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Tanya Shaar HaYichud chptr 7 #2 - Tzimtzum: Literal or not? Vilna Gaon vs. Alter Rebbe - RC Dalfin
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so good day we're learning we're on
page which is the opposite page of 164
in second uh section
called we're at the new
paragraph page P gimble so the balatan
here is talking
about that
Hashem is invested in the
world and part of the world and the
reason we don't see him is because he
made a ssum a contraction he he hit
himself but he's here now here today's
in today's she what we're going to learn
is a very important issue and it's
basically a fundamental
difference
between the between the um the Al and
the the the is acronym
His Name Was Elijah of VNA El of VNA
hence known as The
Grow the gr is the father figure of the
of the lit fox or what used to be called
the misnagdim the opponents ofid of of
the
balov and the balat is not the father
figure ofus that's the Bal but he's in
basically amongst the
theic rabbis rebies
I'm I'm going to I'm going to now give
it to you say it outside and then we'll
study it inside and
basically when we say
Hashem is in the
world the question that that one asks
thems should ask thems is how can God be
here in with Hashem with all of his
glory and there should be an existence
God is godliness godliness is is
godliness and the world is physical and
material how did the two go together
that's the million dollar question that
all philosophers of all times have asked
themselves and the
answer so there there's two basic
answers there's the answer of the balat
and the
Aral and there's the answer of the V and
others the V says
Tsum the contraction so that God made
upon himself
is so the word now we're focusing on the
word or
sh means it's
literal l means it's not
literal so
the he
argues that when we say God contracted
himself God's Infinity is not in the
physical world
it's not just that he's hidden it's not
there and why isn't it
there
because not only can't the world handle
it it's an
embarrassment to the Infinity of God to
say that God is interested in all of our
silly little physical material
things so the argument of that the V and
those that even
earlier thought this
way is that when we say the when we say
God contracted his Infinity it's
literal meaning he contracted himself
that all he gives the world is a
manifestation of himself but his real
self is not
there the balat this in what we're going
to learn today disagrees and are argues
and will prove from his
perspective which is both logical and
otherwise that you cannot say
that and God is here his Infinity is
here too it's just not felt so the AL
says when we say that when the AR and
the zes they they say there was
it's it doesn't mean in its literal
sense where he removed himself he Mark
it's like hey guys I'm creating a world
I'm giving you part of myself which is
applicable and H and you guys can handle
but my very essence is in Florida um
where Mark lives in Fort Lauderdale it's
100 degrees we're going to the beach
today that's where I am you know
spiritually we're going to the spiritual
Beach we're going we're hanging out with
the souls
today and and what do you guys have here
on Earth you have on you know my
manifestation Dr says no that doesn't do
it so that is the the kernel of
disagreement and being that we're
learning now will present his case so
let's learn inside what he says rather
than just taking my words for it V
bottom of page P gimble 83 on the he in
in in the in the Hebrew p
based on this we can
understand it's a heavy heavy words the
mistake that some sages
made
be in their own eyes from their own
perspective and says even
harsher God should atone them for this
mistake
they
mistaked uh and they they errored and
they mistaked in their
analysis in the way they understood the
writings of the Aro by the way is not
cursing them he's not he just feels very
adamantly that this is a major
philosophical
mistake and and he feels they made this
mistake and he's asking Hashem should
forgive them for this mistake in other
words this wasn't a mistake by little
schmendrick by little people these were
big people whether it's the go or you
don't understand he's talking about
great Jewish not just Scholars but
rabbis and teachers and sadim but he
believes they made a philosophical
mistake so he's asking that Hashem
forgive them okay what's what did you
say is more than M I'm sorry
is more than I know I know know
implication is
a it's not just okay but but but but but
but theer is going on the word
sh
sh okay
okay wasn't here you know wasn't a ye
that was looking to stick it to someone
else he's he's he you know it's a
serious mistake you made and and uh you
you know so the way you're tching up
your in this context I I don't believe
that's theat but let's go
on okay so he
says and they understood so he's now
bringing us their
position the concept
of that's mentioned in the right because
