Zionism #12- How do you know if a Jew really wants to do G-d's Will? Get refusers and force

so on page um static test and the safer um Hashem more and more people are getting involved in the learning here the safer whether it's YouTube or whatever so um all of all of us together are giving the Jewish people a great contributions by learning this and I really want to thank I think was moisha one of the others over you guys to pushing me to to learning to learning this because it wasn't my agenda it's not technically hasidis you know we're supposed to be learning how cities although it's really awesomeness but we're at the point here with that ever brought an Evan ezer right which says when a mummer a Jew is called the Israel Israel Boomer his rebellious Jewel and that's a halach category okay when he marries a Jewish woman and it gives condition the condition is valid not invalid says that what do we see from here that the essence of a Jew is this Yiddish kite not his nationality that's that's the trajectory that we're on and we're still in middle so let's continue last paragraph on page subject tests Satan Mazuma sinu and even more so we find deep down in the heart of every Eid wrote Set again in bold he desires he wants he's determined with kayem called mitzvah if he knows it's a mitzvah if it comes aware that he's a Jew and it becomes a way that what what God is he comes away with with a Mitzvah is when that all comes together he says hey this is the best thing like on the you know Under the Sun like like I've told you one of the country out there in bechemist without mentioning names you know told me told me to these ears that how do you become about sugar and was overnight amazing he says a friend of mine met him when he was a student on in Manhattan somewhere and and he said that you want to put on Films he said what's thrilling they expecting twin was what a Jewish must do from the age of three and he said she says and it's a midse he said what's a mitzvah to explain their Mitzvah means a commandment but it really means a connection to God and this is what God wants of you to do he said God wants of me to do this I'll start doing it and the rest was history because he told me this himself that it's like the light bulb went off there's a God he's talking to me and he wants me to do something specifically when all those three came together and and clicked now you know it's an unusual story because usually for most balichuva it's not that that's not the trajectory that's not the way it goes but then the kudas is that whenever whenever we wake up from our dreams and our uh darkness and our you know stuff and and we come in touch with who we really are as as a yeet writes it we want sir abuel says continue it now he brings another Rambo and I'm sorry now he brings a rambam before he brought from Evan Ezra right it's good for you to make a mark of which sections in in in negla in talmud and halacha that refers to so you could kind of use him later if you need to refute someone who gives you a hard time and says Ah he's not a Jew he doesn't keep potato Mitzvahs so commercials we know that when you give a get you have to give it voluntarily and he rules that if coffee kaifen if you force someone to give a gift and you give the get and he said he says I want to look in the parenthesis basically it's what's happening today you know to get the the to get the nut liars and I'm sorry to get refusers and you say I'm going to break your bones or you're going to be on in a grave you better give your get and begrudgingly they give the gift the rambam rules it's a good get what's what's the logic he actually cites that on but let's look at the lotion in the right to the God is someone doesn't want to divorce he doesn't want to give a divorce again since the this is the language of the Lamb of sins he wants to be a Jew but it's a whole lot is called a Mitzvahs and he wants to be to do the mixers and to distance himself from the transgressions foreign overpowers him Abram you following the keeping hookah and since he was hit they beat him I should touch us let's pay start with cuff page 100 after Tasha's yitzroy gave him zets and they say the yatesahara is now schwacht is weakened so amen he says right sunny I want to give to get I want to give the get why because they're beating him up keep shooting he's getting beat that's what it says in the rambam okay quote from the rambam this is already considered that he's given the get lyrics so I know you wow willingly what do you mean willingly they're beating him that's really only a superficial part because and overpowering him but at the inner intent and the truth quote Rachel losses Cola Mitzvahs he wants to omitous I can't tell you Hebrew how many times did I ever repeated Islam but thousands of times I heard it from them thousands the 20 the 25 plus years standing at five brain is listening from my childhood on this was because this was this is a this is push for for outreach and and the whole her thoughts um and houses and that whole thing this rambam is a is a yasod just know that this Rambo foreign if the then for whatever reason does not give place to force him to give a gift and the best and went ahead and forced the vonsuhu as I who get puzzled then that cat is an invalid get Sue right because it wasn't coming from him he didn't really want to do it yes Maisha what's the word again what is the word what was that I believe on