Zionism #18-Belief that Redemption started is Heresy according to the Rambam

so uh good day we're learning to get his base page Zion now just uh for you happy to know that this year is not just a local uh viewers and attendees but they're both Hashem as I told you other people are are watching listening and even commenting yesterday I got a very long uh comment on the YouTube from a dentist in Teaneck New Jersey who hopes to join us from time to time he said um commenting on different things that we discussed of Cook and uh and and and the the rabbashita was a clarification I don't think you were at that part of the sheer moisture yesterday it came a little late but I I spoke a little bit about that in the beginning because what you asked last week which is very good that you brought it up about you know and you said you know today's religious zionists are different than the ones in the past from the way back and and I said uh yes and no and I discussed the Shabbos with some knowledge of people sure and they agreed to what I said and that is that yes is that there's more of a religious uh Taylor right-wing attitude even by Miss Rocky today but no and that they still hold on to the ascalta digiola which that part of the show you were there for yesterday as they say in the Thriller and rough cook held that way too again I'm not I'm not a book in his expertness swarm whether he actually made the tree laws I don't think he did or he should say that feel like I don't know could be he did but in Sita in ideology uh he he was of that mindset and Volvo is not here but before the sheer he left me a elaborate voice note asking me to talk for a few minutes about the 1948 United Nations announcement and decision at the state of Israel of Palestine now is the state of Israel and and he said that you know where he is in in Cologne Germany you know he's always confronted by people who are Orthodox and from and you know that there is uh there is some form of because the miracle of 48 points to that and a lot of that comes you know much and then the saying of how will the different different aspects here so he addressed that briefly say one of two things number one who says that 1948 was a miracle who says it was a miracle it was great negotiations could you prove to me it was a miracle no one can no one can prove it was a miracle and say they negotiated very well and Hashem blessed them what I'm saying is what's the miracle you're struggling you're negotiating 20 30 years from the British mandate your maneuvering you clinch the deal so what was this a miracle what means a miracle that that in other words this is my own humble opinion is that I could question and conclude that it's not a miracle it's a good thing but who says it's a miracle that's number one number two the fact is that this state that was formed in 48 did not include that it's a state based on hello so how can you how can you argue that Redemption has begun because the state of Israel and the state goes against Redemption I.E goes against the Tita it's an oxymoron you can't and that's also part of what the bureau is writing in different words and different arguments of different places in this letter is you can't have you can't have it both if you're saying it's skiola which yesterday will learn that today will continue it's not up to us to say oh it's up to God to say it's good but even if you want to argue that we can we can make a gaula beginning of how could that be cool if eating today and raising pigs and and and and saying bosses should go on Shabbos it doesn't go together so the the statehood did not create Google on the contrary the state of created desecration of today simultaneously we're very happy that there was a 1948 and there was a state and we could live in that she said oh we can go back to the crystal until you know the and all that absolutely but don't tell minskiola so this is the answer to to to to the objection that Volvo shared from his people there and it's not it's all over it's not just there is that 1948 is not and it's not necessary even the miracle what mirror the 1967 war The Six Day War that ever said it was a miracle guess what the sacrament ever said it wasn't a miracle even that which was almost which not just the represent almost everyone said it was miraculous that in six days we should defeat all of our enemies that has more Miracle Tone to it okay one second but 1948 what's what's the miracle over here now if any of you can explain what the miracle of 1948 Miracle we're talking about nests not not great thing not good thing miracle-ness so that's my rebuttal to to the argument level that miracle that what happened in 48 albeit a good thing that we are a we have Liberation or somehow we have a state and then we you know we have Homeland and all that to live in and to conduct ourselves it doesn't equal a miracle so I I hope that that suffices for now wait yeah yeah I just want to mention um I know that um I remember learning about this years ago that that there's a I think that even Within even with there's a difference between late as your brother 1948 what happened in 1948 and what happened in 1967 I think that 1967 what's interesting is that those who say Hollow um those who say hello um [Music] the ones who are more um [Music] um they say there's much more of a basis to say hello I'm just I just shared much more of a basis to say hello potentially potentially even with a bracha because of what happened in 1967. I mean in 