Zionism #19- Feelings don't determine whether or not Redemption started - Legitimate Opinions

so um the date everyone with their name he get his base page Zion and here in this section of the letter bio deals with the belief of the Mizrahi and the akuda that in one way or the other started either it's the actual beginning code is he says they are good they referred to it at the time as a scout to Dear Scout at the beginning of the beginning or another word they used and he says that this is uh clearly against the rambam and therefore the it's considered from the right from the perspective of the rambam as he and the rebel and see it as um and I explained at the end of this year why it's Kavita and I don't know it was a little rush I just repeated briefly because it's very important when you you know when we hear people say it's krita so flippantly it reminds me of my neighbors and you know in Williamsburg or your neighbors and and um it used to be on the uh mayor serum but now you have it also in ramadanus down the road where they're quick to say you're a kaifer you're a heretic why because you don't agree with my shita whatever that sheet is in particular kanoi is you know being uh Zealot and standing up for the title Therefore your kaifer and Abigail here who is like the epitome of Chabad the philosophy and the master Mastery of Chabad hasidus he used the words krita gamuta so to when I when I read this when I learned this it stands out and it begs interpretation or clarification better said so I clarified yesterday why is it because the 13 principles of faith one of them is to believe in a mashiach and one of them is to believe in Christian so come he take for example if someone comes along and says amazing is not going to happen because of shalom it's not true resurrection of the Dead is it's false according to the 13 principles every Jew who prays every day and says the 13 principles or even if they don't say it like it's not our accustomed to say it but we we know about it and we believe in it we say that's a cliffer that's that's a heretic that's clear because if you deny one of the 13 principles then it's clearer serbiao says that according to the rambam it's the same fira If you deny the rambam's understanding of the Torah that there's a process to mashiach's coming and mashiach will come and then there'll be the Binya base amigdash and only afterwards will be keep us going as the Gathering of in gathering of the Exiles of the of the people throughout the world bring them back territory what what a design is saying including the religious Zionist no they're saying what that the fact that Eden came from all over the world at 48 to particularly 67 and there was in this constantinalia that saw the process that's included in escalated because it's the in gathering of the goalies keep it golius says it's against the number and if it's against it now as I said yesterday because we need to be honest the forthright that this thousands and thousands of eating the hundreds of thousands of heathens who disagree and to follow the sheet of cook Etc that it's not Freedom why because him say otherwise and we don't pass in like the number and I've told you that over and over I just want to make it clear but anyone that that that does agree that since the rambam is the only the only god of fire the only halachis who who speaks about the laws of mashiach and no later commentator in authority disagreed and wrote against the rambam so therefore we accept the words of the rambam as the final word on these issues and the rambam says that keep us golias comes after being so the according to the rambam he would turn around and say to RAF cook rough cook where is the base of how does cook will explain it I I assume that it's been discussed and written about at length in RAF cook and in his town medium swarm I I you know regretfully I I I'm not a buck in those farm at all I I should sometime would like to delve into them to just have a broader understanding but this is a question that you can ask people that you know who are of cook shita how would they address the numbers I think that they would tell you very simply we don't we don't accept it on them as the place and just as the rambam has his opinion the Komodo has its opinion and and and and and and the and the method has its opinion and we could follow those opinions I I believe that's what they would say yes sir you have something to add to this I think there may be a simpler uh answer which is that all processes have a beginning and an end we have so smart does that mean that you have to finish the entire Krishna by that time or that you have to start the creation by that time so when you talk about he looks golios it could be we certainly do not have the total in gathering of everybody or you could say even the majority if you count the the Lost uh the Lost tribes and those people who are still logically Jewish and they don't know they're Jewish and we don't know they're Jewish and nobody knows that they're Jewish so what we consider to be a couple of Keepers gulios may be a very small fraction of the actual which will not happen until there's a basement however there are people who are gathering here now okay and that's and then we don't have a basement okay and what's the basement then everybody else is going to come and that will be the conclusion of the process I don't see it as stir up but wait but you did in everything you said you did you either didn't hear what I'm saying or or