Zionism #11- Is a Jew who converted still a Jew? Yes - Torah proofs - Rebellious Jew

getting out we're on page Sati Express and I see Usher here yeah yes before you go on two two questions about what you just said yes um I have a safer called Cole Hunter that's it by hello something of schlub same safer no I don't think so he was atonement of the gra and it's about I don't know oh so maybe that is the safe I thought I thought it was sort of a knock on Kasher who he was he was a a great talmouth who lived I think he came from Poland I think there is role and he wrote the safer called Torah shlim I think uh large set of homoshim finding sources uh and um he wrote it was a big town but uh you're telling me that Cola tour is not from him or is the two swarm color tour is it whatever right that would be my question okay well I'll look for it yeah I'll look it up later I'll look it up later anyway we want to welcome Usher uh Braun who's a student today I don't know how long he'll be on but uh I'm glad you're here okay I was I was wondering I was wondering I was gonna ask you what are those windows in the background ah you're you're in the Yeshiva bucket today you're it's that the it's father and son and so like it's great great I found it it's it's called the call mature nishma about Cena the voice of the turtle dove by hello for a relative and student of the gum okay okay other void okay very good okay let's let's before we continue inside let me give you the background of what's happening right now in this text on page has the last paragraph we'll give shortly the rep is addressing the issue issue of nationalism Khan based on citizen the Rebel's writings is addressing this issue and and it basically says that the idea that what makes a Jew a Jew nationalism is queera [Music] okay it's and explain why it's clear up because a Jew is begins with within the shaman that's what makes you a Jew not your nationality okay now there he went and he said that there are some groups and included some misrahic groups and even our good groups who who say otherwise and he's he's refuting their argument what's their argument he says that they point to a gamer and Sanhedrin Israel even though a Jew sinned he's a Jew he's a yehudi how did they do how did they learn to skin mother that even if you don't accept terrific and even if you opposed to your midst you're still a yehudi so they use that Kamara to support their argument that here you see it's all about nationalism there is yehudi as a nation and they use that gamara to support to support their argument so so is now going to refute this argument left and right okay let's go that's a in other words the question is what establishes being a Jew you always say if you're born to a Jewish mother or you had a proper Jewish conversion you would you well we know that but the next step is so if you identify with nationalism according to the philosophy of nationalism you should become a Jew and if you said like the Russians you're a Russian you live in their country you speak their language or the or the French so the nationalism is so too with amn Israel and the and the proof is that the gemara says that even if Carter even if he sinned he's still a Jew so big deal he sinned Arabia says and this is like a a reverse psychology because what I'm gonna say now explaining what he says that if you don't accept her in Mitzvahs it might take it could be a Jew but you're not really a Jew they're like you know which you know you always hear the the Chabad says otherwise he's not saying you're not a Jew but he's saying that your Judaism is is not is has to be terrific that's what makes you a Jew not just because you live in there it's just wrong and you speak Hebrew that's the argument that that's going on here and that that that ravioli was addressing I just want to make sure you understand what we're about to tackle okay let's go to another bottom oh no however this sheet is proof Visa myself which is Israel look at the the last five five words seven words and the last paragraph you see them in the last paragraph um so that's what he's referring to he says even though they bring this rayam hirayasi he says this is a foolish in other words they're misinterpreting the Gamora and using it for their foolishness and you know you do it and he starts now a very long a very long discussion so that's why you have to know what this long discussion is getting at because he's going to go away in many many tangents in this discussion but you need to remember what it's what he what he's discussed why he's going into it is to argue the point that the when the gemara says even though you're a sinner even though a Jew sinned he's a Jew doesn't mean doesn't equal that you don't that your nationalities because you're you you're born a Jew and you live in there it's just real and you accept nationalism it that's not what the Gomorrah means okay so that's what he's that's what he's out to explain now look further um he says it's known as written him and he swim in this world it's explained well Antonio and in many places what is that yes it comes from the Jewish people the Jewish people yes the only God the only Hashem and even when this Yeet who has this the shovel we'll do all the sins in the world like I have there will change William said about himself or the commodities right the worst of the worst