1967 was a real you could say maybe it was a real nice yeah especially because it because let's say there was an element of finishing this element of of let's say of um uh you know there's a military there was a mo there was a military issue and and it and it it completed it was essentially almost say like a victory or a positive outcome and so celebration of that in 1967 I think amongst those again who who say hello this is the tremendous amount of uh a difference of opinion between 1948 and thank you thank you join me so I don't know I don't I'll tell you a story that I heard when I was at maybe 13 14 something like that um I don't know if you know maybe in all your teachings it could be one of your books too maybe you mentioned um name is Rabbi Tavia besser I don't know if you know because his son is a his son is a rabbit is I think the um either the Russian sheep or the dean of Manhattan I think Manhattan High School but I didn't like a modern Orthodox school but that's his son he's a rabbi very interesting guy his father was an American who went in 48 to to to Palestine to fight and it was my father's boss so I remember I was a little kid my father would take me to work every Friday I didn't go to school on Fridays and he would take me to smoker bernsteins and he would take me to the shop and his shop was on 47th Street used to work in the Diamond District and um he was his uh his boss and um they used to make gold chains that's what they that was the business my father was in the business for many years and um so he told me a story he told me he told my father I was there because we were talking about Israel listener I know anything about Israel I was a time Berlin at the time I had no idea and he seemed like a charity guy so I didn't you know think you know you know anything about Israeli a white beard a black Africa and he said no at 4 48 and I went and I went and I I volunteered and he said that he doesn't have any citizenship at that time you know he wasn't Israel he wasn't living there he doesn't have his really sense of Japan also a story many years ago at least 30 years ago he passed away but he said an interesting thing he said that when he came to fight and to defend in Israel so he said they were so outgunned and so out everything they had no Machinery they had no guns they were literally like fighting with with sticks and bows and arrow they didn't have anything and the world wasn't giving them money and they really didn't have a lot so what they did was they were inventive they were inventive and Innovative and they built and he said he was part of this he didn't tell me a story for somebody else this is what he did they he wasn't a tank Battalion and they had a few tanks and he said that he didn't have even materials to make tanks from so what they did was I mean and this is what he said was the miracle he says they took aluminum like from from well different parts like parts from trucks and and parts of everything gutters and they built these things that kind of looked like somewhat like a dank but it obviously didn't have wheels and and you know they couldn't Master they didn't have the same Machinery that they have today that they can make things and they constructed these things and they put them on mountains now they actually these things are if you're going from Beijing Mr Tel Aviv Jerusalem you can still see them they're actually like these red little they look in a way like a truck yeah I I I've seen them on the road no yeah so until I came to Israel and I think over there yeah yeah yeah yeah so until until I came because I didn't know what he was talking about but he said that they put them on strategic um places and mountains and uh you know the Galileo and he said that he was overlooking and he was like it was metal so it was like protection he said as soon as they put down these pieces of scrap metal the Syrian Army started running he says I'm looking through my binoculars and I was literally shocked he said my whole life I never saw such a thing never saw such a thing they just saw these pieces of the matter started running and he said that it was a crazy for him it was a crazy miracle and Mr Nice Mr Nice whatever it was but he told me he said that was a miracle and I heard that story and then when I first came to this when I saw those pieces of metal I'm like wow you know like that that's what hit me so that's why we're talking about right right and that and that wasn't 48 there was a 67 67. oh 48 48 because you're talking this story happened in the 80s he was already an old man then so 67 he was already yeah right right right [Music] um one last Point uh regarding what I said earlier that uh in 19 after The Six Day War the next pesach that ever wrote to his that of pesach they should leave yerushalayim until after midday because yeah because if not they'll be obligated according there'll be a benefit of Paris who is uh was uh I think addition yeah but he said who says that you have to bring a carbon PESA if you're in yerushalaya and you have dominance out of pesach you have to be in according pesos no you have to bring it in the afternoon but if you're not there see maybe he said you have to go away for the oil of basic I don't remember but the bottom line is they left you can see the letters that's then the next year that I've been said you could stay because what he hoped would happen didn't happen what did he hope that the victory of the of the army would be that they would