Zionism #13-Is Religious Zionism included in Chabad's opposition? R' Look & Chabad

okay um good morning good day we're on page Olive in the safe of igarus Base the topic The Heading of this section is called the idea of nationality now over Shabbos I had a chance to take out the rambam to learn the rambam that the bureau cites here to discuss it with someone who wrote a safe who wrote a safer on the rambam for him on the rambam clarifying the rambam and um I'm not going to go into all the details just to tell you that it's worth at your leisure to take out gershin uh it's it's the book of nation this is where you'll find the book of nation the laws of Gershon chapter 2. I forget what paragraph you'll find over there I think might be paragraph eight or nine you'll find over there that one of the oil sites over here which the rebel quoted thousands of times that um a a Jew really wants to do the will of Hashem and therefore if he gives a get um being forced to give a get and for that matter if abesden appoints a guy or to force the Jew to give a get it's a good get whereas if if a Jew on his own hires a guy without the best in adjudicating that that's what should be done it's not a good get one more point that um that I learned in clarifying the halach is that the difference between a get puzzle an invalid get and a get bottle but yet bottle means um The Nullification of a jet and the rambam suddenly addresses it that a um the um get bottle means that midarisa biblically it's not a good get for whatever reason as he enumerates over there whereas a get puzzle I think this is the difference get personalism with the rice is good only with the Rapunzel it's no good so anyway these details are there but but as far as the point that's relevant to what we're learning here it's it's the it's the main point that if a yid is forced to give a get and and the rambam says why because the only reason he didn't want to give to get is because his Yates got to him so when you give him a few Clap the yatesahara keeps quiet and backs off and then his inner real self comes out which is to give a get because now it's wanted to give a gift and clearly by the way I think someone asked last week and the rambam says in the beginning we're talking in a case when how logically it's it's validated to give a guess for example if you didn't have children in 10 years how lovely the husband can give a gift doesn't have to to the wife right and and and and uh other of other situations like that you know where heroically it's it's warranted that to give a gift but if not that's a whole different situation so the the as it's relevant to our discussion here Abigail says look at the difference between the deed who gives who who doesn't want to give a get that is forced to give a get it's still a good get whereas if if if if if Aid hires a guy on his own it's not a good gift whether it's the iso is that abundant or whatever those are details but it's not a good get why because then it's not coming with anemia it's not sure it's not coming from his inner thing he had it's a bit it's a business deal if the wife goes and hires are going without the permission of the best then it's not a good gift and and the rambam says and they say Kalin the commentaries and that I'm gonna say it's a very simple logic this way everyone will go and hire a woman wants out I want out what am I gonna do I'm gonna get a a zlub I'm gonna get a Buffon I'm gonna get a uh you know a bouncer and the bouncer will go and say you don't you don't do this uh your your legs will be chopped off we won't have the civility so that's why that's not a good get and that's not premium but we're talking about in the case when Besson says yes you should give a gift this is that there's a reason yes and you don't want to give a get then then we could force you because that's really Panini it's not sure yes he live is it um part of the den that the um that the husband has to know that those are slook of a faced in absolutely it's not like announced like uh the like the Miranda law or something you know yeah yeah yeah otherwise it's it's missing in in Das and yeah absolutely yeah that's what I thought yeah okay so now let's go to page and we're the third the second paragraph it's towards the bottom of the page okay foreign [Music] even though he committed yeah I'm sorry forgive me forever correct me if I'm wrong but I think actually we finished on Thursday very very bottom and couth noof no zero dollars I think we learned it but I don't mind going back let's go back to the bottom of course here it is yes sir maybe this is what he read and he went nuts this is the Mr China of the Miss rockinix and the agudas the Peters they take this phrase this result of a peace they take this phrase even though he sinned is still a Jew ish they want to prove now on top of they compare it to the essence of a Russian and at sarfati has nothing to do with religion says when he brought an interpreted explained this what is the idea of Aid question his connection to Taylor you can't separate are you from data what is the the essence of ayed Tatum as we find in the swarim she is what's the acronym of the word Israel foreign which means there are 600 000 letters in the data so who is a Israel who is a yeet someone who connects and lives and desires and knows that what is he or she six hundred thousand Isis letters of the Torah and if that's not who you are that's not something that you you believe in then you're technically you're slow but in in concept you're not a Jew you're you're a nationalist you're a Russian you're you're a Frenchie and you're a Jew but has nothing to do with Taylor but therefore there's no Holiness to you let's continue so what's the meaning that even someone who did a sin He Still Remains a Jew ish it's not that he remains a Jew because of a sidebar because as