Soul means and they forced yeah and they first how do you get possible because it's a death puzzle because they forced the Israel or maybe the word unsue means the Russian Italian tested testing him in the sense of [Music] yeah on this in other words it's not an onus it's not a test it's not an accident but but then the is it's a get puzzle it's an invalid get another example get bottle because this is a case of uh of a get that was um when a guy a guy uh kind of tested him a guy guy forced him in into it it's all you know tested forced it he was he was put into predicament Bible it's no good machine came nishaifa the goddess if the bin says that we have a right to force him to divorce do what the Jews are telling you who get cautioned it's a get cushion so without going into all the issues but basically the idea is does besden have a right to force him to give a get so in those predicaments where best and does have a right even though he doesn't superficially want to give it and then he says I'm giving it because he's kind of forced into it but best has a right at that time to force him it's a good get in a situation when Destin doesn't have a right to force him and that is forced either by this way or that way that it's no good gift but he said I next paragraph says this is a something that that that um what's the English it makes the the Ryan the mind the Wonder in other words it's it's so uh far out it's so mysterious it's so unexpected here's a Jewish he doesn't want to listen to Bastion foreign he doesn't know that you think he knows he yeah look he doesn't know if the person have a right to force me or not right and what and if they do is this still a good kid he doesn't know that over investor told he doesn't know his best to make a mistake where it didn't make Mr Hunter said then he doesn't know all these things but Alpha became nevertheless omaris Titus the Titus of Truth says when the din does not allow for forcing someone to give a get then the get that is given being forced is invalid to get Australia but it's so you know the logic being because he divorced not willingly not with his real desire and will conversely because when the den says you can't force him who writes of the Goddess writes who writes of the Goddess because he really deep down wants a divorce in other words Heaven I promise in other words if Desmond says that you can force him that means best and the same and Torah is saying that the truth is he wants to give it you hear that and ifbestos says in a certain case you can't force him then best than saying that he has a right not to give it and he doesn't want to give it that's the question answer the question is is he is is he giving the get but that's the criteria for a gift being valid so the fact what would you say what I didn't know that I can't hear you what how will the best did know that no no the bet the best the term is it nah the best determines it on this on the situation the scenario whether there's a halachic permission to force him or not in other words let's say like this again you have to look up the converters in the fortune but you have a time to give a get what if you I want to get now and business says Sorry Charlie give it three months I had a case with I told you this also several times someone wanted to get and I said no wait and he waited three months I want to get no wait another three months in other words so best gives me a right of the saying to so what if you if you say no I want to write now I don't care I want to write now too bad business not gonna support that and if it gives a get that get is invalid so what I'm saying is is there there are scenarios when it's not out he didn't the best and cannot force out people now but if there are certain amount of time and certain criteria and they tried this and they tried that and he still doesn't want to give a guess best and can force him and and it's a good game yes motion you want to say something I just want to clarify what you're saying just because I was committed it was slightly confusing from you said like let's say he wants to give a get and Basin says no given three months I mean you're saying basically saying you know what try to work and solve the new shoes don't don't get divorced something like that something like that I'm not saying that's the only scenario but something like that you just said no you sort of said the opposite which was no I'm saying whenever when Benson determines he'll interest me a logical question it's asked how do we know how does best how does best know right so the answer is best knows what based on the criteria of of Taylor and if Titus says now it's acceptable to force him that that's that's what Destin does so best doesn't know what's going on in his heart he does he doesn't want Desmond looks at the objective truth to tell you what does the title say in this situation it's like with Aiden with with Witnesses too you guys I'm sure have learned you know you say you were there how could you appear you were over there yesterday in the same time all these questions determine whether it's now acceptable to say give the get I'm not sure what you want to say this is interesting because you in two different scenarios you've got a scenario where he wants to give the get for the base didn't say no try to work it out try to work it out or you have the absence in a situation where the guy's saying that he doesn't want to give the get and