisture from Chicago there must be a thousand militias from Chicago so it's not distant to end up in a building with two marshes of Chicago well that's exactly what happened to the outlet and he ended up in the building and he went to a house of mortgage left but this might have left was a very big snagit and uh you know he had all kinds of questions on the alter episode and he berated the outlet in other words from what I heard it didn't berate him you know uh you know like like a boar he berated him in Hawaii didn't have what to answer but the the Dalton episode for 200 years it's like it's hard to imagine it was a made-up story otherwise we wouldn't celebrate today that that the three hours that is spent in the house of a miracle level were worse than his 53 days in jail and he finally left the house on Huff today and last night out of her bringing um the Bible to ask me you know how do you understand that story and I set them I think it's pretty simple it's very simple the alternative the 53 days that he was in prison yes the sibo who who put him in prison who got who who were who libled against him were the snagged him but at the end of the day who who conducted the activities in the prison guardian angels not just don't have true Free Will and many other things so in other words that was expected but when it came to the house about Colette play it with a beard and paste and everything else you would think you'd give them all from a cup of tea sit down relax you were 53 days in this in this jungle and and you finally out but Hashem and he would let him rest and be nice and be well he mommy should be rates him with the with the questions on what he's doing because he was a Snogging and he thought that was a closet so those three days from the perspective of the spiritual Revolution that was taking place Utah it was worse I I I I don't believe the altarama meant that the three hours sitting there was worse than sitting with the low lives and in the in the prison okay you know what I'm saying it's not I think even that I've explained this once that's not my kiddish that it's it's not about the the goshness and the material situation of the Alton ever being in a home in a living room in an apartment building versus being in a jail that's not what it's about it's about whether the other of hasidis penetrated or it penetrated even those from the Eden that opposed Sid this and that's a lot more harder and I don't have to tell you that but not so much of the chemist I think I I don't know but but you know to get a from Jew to who's not you know raised with cities or has an ax to grind against us it is as I'm sure everyone here has experienced to change their opinion that's a lot harder you leave that situation or you transform that situation the Sim has greater I think that is the explanation why this day of Huff is celebrated as part of the Utah's Kiss Live and therefore we don't say that's one thing number two today was the first time that Tanya uh was was printed and that was Tanya came as as one safer It came it came from the from the printers and huff kisler not on your tests in the year a tough koof noon Zion which is 18 19 1796. 1796 uh Huff kiss live so uh I don't recall you know the rep spoke every year it could be that there's a connection between the the printing of the the release of the Tanya for the first time and the huffcast on Huff kisler as a cell as a celebration for for this and therefore um also not the saint of so those are the two in the cutest that are today but uh we go back to our countries we have to continue over here on the path of of Discovery and we're on page test Zion and of your Khan the author of this uh safer writes about a an argument that the that the the satmar and others accuse khabad and they say that we don't find in the previous generations Outreach so it's not the Messiah it's a novelty and your own rabbit the river Rashad doesn't speak about going to the streets of Moscow or Leningrad or wherever else a cave and putting on filling with you so where do you where do you love babatures where do you remember get this idea this is this is what what was the argument that abuel said it he refuted that he said of course not because at that time you would be persecuted if you did that but the times have changed and now we live in a free world that you can go to the streets of anywhere and and and and and and do Outreach and therefore the comparison is not a comparison that's what we learned last time now we're on page test Zion the the last paragraph says the same things is in our situation foreign and the this is referring to uh the Ramba where it says at at what period at what time will there be certain liberation Liberation when the hands of Eden will be will have the upper hand in the parenthesis this means that the government the United States government you know he's talking here too in Brooklyn New York so that's why it refers to artists will give permission to the the rabbis and the the repeated judges so just what is this Council of the four countries what is this referring to this referring to in Poland from 15 20 or so to 1764 the different you know dates given but almost 200 years to 180 years whatever the case the Polish government allowed a council to be set up of Eden and there was an actual contract contract made I believe that they should collect