they are good to say yes he remains a Jew because he's connected to Taylor who writes call me because the in the depth of his heart he wants to know him off next paragraph Yes the the the publicity of this idea in explaining the Hazardous not that God forbid it has any comparison to the idea to the shita of nationalism of the tianim of the contrary in other words we have a gazelle Alpha Peach Israel who so the rapper says that is the total opposite the way we from the beginning explained look at it it's the total opposite and contrary to the shita to the way that the to uranium learned Damon you're uh you're a yeet even though you sinned and why because nationalism makes you eat and abuel says that's that's Hape of the Platinum the name of the river and that it's a Hape of the shot in in the Ghazal because I was saying Alpha p even though all you sinned Israel who in other words so how do you become in other words the hate the Avera the sin that cannot remove you from being the Israel But first you have to be a Israel Israel not having a flag and not having to tell you that that's what makes you a Jew what makes your Jewish tighter remember was it was there referring to religious Zionism yes of course of course he's not refreshing sake this this whole country is apparently to Zionism is that about secular zionists no no because a lot of what what he's saying makes sense what if you if you're talking about secular Zionism the whole point was for them to replace the yid with an Israeli I mean like what he's saying he's saying the Russian is the Russian the Frenchman the Israeli is instead of the eight but I don't I don't know if religious dying that they're saying that maybe today they're not saying it but they did say it in 1880 and in 1920. and and it's spilled over absolutely it's in 1948 the Senate please everyone everyone that that would they didn't they didn't say they don't they didn't say you have to not excuse me they didn't say you shouldn't put on film no one said you shouldn't put on film but the question is what establishes you as a Jew so the sheet of Zionism which you know started with the secularists well actually and it was supported by from rap on them like I told you Maisha got excited about the Epstein bought property daddy you're talking about him this was all up all across most you know most were for Zionism there was the exception was there was one or two or three rabbanimous that said no the Rashad Was Won the the moon catcher was another you know and and a few others but most the and so so so servio is taking apart is taking apart it's not saying here you shouldn't live in there this Israel not so old enough conditions not saying he's saying what is your drive what is the sheet over here now this the sophomore you know they no they they they focusing on it and they throw out the whole thing you understand and if y'all saying this you gotta discern between the shita and the practicality and to go and say that has the sheet of the Zionism is pushing the line it's not true so therefore he has to show that that's the case and of course like it's just said before this year started some of you weren't on mostly weren't on he gave the safer to him to a strong Zionist and he like spitted the book and when he opened it up he saw something because it speaks against Zionism religious Zionism so this is a double-edged sword this is not that's why I told you from the beginning you know they pick it up oh he's speaking against the software he's speaking just a month against the zionists to release zionists and that's why it's a very sensitive issue but therefore you take the safer you learn it you you remove yourself emotionally very hard to do but that's what needs to be done and then you think about it and then come to your conclusion it is right it isn't right but the the reaction that that is a share it seems to me a very emotional reaction I open a page or two I see he says something I didn't read with before what's after terrible he's a nut they could read the entire build up do you understand every detail what he's saying then you still disagree that's tighter you're allowed to disagree and you know any we know that they there's a disagreement we know that religious Zionism argues otherwise that the oil is challenging that argument he's saying that if you go down to the core of the argument nationalism is is it is not the cause for being Jewish yes sir yeah I just I'm not uh you know right anyways a Bucky and like around cook but I find it hard to believe that Rob cook would say being a nationalist makes you Jewish he knows what makes a aid and and uh I don't see this you know I would need to see more a historical record that this is what the you know the religious zionists really believe oh okay you live in there it's Israel You're a good not that you know it's a process but I I can't see like a Rob cook right well again I can't I can't I can't cite for you right now look at this page but it's it's known that the right wing Orthodox from yeshivish hasidish world Bank of cook shita that that's no that's not me telling you a hiddish you know that right I'll give you an example Rabbi hutner who you know of high Berlin you're in his uh black uh dark Yeshiva he was related to rough cook and this I have in writing and I've written about it but I found the sources in his first save for the cable there's a huskama cook a cook gave him a scum up not on a safe apocal you took as a safe and Nas or something I forget the name now that he wrote when he was a young man and it was it was blown away it was a big time of coffee they took it out and the second printing they removed the huskama from of cook number two and this I heard from people who were there not telling you when my side hurts in Asuka in his sukkah in Brownsville he had a picture of the rough cook and I think of the