When is it Good to Scream?

okay good day we're in learning quintus and mayan we're about to uh start the 11th chapter my youth on page 169 but before that we'll review briefly on 167 the bottom the kids the kids are summary when the eden were complete in their fulfillment of mitzvahs and the study of tatum how you the eden had a tremendous amount of material good naysayers in addition to them being blessed with godly spiritual energy and light of his monacolus the the contrary is is the opposite is true during the time of goddess because of our israel because of the the the transgressions of the jewish people hey shiflus they are low they are humiliated nevertheless the verse says and its desire interprets it to read it in all of our sorrows and all of our problems difficulties lights are hashem is is also bothered by it why because when a yid and yidden have issues and problems it touches the core of hashem so hashem from the depth of your heart not from the external part but really deep with inside where you really regret it is you arouse the anemias within and it comes forth and it shines and it brings good again top of 169. miami your dollar now remember that this this has been a continuum of six memorand beginning with five five six seven eight nine ten actually uh seven my mother and um so now we go to the chapter youth aleph gazelle chicas they cried with a great voice to hashem okay and their god seemingly this first needs clarification what is this idea of a loud a great voice that individual is amongst those that have little belief what do you have to shout for hashem hears you kylo between someone who raises the voice during they are amongst the false prophets who paint a shirashi rashi explains that they receive as it says they called with a great voice where is this verse right um hold on if you look at note 218 this verse in malachim that they called with a great voice refers it says no 218 which refers to false prophets so when we're calling with a great voice it's we're joining that's what that's what it means we're joining what we're joining the the false prophets in other words because in the passage past there were false prophets which called in to hashem in a great voice and they were false prophets so when we call hashem in a force with a loud voice we're emulating those false prophets that's what the rashaba is saying he's putting together the gemara and the rashi and our context but wait a minute isn't there a time in the jewish life cycle to raise your voice in in prayer um [Music] then we are accustomed of a wondrous thing it is um it is it is um what mark down mark down yeah okay an impression an impression is this a uh an indirect um reference to uh carlyn stolen um we'll talk maybe about that later yes and no because we'll talk about that a little i don't know if we'll talk about we'll we'll see let's let's for a moment let's for a moment just get this computer here this okay so let's continue the gemara the the the the hazal here so whatever comes out of a man's mouth is and it splits many uh heavens and and and atmospheres the myla and it ascends upward in the usher who if it's good things improper the yetzer bedusha ozmaklife name have accustomed themselves to shout the screen to cry out to hashem of atara with kraya because goddamn god of ibrahim to make an impression and this and to split to the heavens no so this would be a source for carly and stolen hillary that's what it says right in other words rosh hashanah yom kippur is the time during the year for such trilla but the truth is if you're if you're experiencing the middle of the year you keep her moment and that's where you're coming from it's fine okay so we could say that the kylian stalin idea and philosophy is to work on experiencing this rashan young kipper moment every trailer every day that's their that's their mahalak that's let's see what he says is talking about it in the context of of he mentioned earlier right left yeah what we learned yesterday about screaming to hashem that's screaming when you're in pain it hurts you cry to hashem right so once he mentioned that he says wait a second let's now look at this whole issue and you're correct yoni i mean it's very interesting to see how he will deal with this issue because this is so much opposite way and in fact i'm going to talk a little bit about him to share month on thursday if that if i bring in about the mithra river the bad way was not outward emotions to the point of um you know uh flaring up and shouting up and screaming up of course if someone is in pain and that we're talking about as a derek as an approach that was not the chabad way and that was one of the reasons for the dispute between the mithla rebbe and uh his best friend his former best friend byron of strashella which we'll leave for thursday we'll talk a little bit about that howday let's go to the next paragraph sometimes you have to shout out with a loud voice valid and through this maestro you make a big impression that's what it says it's amazing it says this could also be a claw and parenting right we can punch everything into everything you know i i wouldn't say that screaming is is a good claw in parenting um but let's go further if you're and if your voice is very moderate when you raise your voice it makes a big impression yes yes and like i told you the other day like my wife always says you have to know that when you're talking to men that's more passable than when you're talking to women so it depends on where and who and what but yes you know a voice a voice is you know um look you have some speakers and you know that they're very monotone and low and and and and the people they're people that gravitate to that and and like that and then the other people find it very boring they want a very charismatic and dynamic and and and and you