the taxes from the from the Eden in Poland and give it to the government and this gave the the the the Divide this Committee of of the arba Russells it wasn't just Poland I guess it was you know four countries around there it gave them tremendous kayak that they were able to on one hand negotiate and and and be seen in a positive light to the Polish government and at the same time they had control over the Jews as far as paying taxes and other such things so Bureau says that if the government the American government will give the Jewish people the rabbis and the repeating judges Etc um Power similar to the power that was given to the vad arbor russos a you know 400 years or 500 years earlier he number five thy best in years then the best then who was given Power by the government would Implement what you need to do and you need to do mistress and if you don't the mistress you get a clop you get a map you get a patch IPS you beat him till he he expires the other the other yeah okay one sec that would be the scenario if we were given that permission Jewish people did not have the upper hand they also government they never did forced people to do mistress how do you have the audacity to do something that our ancestors never imagined and regarding your argument next page chicane easily that this is an open section piece of talmatics first India this was it would say what are you hacking a Chinese expression are those what what are you saying with like you know you you you're you're splitting hairs of nonsense analytical analysis analysis that is so so uh erroneous you know but because you have a good cup a good head you're able to use your your your your wit your wit your sharp mind to to Draya cup three a cup means to you know confuse the head to mess with the head you know to make it cuckoo London chapter 3 was also big scholar of London on the way London and this is all the argument of the settler and we only have our ancestors we call it also may not tell you to refer him back to some say for anything that's new a novel is forbidden minute and the fact that you bring the good murder how to call I pray for him um the same thing we're just repeating it hey he says all scoffers and all deniers over the generations they were Scholars they will tell me to come and they brought riots from the gamonas just for a moment this points to a greater issue and that is and we discussed it but it's worth mentioning again how do you know if a rabbi a rough a rabbit I've got whatever whatever whatever title you you respect is telling you something that is right or you have to listen to it's my God my ribbon and the answer is is it against the title if it's against the Tita then you don't have to listen and I'm sorry not acceptable if it's not against the data then absolutely now of course yes sirs is thinking and I'm and I'm thinking that we're all thinking this well how do you know that's the problem the problem is not the black and white problem is the Great right well Boniface um Hashem has given us a cup right we just started Target yesterday you see this cup and if you if if you use your cup you can discern I'm not gonna say always but you can very much discern what's right and what's wrong and when something seems wrong you're allowed to ask you're allowed to say like I said Rabbi how do you know what's your source and it's not Hotspur and if the rabbi or the Gabby or the shmabai tells you find yourself another shul another Rabbi it's ridiculous bring me proof that this is an acceptable thing or not acceptable so it's it's you know and I'll tell you growing up with the rabbit all these years and an abuel as his ex you know the one who expound this data I I was taught and and I see every day more and more as I get older and I learned and I'm more I see that it's all taina now tedever just in chapter 41 when he speaks about him he says it's a certain line near Tanya and if you'll ask us a question when we learned this this year why does that have to say about marriage of course the Torah says he should have either of Shame who else is saying it how to Pope John I mean come on it's about Tito Menace of course the title is saying it so if you ever explained to us saying that that itself that you should have either shamayam is only because of Torah not because it feels good and that's a and that's a very very sensitive issue you know it goes from feel good Judaism then to our own feel good doctor never says no yes you know why you need to have beautiful mind because the Titus says so not because you understand to respect your parents respect your rabbis that's all very nice feelings and and and and and why and why why why is it why aren't feelings of good genuine feelings of respect and decency mental kaitas we've discussed adequate because that doesn't lead necessarily to an observant lifestyle of title and mitzvahs there's plenty of very fine Eden who were flying and dandy and great that they're not keeping Tatum mixes why because they don't find that necessary component so you have to always go back to the hotel Jimenez if you're doing it because of potato you're gonna be a match and if you're not a mans you're not doing it because of Toyota you're doing it because of yourself because you're an animal because you're you're grub because you're not refined so the Taylor Mattis is so important so I say this because