sins I mentioned this yesterday regarding with Leona's comment about them a Jew with a self-hained Jew we know cities explains you could do the worst at Vedas you still if you're a Jew you have in the summer top of patriotic tests this this is it sustains the person's goof the Jews goof who can now as we said earlier regarding a Jewish even the Vitality that sustains the physical body in actuality kiss it's not coming from his Netflix Obama's it's coming from his gosh music in other words when you play sports well when you're a musician Avro and all that you need to know yeah you train and you practice very nice but the main highest what gives you the ability to play those chords and play the music and compose the music or whatever everyone here does the kashmias of your life it comes by a Jew but esim from daily kiss from the nishamba the the the the the Gulf the the training and the art the the artistic talent and the medical knowledge and everything that everyone does is a Kaylee to manifest what your nashama wants of you see you understand that that's the Kiddush in other words until the outlet I'm going to say tilty out to that the way Eden understood this whole the whole discussion of a Yates when the Yates Sahara was when you do something good yeah it's a Horrors acting when you do something bad she gates are telling you do something he ate Sahara so in other words oh and when you do something neutral it can go either way Dalton Tanya says no everything that a Jew does is associated with an efficiently kiss within the shamba when he does something bad then the Sham has been tracked the sun has taken Siege but it's the Sham expressing itself through the confines at that time of the nepheus do me a favor yeah thank you bison so that's what we say here when it comes to Sinners Zeb Helen it's only concealed it's not like the argument there you're going You're a you're a guy you're not Jewish wrong you're a liar you are a Jew nervous then it's be hella it's concealed okay and even by those that are deniers in other words there's two things one second there's Hellam and as hell in the comedy yes you see the difference someone who who's a porscheia a sinner himself the godliness by him is concealed Helen someone that's even worse that not only is a sinner but denies God that's in other words not intentionally has to show them in such a case that the concealment's even greater called a hella Montgomery mostly I want to put this a paragraph and then I'll give you a chance okay as this is explained in many swarm not only hasidis because you learned me Prague the morale you'll see that this concept is is full he elaborately explained in them around and it gives you a reference you could look into Nets of Israel this one one section of morale pedicate divided the morale speaks there about our upcoming December 25th individual who called in in hazal that man referring to you know who so the marawa I believe I didn't have the same friend I didn't look it up but I believe he's saying that I mean he was Aid but he was a ye that was a Clifford so the hell am is even greater but no one's gonna say that he wasn't a Jew not only wasn't that he lost his jewishness he didn't lose his join this yes he'll neither have been a conversion because he went through all the two men just like someone who grew up Christian and becomes discovers themselves needs to have a rabbinic conversion that's all true it's technicalities important ones and they have to be done but but don't say that uh that that that that he's not you know he's not a Jew fighter but I am safer different safer than but I'm sorry I'm at 152. this is the what he says there you understand I can't see your face put up your camera please rebelled it's called the Israel mumar even a Jew that re rebelled against his religion vehicle avedis Zulu and he did such a Venus one greater than the other even though he did these terrible things Israel the Rapture who wasn't accosted and wasn't a laborator he says he said you know puts him in bold look over there you'll see a lot more about this another reference began the response of the Raj that was mentioned earlier in the letter here says that's referring to a measurement someone who was converted to Christianity foreign he still called children to God he converted I'm assume it and it's very much it's just halakas that follow that instruct us what I'm assuming can do and not do nevertheless they're still called bonim lamokin because they never lost their jewishness first I have to take motion then I you know what I think some of my questions were answered that I originally wanted to ask but I'm going to ask another question this is for me um I've actually never I've heard about the things that the reveal is just speaking about but I've never seen them to this degree and I'm just curious it's just a side question where where would one find these halachas regarding a person who a Jew that converted but you know he's this is a very I I believe you begin in the rambam you know again is it all systemized in one area no but the rambam speaks about a year well you go back to the good murder let me start this physical models and from the camera that clarifies it then but he's quoting here three swarms that are you know the repsody and the maharaji talking about later but you know but they like you say they base it on the