the AR is the one who mentions theum
they say
it's
literal and he
explains meaning God removed himself the
word Sil means he removed himself
entirely his
Essence God forbid to say that but
that's what they say May from the
physical
world rather so if that's the case
according to them how does the world
exista if God's Ence is removed how does
the world
exist so he says now going on to page
166 top of the page turn your page
hasem has Providence over them from
above he's like sitting in his Palace
and looking out the window and seeing
everything that's going
on with Divine Providence
all creatures all of
them in the heaven and above on the
earth below stop that is their
position Hashem in his very essence is
not on Earth is not in the physical
world now you know now now you notice
that Reb says not on
Earth does this mean that hasem is the
essence of God according to them is in
the spiritual Worlds the answer is no so
why does the AL
mention that's what I told you before
cuz is the Crux of the Cradle the
physical world is the the low world so
he doesn't just mean iser that hashem's
Essence is not in the physical world but
it is in the spiritual worlds no they
also believe that God is not in the
spiritual rules because it's still not
the essence of God so anything that's
not the essence of go in other words
according to um this to Angels let's say
Angels do angels do have the essence of
God or not no the answer is no stars
moon son Heavenly hosts is the essence
of God there no so therefore why does m
why does he point out the physical world
that God is that according to them God
is not in the physical world cuz the
physical world is where you see it it's
palpable how could the God be in such a
physical world with such a low low stand
status of of of a material corporeal
world but it's not to exclude the
spiritual rules so going back to their
position which the alter says they made
a
mistake and maybe if we have time we'll
talk about the philosoph the Practical
ramifications from this disagreement
here in Tanya with the go of
V that the the primary proy student of
the go was
of the great-grandfather of the salvic
family RAB
salav and and in in his saer
called which is like the
Bible of the of the lak philosophical
position
NE the soul of referring to
of he disagrees with his rebi the v in
one
detail
so felt that because he lived at a time
he lived later than the go right I think
the go passed away in
1798 lived into the
1800s he was and he in Vila and there
was some very very
prominent Ina that they had an
impact on him in explaining the balat
here in Tanya sh chapter 7 that we're
learning and that
he agreed with the alter in one detail
and disagreeing with his teacher the go
and he agreed with his
teacher in another detail what is that
and I don't want to go into this cuz
it's it's really very heavy and needs a
lot of thought and
conversation when we say Hashem is
Essence is here or not
we there are there are four things more
the
illuminary and or the illumination the
energy of God when we say God's Essence
is here or not we could we we we we look
we look at the issue both in the
illuminary and in the illum in the
illumination the going OFA and that sh
says God's Essence isn't
neither the simum the contraction is not
only on the illumination it's also on
the
illuminary that the illuminary of this
of of the physical world of of all
worlds has been contracted and is not
here
here the alterb says that the that the
essence of God isn't all is in both the
illuminary and the
illumination says I'll agree to the
balat that as far as the um as far as
the illumination illuminaries concerned
God's Essence is not here but in the
illumin in the illumination what we call
in Hebrew the Earth
God's Essence is not here so kind of
makes a a a compromise between the going
and the
alter but that's not for now but just
good for you to know because you come
across maybe uh um you
know real student ofil of most don't
know this most don't learn it they
really don't I don't care if they come
for pun or lakeid they don't study these
things but there are the there are those
that do so it's good for you as as
people being exposed in the community to
know this that although the AL the had a
a philosophical disagreement as we're
learning
here the project student of the going in
one detail agreed with the balat and one
agre in detail disagreed okay and what
what and and more about this Rabbi um Dr
Norman lamb all
wrote a book about the of the of of of
he gave me the book when I interviewed
him about 30 years ago or so and I wrote
that up in conversations with the rebba
my interview with Norman lamb and over
there he talks about it so if you want
to read an English book about the sh of
the V I would point you to that book of
Norman
land but let's go back to
now
says we're on the second line two words
from the end on page one
166 gives us his position and why we
can't
accept the other position of the G Etc