balotanya [Music] a few years later the picture of cook was gone and it wasn't vandals who ripped it down you know the pressure of of the Isla Matera that was was being developed in American Heritage thrill it wasn't popular so the people you know probably said hey look you know you want to score points we want to be recognized we want to be a Mainstay Yeshiva you know put the rough cook in in the in the bag just put in the bag and one more point I'll tell you and again I didn't see this but this you can ask anyone they should know it and that is that they they say that if Cook said someone who plows and and and and and and plants the land of Heritage Israel is as holy as someone who sits and base Madras or in a clingable you've heard that or never heard that that that I that I heard you know from childhood again did he say it when did he say it how do you say I don't know so what I'm saying it's not that rough cooked that he he didn't know what time it is I eat this title of course he did he's talking about that uh Grayson mention a big person the the question is analyzing here is what is in other words like this ifraph cook is saying when you plant the the Earth the planting of the Earth as a yeet because the taina tells you to plant the Earth that's fine the bureau is not arguing of that the dev is not argue on that the question is if you're you're saying no just by planting the Earth you're a Jew and you're saying if sir that it's hard for you to believe that RAF cook would argue that and I understand cook would be saying [Music] that they're doing them with they're fulfilling a Mitzvah okay they don't have the kavana that they're fulfilling them okay okay and and it could and it could and if that's it it's my team no problem but for some reason and again when he wrote it I don't know what was going on in Miss Rocky at the time I don't know what's going on not good at the time it seems like at that time there still was a lingering of a of AKA a jewishness that that didn't require total commitment to Toyota and that's what he's objecting to listen we're all benefactors of of Chabad and the rivers Outreach and all that Etc one way the other right so so if anyone loved the Jew the lab should ever loved the Jew and this same Obama have big issues with Zionism how do you in other words and we're going to see in a moment let's say the river Asha the fifth rabbit of show and Bear everyone says oh he was such an anti-zionist and that's why disciples say we like that Lambada if the days of Barbara would have been like the rashab we would all go to him and they're always saying I will remember the supper rabbit said there was one man that he regrets never meaning which he wanted what she would have wanted to meet was the rabbi rashab and why because she's so Vigilant against the zionists and he was and you look at his letters you you close your eyes because of what was going on in Russia in 19 you know tens and twenties in those times so they say to that they say the rabbit you should follow in your ancestors steps and since you're not you're not The Real McCoy you're you're giving in you know what if y'all's gonna show over here the Rabbit doesn't give in he never gave in and trust me he had a big problem with the zionists just like the software and more yes moisture you wanted to say something it is important to think it's important to clarify um something which is somebody the only history brought up I think if we look at today at the mainstream religious Zionist Camp which is quite a range of let's say just level of observance I mean somewhere you know from more modern to all the ways that are like the Mercado Rob that are extremely serious religiously I think today we look today uh religion anybody any any of any Electric Authority in the window uh you know would would say it's obvious that a person is Jewish you know from a Jewish mother or a lot of conversion Etc in other words yeah that's an insane you know just I got it because yeah okay um you know and I think that that being said I think it's important to look specifically that today the difference the differences are getting blurred you know than what they what they were like what you're saying 1880 1920 and I think today the main issue what from at least from what I have seen is that in a religious Zionist World there is an emphasis on number one politically whether or not it's an actual Mitzvah now to live in Earth to live in Arkansas as opposed to but so we'll say in the midst of a shoot if you wanted to say that yeah and then and then and then following that and I think this is really where the mainstream was called World Etc as a problem that there's such an emphasis on living in Earth's thrill that it basically is basically there's a service an Unwritten an Unwritten code that says you have to come true we all know that the redness said that obviously obviously knew the the Beauty and the kashiba is very distroll more than if they make almost more than anybody but we know that the Reba's attitude was no a Jew good I think Mr said this earlier that a Jew goes where he could make an impact and um you know I'm just bringing them just sharing them just saying this over because I think it's so critical to look at what is what is the issue let's say now you know today in other words secular Zionism to the political Zionism we're not talking about that we're not talking about that it's a big brother the reason I'm just mentioning that is because when we talk about the issue of let's say a person just simply living there and just throw you know and then that makes him a Jew the religious Zionism religious Zionism doesn't say that [Music] said that I'm just saying that today we know that second of Zionism is like right um anyway um I yeah I I believe I addressed your points when into is there that if that's the sheet of the day