gamara and on um but I I would say that there's a lot in the rambam hilu some similar kind of question did did you did you I didn't understand what you meant when you said that Oso aish he would have to go through a rabbinic conversion no no no no no no because he was I I I I I I I put them together but I didn't I I that's not what I meant to say I meant this okay oh maybe I did say it yes yes uh someone who converts that would have been a conversion yes so so wait a second somebody who converts somebody is a Jews born a Jew who converts to another religion a religion a religion that a religion that is against that that is by the Zara okay not Muslim not Muslim like I'm not sure I don't think it applies to becoming a Muslim okay so if they they um yeah they convert to another religion that's in a vote they convert to an about Azura yeah if they then want to do chuva yes they have to do they have to do what they have to go to a business and the best them will ask him to go to the Mikvah and do our toughest down bris [Music] yeah I I noticed that someone in Seattle years ago I saw a letter from that ever and and the river the the schlier I guess had written to the web about about the sugar and it came to Chabad house and all that and uh the situation was that he was involved with with Christianity and other religions before so they have a wrote ISRO mummer he's a yid that has rebelled and therefore he's a yeet but nevertheless he needs to have a bit of conversion and go to their abundant to facilitate it okay I wasn't familiar with that hold up yeah yeah okay my comfort is that a second paragraph who moving Gamba say rabio says I've quoted I've cited for you he says three sources in how in halal kind of let me tell you that this is also uh it's understood intellectually okay that's strength is he takes everything and he brings it down to say let's see how he argues this point I'll be saying yesterday we learned that uh it's brought down us for him that Yeadon Jews are soogies and bold you see Hillel they're of a different category it's not just a different type a different type of degree it's not a matter of degree it's a matter of a different category from other all other humans and it's brought down into this showing them so since this is the case I have though and it's similar to the difference between sugamadabir with sugakai between the human species and the living species he says that even though I'm bringing you an example it's it's much more than the example the moral is much more than the example right in other words you can't compare the humans speak the living species to the human species the human species is of a different category completely than the living species how they push it it is simple the commercial communism is that other medicine it's a self-understood that anyone that comes That's The Offspring of Adam of first man yes he will always remain a human being below your happiness he will never become an animal even though over there in Tanakh right when he's punished for doing what he did and it says he walked on his floor and he looked like an animal he looked like an animal and and according to kabbalistic writings he he at that time got the the the book of of an animal soul that went into him it's all nice and fine and dandy but he was a human being you can walk on four and you could be impossessed by an animal soul but you are a human so he says the same thing over here so God keeps you he's not commitment even when it went when when a human will conduct himself like an actual animal he's still a human become okay but nevertheless he'll still be in the category of a madaga of a human well there are some of the gay who shot us with themselves also through the garden the other domains Shanghai an animal no way shape or form than us that an animal can become a vegetation vegetative even in the animal kingdom itself his name is in in in in is in in abbreviation and bold so too and even much more but the gaelius role regarding a Jew the makiver since I have a different category with a different soul I.E The Godly Soul than the shama ISRO whoever comes from the Jewish people will always remain in this category jump up and down backwards before he's dip in the water eat and you know go to to the to all the religious Christian nonsense if you still eat you still eat well who should come make you show everybody but hell and beneficially kiss because by a yeet there's always concealed and efficiently here's the Godly Soul that's attached to God but right to the kindness of his face up and desires to fulfill his mixes but later yes not only does he have concealed within himself The Godly Soul he is he's never shall a kiss is his essence his primary Essence to the point that even his physical life in truth and in paines it comes whenever the kids like I said before paragraph third one two three four third battle yes I'm sorry yes so just just to go back for a second so the whole issue about a rabbinic conversion because the moon runs up with he's still he's still a Jew but the rabbinic conversion was like a technicality yes in other words there have been a conversions to get rid of all the Schmutz that he he has on his clothing but his Essence is it doesn't mean to say you want to give him a leave you're probably not allowed to give him Aaliyah right okay with that but you know and and