know and with a lot of drama everyone you know that depends uh it also depends sometimes like i told you living in marin county which is the bedroom community to san francisco i could fall asleep many times it was so quiet you can hear the deer during the day you know what i'm saying it was on one hand that's the vulnerable restful piece but sometimes coming from brooklyn i'd have to tell you coming from the city chicago um baltimore you know uh it's a lot of noise and everyone you know and uh so i needed like uh a high so i just got in the car and i drove to san francisco to hear a few cars beeping see big buildings and then visit a few people and turn back around and went home saying everything depends on the situation or like sometimes no kidding years ago i would go into the caroline stolen and and hapathvilla not just because you know the timing and then the whatever but because it you know their energy so it's so unbelievable that it really gives you a wake up and uh sometimes you need that so it depends on the situation and that's what that shop is saying here that there is a time and place for vayitzaku there is a time and place but let's see how he develops this in his hasidic hasidic thought okay because we're not learning you know muslim we're not learning madrid we're learning about cities so obviously how does he tackle this whole issue so first he sets it up where he gives us the talmudic issue with the gemaras and the madrid and the rashi and now he starts giving you khasidas yes moshe sure do you think that the weather was shocked do you think we needs calls when he says call like like a russian goggle do you think excuse me call gondol do you think that he means literally shouting or do you think that he's speaking we've been speaking the last few minutes about like stalin and super but is that is that what the rashad is even speaking about is he speaking about physically literally yeah because that's that's what the khazal say call godo means literally a loud voice it doesn't mean you know maybe screaming the way the stolen scream where they they bent down to get air to pump it out okay no that not but loud loud is loud yeah that's coil goggle that's that's the i just want to say two things number one is the person could call godot could be loved after physical but but your entire being is focused like laser focused in your fila that's one thing but the thing i think i just want to say is the process it's speaking about um like immediately after the the call gobbles like and they cut themselves they cut themselves after their manner with knives and with like lances to the till the blood gushed out upon them in other words it's it's sort of uh a little um i'm just wondering moshe first of all he be the call gutter that he begins with this paragraph is from the not from and look at the beginning this is look in the english great voice and prayer this is they cried out in great voice right i'm looking at the the next one that's what it begins with the second one was just the support that they were called navy because he says you're like the false prophets the question is they're not prophets we're talking about regular people so that's where he brought in the second thing but the actual reference to the coil goggle goes back to the first pussac in the opening line of this chapter by izaku because hashem from let's continue he says when we talk about words words are revelation morning arrives what's the word for arrives us are associated you can hear it right i see ice and us before morning it was dark and concealed chewing yellow islands the idea of the night and when the light comes you'll break it which is morning the verse says the morning came the illumination came so what do we understand uh unison that the idea of icy ice is illumination gili before i go further is that clear motion you sure yeah thank you yeah in other words thinking thought i don't know what you're thinking about now i might get surprised but i don't really right when you speak with your mouth which is using words i hear you because you've revealed your thought or part of it it's a revelation it's an illumination it's mourning it's bright outside let's continue next paragraph [Music] she is since there are various sorts of revelations for example the revelation of pleasure the revelation of the emotions shame next page these are revelations of the radiance i'm sorry these these are very powerful revelations based on what they are on their essence on their mojos in other words when intellect is working there's a revelation of intellect right this morning i was able to write bef i got up early i i was thinking myself how much my head is so clear in the morning it takes me so much longer during the day to write the same thing because i'm fragile you know java means rusty why am i rusty because the day with the phones and this and that and and even though i'm here myself and it's quiet but still in the morning it's right everyone has their mornings for other people's at night but what's my point the point is that when seiko when the mind is working you feel like clarity it's illuminated and another person when he does a hasset when he helps another year he feels so elated his middles are illuminated another person when his willpower is in full force he's supreme and finally a fourth person when he has pleasure whether it's from a hot going on a cold day into a hot mick for a hot tub and saying ah um and he has pleasure that is a form of revelation okay the yeast then there's also the radiance of the neshama you understand look everything that we said till now hillel seijo midis razan yoni right are all talking about in the physical world what do you get pleasure from what's your will power well right i want to i want to draw i want to paint today about this emotion and you get