it's uh online we're just discussing the idea that that you know that's it it is what it is so if that's the sheet of religious Zionism today it's not a problem a problem it just seems to heat from to me from here that in 1980s when this was written the bureau felt that there still the misrahi and they are good as certain ones were were still of not that opinion that that's all I could say I I don't know the inner makings and it's 40 years later yes sir this question just brings up memories of conversations that I would have when I was living in the United States in a very modern Orthodox community and the state of Israel were doing many things which were contrary to halacha and I would ask my religious Zionist friends what takes precedence or the good of this the good of the state and they could not cancer on the side of the code how can you justify moving equipment out Shabbos because you don't want to come okay right so so much of that that's that's your answer you know whatever if that changed I mean listen my my wife's uncle Rabbi Magnus is a main in yeshivas Marcus and Rob and he's a tremendous you know and you know and I have and three quarters of a classic I'm just saying I you know but but is there you know you know again is there to to be fair um you say religious zionists you know there's that modern element of religious I'm of Teaneck New Jersey you know what I'm saying that's one or the five towns that today Five Towns already is more right wing certain ones but yeah yeah it is let's learn a little more inside do we have a time I don't know what time is it now I don't know what time okay a few more minutes so we're in the second paragraph um says no connection whatsoever with the nationalism of the Zionism this idea is the is the total opposite and it's a it's a war against someone doesn't have any brains in his head um and he sees everything very superficially they could bad mouth Lubavitch the bad mouth of Polish in this one breath in this in the same breath but what's the difference between the Bible they say the same thing with him that also Sinners of Israel are Jews um and therefore they're totally disregarding Toyota being the icker a foreign they give strength to Zionism now I know this is not popular today in most Chabad houses trust me if they see this they're gonna cover their head an embarrassment nothing to be embarrassed about is negative finished that there's no there's no there's no Grace very black and white now you know you wanna doesn't mean you shouldn't live in Texas at all you should by the way I told you this is worth mentioning again Not only was the rabba rabbi salvation who is the father figure of why you and everything else right right when Rabbi when Rabbi um from a frat no the road grab every skin Rabbi Riskin came to his rabbit Rabbi salvation he says Rabbi I'm making Aliyah I want to make Aaliyah do you give me your brother he said no he says we need you here where are you running away after he told them and this and that he said go or or maybe even told him go to the Barbara ask him I forgot it's written up and risking himself tells the story my point is that this isn't just a Chabad thing this was a certain sheet whether it was brisk or it was elevation all the Babbage of the you know that that that again and let me say this and and this maybe we'll support what moisha said though if the Zionism is the way maybe it is today in the religious camps both salivation and the river wouldn't have a problem with it but that's the question I didn't mention this where you said like in the tequila like the feel of the The Limousines Israel the the it's like the it's like this okay okay that's for sure the races go to say to for sure but I'm saying if it's the Zionism that is mentioned before they would have a problem with if it's the Zionism that you spoke about Maisha forget about the racial School of Satan because that's that they both could have a problem with at all times never said no question about it because that's that's negative but I'm saying take that issue away from me that's the beginning of redemption if there's a religious lifestyle that's you that's your my behind that's your perspective let me just finish the paragraph so it says when you look carefully you see that Buddha support Zionism what do you tell the Jew Israel even though he sent his a jeweler by his personality without explaining what we said earlier in Yiddish means it resonates by him the engine you throw in your head Angel say something the concept from of being a Jew and being a sinner it's not a problem um and what further comes from this thinking is the the the Indian slope and you tell them that the Torah observance and Torah lifestyle in turn being the essence and and and and and the idea of being the Jew are two separate things and as is the underlying sheet of nationalism therefore has nothing to do with the religion you're telling me that even now I'm a Jew even though I sinned is therefore what do I have to do true we didn't learn the letter but over there the Hebrew volume there's the letters printed of Zionism nationalism and this you have to understand kevra and this is historically this is written Zionism okay again my well yes we are talking about 1900 1880 1890 1900 1910 1920 1930 those years gave Jews a an out and and you can't imagine how it impacted the most from boys of slav bucket and bad and here and there about less but it was a whole current and you had what to grab onto look at the pictures on the net look look you see secular no Yarmouth is no this no that they danced the horror and all that zionists Israel right now you know so the reper says that rashab says that if you interpret alphabetes with the sheet of Zionism if that's what your understanding is why should you take children that's the way it was they became not religious and and