Zionism #17- Did Redemption Start? Rebbe says no; Rabbi Kook says yes. Establishment of State

okay so we're starting today on page kuf of in the safe of this is the second letter he get his base that says in the heading and the section of this letter that abil Khan addresses his Indian golus the idea of Exile and Redemption and I had a chance to talk to a few people in school Shoppers who are knowledgeable in these this Fields you know there's some form of software became Chabad [Music] says some very very uh sharp things here and you have to you have to be a you have to have the background to appreciate it and you need to know you know you need to know also different things in kazal and Madrid and rambam so you know when when shashem you'll learn it again and review it you know try to read up on it so you have a a better understanding where it's coming from as much as you know I'm explaining it as best as possible um there's still a very broad background that's that's that's necessary so I'm just giving you that as a uh as an it's a Tova but today that he begins speaking about probably the issue that is the most obvious issue why uh what they call Hare the Judaism right wing Orthodox on and on oppose uh the Mizrahi the rough cook and last week Easter I think was on and and he said or emotion you know they asked you know it seems like today's Miss Rocky is not like once upon a time and and the question was Israel saying that the the the the the cook didn't know what he's saying so in discussion with these uh it's not that he didn't know what he was saying of course you know what he's saying he based his opinion which which is really the issue we're going to start learning about today which is the scouted that Zionism is the beginning of he based that Ahmed Russian he didn't base it on the rambam in other words he didn't accept the rambam as the authority um though on that on that issue and why not because it's it's in his view it that I'm the rambam is is is about gaulo where do you find them eramba well we don't pass like the rambam you know what I'm saying one second one second that's when you're saying hey go ahead what are you saying here is you're talking about rough Cooks enough cook yeah okay so now so so of cook and and those of the father said we possibly like you know we could we could possibly like to come out on the mattress according to the mother of Madras the Simone of us our Sim on them and we have a right to say to sculpted guilder the river and there are sharp and they said and they have explained it and it's many of us secrets and he had a general rule that listen to this rule because it's very important that one that I'm since the rambam was like a coat of fire not the last code of Fire but if no one argues on the rambam then we then we do follow his codification and so if Hillel of the mahabir who lived much later in the rambam disagrees we followed but if they don't talk about it then we rely on the on the on the play sick that does write about it who's the person that writes about this so the rabbit says we and what does the rambam says that rambam says clearly the process of guiola he says first let's bring your base I make this and until bring your base I make this there's no gold at all not even the scouted that's the Reba's explanation of why hologically he There's No Escape Rabbi cook disagrees obviously and he says I don't I don't accept that line of thinking that since no one else wrote uh on this topic you know since the Macabre and the sugar didn't write about this topic that we followed it on but no he says they relied on the gumbarism and that's a fair and square disagreement so it's not as though you know the cook is it yeah according to the net but if Cook is wrong and not just acquaintance that ever going to the Jade you know right wing uh from World Yeshiva World he's wrong by the way the reason that epic game I'm not sure that the right wing accepts either I'm not convinced of that they had their own reasons why they rejected enough cook but the devil's logic was very clear and he says this in many things in the secrets that we follow a basic if no one else argues on him or doesn't talk about it so you go back to the last basic that gave up sock in this case it's the rambam where it's very clear what the process of Gil is this was the devil's argument with her of seven and with everyone else who seemed to accept the 1948 uh and even before the book was before with the you know the the all the Balfour Declaration everything else that was going on they saw that as a scouted now now I want to please understand something and of course passed away I think in 1935 right or so so you're talking about his gift his you could start already in the 1920s you know territory starts in the 1898 right first we have started in the 1880s I told you the Bilo organization basis around the Hoover nail hook and they say Mass immigration territor's role the Aliyah was showing that the first Aliyah beginning of That's herzl and Company then comes the 19 early 1900s and we have the aliashnia the second Aliyah wave of Aliyah and RAF cook included in them I believe and that's you know like kind of the second the Scout of the universe we have already two of us how to digiulus and then comes 1948 and we have a third of scout to the Google because the state of the state of Israel has been formed as a state now again I don't know if y'all's going to get into it but to me as I was thinking about this and preparing this year it's like hey guys how long are you gonna save this counter tequila makeup one second um I I don't know I'm not I'm not I'm not a Bucky in the in the laws of yeah but if if the fourth so so be it but and I hear by the way and just I told you I think once when I was in patirand when I was you know we used to frequent to knock a lot and I got in the book but the Iran so I met their lead Rabbi Eisenberg there's a famous mishbach and I saw the eisenbergs you know they say throw a ball up in the land and land and at an Eisenberg because there's so many eisenberg's grandchildren so so um I was there in chakras after we're all about to start located he gives a bang and this guy was a Sansa cusset with the old Garb he keeps a bang and he says look at them he says it didn't say he says so I this this caught my attention so I went over