you I didn't understand you wait you're saying that says golias happens after being in base I make this Jews living there you could live in Texas Road that's not that's not keep us golias keep no I'm not I'm not wait a minute I'm not arguing to me that rambam's not arguing that keep us goalies means every single Jew from all over I'm not nod that I agree with you I'm putting the emphasis is being your base amigdus where is the base of Indus where is the building of Base Amigos so then if you don't have then the next stage then it can't begin rights being in based up make this comes first so you have to start playing around with what the rambam says so how how what you said uh re refutes what I said so that doesn't thank you that's all and that's the point I brought him one second that's the Boyle's Point here which is not only his the represent and others and that's why I said you know you guys you know you're over there you know those people who are strong enough cook Nicks ask them this question I'd like to hear what's what's their answer I think their answer is going to be we don't file that I'm Batman with the mother and the Madras and everything's fine but but I would like to know that that that's that's a question I have because I can't imagine enough cook I I you know he just dismissed that Amber you know first of all he was a half-lit lit facts are very strong and the rambam you're up high and brisket you know what I'm saying that I'm bummed by the priscus is everything sort of cook wasn't a prisker but nevertheless so it'll be interesting to see how the the the the the Marcus arrive people and their abundant in fact you know I'm gonna do I'm going to send a email to Shem to rev Madness with our Shiva there's my my shriggers he's my mother-in-law's uh stepbrother so we have you know we have a relationship so I'm gonna ask him this and I bet he's gonna have what to say now avron what did you want to say please I would say that how do we Define what this current situation is is real now but so many people make another year it's a wonderful thing but it's it's not calorically the status of living in Los Angeles feels different of course but it is going it's just less goldness you know what a classic once told me I've run feeling is is is is is Nick can moose or the way we would say in Yeshiva when we took a little mask feeling as a stomachache you we feel and and please forgive me if I if I sound dismissive and and I do sound dismissive that's not what I mean what I mean to say is just because it feels good and not only and I'm gonna say more it is good listen you don't have to tell me I would love to be in there to throw when I walk the streets I've told you sometimes I start jumping from singing I I know what what the stones of yerushalayim are but nevertheless it still goes it still goes I'm sorry so you're saying Los Angeles is a greater gulless guess what some people say otherwise I met a Jew this morning in shul who are born hungry raised natural has lived in Detroit now for the last 40 to 50 years so I said his wife now passed away a few years ago from coverts I said no are you going to go back there to Thrill now he looks at me says you know I just was there for three months I tried it it's not for me he's saying without saying it that living Detroit is less ghost than living in that stroke I'm not saying he's right but I'm just telling you what's you what's for you of rum more and more less goals for someone else can be just the opposite and and and I and anyone he all of you who've come from America or other places to to Eric's row of course it will look just like for me but but but let's not let's not make a mistake that that until now and Hello by it changes and even if it changes there's no right within government with with and the other guy and everything that they want to do to bring in more Tata and me will change and no buses or Shabbos everything which I'm not sure what's going to happen so quickly still not kiola still not you the people are dying there is death there's it's not the rambam says well we have a mashiach who will then lead us in the building the base amigdash that's and it's a supernatural experience so what was said what you're having now and so yesterday we discussed well and I said you keep us gullies well keep us going says it's a miracle I'm asking it's a miracle Jews are killed in Russia killed in Ukraine killed all over oppressed pogroms why shouldn't they run to a place where they have a safe haven is that called a miracle or it's called a very logical thought out decision let's get away from our haters let's leave them and just go to a place where we can have relatively relative peace yes a couple comments first of all um I completely uh appreciate our albums where I was coming from Alvin and I have spoken about this welcome back I'm sure um but I want to say that um I was uh about two three weeks ago I took my wife um in the middle of the week we decided to take some time off but we took her to Tel Aviv we could walk along the along the boardwalk and and just spend some time and I have to say that um sometimes it could be in certain places and there's a stroller and it could be challenging the school that could be challenging I've been dolphin knows it's just your children are Sleepless there in the middle of Tel Aviv the Tel Aviv certain parts of Television could be challenging can be challenging to be there and to fall listen to remember that urinary control but this is also Erica