and why he feels it's a mistake and an
error
in addition to the fact that one cannot
say that the the contraction is
literal basically if you're saying that
then you're applying this the words
is happen
stances happenings mik means happenings
of of bodily nature on God says your
your entire equation doesn't begin how
can you apply a concept
ofum in in in in in the sense that it's
literal on God God is
transcendent in other words when you say
let's say uh a teacher holds back
information and or he or someone hides
himself and he doesn't find himself
where you are that's bodily that's goof
that's
physical so dba's first argument in how
he rejects the Go's position is that to
to think thatum
is is
using physical material
ideas on God and it's it's not the case
yes sir um I think there's some uh
better words or or in English for this
concept what is it P pantheism you know
what I'm talking
about yes sir I yeah yeah yeah yeah
pantheism is that God is the world is
God so so then it's not pantheism there
there's another go ahead yeah so it's
something else you don't
remember no no so there there's a word
in English which is it's a good word we
don't use it much but I've come across
it which denotes this
idea of applying cality what no not
cality no that I
know what knows it who knows it Hill
he's not in the share oh Hill knows it
okay we we we'll get him next time but
the idea we understand how can you apply
Mark how can you apply
physical M material
corporeal um ideas to the metaphysical
to the Transcendent God it's two
different
worlds so that's the first argument of
the AL he's saying those that believe
that God literally went is is contracted
that he's not here that means you're
allowing the concept ofum you're you're
looking at it in the physical way and he
says that's just it's not the casee God
is Not physical what kind of God is God
if God is physical and God is Not
physical let's go look inside let's
continue and why is why is this not
right because God Is So
separate from this
concept ad
separations that's number one that's his
first argument why the concept of
simpsom being literal is not acceptable
here begins make make a note to yourself
Point number two argument number
two the fifth line in the
middle additionally y means additionally
why can't we say this
the words spoken are not spoken with
intelligence again very very heavy
language of the Al and rejecting he says
intellectually the argument
of is not sensible
why since you guys too right and
everyone else who came up with this
argument that position you're Believers
you believe
[Applause]
now here we're switching pay attention
to God's knowledge you believe that God
knows everything that he
created within this physical low world
and you
believe that he hovers over them and he
has the Providence over
them and you believe
that that God's knowledge of everything
happening
doesn't
add it doesn't add of addition and
Novelty to God
why because God knows everything this we
spoke about
yesterday by knowing
himself
therefore metaphorically
speaking God's Essence and God 's
knowledge are all one as we learned
yesterday from the Ramba by a person
it's three separate things right AB by a
person the knowledge the knower and the
known are three separate
things right so before you you learned
something um AB you didn't know it while
you learning it you know it and later on
when you think about it you know it even
better right right so it's three
different positions why because
knowledge by a human being is an adjunct
to the human being it's not the human
being it's something a human being does
but by
Hashem by God his knowledge is him he
doesn't know things because he goes
outside of himself to study them no he
knows himself and because he knows
himself he knows everything
that's that's the meaning of the
words by knowing himself he knows
everything so the Al's argument is hey
you all believe right you all
believe that God knows everything by
knowing himself and you believe that
he's and he has Divine Providence over
everything if that's the case the
one second so so so here's the here's
this final AR his argument if that's the
case how can you say
this you're telling me God knows
everything according to according to the
argument that God contracted his
Infinity then if he contracted his
Infinity his aelf and his aelf is not in
the world not in the spiritual world not
in the physical world then how does he
know
everything you have to be here to know
everything God has to be here so so his
this is the argument of you agree that
God knows everything well God knows
everything he has to be here but you're
saying he's not here you're saying he
left us to to be and he in his Infinity
is elsewhere
says you can't make up your mind you
believe he knows everything but yet you
don't believe he's here how do the two
work together that's a second
argument let's continue says and I'll
bring you proof to this now from