to him and I was you know friendly with the people there and I said talk to them and hear from them they were older people and their parents were from the akiralayan from the early 1900s it was a it was a very special place with special people so he said I've been going every day of my life since they opened up the coastal to the castle 38 years whatever it was at the time every single day to me it's yay so today I was able to go back to the crystal not your beautiful life whatever and he says and therefore I'm not letting you say in this not because of Zionism he was definitely a anti-scientist I'm sure because to him it was the Chrysler Marathi the halekadusha but the point I was making before of Muslim so whether it's three or four like like Amy says I mean like so I don't know but to me that that seems to support the rambam that it's not a skull to the Gula because the scouted Guild is when this actual goal and there's no more as Countess one as halted two a count to three in other words when when when according to the rambam when this Binion base amigdush and the ADI simonim that's already a part of biya samashiach you know and so for example let's say the revolution of technology and everything there's no question that it's it's part of a Messianic experience but not to say In classical allergic terms it's as counted it's it's an energy of mashiach a feeling of mashiach we're getting closer use any word you want like you know I told you that girl that was walking home from Berkeley Chabad house and Berkeley with the with the Robbie Ferris and and it was a college student there who obviously and said you know she doesn't believe God forbidding God and all that so I turned to her and after she gives her diet trap when I say I have a question to ask you do you believe believe in a force yes of course of course I said okay it's not God it's a force [Music] from Star Wars right exactly yeah what did you want to say here I wanted to ask a question and uh as I am listening to you it seems to me that in Heritage Society it's common to use the phrase dolphin yeah it was it was it was so first of all I mean is there a is there like a definition of like what's included and it doesn't it seems to be just like a a uh yeah just a kind of you know General phrase to describing a certain era of History it could include anything um and it could it could certainly Encompass the idea about the Gula at some point okay okay but but not not in not together hello that's you know we have to know you know [Music] right not not not not that I know of I that is a kind of a midrashic foreign that's what abuel's doing you understand the satmar of you find us more in the first letter the samarov brought midrashim to support his argument that that that having the state of Israel is a violation of the three the three things the three shows that it's not a Biblical violation you could say the measure says this and and morale says this thank you very much thank you very much you don't have to accept it and and number two who says that's exactly what he meant and that's all discussed in the first letter so we're really being very narrow in a way that and that that you know the issue is whether how luckily it's as counted or not let's look let's learn inside a little bit to get get the flavor okay page welcome back wherever you are good to see you and you go to Google the idea of golos and gaullah it was a simple fact by every Jew that the idea of Gauss and Gula who Indian eloki it's a Godly idea which transcends nature claima this means the reason for colors was live Nations you know what we have goals because the Romans there the Roman army was stronger than the Jews the Jews Army vanak rather why what do we have goals it's a the will of God a punishment for our sins of your quotes what we say in in massive because of our sins we would exalt from our country right to the point it don't you know and I don't care who you are and what you are and what the heck you call you where every Jew says every from Jew find me a front Jew that doesn't say and and and translate the words of rum because of our sins we were exiled that means the golus is a punishment for our sins not because the Romans had a stronger Army and that's why we're in golis the way the punishment of Hashem expressed itself included the Roman stronger Army but that's not the real reason clear ing you might see a following yep so Also regarding the Redemption from the Exile from golus Tia it shall be loyal date not through natural procedures progress we're going to have a war against the non-jews and and we're going to be overpower them and be liberated from them Asylum or guess what we're going to negotiate and the grain will say you Jews out of golus for that matter the the the establishment of Eric of Israel as will be the reason we'll leave ghosts it will be our army that's a how we thank him in our tanks okay that's not the way we're going to have Kian the Earth true guilder will be in a way that transcends nature completely Hashem will redeem usherence because in a miraculous way that's beyond nature commercial just as the first Redemption from Egypt which was transcended nature as it says he made sense just as when I took you out of Egypt you saw Miracles so when Messiah will come I will show you miracles and those Miracles will get us out of golus yes Maisha please question I'm sorry just you can go back just a what is this old escamus what what is that what is what was that Russia um the nations of the world okay next paragraph you're welcome and since we've established that the reason we're in goloes is because of our sins looking therefore bardation in order to Merit the Redemption through the righteous Messiah we have to first do chuva return repent to Hashem quotes the laws of chuva paid exam so you could look it up and what does it says we the Jews won't be liberated we won't have the Ula Ella unless we do chuva stuff promised us she's the end will be that the Eden will do true verb be safe go loosen at the end of golus um look at the word immediately as soon as there's chuva immediately there will be hey nicolon we will be redeemed this is the precise language of the Rama review of sites next paragraph so he says this attitude means this attitude place of the past two says every Jew knew this as a given the