strong so I just that's just one element in other words you know depending where you are but I want to bring up issue which is and I don't know sources I don't know details but my understanding is that um that the moment that the majority of the Jewish people the majority of amiso lives within Eric's Israel that there are certain elements of halafah that change could be things relating to shemitah and I know that I don't think we're quite there yet but my understanding is that we're getting close that approximately half of clients almost half of cholesterol is living in there it's a strong enough right so I'm just I was Raising as an issue I don't know if it has any well I I yeah eat that does not equal just like I told you yesterday when the debit told the chabotniks to leave yerushalayim 1968 Arab pesach because after The Six Day War it seemed like we'll have control of the heart of bias and therefore even a carbon pesach let's say that would have continued until today did does it mean that there's absolutely not terms you're obligated to bring a carpet that evidence say that there being a human Paris who he relied on for the sack said he should start building the basement he never said that because maybe him doesn't say it because no one would say it that comes with mashiach but simultaneously if I look ugly you're bound to bring a carbon bring your carbon and at least get out of yerusha lion so you won't be obligated so do I say moisture to you that these are lockers which I'm not a book in them and you know thank you for bringing it up I do want to discuss it and ask some people what and if what you're saying is the case and if anyone knows you should tell me but even if that's the case my it doesn't equal so that's the thing though that we have to keep in mind you have rum glad you brought up your your question and your point and and I understand I understand where you're coming from but but you have to put aside feelings that's all I meant to say feelings are gevaldic but feelings don't equal halacha as soon as we accept feelings equal Allah we're in big trouble all of us you know why I feel this way you feel this way he or she feel this way and we make a big chunk and we create Mr Goss and you know what I'm talking about okay Mr Goss everyone says I feel this way this is Yiddish Guy this is Taylor the other one says no I feel this way this is tell you about so we have either this kind of feeling that's terrible and that's the beauty of this letter that we're learning that you'll see it of yayo is you know it's never it's inevitable that a person doesn't Express his feelings in between the lines I always say that about my writing that's on human nature but nevertheless look how he he sticks to text and sources and citations and and as much as humanly possible he presents the way he and that ever see the terrorist View and and and and therefore what I've cooked I'm sure presents his toy review and that's why it's a legitimate this it's a legitimate disagreement but but avram neither rough cook and neither and the Reba neither the the two sides are basing their decisions on feelings that's not a Jewish that's not a terrible way she just and that you have to really Bang into your head the rest of your life and transmitted to your children and grandchildren because otherwise and this is what we have it's exactly what's happening now you know I turn on the 8 20 um with NPR I have been three two minutes turn it off the liberalism of accepting all of the new you know gender issues and all that is just disgusting and they put on kids they don't let me decide my gender how's terrible about 13 years old I understand that the child has an issue it it okay we have to deal with it but don't go and change Humanity that a male and a female are in a marriage not other you understand so I I have sympathy on on a child a teenager that has certain leanings you know and and it has to be dealt with him but but that doesn't create the reality the reality is tighter the reality is Humanity for goyam non-jews if you civility Law and Order now we have an issue we have a problem so we have a court system yes and and you guys and we have Republicans and Democrats and this and vote and then voting and that's that's a system and if you're outvoted then then you know you're outvoted so either leave that country but whatever but but I'm saying is that from the tighter perspective Taylor is the objective not the way I feel and you feel that's good for if I bring in from a level monkey for story time it's it's good then I hope I'm being clear because this is a very important point and this is what really creates Maisha all the differences in the community and the fights and the issues are the feelings he feels this way this could be this way the sheet of this feelings feelings feelings if we were to remove the feelings approach and and go to the objective truth of Taylor we will disagree just like the river of cook disagreed but that's a how lucky Taylor legitimate disagreement that's to be honored and and this is very very important because it's not just here it's in every issue in every issue of of life and and as as leading us from Eden in there it's as well outside the righteous at all how to go about you know with with respect and if we do that there will be more obviously strong you know that the same person told me he davins Friday night in habachul even though he's smart because everyone they dive in early and he and he says hellotically it's the