conquer and take over and have complete control and they didn't they gave it over to the wild the walk the walking whatever it's called and and everything yeah the WAFF and that's it so to to us about Oslo babiches it was a clear indication that that although a miracle happened on the first Six Day War right and it kind of was wasted it was it it didn't it the the the the vessel that was supposed to sort of been made by the Israeli government was squandered was wasted and and and to the point where it ever said you could Remain the next out of all I'm saying is sharing this with you is that it's it's you know we're flipping the saying there's a miracle you know we have to again look into Allah and see what the what the get together of a miracle is and then we have to see what that our Buddhism say and all that now notwithstanding all that we have a legitimate disagreement between those that see The Six Day War you know as or or the 48th and The Six Day War as Miracles again and and therefore foreign [Music] groups As We Know believe and decide based on their abundant but the girl in this letter he's presenting his understanding based on the rabbit's understanding that the assaulted which the Mizrahi cool called is not the case and now let's go to the page of Zion for for one just learn one paragraph inside today I guess um this is the first paragraph on the page this idea that it's either us complete denial in the primary foundational belief of redemption why the laws of Kings chapter 11. quote the number says including the beginning of the gamma scouted us and even the other the second stage which the Agoda calls it's the beginning to the beginning will be only through the righteous Messiah he will bring that about the religious zionists right the this argument that the religious zionists say and he and the bill writes in the parenthesis and so he says you can find in the newspapers of the Agoda their position and that is the fact that many Yeadon made Aliyah and they came to Erica's the Holy Land made cut be close and to each and every one of us speedily mayasa shyness and they came from all kinds of different countries so they argue who will you keep with scullions this is what the Ramba means the in gathering of the Exiles this is complete uh heresy it's Mama's country to the rambam rights in the laws of Kings what is it right there she keeps going that the in-gathering of the goalies of the Exiles after the building and the no Zionist whether it's herzl or of Coke or anyone else will tell you that the priests that make there's a standing here on on the Hara bias no one's going to tell you that right everyone agrees there's no base amigdas everyone is still celebrating anyone that's religious and believes Tish above so if y'all says if that's the case the rambam writes that who is going that first mashiach will first they'll be the building the base of Magnus and Mr mashiach will then gather the Jews from all over so how can you tell me the fact that they're making Aliyah is part of the ULU when the EULA didn't start because we don't have a base to meet this yet according to the Ramba again remember what I said yesterday according to the number as the final Authority if you don't accept that I'm a final Authority which many didn't and maybe it have cooked in either I don't know I'm not well well versed seemingly he didn't as the final Authority on these laws then you could say the measure says this and according to the mattress Maisha you don't need to have the building of the base I make this before the in gathering of Godless so therefore I'm 67 and 48 and 67 which was made on the young all that it's part of the guild that's their argument but if you follow the rap bomb and the Order of the rambam just text of the Rambo I'm not you know not uh secrets of the rambam the actual simple text he gives an order one two three four and what does he say that first they'll be opinion based on make this and then keep us golias so the fact that there was Alias and great Alias great wonderful and it's valid but it does not equal and therefore and therefore according to the rambam review oil's expression which is very sharp gamuta it's complete heresy because it's a very sharp expression but think about it if you accept the number's opinion then saying the guild has started it's a it's a contradiction to belief to believe the 13 not unimaments right just as I believe you only in Hashem and I believe in TSA Mason I believe in mashiach it's one of the you give a principles and and according to the rambam it didn't begin yet because we don't have a base Amigos yet and if you're telling me it did begin then that means you're from the perspective of the rambam you're going against the belief in one of the principles and that's heresy in other words if someone's gonna say you're innocent I don't believe in the resurrection of that you will call that person a kaifer a heretic he does right it's one of the there's youth game on me those you give them you give me things 13 principles of of and they're icaring they're called your gimbal icarin and one of them scared some Mason well someone will come along I don't believe it's a heretic he's a kaifer so rabiel says that the rambam says the same thing about the process of the evil and if you say otherwise you're a kaifer that's the explanation to his words travel continue tomorrow try to come on time so we can learn more zygons don't have a great day everyone thank you take care bye bye