that people and that people play around with you know I'm saying I'm not going to go into it but but technically there's certain things you're not allowed but doesn't mean it's not to eat right but for example that not giving an Aliyah is that in the same status so to speak let's a person who's uh again refuser right let's say we would say happiness don't don't give him you have to ask a rough I would say no I would answer no to that question but you know you have your abundant and I would say no if you're asking me if I logically in other words a get refuser I I believe this even if they're kind of stretching the law to say it is that I'm telling you what I think I I I didn't study it so I the answer is I don't know but but but but but this idea of of a of a moment this is in this is not you know rabbis today having to come up with what are we going to do with gays and lesbians and transgenders you know that's already all new stuff and and and I'm not you know I'm saying it they're abundant that study this and they take agrais but this issue of Israel murmur this is like basic today you understand foreign wants to emphasize and he does this isn't just an idea that's broken he says really that it's at that it's adequate really whatever a future student will come up with given to moshan Sinai so so if it says I don't see this it's part of Torah but he says even if you don't want to accept that you don't like that type of a you got a citation you could take it out and look it up especially now that you're in Yeshiva you got a day Yeshiva to do this it says in Evan Ezra Simon mendalit chapter 44 Chief test paragraph 9 wow when a mummer when someone who's a rebellious Jew I.E you know some little converted etc etc he decides to bring to bring say to bring a set to give a sacrifice to the base of mignus and he says this animal that I have in my backyard it should be for the base amigdas the Rob he says the the sack in evanes there is is sorry I'll take that back why did I say that sorry terrible not an animal marriage foreign about marriage a murmur is under the Hooper okay is getting married and he says to the Kalah is that considered a condition it's he said that's what he says in Evan Ezra right away I knew it's the wrong type of evanescence not the laws of sacrifice ever that's in the laws of marriage and divorce so it says in in Evanescence which speaks about the laws that the condition of a murmur is complete condition one second motion foreign and even the children that are born from him while he's still a mummer his condition is good so that girl now says that's the reason because Le Pollo it was a Jew who gave another Jew I want you as my wife so that's the first he's a YouTuber Israel Ohio conduction is the concept of kadosh holiness that's a very deep point this isn't just a you know some some excuse me jerk giving condition this is a Eid who has kadusha that means that even a mummer has to do it's such an interesting and the way he explains it here because on one end Hillel we say you need and you need a rabbinic conversion and you can't get an Alia till then on and on and on whatever right at the same time we say that and if you ask to do so you can do condition about that isn't that a phenomenal hello are there any situations from adultha Missouri or any situation is ever in a situation where a Jew would do some of God forbidden he would not be considered to be a Jew he would lose I mean no no no no no no no no you can you know acai for example example that moisture finds the righteousness that you're a client who wants to renounce his Kahuna uh technically can but a Jew cannot renounce his Judaism you hear the difference Kahuna doesn't equal yehudi Kahuna is an aspect of yehudi right right he loses that's right so I I had such a decision away I had such a situation in Marine County someone came he was driving eight miles from Nevada oats next to we lived in s simcha Rafael every shop is great and he tells me is a coin and he wants to talk him well I later found out that he was uh living with a non-jew married to a non-jew I said you're a wonderful guy and I and I appreciate you doing but I'm Bound by Aloha I can't give you an Aliyah and you can't and you can't and and you can't be called to the time I can't do the Kahuna and he got upset so he said what can I do I want to give it up so I said I'll check it was a very a very I think I wrote to one other I bought them here it was a very complicated in other words you know you just can say I want to give up Kahuna it doesn't work that way is a very very serious haloga questions and you need not just a rub of a shoe you need a a rub was a basic in these and and few know it and and take it and Maisha was one that did so these are complicated questions but from my little knowledge of the field is that a Jew can never lose his Judaism meaning that he's not a Jew and whereas a clan can lose to whom the status okay and that's that's uh done that's right well that's what we're learning you got to get a text we have to get the moisture the text if you're going to come every day because you got to follow the text we're learning exactly that but it's not just one more yes yes okay so you're saying that even if the Jew buys retail he doesn't lose his uh sorry right have a great day everyone see him on tomorrow night because I want to have a great day bye