questions and I agree with him not going to go into those that have an early it's it's a logically a cooler but so be it it's been accepted so let's just right so he goes to Chabad because that was the time right so here's an example he's not about he I've inspired you know but he sees that in this issue he he happens to agree with this sheet of understanding this amount of times and he wants to Daven that way or for that matter let's talk about himself Robert krinsky from America's Chabad Tells over the story when he was growing up uh Robert salvation once showed up I think the first night of pesach at the habachul his brother had a shoe um in Boston and everyone's shocked with salvation he has a shoe that my monitors uh day school and in Boston you know in where he asked us to school what is he I mean and and a small minion you know it's a it's a Brisk he let it was the brisk million their own salvation wanted so he you know the humbras he didn't put on anyone else but here we keep the briskman Hogan from his ancestors and Friday night he shows up in Chabad so they asked her myself and was a long walk 45 minutes it wasn't a short walk and he said because it's dominicus with hallel and the brisket follow and he didn't want to implement that in the show for some reason I don't know why and therefore he put him he didn't say anything Dominion continued his opinion the way it was and he inconvenienced himself when he walked to Chabad what do we see that different I mean hug him and different leaders and different styles can work together and live together and appreciate each other in various ways and it doesn't have to be a fight it doesn't have to be I'm better than you and when does the I'm better than you and the fight begin when we start with feelings feelings so you know you know I'm not one to you know I love feelings you know that but now you should know that but nevertheless nevertheless the truth and the MS is the Ms and Tate is the MS so you know the fact that I feel great walking down and standing you know and you know shall I am man on the stones and on Seventh Heaven or in swazig and what if someone goes Hillary he speaks about New Mexico he goes to New Mexico or he goes to Boulder Colorado and he looks at the stars and he says wow baby I love I was in Boulder Colorado right and to sleep there of a Shiner I went to see zombie so he came while they gave me he said let me take you a little bit around for a few minutes so 15 minutes from his house at those beautiful mountains the Colorado mountains I'm driving so he takes me over there mom is like 15 minutes from the house beautiful mountains and what do I see there running on the mountains I never sting my life I thought they were deer he says my friend these are not there these are mountain lions stay in the car if you know what's good for you and we're going back so for some reason we stopped you want to show me this quaint little post office probably from 100 years ago and he says we're not going out because guess what a mountain lion king Tower car but Hashem it went away wonders of God the Creator mountain lions beautiful mountains where I lived in Marin County and Professor browler came from from McGill the laborator scientist he came from Tony says hi and he says I found gun Aiden on Earth I've been looking for garnaden on Earth all my life it ain't a Montreal it ain't in New York it ain't in Boston we're at Harvard where I was it's right here in Marin County in your backyard we can walk up the beautiful mountains the fly separated so you're gonna see in the flavors are Brighton so so I've run you know you could you could with feelings you can get very inspired that that all of these beautiful places the Grand Canyon and everything else I have to tell you this is the wonders of God nevertheless we say attitude I don't you know energy said oh this is and then we have it we have to learn a few words inside otherwise um we we need to do that so let's go into the text now but this was an important discussion so we're now at kuf Zion uh second paragraphs okay no commercial being in alumius just as regarding National nationalism these religious zionists grabbed onto this idea and they took the the saying Israel a Jew quote a Jewish even though his sinned Israel who is still a Jew and they interpreted that to mean that you could sin and still be a Jew so therefore what's important is to identify with the Jewish nation and the fact that you sin big deal so they took that hazal and they used it for their philosophy and abuela rating the previous part of the of the letter you know refuted the argument so the review just says just as regarding the the issue of nationalism the religious zionists grabbed they took this kazal and they Twisted it to to endorse their shita so too regarding the beginning of redemption issue I said Yiddish that they grabbed means to grab they grabbed me rashidim they quoted yirushamis okay and major shirashir in Mitra and and he doesn't give us these citations here but he's referring to some citations there and they use those citations as justification for a scouted the Gula says embold silver means they um confused or or even more than confused they they purposely misinterpreted and so you know and again I don't have a text to tell you what that would be if your rights to this person it's here is not the place to show you how they will massage they they intentionally interpreted incorrectly with a spin on the Irish Army and the Methodist to justify