to the studio and you start doing that you get pleasure from it but in the gosh mystical world says that there's also pleasure associated within the summer with the soul and that pleasure is when our instruments of thought speech and action are illuminated are working properly you're thinking speaking and acting properly all manifestations are a revelation of what we call icos okay so we're now you need to understand this please the the word osios used in chabad hasidis refers to revelation okay he'll also we're not talking now just about words we're talking about revelation and and a substitute word for revelation and ideology and philosophy and and then teaching is isis okay there's a mimer hillel of the alta rebel in the if you want to know more about it you can find over there all of you more information about it in paris right but this is what he says here that the the icos are represent ghillie revelation next paragraph okay now you have letters written written letters haribo says you have three types of letters large cadolos bananes medium octanos and small emotions probably a cipher cell noise what are these three icos in terms of the supernova emanations the spheros hain bedargas hallucas they're three separate levels and we say the commandment large letters large letters are where hillel in the bina a size letters bispheros are in there which is the middles the six middles the aspens versailles and the small little tiny letters biswith are encapsulated in the last of the ten spheres known as kingship royalty the the the fact that a letter is written larger than another letter mo red this denotes it denotes that it is greater after called even though it's all the same one one identical shape look at note 220 please let's read that that is although a given letter may appear in a larger size at one point it is still the same shape as recurrences of this letter in regular medium size so it is its size that indicates its category rather than its shape clear let's see what he says further my canoe because when we say a loud voice this great voice indicates a higher category of madriga that is that is very great vahenu the hey mill my mata whether it be for the perspective of heaven downward okumaiba matan torah the sieve it says by martin torreira the coil the voice the sound of the shaver was very strong auxival it says in devorium referring to martin torah what is it saying devoriam coyle god of the yosef it's a voice that's unending so whether it's from the perspective of hashem who sounded his voice at matan torah and it was a unending to the voice because it was so powerful vahane back into the text mil mata lamaila from our perspective to heaven from below to above uh now this request [Music] they call to hashem with might know regarding the situation over there right there with the trouble with the whole story of yonah so it says they called to hashem because the coil what do we see that the concept of a curl goggle it reaches higher left shoulder so you see most of what he's doing here he's not i don't i don't he's not refuting that it wasn't a clear goggle he's telling but he's but he's focusing us where did this coil got will come from paneemia salive cry the shout is when it hurts you shout right so the more it hurts the more you cry the more you shout the more you scream it hurts i'm in pain since the issue at hand touched him very deep inside me who tried to call god though that's why he screams because so hilo this this i think might also address your your earlier point we're not just talking about here you know external shouting and i don't mean that they if someone doesn't mean it we don't mean someone says now i'm going to shout now i'm going to dance i'm going i'm going to make my hands and feet no we're talking about like moses said earlier which in conte content is right the person is the mindset in my mind i'm i'm in great pain and that grain pain generates this the voice so it is so that's what i'm saying that i'm i'm trying to like reconcile with you said my shirt and when you said hillary what i'm saying is that indeed it is a coiled guard but the god was coming from the the panini saliva so now what's left is wait a second rashad still has a question you'll need and this goes back to your question wait a minute so is it genuinely acceptable to scream during darwining let's see what he says and it's brought down the onus a sinner that someone who shouts during necessary one supposed to be called the silent amida and you stout it shows you don't believe god can hear you so your is katan and [Music] and the reason why is like rashid says that he quotes it's like the person saying god doesn't hear my silent prayer um and therefore i have to raise it i raise it loud and loud the goms hate him another reason russia gives is hey guy don't confuse the person next to you by your loud voice everyone is silent and all of a sudden you're loud i remember i think we had this discussion two three years ago definitely the coil i forget who it was but there was someone at h kodesh a boy i don't you know you guys should remember those that were around those days in age kodesh and and he would shout so loud maybe he still does and i remember i think it was wrong rob came over to this rabbi how did we get this guy just quiet down you know uh right right okay and and and again it's a gemura and the game is following you shouldn't be dabbing loud during s3 to beam a vowel others you know some say we'll move away it's not what it says here it says it's called silent amida you don't have to whisper you want to stay but you know that like normal like a mensch you know let's continue cause there [Music] the time when we're looking to identify within the inner makuda the inner essence at that time we need to find our question that's bound to godliness he beholder