based in he's like based in his basically saying there's nothing to talk about here you know he's got to give the gift and he keeps saying no no no but obviously basically saying oh you gotta you should give they need to give to get you need to get it isn't it right right right back I I I I I want to listen I don't have that album in front of me give me Shabbos I'm going to take out the rambam I want to look into the rambam and I'll give you examples more properly yes I've run okay one question about dolphins yes today criteria how much force they can use to get into to sign again I don't think so he can't die no it it says mockingley so you beat him it doesn't say uh again I want to look into him a version Maybe Maybe I'm Wrong maybe they're you only give him five bangs and not seven I I don't know my recollection is that you could you could Mama you could beat him you beat him to the point where he says once he says rights on me stop you can't give him one extra sense in other words the beating here is not you know there is a purpose to get him to say rights I need and I know I know that it sounds so superficial and and and and and and and Abuelo is explaining that that based on what the rambam says that this is what he wants I mean they're literally knocking because you're literally knocking you're locked you're knocking is the the sense in you that's what you're trying to do you're knocking the senses you're just trying to and and his senses and his senses in the senses is who he really is exactly yo in other words your your your your work you're looking to get him in touch with his true Essence as Aid and if the Torah says in this case give a get then you as a yeed must give a gift you know it's so it one second yeah listen it's so um contrary to Western way of thinking this is like that it it makes no sense and it makes no sense because what you're knocking sense I'm telling you I don't want to do it what do you mean mocking sense so what this is exactly that what the bio was writing that the Titan the rambam he says see that's what you got we got to move ourselves we got to remove ourselves from the way we feel about it and even we think about it look at the the rambam the rambam says look at this based on a good murder and what you see from it is that what the the the the is that this is Taylor and tater establishes the criteria and that's the answer so interests a very good question but the answer to the question is that the best based on Teller determines the situation and that becomes the reality of the person and that and what I just said now that's the way that's the way to to look at Tita Tita creates a situation not we create the situation try to create situation the Bible is a tasteless I think is in the hill himself it's neither there's a place for somewhere with the absolutely with the with the the Virgin and and the the Dom and all that now the exact example but uh the the the taiser says that when they're abundant established with different issues over there with the neither is anyone know what I'm talking about you know what I'm talking about so the the dinosaur says over there that becomes Tighter and this is as uh approved you know in the labor secrets and all that and Abuelo's writings this in other words again the title establishes the criteria of the of of the virgin in other words it's not that her body establishes that she's a virgin it's the title that establishes that she's a virgin do you hear the difference it's a very very important difference endowed to that in chapter 41 when he talks about Kabbalah soil he says about Taylor amen and the Torah says you should listen to Hashem so the question is what do you mean of course you're fully especially about what is the answer have to say about I'll tell you what amen said we all explained to us when we learned the success it's not that you have to have a couple of soil because it's the right thing to do to respect your parents and be obedient no since the title decides and says you should have Kabbalah sailing it becomes valid if the potato would not say it would mean it would be meaningless it'll be a good thing and this argument by the way it refutes that thing I I want to I'm a good person I'll go to a mountain I'll go here there and help people very nice you're good you're not holy and I've spoken about this many times there's a difference between goodness and Holiness is established by a Cutlass goodness is humanity so goodness is the best of humanity it doesn't yet mean godliness yeah listen what do you want to say um and tell the guy not to leave again so when you beat the guy up you actually beat him yeah [Music] right you 've been yes and the rambam says that exactly you said the rambam says continue the car shall run in the third paragraph the fifth line now the beginning you see is there when Ben says you can force him then that then then we consider it that he wants the divorce and if you're somebody doesn't have the pellet this is this is perplexing here is a Jew doesn't know the dead but Allah in one scenario that rambam says it's considered that he's doing it willingly in another scenario when a guy did this or something else it's considered he's being forced into it why it ain't this if he doesn't want to do it why is it considered saying it when a guy twists his hand and tells him to do it without the permission of best in we say no it's not a good day it's not right it's