their Sita so I I don't know and again it would be good to for someone to if someone could find this out it would be great and we could learn it and discuss it let's go further okay and to the point that the mahabara to save up to the Great khufa period because he writes himself butter that if you look at the words of the rambam it's clear should call us Carlos okay yes sir if he's still here yeah he's there that that cool fact deila which which is of the opinion that is he himself quotes the rambam and he says that the rambam says that the other won't begin till we have to Cato not that we have gav in Gatherings he cites you see that's why I said it sir that's what they're relying on he agrees that the rambam says so and so this is what I said earlier but nevertheless either xiaoming and the mother should have seen him say otherwise and we're following them that's why I concluded what I said before that it seems to me the shiter of cook and others is that they know about the but they disagree with the number and they say they have we have our sources to rely on and it's exactly what he says here okay we'll stop here I have another sheer but uh tomorrow we'll continue what just before you go I've got a little bit of a difficult question uh on all this yeah those people who who said who called the ready mashiach yes according to to uh has said that the saman that they were in when the Refuge was in the world was the uh okay those people that believe that the rabbit could be the mashiach which according to the rambam there is a classification of that it's it's there could be it has nothing to do with with gaullah uh-huh remember the Ula begins after we have a mashiach so then that so your question is a very good question because then there is now if what's that term again says the first stage is that you're allowed to say about someone who meets the criteria that he it has the potential of me being mashiach but only after Bingham base amigdash do we know that he's so even those people that called the rabbit mashiach would not say that now if there are some that do they need a good doctor but we're not going to go there because I don't see a base amigdush if you find a base amigdush then tell me I would love to see the base Amigos 770 is a great place and a holy place and a wonderful place and um I'll be the first one to to tell you about that as I showed moisha the the wonders of 770 but it's not the place of English it's a miniature base but it's not the base I mean there's a rambam so to go and say that we have a base am ignition uh I don't know what they're smoking anyone else says something to say and and and and I love every Jew and I really do I love every Mr Chris I really do but you know you got you gotta you know whenever if you could prove me wrong I'll be the first one to be my dad I have no no issues yes my this is what I really really what I was speaking about before because I think about this a lot um that those feelings like what we're speaking about the feelings of of some of this versus convenience to struggle because I I've heard this many many times from people it can be in the usual and they can be medical so they can they can feel very inspired I think it's great I know myself when I get off the airplane and every time I get out and I start driving back and I driving on Highway one and I see the beautiful fields of Erica soil and I look towards the mountains of ushalayim something about it to me speaks to me very very strongly I just want to emphasize I think it's also always so important that when we're near to straw that there are places that we might go like I said before that we might not feel that way and it's important this is I guess this is editorial like it's just it's important to take those feelings that will have inspiration and when we're in places in there it's as well that we don't feel them or dafka it might actually bring us down we have to make sure we take those feelings and turn turn wherever we are turn this situation around that also to have the inspiration in place as a nurse so as well and look at every Jew you know even though they may not look that Jew may not look so inspired so to speak we have to go and appreciate every Jew that's narrative spell it's just like just like we would in places that we do feel naturally inspired right right I can tell you from my daughter and son-in-law and grandchildren living there and going there and being there over the years that walking sometimes in the street there is very difficult and I'm talking about it's Lee Association I'm talking about you know with the ponytails and and the motorcycles and it's it's really sick it's a very sick you know but but that's what they're there for and that's why you're that six seven hundred people you didn't have room to come into the shoe six seven hundred people in in in the in in their new shoe which they bought because they outgrew the other one no so I'm just saying that's why the devil sends him to places to to because they're far even they're they're eating and we don't and we know the history of Tel Aviv used to be such a from area the bells are rapper settled in Tel Aviv not your original because there wasn't one uh turkey One Church in Tel Aviv and he and your slime there was and he didn't want he wanted to be in a place he said I'm settling there everyone was shocked he had he would go for the summer go for a few weeks whatever okay having a good conversation everyone will see everyone tomorrow bye bye