Tanya Kuntres Acharon 8b- Alter Rebbe had spies & Rebbe also had them - Rabbi Chaim Dalfin

So good day. We're learning essay 8. Uh we're using the lessons in Tanya on page 385. And the alterbi here heard that in a certain kabad shu the some congregants pressured and uh made the bila the the kazm go you know not lead the congregation because he was going too slow. So the alterba says that they did wrong because um he is seeking to bring life to Jews to the Eden and Dominion and they seek to cut it short and it's um let's see his language himself here. Oh, and and he said it and the last thing we learned yesterday was if someone is is is um for some reason unable to stay with the minion because of an emergency or because of he has to run to work whatever whatever is considered on he's forced into it. If indeed that's the case he's exonerated exonerates him. So if you really have to rush, rush, but leave everyone else alone. Okay, Moshe, mute yourself, please. Let's continue. At the bottom of 385, we have a rule that the the reader discharges the obligations for him. That's why we have the the loud moni that there's times when the person isn't able to has him in mind. Although he did not hear them recited, it's says when you hear it, it's as though you've actually responded with your mouth. Even if you have to rush and if you hear it, it's next page 386. Unlike other instances, I'm reading the note of the rest where the TA indeed exonerates the individual concerned but does not consider him to have performed the omitted act. In this instance, he is considered to have done it for the reader discharges his obligation for him. So that's the whole idea of a of where he exonerates those people who are you know who are listen who are in the now there is a there's a it's known in terms as the the the the people in the field if you learn you learn the you'll will see that at times let's say Friday night we do a short version of right it's we do what's called a brah that has within it the seven the seven bras that we normally would do on shabas why don't we do the whole thing why don't spell out the seven brah. So says it's because it's there's a reason. It's because people it was dark at night. It was unsafe and the the later it got the more dangerous it was. But me you wanted to rush up hurry up the end of Daven. And that's why you don't do a that with articulating seven. You do one that has within it seven. This isn't. So that's what is quoting here. Look, we're on page 386 in lessons in Tanya. The Gumar says regarding the people in the fields they are considered under duress and they fulfill their obligation through as though they've actually heard it themselves. and not only at participating in the responses of the readers as if they had actually heard it from him. So we have this concept. It's not just one which are fulfilled through prayers, Reb's prayers, the the the reader's prayers. By the way, you probably noticed cuz we it's I've seen it more in but we have it here too. Sometimes before Aleno after cave they say they say Now straighten ashkaz out here it's not supposed to be done but some once in a while we have some doing it. I think one of the reasons for that is also to for those that came late to get in a the but the point I'm making is that we find in an acceptance of someone's kind of weaknesses or um issues legitimate ones that made them late or I can't hang around because I gotta run to work. One second, Moshe. I gotta read some text before we frame the rest of the half hour. So, so, so, so we we find this concept in so the alterb is using this to explain to the to the these group of who put this pressure on the balt and they stopped him from being the because he was diving too slow because they had this and this and this issues are showing us examples in where you're exonerated if it's inde if it's indeed an on right and shows takes that into consideration. So this you understand what he's doing here. So Delta Reba is not just giving you his feelings sir. You know, hey you you excuse me you jerk because you have to run to work you have to go pressure someone. He's not saying that. He's saying that if you really have to go and you're in, you have legitimate exoneration because we find similarities in in two situations where there is an exemp an exemption. Yes, Misha. Yeah. Real quick, I noticed that it's interesting you mentioned about the so at the end of Ding. You see for sure here in general it's very very common uh we don't have it and you see that people are very mockb except for Friday night except for Friday night so my question why what why why Friday night I I I believe I haven't looked into the in quite a while but I believe it's because of again because they I it's not only that they're afraid to to to leave late because they could be hurt in as you know because of the situation but they came late also. So if they came late they missed boru. So you do a boru why dava Friday night. Um I I don't recall if it says it in um but it it could there's it could be because that was the only time that was the only y could you mute yourself please? That was the only time that they came to sha they were working hard. They didn't make it in to a Yeah. So you see from the from those that they came they Shabas Shabas comes they stop working. No you imagine they're tired they lay down they wake up late. So I I think that's the reason it has to be looked into the commentaries on those and I believe it'll say it there for sure and believe that if I get a chance I'll look it up later and tell you anyway let's continue what about what about in where they say after we don't say that in we go where you say that whole thing no no the you here doesn't say it. Mabad is not to say it either. Um what are you asking? It's it's a debate whether it's a heftic or not. Two opinions. So some say the Shila is Wheeler. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. Go ahead. No, we I I I asked this to my in seventh grade or eighth grade and he said it's because in their um they they were afraid of like uh robbers on you know that people shouldn't leave from sh you know they should all go together like to make you know. Yeah. But y I just said that before. But what does it have to do with saying with saying or not saying the uh the extra after? No, because it because it widens the dominating somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely heard that before also. I learn I learned that in the past. Exactly what you said. the tapa it was put in so that to keep people in sh longer so everybody leaves together because of the safety issue I remember I remember that I learned that in the past my my I I I I believe I did come across that but my recollection is that there's a sh of a heik that there's a shy love as a heik and uh I think that is that fela considered in other words since the feel itself is not kind of justified fight. The only reason is as you said keep to keep them longer. So is that consider is it considered a legitimate is it considered a heick between the end of Ashkenu and the kadesh. Anyway this is a discussion so you know it has to be looked in. You know we're we're we're talking just from the hat. You got to look inside. Let's go on says we have searched out and verified when you see it's very interesting and here it's worth taking a few moments available to tell it opens up says we searched what what does he mean we searched what did he dots he looked a magnifying crystal ball. What did the do? So in the reference he gives you to kesh to the letter of the alterba. Basically had what you would call spies in the different communities in the different and they would report to him which is you know a very very telling and important the in other words and here you see again how this was so organized just just just factually in in other words it wasn't do whatever you want. You know, this guy will, you know, say it this way, this guy will sing it. There was there was supposed to be a tradition and an organized way and who should go to the and who should not go to the that's what he's alluding to that we searched we looked into this matter of sitting in and this say is somewhere in Ukraine or wherever and he's telling them you should know that I have my people there and they report back to me and they told me what kind of balagang you did understand you know it it's so foreign to us because today we do whatever we want right do do I know what's going on around pharaoh's sh do you guys know what's going on in my sh no but in those days there was I I'm not going to say you know every sh in every situation but the alterba planted people who who who were on top of things. And another interesting thing you should know, especially in the Reb, our Reb had people in our role who were planted by the Reb and they and they wrote to the Reb things that no that meant some wouldn't tell the Reb. How do I know this? Because I met one of them. And where did I meet him? in but unarin over there in Mayur you would never he wore a strial and he lived in a dilapitated little apartment you would think he's from out of space you know somewhere from an alien world and he told me he he always writes letters and reports of what's going on in Kabad in in in his area of I heard the same thing about a certain non-abad in France where the Reb felt that he's not getting the truth from the Kabad Labavature who was responsible for a certain institution and the Reb had this other person who was an associate there to write him the real truth what's going on. So it's not I want you to understand it's not like the alterb and the you know were were these you know uh um devious people who were planning no they wanted they were looking to improve the kabad brotherhood the wanted them to do this now I I just as I'm speaking I remind myself that the some of the garbas did the same thing and They did it even to a greater extreme. The basis role of Gro passed away in I think in 1977 Rab alter right he he he you know the Gidam are very big on the union of Kadusha and Tahara you know there were sexual oriented things they're like they put a big emphasis on that you know and that's why it used to be they didn't have men and women walking together in the street even just down the block, you know, they they had they had an extreme in that area. So I heard actually a professor of Binyaman Brown, Benny Brown out of uh Hebrew University who's um kind of a friend and very fine person and very knowledgeable. So he wrote about this and when I was writing my book on Kabad and G and other so I I read I read that and then discussed it with him and I I found out some fascinating things. One of which is that the G this basis is he wanted to know what's going on in your bedroom. I mean, you know, that that was a first for me for a Reb to kind of uh you know, want to know what's going on in your bedroom. Okay. So in various different communities um there were the rebbas certain rebas certain rebbas took an active role in knowing what's going on by so in kabad it wasn't about the bedroom was about the and that's what you see over here I'm just saying that I reminded myself as I'm speaking that in g he took it to another extreme and by the way since since the since the base Israel they stopped that because it was too It it was it was it was too extreme. The basis emulated or tried emulating the reb of of Katsk the Kutsker the holy Katskar and the Kutskar was fire you know he was he was very fiery you know like you know I've told you the Katskar said the Rambam says that the best approach is the middle of the road rights so the katskar would say says a horse walks down in in the middle of the road he doesn't veer to the right or the left if you want to be a horse walk down the middle. You know, he was a big extremist, a very big extremist. You know, he wanted right or left, extreme right or extreme left. Decide. Yes. M real quick on that. Today, we may have covered this before in this year, but the whole dynasty of Katsk is that that is not something that's been continued today. Correct. There's no there's no cuts. I mean, was it absorbed in gear or Alexander? It it was absorbed in gear till the basis. Well, that's what I'm telling you. The basis role was the last kind of remnant of trying to live kusk. That's why he said he wanted to know what's going on in your bedroom. He was he was an extremist and he didn't take he was very powerful, very very there's a there's online Rabbi Yseph Segel of of the Torah of the Kabad Cole in the old city. Check it out on YouTube now. They interviewed him and he was very close to the basis and he says a lot. He says stories. It's in Hebrew. Um if your Hebrew is good, um it's worth listening to because he really had a bird's eye view of what was going on over there with the Rebi. I don't know if he shares any of the stories, any kind of stories that I'm alluding to, but it it's known. I mean, again, I came to this from from Benny Brown's uh book and and it was fascinating. It's fascinating, you know, and Ben also didn't write everything so clearly. So I, you know, I encount I communicated with him to make sure I understand what he's getting at. And he he acknowledged that I, you know, that I have it right, that there was this extremism that the the the basis role, you know, I I hate to say it, but you know, it sounds like an obsessed man. You understand what I'm saying? And he was at Sadic. But if if you take it at face value, it's like someone, hey, what are you creeping at the other guys? Excuse the expression, underwear. Like what what the heck are you doing? You know what? Are you a pervert? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. If you take it at face value, that's the way. But I want to say for the record, it's got he was a sadic, but it definitely has those those undertones, you know. So So the basis was was uh the last kind of mush I'm answering your question. It was the last kind of cutscer style, but they saw it was too much and and people were divorcing it. it there were issues it the people can't handle it and that was in the 60s and 70s so after they passed on the took over the Simka took over now took over and now you know it just you know it's it's not practical it's it's not practical they they make you know if you're asking me whether they hold in shittita that's the right sheet it's probably it's a mus between maybe the the new the g and show alter I I imagine but that's another discussion with the alter he's talking about I mean this to me is uh bad enough he's talking about you know you imagine you go into yeshu and he had someone's dabing there and later on he writes to the rebba a report um the guys came 10:30 instead of 10:00 there was talking at dabing there was a kdish club okay the rabbi gives a drussia everyone goes out to drink you You know what I mean? And most people, a lot of people go out. That's not a favorable report. But that's what the alludes to here. This is what we have searched. And as the conclusion and verification is of my research points to that indeed you guys threw away that bouter who was diving slow patiently at the because you had to all run out or whoever that was and even regarding the early gener generations of the scholars of the Mishna and the Gomorrah top of 387. [Music] Then what was the primary mode of service during the the time of the Mishna and the Gomorrah? It was Torah study. The late philos not that they didn't daven. Don't make the mistake here. They ded of course but the emphasis wasn't on the emphasis was on title learning etc says the alter what that's the emphasis yeah yeah yeah but but this is pre talking about 2,000 years ago that I mean you know the the emphasis was learning They did both. They learned and they died. The question was what did they emphasize? So let's see what he says. So even during that time and needless to say now says now he means 200 years ago right when he's writing this letter. with the advent of the heels of now our Torah study is not constant because of the difficulties of the time you got to make you got to go to work you have to go to work in other words which is means the difficulty literally means the screaming the shouting the yelling of the times is legitimate. It's not, you know, it's my own issue. No, no. The whole eating, the whole period is associated with soak, with a scream. A scream for what? Livelihood, family, tuition, electric bills, food. So that's why the main avoid now is ding not learning again you have to learn but what should what should what's the emphasis on so the period of the was tora study the the if once We go into the the heels of the Messiah is the prodigy student of the writing over there. So therefore, needless to say, for sure that we should devise ourselves properly and with complete dedication to this to the saying, "Hey, if during the time of the Garish was Tyra and then there was a change to the being." So surely now when we when when we need the wh why are you pulling the guys? Why are you rushing the guy? That's his message because theim 200 years ago in in in in in Russia and Ukraine and all in that whole area was believe me everyone knows how hard it was to make a dollar and to survive. So what's the main thing? The main thing is prayer. Beseech Hashem, plead to Hashem. And this is this prolonged prayer is an obligation of mandated imperative. Okay. No. Well, tomorrow going to continue. And now the alterba is going to add what is the content of the we're talking about. In other words, the first thing it says is stop rushing. Stop rushing. If you have to rush, rush, go. But don't put pressure on the about. That's the first clear message that he writes here. You could agree or disagree. That's what he says here. Now what he's going to say further is what should the consist of besides diving with a minion that will leave for tomorrow everyone have a great day basically basically two so you're talking 200 years ago the lit just didn't accept that concept they still considered to be the even 200 years ago even through the hardships in Europe yiny Y one second. He's talking to them here. He's not talking to Lvat. I I understand. Wait, wait. No, no, no. You don't. You don't understand. Let me explain. This was an issue by Dr. Reb is criticizing the his own labid. Now, now regard regarding your question with lit fox and this and that. Yeah, that that's another discussion. That's another discussion that yes, you could say what you said is correct, but that's not just you should know that's not what this letter is about. This is talking he's not even talking to he's talking to his own and he's telling them you're not doing understandably from what we have from this letter that those that want to follow what the Balatana writes and he's writing very with logical and proof from from Kazal it's not as though he's just shooting in the dark it applies to everyone it would apply to everyone but that's already you know you know I've I've discussed this with people over the years you know and some would say I'm not a kabatic I don't have to follow the balatanya that right now it it it doesn't lend itself you know if the guy would be patient and sit down I would take it out and and show his his arguments and proofs has nothing to do with being a kabatnik what what did we learn there about kabadat tomorrow we're going to start learning about his bonus meditation reflection so there you could say maybe there's more of a kabat element But until this point, it's generic. So what are you telling me? I'm not a kabadic. What does what have to do with? You got it, sir. Take care. See everyone tomorrow. Misha, I see Misha so happy. So I'm happy I made you smile, Misha. Thanks. Great. Take care.