not a good it's not a good thing in other words like this you know that if you're going to hire someone to force somebody to give a get and best didn't give you the green light it's an invalid get you need a business to establish it is now acceptable to do that okay that's Brazil proportions The Bureau says the answer and the difference is very simple the whole every Jew has in the shama that is this is what the anus was saying earlier and feels the den unto the Sham of the Soul wants to fulfill the deal with therefore made a mistake and alpidin he's not obligated to be my goddess commercial and he still says I want to say it's because they hit him best made a mistake in the ruling this is the rambam over there and therefore he says rights on me and we say it's invalid because he didn't because he's not obligated to do it doesn't obligate him because conversely but when the din says that you can play for noisy Lord goddess you can't force him to divorce very deep in his heart from the perspective of his soul who races why he call you because every Jew blamedically above him the depth of his heart he inherently feels the command of Hashem foreign [Music] doesn't give any criteria but shut up ask him and all the other possibilities they didn't write you know that you know when when someone gives one second is you know when it's good a good get if you have a beard they don't have a beard it shows you don't know and and we and we can't do it that rambam didn't write that and give you an example that I'm saying how big the Yarmouth is that I'm gonna say what kind of glasses he says he wrote Allah and it's for every single year let me just finish the paragraph is there one second therefore we derived from the salamba because the rambam is she called you who did everything even someone who God forbid as a clay for it denies God forbid Marshall K fed the the that that he denies it's only this is a superficial superficiality the fishing yesterday we should talk it because the gates are horror overpowers him after premium the truth has been something to show them away from the perspective of his soul well my mashem his brother he believes in God will take us but inside he feels even the details of today he wants to do that yes yes sir why couldn't I take this very argument and flip it on its head I'm now a satma and I have my Rabbi and maybe I have a president of Summer dayanim who say you know these hidden are mistaken they're really true hidden but they need to have their nonsense beaten out of them so that they come to understand the truth is it's just their yet Sahara that's making them want to X Y or Z one second I but are these is this group that you're describing whoever they are calling these Eden they're showing Wicked people call them what you want so that's the that's the mistake that's that's the mistake that's what Abuelo was saying throughout this countries they're not a Cheyenne the Toyota says they're not ashamed they're just as good as the guy with the beard and you the supper and the bubble event the babature okay look at what we call it but the idea that uh beat the sense into him to allow his his true nashama to come out he's just been confused and he's been brainwashed by these and he just okay out the garbage the garbage is also being the sense but in a different way in a way of love that's all I'm just saying but this argument seems to me to fall into the hands of of uhmar yes yes there's a reason why we go after people because they need to know this isn't the real inside needs to come out and right now it's being all covered okay but but we have a general so we have to fall back one second heal it one second we have to fall back on on what we learned earlier it's not that you have to Le real could be a after love I'm sorry when you're gonna slap someone when you slap someone in the face is that for your hot dog and don't and then don't and don't tell me this tough love with your hostile means give him a hug give him a kiss bring him to your table and be nice not you're a shaggins [Music] to make an argument just for this no I I know I know I know Israel I understand but with dialogue I understand I understand and what I'm saying is and that if y'all said it earlier he's saying that we the Babbage too says that what determines a yeet is this Yiddish kite not his nationality which means Terra Mitzvahs but the difference is in Divya hafta and the approach so how could you tell me and argue that by beating him and hitting him um oh so you say it's real after and and one second and one second I I think I hear something that you said that I think you were trying to say that when they go to their best and they beat it's like beating the get refuser and it's considered it and it's right it it is right but no one says that they're beating to get refusing you don't find that anonymous calls you'll have to so we have another Mitzvah in the Torah we don't have to pay the climb the base in Kanye but teach us how to apply criticism in a manner of you have to so so to say I'm hitting you and I'm beating you and give your get and I love you you love me you love me you love me take me on a vacation take me to a bar let's have a drink open up my head what am I doing with my life and being a car of me bring me in the guy I'll give it get on his own I promise you I promise you if it's money uh you know you want money you deserve some money we'll get you some money anyway hello