and they felt very proud of being Jews because they were zionists it's a very very it was a very sensitive clip I'm sorry to say that I know my father you know grew up in Romania and after the war they had like a Zionism was so powerful and and it swept you in so you didn't need to remain religious the religion wasn't relevant and this was at the core now again if the court changed no problem but if yield believes at least the 1980s the court hasn't changed the core idea hasn't changed and you know just for a moment that we finished now is you take you take our kids children and grandchildren great-grandchildren future Generations they talk about going to the Army right so again there are you going to the Army because of nationalism or you're going to the Army because the ablester says that we need energy slow and we need to protect energy slow you understand it's two different ways of going to the Army and I assume that idea and you know that that camp that's their belief I I believe that's right versus you know listen the French have an army the Russians have an army right um Alexis surroundings and Israel is an army too and so when you have a shoe that poses the saying for of the trila samadina for example if the opposition is because they believe again racist Google say no but that just going to the Army you're holy and that's what we're that's what this letter is is clarifying that that's what we're against not against the the kernel issue that ayed is and if that becomes your shita no problem and you know that the rapper just you know for the record the rabbit that was not for kids running you know getting excuses and getting out of the army of course you want preferred you should learn but he didn't have that sheeta where and Anders that that well I'm talking about in the last 60 years from 1948 not recently in the 19 20 30 years you know I'm talking about before so it's a it's a very a very delicate issue yes Maisha okay I just want to say disregard and last Point first of all today you see more and more or more and more Laboratories you know young young guys that are going to the Army right that's my son tells me that's what I hear right my sons have told me that you see that more and more but what's also interesting that you see also my understands more and more Chabad house when it comes to comes to Tara Chavez they said the mishabara for for sale for for for the Army here right but you know they say they say for Sal they're very they're very careful which we should better be made yeah I know I know but and I understand that I understand and and you know if it's not what's wrong to give up you know what I'm saying what the what the Chabad love and the Chabad house means is not necessarily what the Zionist behind them sitting and standing thinks I understand but again I'm saying and I and I'm I'm saying I I didn't do the Mark about house because I come from a different school you know it's hard for me too that's exactly the point 30 years ago 30 years ago for five houses weren't doing that right right no no you know like look at look at look at jlr I mean you we only do the jail like the the main yeah they bring you know every two years and then covert they took a break but they they bring these huge missions here and Powerful what you know the the top that's it army bases and they go to that so if that's all fine that what's wrong you know I'm just saying that's what I'm trying to say is I'm saying when we look at the that's what I'm trying to say that I think I think not like definitely not like 1920s definitely not like 1980. you know like I I can't hear I can hear it I can hear it listen every issue remember the rabbi from Rabbi Myers from the next door to his code is you know he he's one of the leaders or what you know in going up to the harabaya that's a very controversial issue as you all know so all of these issues you know now Robin Myers is is a strong sweet potato mixes okay you know I'm just saying so he's going to have a buy it is is one ideology the question you know since the issue becomes murky well do we do we do we say everyone in the Chicago should do that you know and it has to be done like you know I'm saying what's going on so we say no no you want to go to your own thing we're not going to make a shita out of it and say that you're a bad Jew if you don't go the Hulu or you know you're not living up to your potential and you know because we know how logic issues are where you're stepping and what you're doing and all that all I'm saying is that this is where we have you know disagreements but it's fine it's fine hey wearing trailers and there are four people in his his most others say we don't know for sure and yet I think you will all agree was a fine Jew and anointed that's true and a Hasidic Jew he weren't careless he was convinced in that moment Rabbi toersky was convinced that this is correct and I I and we you know you guys know him and I know him he wasn't a puppet he was a learned man in everything and he was a scholar and I'm sure he studied the whole sugiofreles and he came to the conclusion that it's it's okay no problem no problem yes hello I uh I once heard him say something along the lines of like well it couldn't hurt okay you know maybe maybe didn't know for for sure but it couldn't hurt fight in her fight what I'm saying is you talk to many others like it's what are you hacking a child you know where you drain a cup you know a mini guy was saying to be ordainer what your grandfather Stifler ready or the tone of rebbe or the square reppi or the chernobyla remedy they were trainless what are you doing and believe me he got a lot of flack for it trust me you know so you know we need to we need to the data Cloud you should know the sheet of the Babbage going back I share with you kevra you know 200 years of Leverage not just the populist