than this is always revealed in its own right believing in god with simple faith who is the wondrous creator look what says and the reason for not for not governing loud that we mentioned earlier because you're confusing your being when you're in the mode of sarah that doesn't apply when you're standing with a deep inner arousal coming to the depth of your heart and you're crying because of that it awakens and it arouses others he's so red beside it as truva in other words no one will complain now you know you might be thinking no one will complain really we're talking about anyone that is cognizant of hazal anyone who's cognizant of what's going on when they see and when they hear a person who's crying for the depths of their heart and i i think you all know this i've seen this at foreign you know you melt away by the rabbit's cave i'll give an example usually it's very quiet it's quiet right several times i've gone i've see i've heard a man or a woman crying and mamash and you know as i don't see say it's being the vowel it's not being a vowel it only evokes deeper feelings of of of of trilla and takadesh barco standing at the saddek's caver at least that's the way i take it and i'm i don't i'm not at all from a yid who's he or she even a she who's crying from the depths of their hearts and that's what the rashaba is saying here when hallahu says don't tell them loud and don't scream in shamanism because you're being the vowel we're talking about a normal situation but when we're talking in in other words one of my normal when it's coming from your mind and your heart but you know i'm saying it's it's calculated then says please don't interfe don't don't don't disturb another person's feeling but if it's coming from from a person's deep all the rules and regulations don't apply it's a different plateau that's what he says and the lashop says sorry because then there has to be but psycho because so now he has a nuanced motion which is interesting he's saying yoni that it's not enough for it to be a silent it should it should protrude it it should permeate all aspects of your being which comes out through coil psycho because and we've seen this too we've seen people who normally are very quiet and passive both in their personal life and their prayer life and all of a sudden they they bust out with uh with a tremendous emotion and i saw it with the rebel i saw it many times with the rebel the rebel was if you saw the way the rebel damage from that's where you can see it on on videos so he's barely moving right he's like you know he's so calm right and that same the babachi rebbe when he would speak about russian jews or about mashiach not being here he just couldn't continue talking many times you know so and the answer is there is the normal talk which is from here and then certain things touch you so deeply that comes from the inside where there there's no rules and regulation on the contrary if you give it out not that you i'm he rushed on i'm going to say a trailer i should give it out that's false it happens because you're so engrossed and fella where it touches you that's the whole idea of you know tears and again when i'm talking about tears they were talking we're talking about that too we're talking about the idea of soccer you know taka and i think hilo this this is really the the uh the true equation i don't care what hasidas you're from or what lit fish what's fighting for a yid if what you're doing is it coming from that nakuda now you could say that maybe in the carolina stolen ideology they say that by practicing this it will enhance your trilo okay so that's that's already a hasidic custom that you know only they and those that follow them believe and many most others don't but you know and that that's that's uh it's not that they're and and also and also let me say it clearly because we shouldn't make a mistake i don't i don't believe that doing that in the silence monastery that right they're not screaming the top of their lungs it's by hazard shots when they're answering or other trilos they you know they're very loud but here we're talking about specifically the silent spawn esri let me just finish the paragraph and then if you have any questions or comments we'll we'll discuss it and he says page 173. those are the days of the year which are set for us to arouse our inner core in essence commission cost of mokamaka that says it elsewhere please be so it is and it's interesting um i i you correct me if i'm wrong but my recollection is with i don't have to say for in front of me that there is a halacha in the laws of the of us of us you may too loud to disturb i think that it might be brought there also so it's interesting because the rashaba is saying here that what period of the year has been set for this type of tv to awaken and arouse your your your neshama this is so so you understand so on one hand is saying you should you you should you should not disturb someone else and at the same time we're learning that that's the time for such history such a arousal that comes from the depth which expresses itself because you know it's like it's like many other things and i've told you this you know the vert of the cutscore the cutscene rebbe came into the room and his son was sleeping uh with a cabrusa there and they were and they and they were going to miss uh and he kind of scolds his grandson get up get up what are you doing and usually he was up earlier say so he leaves the room and the friend turns to the the the the grand grandson of the of the cutscore and he says when my grandfather gives me musser i don't hear muslim i hear honey sweet honey and i want more and more and more it's the perspective you know it's the perspective in other words let let me put it this way let's let's be honest with ourselves if our best friend is standing next to