we learned you know it says that you know they they they the Sakura saying here you're you're being Muhammad you're coming up with that we never saw by our ancestors so the answer is if it's within Theta and if we would have the control and ability today to implement what the title wants of us it would be implemented because that's what the Toyota says and um you know as I said when when you when you when you sit back and you and you think logically and you analyze a situation you can you can discern s what's half was Etc you can within every custody with every Movement we can get a Skype and every every day every mahalak every approach yes and guess what we have it all anyone who thinks that they in their community in their show and their hasidis they don't and their group they don't have each of the three things is making a mistake you know like I always say if you can't accept The Good the Bad and the Ugly of a group you don't belong there if you expect the group whatever group you join whatever shoe you're join whatever to have only good uh you're making a big mistake it's good there's bad is ugly now when I say accept I mean to say that's it I mean you know there was a plethora of information the last two days on on Chabad websites about YouTube and this it's wonderful to see well the Clincher was last night and you know my friends and I we have a chat a group uh chat that we you know over there we could we can talk the way we smoking Yeshiva 40 years ago 50 years ago uh because we understand each other you know like the fraternity Brothers right anyway so so last night I saw a magazine called Bane the Bane and after the word the Bane as words is the term for Twilight and over the years it's become a phenomenon that before Shabbos comes in you drink and you call it you do it when you're not let us drink once my room starts so you drink Twilight time before the heave of Kiddush it's called banish mussels nope yesterday I would never believe it but some chabadniks put out the first volume of the Bane and it's men talking about men's issues as people now it could be that the content itself has value and you know I haven't studied I didn't see it I just saw it online but for you to skis lift to be about the Bane is from where I come from as far as it could be and this is the world we live in that's the world and this is part of the world of Chabad today so you can have uh uh label Shapiro came from Florida to to to to to to to inspire and meet with the dailymary very very nice but guess what my friends that's only one part of the Jewish world the Chabad world there's so much more going on and everything together is interesting so now what do you do you say well if this is what how bad is I'm checking out and you have to understand from where I come from this is this is antithetical to Chabad this is vulgar disgusting to make your task into a bane but on the other hand this is where people are at some people this is where they're at and you can either exclude them and alienate them or or you can include them somehow and this is a tough job it's a tough job to balance real authentic genuine Cities Live and the modernity of the world as it as it's rapidly developing from the gender issues creeping into the best of our families the best of our shoes and the rabbi and guy by won't know any longer it doesn't know any longer who is a male and who's a female that's that's the sad fact of the world that's that's on the ground today so I want to end up thinking to myself like my gosh look where we've reached this you just guess the announcement of a new magazine Bane on the other hand be happy that they're celebrating it's a schizoph and be happy that they're talking about issues that confront them and with a good mashpia and a good Rabbi and a good rev and a good Gabba and a good friend and like I told you the fabrina that I went to the one of the fabrings that I was invited to the other night here there was a group of guys with the hookah the same the the same type of pain these are the pain guys and instead of criticizing them and coming down on them I said a story I told you and I signed a nigging and and and I saw that that their heart wants so this is what we're dealing with today this is what we're dealing with just is pointing out that fight you know the fact that things were not done before is because the world wasn't ready the the the Nations weren't ready but today outrage is so popular and that brings me to another you know the current events at a time it's it's good to talk about them a little bit because you know for all of us to have the broad knowledge so I came across another article yesterday I sent it to my buddies is a rabbi either in Pittsburgh or somewhere he comes from a long line of rabbis really uh you know so he wrote that the bound children's movement is dead and and he and he made a very very strong argument and one of the arguments he says and he he loves khabar he said I'll give you an example there were six thousand and at the at the Kenneth right and this year how many were there when I was a schlier in California in 1985 80 to 100 that's it and it wasn't an international Guinness and it was you know it was very much more intimate I've told you that too right so he says if you take a look at the comparison who made more balichuva the 80 to 100 versus the 6 000. is like us