the we just coming from it's appropriate
to study some Z here we
go this is what's written
in it's called this 57th TI quote
how many times have you heard these
words learning so many years hundreds
and thousands of time there is no place
L there is no
place that is
empty of him God is all
over not in the
upper not in the lower that's a quote
from Furthermore he brings
refers to mosu which this is a section
that we believe MOS
Moshe quotes
Moshe in the P which is coming up
soon it says God grasps all
but but no one can grasp
him encompasses
everything there's nothing that goes out
of God's
domain to the
outside
further pervades
all this is all from the andem binds and
unites Zena Zena kind to kind think to
think
upper and
lower and there is no Clos closeness in
the four
elements only with
God when God is found amongst four
elements here ends this section
of now the AL gives his interpretation
on this piece
of what is mean
that no one can grasp
him nothing and can and no one can grasp
with one's
intellect including from the all the the
superal intellect of the stars of the of
of the of the of of the Heavenly
hosts they can't grasp the essence of
God the Ste another quote God is the
secret of all
secrets and no one can grasp you CL at
all and even here Below on Earth
although we say God pervades this world
his energy pervades
it it's not like the soul of
man that pervades the
body the soul
our
is our body grabs the
soul once the soul MERS decides to come
into here guess what the body doesn't
let it
go we shouldn't know of it there are
people who are so sick and they want to
pass on they say I can't handle it
andem says no the body doesn't let how
do you let that body want for whatever
reason the pain the torture it's not up
to you Soul it's up to God and God gives
dominance to the body over the soul and
only when the body decides with God's
permission to let go of the Soul does
the soul leave I told you that painful
story that painful story of the person
who had the MAA he had the illness and
kronites and his friends they were they
used to come to a five 5 6:00 morning
sheer and the friend said to him we're
praying for you ding you that it should
be removed he says please don't D for me
for that D that I should die
I'm suffering I'm in pain every
day I want to
die and God doesn't let me die so if
you're going to die for me D I should
die now you know I'm not getting into it
there the speaks about this but my my
point is like this that when the AL says
here quoting the and explaining it that
the body grabs the soul it's literal the
body grabs the soul and I'm sure iser as
as a as a physician understands this
better you know you just can't as as
much as you know I today I want to go
too bad he can't go
today doesn't work that way why does it
why does it work the vice
versa that what vice versa what that the
that what where the where the soul where
the soul tries where it's the opposite
way we're not yeah
yeah it does when a person has for
example a thought of chuva the person
lives like a you know a beher and all of
a sudden he wakes up he says what am I
doing to myself I'm a Jew where am I so
then you see the soul is like
controlling the the body the body wants
to just indulge the body's been
indulging for 50
years whatever that Indulgence is and
all of a sudden the person's soul such
I'm not talking about you know dieting
and and addictions I'm talking I mean it
could be that could be included too if
it's coming from the soul we're talking
about a Chua and a Chua doesn't mean
only something was about to Chua
everyone is I'm sick and tired of living
this way I want to live a more holy
life so that's a call from the N yes
absolutely but but but it in this
context of T the AL wants to make the
difference between the pervading of
God's energy in the universe and the
pervading of Soul into the body and he's
saying that it's not
comparable because the the we find that
the the body
grabs and when you say grabs and grasps
it means it has control over the
soul and like you know and and and and
it's an important thing to know it it it
works both ways that's why what is it
saying to zo and the famous story withed
who told his his wife or his daughter
wanted a not eat anding and she was very
weak and and the says it says a little
hole in the body a little a little
blemish is a big hole into the
Sha
and a big hole in
the a little hole in the is also a big
hole in the Goof in the b in the body
but in this case
fasting when you're not supposed to fast
because you're
sick makes not just a big hole in your
goof you're hurting your
soul so what do we see from there as
well that the relationship between the
body in the soul is such that it's it
got it it grabbed it let's go back into
the T and and he's going to give us some
examples now more concrete examples
to the extent that the body is
impacted from the
changes that there are in the body V and
the
pain from the body being hit yes when