us and carrying on and screaming and making noise and i'm dabbling are you going to uh really tell him off no but if it's not someone who you know and or someone you know but you really don't care for even if you don't tell them off but up here you're thinking this is a chutzpah in other words it's where you're coming from it goes back to what myself was saying before it's where where are you coming from and that's what that was telling us that when hazal talked about this idea and halacha is the category of do and don't right and wrong it's it's a predetermined category of reward and punishment right so it has to give its ruling which is what it is don't disturb someone but when you enter a domain that transcends rules and regulations rights and wrongs because you're talking about neshama it it all falls up it all falls aside it all falls aside now that doesn't mean that if if you are um remind yourself of a story it's it's it's a story really for you to just kiss them we talk about hasidim and nonstick lineage and he was a shaykh in neville never was a little uh village or city i believe in the ukraine i think and it was somewhere and labavich had a very strong stronghold in neville i was once told by someone who came from neville they had i think sixteen steblach eleven or sixteen i forget now a lot of steep blocks it was really a habat you know town you know there was also literature and others but chabad was a prominent force or maybe the prominent force in this little town called neville and he the salman moisture was a was a shaykh there so the kitser he came and then later he he he lived in keefe and in the shul and cave the rav was a lit his name was rabbi kaplan i think and a big talmud and a real you know a yid and it was utes kislev and the hasidim in the show because they didn't doubt you know they they invited rip salman maisha this hosted yet from the rebel marash's time i think and the rashab to fabric this is talking about the probably the 20s the 30s you know the fabric he was the elder clustered fine before if i bring in like you know we dive in my roof you know because you know later on you're going to say look at him it's late you died admired before it's always better healthier and he starts stopping myra and they accomplish monastery and he sees the way the rov starts stopping from unesri and carrying on like a good lit okay shaking and making with his hands and with his face and fetching you know oh you all know what i'm talking about right and absolutely the the food was already on the table and the in those days they ate herring but the line you know the big herrings not the he quietly i guess he was before so nestled he quietly takes a herring and he throws it after rob's face after she wants right the rav says he wipes itself off and he says uh who did this and they point to this guest for bringer who they didn't know and he goes over to him and he says why did i deserve to get a herring thrown at me so he says it's because it's you just kiss live tonight we're celebrating the altar rebel and khasid is the belshantov and you're darkening like i'm a nugget i couldn't take it and you know the ref said to him please forgive me that's even a greater punchline in the story and he meant it because he was a very humble person he understood was almost just coming from talmudia was not into throwing herrings into people's faces but he understood that where he was coming from here he was an invited guest to inspire everyone to hasidis and and someone is displaying to him the what he the opposite of khasid is okay that he couldn't take i'm not not on youtube any other day before or after i can tolerate it but tonight no i got a heading for you you could call it herring impaired it's a sensitive story you know you have to know when to say well not to say it i'm sharing with you because it's the month of kislev so it's already a lively month but i'm saying it also the cashier to what we're learning over here there's a time and place for everything that's the message that's the message you know that's the message so in other words there could even be like we had a discussion earlier this year someone who cries in shul and rosh hashanah at the same place at the same time and it's disturbing for for some it's very disturbing i assume for him this is what he knows and this is what his comfort level this is this is this is the way he serves hashem this is the way he was raised i understand where he's coming from yet it could disturb others and and this is always a balance so the best thing i think is to be sensitive be kind and and um and not look at others look at ourselves and that we should when we don't we should dive cavanaugh well he had a stroke and he wasn't feeling well we lived in l.a in 92 and 93 94. his father tells he's a genius and he learned to brisk in a lakewood and he became a laboratory you know and my wife always remembers how he would say and we said to him for the rather he mummish was crying on a regular monday wednesday thursday mommy saying tell him the middle of the week crying and and it was amazing you know because no one else is crying we're saying dylan it bothers us our rapper and here is this rajashiva who's kind of more of a talmudist and he's melted you know and he meant it there's not even a question so it's all in the perspective there's no one that was in that base madrish i think there was no one there who said hey stop with your games this wasn't a game and if you if you observed it and listened to it you saw he was he wasn't pretending he was saying to him but by him the till him for the rabbit being ill was so deep that it just evoked these emotions hebra we will learn tomorrow mr sham i think was a good good discussion and uh we'll we'll we'll learn tomorrow be simpler to everyone have a good day take care bye-bye