the last 20 years you know with the big signs and the publicity I'm going I'm going to the core to this forum is live and not live Live and Let Live of an individual is motivated in a certain way nope the data Cloud no problem but when you go and you start making shits and you start saying it has to be this way you know that's that's a whole other genre of an experience and and that's where it becomes very very controversial you know but but as an individual take take for example we mentioned that Avi the safer cartel what's the name of the safer bunny do you know you know we're talking about you're talking about a Hungarian who comes from the same you know world as glazenberg and supper and mooncatch and that whole Chandra of individuals who we know about right and he goes and and writes and says that we have to think about Heritage Road and we have to look at it and everything else and that's when they say oh stop you were good till now now you you're going no so they throw them they throw them out and they do and and the day limit the literature did the same thing with Robin salivation you're good Kim now but as soon as you start with a little modernity or accepting modernity or or or giving hatharine that they didn't like you become a pariah that's loved African it's left Africa it's not necessarily so because these individuals were totally committed to their sheet and all that but they were honest people from a Salvation Garden this was his argument after the Holocaust he said he was not good this you know what I'm salvation wasn't a goodest and then he said after the Holocaust I came to understand and realize that Hashem wants something else that's what he came to with his brains that's it you know you don't have to go along with them but that's he was an honest person the rabbit you know who's very much a traditionalist he he came he he announced different things that his father-in-law and and the Rashad didn't and and the rabbit clearly said the time requires this approach now and he would show how if the rashab lived in that time or the previous rapper they would he didn't say this but this was intimated in his words they would support this because he followed them because he was just he saw himself as a successor and he wouldn't be an innovator nevertheless this was the case I heard the scrapyo professor Don Seaman my friend from Emory right that you studied history Professor he told me and this is when when I brought him to the bill to have a discussion so he said to the he said to review what the rabbit speaks about seven no height Mitzvahs reaching out he says we never saw this in Judaism and he relates to it he's a keeper Nick you know he has no problem with it but he's he's looking at the bigger picture since when do we make a campaign to go out and teach people seven minutes explained to him he said listen when I was a a boy you know to go out on on not this engulf new on that next street the popular Street next to disengoff not then you would forget uh whatever thank you Allenby he says to go on an island be and stop someone to put on filling you'd be out of your mind it just wasn't done we had either just an a secularistic he says when I was growing up in Tel Aviv he says and that appetite didn't speak about going out to Alan B in 1952 and 53 because the time wasn't right but then as things were becoming going to the right more and more that ever said go out to Allenby without saying those words go out to The Boondocks go out to Albuquerque to go out here and there why because now the there was a change from the ableston Hashem says now the time is right so therefore now in 1983 when the river announced this the whole idea of seven minutes now the time is right for sure but it's not that the ideas puzzle is invalid the idea was always caution but then the world wasn't a vessel for it and now the world is a vessel for it and guess what people a lot of people say we disagree no problem it's agreed Everyone's entitled and what they you know but but don't tell me that his point was he was telling to Don Steven he was telling him that that it's but it's a Kiddush that has its its core in Torah and in in the realm of of of kirov but just that time it wasn't the world wasn't ready and now the world is ready and that's and that's the difference that's all so Taco during their shops times they're a shop had to take a more Vigilant opposing view to Zionism because Zionism was killing our youth and they didn't and they said we have Zionism we don't need to be religious look at all pictures in all of our families including my own the beard went off the yamakas went off the shapeless went off and they started to dance and horrors of schmores and boroughs and and and and nothing and then punished and what happened their kids weren't religious and then they married out many and and a Petaluma I think I told you Petaluma in in Marin County where I was in Marin County petaluma's next County over it was a conservative show had pictures in the hallway in the in the Social Hall all year 1920s because they wanted to make over there the chicken farms the keyboards in we're the kids I asked there was still some older I remember I contacted them they're lutherans sorry we have lutherans from this Zionism lutherans could believe nothing remains goodness you gotta see the pictures hundreds of people social or playing cards having a good time all eaten what happened to grandkids and great grandkids this is finished yes in Petaluma there are also they they became deadheads oh yeah what the Petaluma is the seat of the deadheads is it great yeah that's that's uh heart and that's all of the Grateful Dead Society oh I didn't know that okay I thought it's Berkeley so it's not Berkeley it's Petaluma okay anyway camera good for bringing in good conversations see everyone tomorrow as I give them bye