yamaka beard families that's what he means is that he's not talking about putting on film and eating in a mezuzah so he says if you want to talk about hardcore chuva Bali chuva of the 60s and 70s and and and and and 80s to some degree he says that's over finish Asia Torres or samayak um uh this is take a look and you'll see that they're basically catering now to regular boys and girls who need some help if they can't make in the regular yeshivas and that's and they're in this problems is that way that's my understanding but you're not 20 years ago 50 years ago were all college students non-religious who came to experience give this guide I think that that part of the program really has enough closed completely but it's less and and today it's you know become more of a high school post high school program gavaldik beautiful so so times have changed you know I'm not talking about even the you know the the the 67 68 after the the war where there was truth in the air and then people were hey you know from Haight Ashbury they went to to the kaisal you know they it was it was it was it was unbelievable I mean I wish I was born and then around but I was a young boy that time I one of my dreams if I would have been older and lived you know it would have been like heaven you know meeting all these guys because I had a little taste of Mars down to 78 79 80 with Bali chuva with with you know with with the Cuckoos and and these guys were Geniuses and we had a Nazir and and it was flying and I just enjoyed talking to them and the dialoguing and arguing and for bringing and it was it was great it was it was really really it was it was happening you know so I got the tail end the little bit I got you know yes yeah just comment on that uh be careful what you wish carpet they say like what they say about Woodstock if you could remember you weren't there weren't there yes [Music] there's no question that times right now season I like the 70s I mean I remember when I when I went to Chappelle's when I first started Chappelle's from them in um fall of 1995 they said that uh they said okay today things are a little different they said when we first started the Yeshiva it's in 1978 they would sit down with someone who came in and they would say okay um you know how how long do you plan on staying here and the and this and the young person said um as long as it takes like I'm here as long as it takes and I remember that they said that today I was in 1995 things aren't like that you know things aren't like that anymore they said that that people were coming in with a little more time constraints there were some in-between programs like university studies over there's no question that times have changed from then but with all due respect foreign there's no question that they're also have a need to create programs to cater to let's say immediately post High School Youth and that like you said but there's still plenty of people coming in who are the valley truva so I'm not sure I don't know what to say that about to say that about children movement is dead I don't know I I find that um difficult to accept okay I'm not sure I just was sharing I'm not uh you know I I'm not there I'm in a different world yes yes sir you want to say something there's a lot going on in college campuses now I mean I know that I was involved with rjx um I think that there's there's almost a different flavor than it was back in our generation in the 80s it was before the impact Millennial descent and and there's so many conversions and things like that nowadays the programs on campuses they have to worry about the beginning right um you know there's so many people that think that they're in and they're not yeah and and that takes up an enormous amount of energy kind of dealing with that weeding them out directing those people in the record on the right path it's it's interesting it's definitely a different scene right the the um the Chabad on campus which has grown into you know like 300 campuses and is a major Force I I know some of the people on the board and I talked to them and learn with them so so so they told me that uh the number one thing and it's coming from the shlochen on campuses is just to get them to to commit to marrying a Jew they have nothing there's no other expectations not Yeshiva and it says if we can just get them to marry a Jew to come to a point where they just commit to a Jew we've done our job that's that's the situation yeah look um because the person they may be dating may come across as a Jew maybe not yeah it's it's a whole other yeah I know believe me I've had my experiences that and and and it's it's a complicated issue uh but but but Maisha going back to you I I I I I I I focused on one point of Republica not and and I think I thought I made myself clear he's what he was saying about one the other nakedness I agree with you but then a quarter that 680 Chabad rabbis made more Bali children meaning not eating chicken soup and committing to a Jew that's a different scenario he's saying that that the Ash and everyone else made more of those balichuba 60s 70 80s you know maybe 90s too then then now that that that and and you know if you're telling me that that's a factually wrong okay but I don't know it's it it seems that way and what you said before that I'm not I'm not saying that that I'm not saying that that's