I'm sorry you wanted to say something I was just gonna ask um what other suggests in halaka do we uh do we basket like this it seems like this is a very unique case this is this is this is yeah so it doesn't transfer I mean you can't you can't uh you can't apply this as a cloud because and in other situations correct correct correct past game based on the Rambo right right you understand what Hitler said is Sir that's also important he's right this is a unique logo but again but it's that if if someone who or you throw murmur his Israel more many gives a cat the get is a get yes so you have to analyze clearly but we were talking Hillel I mean the insert I think was done psychologically the argument is you have a business so if the best then says you can give me he's it's right to give a get right so then it's rights I need so that's why Issa was asking so to suck my best and these guys will say it's right to go and beat them and and all that and so the answer is that's nothing you have to yeah you're you're right in the objective to to get a Jew to be in touch with his Essences the shaman to follow us in yes that's it for the question is how do you do it so I'm pleased we had this discussion because you have to you know you can't just take one paragraph and you have to look at the whole scenario okay very good discussion very good learning as we we again listen you know and and we all know that uh there's another side that disagrees that you know we're not going to change the world but but but you know what abiola did here because the and and he had an opportunity because they were asking this question and they were bait so he by writing this elaborate refutation with art logical arguments based on and sources the the recipients again I don't know if they changed their view but there's no question that they read it that I know and it made a big difference and and I know when this safer came out it was given to a a a prominent supper rather than what in Woodridge Woodbridge up in Catskills who was fighting yeah fighting both Bridge Rabbi Leibowitz I think his name fiery fiery the South mercy of kanois and he read they got we got him to save her and he read it and he said afterwards we have to stop teaching our youth this shita because it won't work and this guy is like the most kanoi I'm not saying that he changed the shita I didn't say that but he realizes that so so you know in a must get us when there's when there's dialogue you can you can get something done if there's no no dialogue and it's just emotions and your rep is speaking of my red being all that stuff it's a waste of time and don't even waste your time just go on because you're pure the waste of your time but if you come sit down by the table you say are you ready for discussion you know can we have an honest discussion you bring your proofs I'll bring my proofs and we'll talk about it I think uh you know we'll definitely get some and and also it's for ourselves I mean to say it's for the that part a majority of Claudia so that that doesn't have the you know anti-zionist canoes but nevertheless you know there's the you know the nevertheless tier one tier two you know are you a rabbi and a clay coordination or are you a businessman you know you're second hand and what do they teach the kids of bed shamish because I know I spoke to them oh you know you have to just be a Benco you didn't stay stay being a Ben Taylor if you're a doctor if you're a therapist if you're a musician if you're an artist and we have to accommodate these guys too but they're not the real thing the real thing is that one will stay is all his life this is a response to that too you understand it's not just for the for the end that's a response too is that the essence of Tata is that view of of this tier system and and because they're conclusion a rabbi and all that a schliach it's not being discussed you know more and more it puts you the rapper the rapper ever said that you're a Schleich you're more special than another liberature it's a fallacy a fallacy to do such work my sphere was a Russian Yeet he knew nothing about he knew you have to serve a ship and the Styles try to kill you and you help another Eid that's what he did today they would call that schwichis no no but my friend wasn't Sleepless it was doing what I God says every Eid of all time and everywhere and that's the MS that's the MS now that doesn't mean to say that someone is a a robe and a Ben Taylor shouldn't be a bit more because says that they should be given more covered okay yeah because there's a system and there's an honorable system and a good system and if we break down the system and we say no you know there's no there's no more covert should be given to to to a love than to to to about a bus that's not true I remember once that ever spoke that they didn't give the love of 770 um aceres at debris Ash voice a celebrity is he said I never understood things our love is the love is represents Taylor so when you have that status you the tradition is you give the love that you must give the love and you're violating this and this but that's the way it's been done so that's a healthy system to go and be movable the system it's not right so you know we have to you know balance properly but at the same time the attitude is that I'm better than you because you know that that Skyview anyway enough said have a great job and see everyone on Monday zygous bye-bye thank you