the body is hit it
hurts or when you get a
cold you know temperature
and things that are similar all of these
are s examples of how the soul is
impacted by the
body now this is a very important point
because sometimes we say aad a I could
do what I want my dear friends people
have tried that it hasn't worked now at
the same time the same time to to be too
calculated and and not to have the amuna
is
also not not hitting the mark and this
is a balance and it and and this is what
we struggled with you
know I give you an example L bman the
other night go
ofan at about 104 after 11 I said listen
I got to get up early I have a Shear i i
d before I'm up four four 5:00 in the
morning it's already
11:15 I need a few hours sleep
I found out the guy for braing till 3:00
in the morning and it was really
beautiful now I I I I you know based on
my responsibilities I felt I was being
responsible now could I have stayed till
3 and lay down for an hour an hour and a
half and get up maybe maybe but you know
I I know myself and I know usually I
wouldn't do that or I wouldn't be fresh
and I need to teach and I need to
inspire and and and understand it myself
and prepare this year on and on and
on so what we see is that the this issue
or like M and I have discuss you know
the you know do we have time in the
middle of the day to study and things
like that we have other responsibilities
these are questions legitimate
questions and so you find one type of
person say amuna
Faith the bills will be paid everything
will work out just connect now and the
other attitude The Other Extreme is no
no no no no I'm just going to be in a
box and I and I think that what we have
from in particular is there should be a
balance there are times where you you go
all out and and then there are times
when you have to be more within the box
and this is a balance but going back to
the T here the
AL says
clearly
now the next part
conversely when it comes to
God God it doesn't
change from it changes in the world it's
hot it's
cold from Summer to
Winter from day to
Darkness doesn't make it dark for
you and by night and the and the dark
the night will will shine like day why
second to the last line on page
166 because God is Not grabbed at
all while he's here in the
world even though he pervades it so this
is the concept that we've learned many
times that whenever we talk about
hashem's
energy pervading the world it doesn't
mean you got him where you you he can't
get out he can get out anytime he wants
you know why because he's here and he's
not
here what does that mean he's here
fully the contraction is not on the
Infinity of the anself of God's enery
but the manner in which he's here isn't
a
disguise so it feels as though at times
he's not here or he's not looking or he
doesn't care or he allows October 7th to
happen you understand that's exactly
October 7th is an example of of what
we're learning here in
Tanya to say that Hashem is wasn't in
the world and wasn't aware and didn't
care about what took place is
heresy and it's not kin saying it it's
the Tes is saying it but at the same
time the same time Hashem chose for
whatever reason which we don't
know and we don't understand Hashem
chose to disguise himself on October
7th and then and and to let us fools
argue that the IDF is and he's guilty
and she's guilty and he's guilty and and
and make a big Chun from it and we have
what we have
today that's part of the Divine
experience daver wants that why I don't
know but that's what he wants I I mean I
think we can figure out why he wants us
to become mentioned he wants us to to to
own up to ourselves and take
responsibility and not say do whatever
it
is we'll stop now
and uh some very important things to
think about not just philosophical but
also practical yes Y what do you want to
say no no I asked you
before anyone have any thoughts go ahead
I have the time if you want to say
something very important very important
she on the issue of
T is God's contraction literal not the
difference between Al the V and um be
that as may but by the way don't think
that the AL
belittles the V he understood where he
was coming from he disagrees with him
and he gives us reason for rejecting his
argument but it's not that you
understand some people they learned this
you know C in a cursory way oh look look
at the language here you ered you made a
mistake and as as and we saw we we the
the is jumped on the
word the word implies you're sinful
intentionally so I explained to is he's
already off offline that's not what it
means the Y is going on the word
accidental sh
error Dr believes that they you know
that somehow they didn't think it
through enough in this issue and they
came to that mistake but and he and he
understands how you can come to such a
mistake and therefore he presents his
position have a great day everyone we'll
see everyone
tomorrow hey thank you very much you're
welcome byebye bye byebye take care
Shalom take care byebye