wrong I can't hear that point that's that's the point that I was focusing on no I was just saying that say that about culture movement is dead right okay now yeah but the article right right the time the title sensationalistic you know but but what he meant is this this I know that there's a lot there's always discussion every year but the kid has come about this issue you know and and um I don't know it seems like the consensus is that you know um look I went to several Utah schisms okay last night Simon Jacobson Yoshi's brother was here in Boca so I went over there whatever you know I didn't go for that I went for my books whatever he's talking to 150 people and it's it's not you This Kiss Live it's it's a nice talk about being Jewish and and a little bit of story here there but that's the crowd that he's talking to you know either we're about 20 about 30 40 habotniks with kapatas okay you guys happen to come but you know I I have all these other people here that the rabbi wants me to to include so so you know it's it's it's not being it's one it's it's watering it down no question about it but you know there's there's a situation on the ground that that one has to deal with so you know and what they usually do is after the formal part of the fabrangian the speaker and the guys who are more serious sit down and they say look how I am and they sing the good name and they talk about you know things and at the end though so it has to do with every Rabbi and every speaker and every you know uh you know every nook Weinberg you know had a certain approach I'm not sure that the approach of the new Administration she's the same as his and it's this way it's about to the river when he was speaking and and and leaving said what he said and the rabbit wasn't oh a gift from Russia you know now there ever passed away it's 28 29 years and there's a lot of night good people in there but everyone has their song You Know It And the same as in every in every hasidus you know you talk about the tone there ever you talk about um the the the the bus in the red but you know they are they are they look at the situation and and they have to you know that they have to they want to include and that sometimes warrants another another style to to keep people in and and those that remain with the old kind of rigidity you know if they have enough people like soccer and Williamsburg no problem but soccer I'm curious Joel he's he according to the guys in Williamsburg is deviated he's more open to Chabad what how can you sit and go to they are zionists and meanwhile Rabbi dead Obama Palm Springs hosts him for three weeks they built him a shoe they come there they bring in refrigerators of food I told you that last year right I'm waiting for this year's update for my friend but he oh he's modern he's giving a little opening it's not just about and other things so the guys the sacraments in Williamsburg of the other red because his two brothers as you know call them like call for him wow where do you get the husband to give any room to anyone that supports Zionism and again as they think we support Zionism so within yes hello actually don't understand s and and Williamsburg and the others in curiosciel but how an approaches similar or different or similar but different meaning like I say in other words what one does the other one no but but no but but the opposite of each other no but but he was like if in the beginning for years there was bad blood and and you know and you know and it's not the bike they themselves their people and it was fighting it was it wasn't pretty but it's calmed down each one has ten twenty thousand I said them and yeshivas and the initials and each one has a maluka so it's really calmed down but in shito cheetah there's a difference at the one from Williamsburg adheres to the rebelish the one who we're talking about here and his his his uh you know living hungry and Europe in the streets of Brooklyn and no compromise none at all you know you're right that's what he says except for a little English in the school you know when he decides it's acceptable it's acceptable but outwardly you know with everything the other one outwardly Hillel will look the same to you you're going to curious Young is it but in shita he's a little more open I gave you the one Dogma the one example that he's more open to to Chabad you know he'll meet with Chabad rabbis and he'll go to her Palms he's more he's more open than and it could even be in a shita with Eric's throw you know and I don't know how it could be he's even a little he he doesn't talk or say as much you know he he allowed breast lift there's five or six breast liver steepler interior I've heard that yeah and and and and and in Williamsburg you know uh I don't think it would go doesn't have you know I know I know people chabaddicks uh soccer became the babbages and others in Williamsburg and I said the friends of mine said why don't you open a little steeple he says they would they would attack us and we tried and they and they and they and they made problems for the people coming who are rappies and divisions yeshiv and this is even you lose your job just like the Dara doing the same type of you know scare tactics so they never opened the steeple in Williamsburg I just asked my friend a week ago this question I said why don't you guys you know why you all clandestine