pastute that's the acronym and surely by those that merited to learn and more specifically it's not just a punishment as it implies [Music] it's actually a special activity that the Jews need to do the goal is dafka we have a job here Hillel this isn't just sitting here to get our backs whipped but we have a job in goggles there's a reason to this madness and through this activity of working hard and serving Hashem in golus yes see that we will marry the future Redemption name is godliness will be apparent neither yaiser much greater even the way godliness was apparent during the the base I make this time right because the base I make those when there was godliness you're in the Sin it was pragos now that we are on golus and we're working in gogos and we have all the difficulties and nevertheless we're serving God so when the reward will be so much greater of seeing godliness because we went through the struggles and the difficulties and that they didn't have based on rights to the to the person look over there the United and and you you'll have sweetness it'll be sweet to you if you take the time to look in the secrets which explains this idea you'll have real pleasure next parent came along Zionism and it wanted to uproot and Yiddish is this attitude as we explained regarding goals and glue in the last three chapter paragraphs and the zionists they kind of tripped their and they came up with an idea guess what we can be redeemed us Jews from gullusion also through natural means and causes foreign [Music] by giving us the land of Israel I.E the 1948 estate and even earlier through our war that we had with England England they had the Mandate over Israel and we fought them we won and therefore we now have and you see this goes back to the times of RAF cook right the Mandate British mandate and all that so first he says he alludes to 1948 that even goes back so he says the this means that that and Godless and and is not a Heavenly thing but it's a human a human experience we were putting in we're putting goals by the Goliath if we can negotiate our way out or beat them in warm we have we have Google we have Redemption we have the Earth Israel yes existing a voyager then we're gonna bring about the machine where which line are you reading Jason oh I see I see I got I got it got it because I fight of you and I getting up in the morning having issues and struggles and overcoming they're afraid of serving Hashem and ghosts you had this excuse me obviously you and I you 've got to get everybody to do it yeah yeah and and and and Jameson I don't know about you but I can tell you that so I can do it I can there's a lot more room for me to do things so uh I don't think that I'm doing my vitamins enough but the point is that that's what it means let's go to the next paragraph and then we'll stop foreign I think that's the English that's the way you translate it Zionism the idea was re-accepted by many Jews referring to Mizrahi and others as we discussed foreign but you see that yo you see how far the Babbage and the red Bender of joywar from Zionism and specifically that the work of the Satan was successful and the state of Israel was established okay now can anyone tell me that lubavitch's zionists if there's such a statement move it it's understood they came they were Jews there was pyramids Captain mixes they say each day we all say because we're from I believe how can you say everybody else saying how could you say I believe in the comment of mashiach on the same part of your mouth same at the same time you say that the establishment of Medina is the goal there's no machine here where's mashiach I will Advocate Nitro solidarian said so though in a sense it's ludicrous it's contradictory it makes no sense the idea of Zionism has caught has people the umru and they said there was counted the guild the the establishment of the state and even the British man they know that is the beginning of gula and he says here it is and he says this was the term coined by the Mizrahi foreign and if you look and you want to look at the language of the more religious ones you know you know not to keep us through connects and look what he says in the bracket going on to the next page of Zion what's the language of the Agoda Dias you see now it's a Scouts that's what he told you stage one stage two stage three foreign so this was a very heavy paragraph and and one that I'm sure make it will make uh many people in the Amazon you know have issues with Chabad but of course today don't know this and don't care and are elsewhere but this is this is the lion you hear it from the you hear it from the master okay and and and it doesn't mean therefore you shouldn't live in there just roll and so you should be and scream that's not what it means but in no way is living in that it's you said oh and having the clay so and all the barakas that you have there which is unbelievable equal to Tequila that's all yes with him foreign [Music] talk and it's a nice Russia and you could say you can argue I mean you know I mean you're gonna go tell the the slap what to commit and this is that the the the classicism is going to be the Sanhedrin that they'll they'll throw you out I mean they'll say it's happy courses you know you have Muhammad Shabbos I don't have to go into the everyone knows so I'm just saying I I I'm what I'm saying is everything's possible that that's that's the point of this continence we have to we have to distinguish between you know possibilities that are more mid-russic and zoharic and things like that for instance that that that's that's a very important so the same is yamisin with with what you're sharing it's a possibility of course a possibility but to go and build and to go and build on that ashita you can't do that you can't know that yes my you want to say something no I'm from you don't speak about from are you following yes I'm sorry I'm a dolphin okay if you have any questions that's pretty clear it's clear okay because you're such a great student you just listen and listen and you hardly ever speak I don't know that's one of my main skills no that's great okay but if you know if you ever want to ask or clarify you know okay kevra we'll see everyone tomorrow good learning and have a great day everyone Shalom bye take 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