and hiding I mean it's not 2023 their cameras and anyone does touches you they're gonna be end up in jail or be you know in trouble what are you scared of he says it's it's that they just make all kinds of Sorrows for us and and and and we are not strong enough and to to fight them and so we capitulate so so that's the mentality in Williamsburg but not the mentality curacaoil now in curios yoyo he also told me there was a certain rap I forget his name he was very charismatic Aussie and a very impressive oriented and he started to pull away people oh he called him into who's the you know the king over there and he says you have to stop or move out you know so when it touches his belly then he opens his mouth yeah you understand but that's a different that's a different that's because you know kind of I'm sensing rebellion in my own party right that I'm not gonna allow you know so all of these things but the essence are if you want to have and I'm convinced if I wanted to open up a box Depot in in in kyoceroyo I would be he would give me my blessing as long as but he would say you I'm sure you'll say you want to teach Tanya want to teach to this no problem but I want to know about it you understand he wants to be in control and if if at any point he'll feel the kind of his main people are rebelling against him it'll stop me you know but as as long as it's within his view of of what's acceptable open a steeple and that's why it's five six deep look but this one other guy who's so creative it's it and he started to kind of pull away people from him see these breasts live asleep like when I was and I was there the supper they're wearing the white socks you know and they're they're fully garbage summer and it's not been set that up they've convinced themselves accepted that I'm not but he doesn't mind nothing and all that stuff right no problem so as long as it doesn't contradict the the sacrament view of things is fine with it but but the guy in Williamsburg I I I I can't I can't see it even though they said that recently there was a five years ago whatever there was a a billboard about bresler there so you know it it's it's they're more more Vigilant they're more vigilant have a good conversation live everyone should have only brothers and again the the balatanian who we learned from and and and respect today in today's still his celebration day and what he gave the yiddisha world 200 years ago 200 plus years ago still still you know with everything that we've discussed and with all the issues Moshe was telling you about some of the fabrangers he went through an artist's Road you know she lying there and then then you know eating a gathering together and eating a growing and um as I said today a lot of the opposition to Citizen General and Chabad has has has lessened they'll say it that way has lessened and and um people are are open to learning cities that's the bottom line the bottom line is to learn cities you want to learn the The crucial slavey you want to learn Stephen you want to lose learn whatever he wanted to just learn to say this because your little cities you're learning about symptoms that's all that's all and that's what the rabbit wanted yes my but also just what was brought up in today and this year yeah you know um Monday night I had to go into shalim and I wanted to stop my opinion right right multi-day yeah program is happening um and I just have to say like you know the energy that's there it's just unbelievable and and the active sits there the different types of people that are there it's it's just it's unbelievable it's just unbelievable and that's the way it's supposed to be that's the that's the tight away yeah yeah yeah to keep us through God to keep us through God with the Custard with this fight outside sir and this year people were asking me people and they should go there's different people who wouldn't have expected they they asked me oh they asked me about it the hours this that so I just want to say like it's true name it could be true that uh one might look at certain types of speakers certain types of events and you might think that things are being watered down but I don't know I I the number of people that are being reached right now who are interested who would never attend 15 years ago five years ago would not have set foot in some sort of a acidic you know Kebab get this kiss love type event you know but now they are I think there's something special about it absolutely I I I agree I agree um it's just that last night I just thought as I just was I I had to we had to leave after why when I spoke okay he spoke for a long time and we had to leave because our car was in a certain parking garage if we didn't get there by 11 o'clock they were going to close the gates right because I have a choice I had to leave because I was walking out one of the schluchen said to me she was happening to be a woman she was standing like in the nearby she said oh you can't live now we're gonna start singing I'm not nervous Negan like she was like upset she was you know is she like even to me that I was like leaving you know and at the point I'm getting that is I'm sure that after this huge crowd left after Iowa was done speaking I'm sure plenty of people were going to stay staying you know in like good good very good very good thank you today we'll see everyone tomorrow bye bye