Tanya #29 Is Intimacy of spouses a Taiva, indulgence? - Rabbi Chaim Dalfin

good morning uh the day we're on page 12 22 in Tanya chapter 7. yesterday we learned a fascinating idea that the alkadapa discusses here and that is what happens to the energy when it's used for taiva for Indulgence in the afternoon explained that temporarily it enters the realm of Charlotte's Clippers at Mayes three complete contaminated Clippers and it's up to us to elevate it back to its proper place so overall the discussion here and Tanya paid exalia is all about clippersnoiga the position the purpose and the objective of the translucent clipper in chapter six he discussed the shoulders Clippers at the Mayors the category called the one category called the three membranes of contaminated Clipper which is complete negativity in this chapter in this Panic it's all about Clippers no you got but in in order to understand please he also speaks about when Clippers Noida what neutrality right when something that's neutral enters temporarily the realm of negativity so let's now continue the bottom of 22 um let's go to we'll go to six lines seven lines to the bottom after the period three six seven lines to the bottom the last four words however someone that is a a glutton of meat and savior and a a a a a a consumer to the point of intoxication of wine he does this lamales kaivas goofy in order to fulfill a tither an Indulgence that his body desires and wants and not only does his body desire that but now she had bomb is his animal Drive wants that as well this comes from the element of water but you say this from the four elements that are bad when they are used for bad things are you for indulgences and cravings and cravings from the element of water it's not saying Hillel that water is bad water is neutral but water is the the the source for combine it makes things grow so when you use taiva of food wine and meat and anything else you're basically schlepping the element of water into a bad place that's the shot here okay I think a good one that's like conducts it conducts the energy of David okay thank you okay heart would harness also be a good word harness yeah okay so he says he may all your days so because of what he because of his lust and desires he descends he lowers the energy that's what uh that's with it that comes from the meat and the wine that you eat that you eat and you drink should be careful that's within the person now because he just ate and he just drank and temporarily it's been included Incorporated included in complete evil Michelle's Clippers at base at that time it's no longer just a taiva guess what you've now taken the energy the highest and the highest is beragomer now notice we're talking about the highest about the energy we're not talking about the person that's what the outlet adds now hello now he's referring to the person in other words there's two things going on here Heaven listen with your head there is what we call the hefta the object this in this case the highest the Vitality the energy and there is the governor the man in general in Taurus study we always look at two things gavra and hefta the individual the gabra the person hefts are the item here is alluding to the same thing there is the hefta the ilm I.E the energy where is the energy what happens to the energy when the energy indulges so Delta remember says the energy is temporarily you slept it into a bad place one second one second what about the person let's read the next few lines the Goofy and the person's body NASA the hand becomes a garment and a chariot also with Fisher only temporarily until man will do chuva Lafayette and he will return to the service of God will it take us into the study of data so the alternative here too says not only is the energy been schlepped into a place of clipper of Tuma of Charlotte flippers at the Maze of negativity and it needs to be schlepped out but your body becomes a he uses the word a garment a vehicle an instrument for a bad situation because you've become a piece of meat you've become a drunkard the future and your essence you're not that way but temporarily that's what you become yes you're little uh I wanted to ask if do we have like a a do we have a language for describing the distinction between the Schloss Tomatoes uh meaning that are there three Clippers that have different functions and that we have ways of sort of identifying them or because I only have to determine the kind of general terms are you asking whether we have a a a knowledge and verbiage for the three Clippers at Emmaus is that your question well a distinction distinctions between them for instance here we're talking about how uh something that um it was uh in in taken in in as something from Clippers Nova was taken in in a in a little assumption my way yes then say Well it goes to this place in the solutions oh oh not not that I'm aware of but uh maybe maybe a couple of there is but I'm not in other words I wanted to say that on page 11 in the previous chapter he brings him I don't know if you want to see it and then it says he he says High School the three content are called in The Chariot of ich High School one rules are there a very strong wind a storm-like wind number two for onondagoddle a great cloud and then he says the glamor Etc what does it say in deposit if you look it up A A Burning Flame great fire so each of those are another membrane of the of the Clipper concealing God now if you're asking me if you're asking me to Which of those three does it go into I don't know and I'm not convinced that it says you follow me for that you have to study Kabbalah there's a central idea of there being shlosha Clippers and tomatoes um that is since they're Solosis the the three worlds of goodness no no so again I think you you make a mistake the shellish clip is a tomatoes are really one it's not 3K it's not three categories it's one category with three layers of obstruction so it's okay okay so it's not three versus three it's it's one okay and and and and also and also where do you get where do you would you come up with this idea that it's this whole okay I I think I I think I understand what you're saying but if you're making a mistake if I understand you correctly um right which would began in the beginning of chapter six which you referred to a moment ago it means it refers to the 10 faculties of the Soul the 10 faculties of the necessary kids to him says in chapter six in the beginning that the Netflix has its 10 faculties that's the zelu um I I also thought that it really meant that it was somehow in the structure of creation uh that zeluma said that just like that there are powers that energy is that uh move us or direct us towards godliness their energies to take us away from God yes they would be the New Balance in in their course and that no that's true well that's true but that doesn't get equal what you said earlier like three against three uh okay in all like this maybe maybe somewhere it says that I don't know but from what I've been taught what I learned I don't I have never found that type of uh you understand if you want to break it down kind of mathematical terms it's it's ten and ten ten ten versus ten and and then we have the general idea that you just said a moment that whatever there's in Clipper there's a conduition whatever is a condition Clipper as a generality is what it is what I'm saying but again you would have to really study or go to a real but someone who knows you know Kabula well maybe there's more in in the cifri Kabbalah you know and so so I understand you know if yeah if you ever come across it let me know you know maybe the commander the commander is very big in in Kabbalah so maybe in the swarm of the commander he he and and he definitely learned Tanya we know that you know so maybe he gets into this and I don't know you know but that's what I would probably uh you know look at okay the kimono bring the Tanya and his writings I believe he does I believe he does yeah okay I believe he does I mean uh I've seen things that I thought might be references to the Tanya but they were not explicit no he does I mean the the famous disagreement between the Middle Arab and the Trevor um the concept of time has an entire letter on that um subject so we we and the concept of time that the middle it ever brings is also based on his father so there's no question that they they learned seriously the Tanya and and may improper look with Italian her too you know what I'm saying remember I remember you're describing that that much Locus but I don't remember exactly what the Sugi was can you just say the tsuki was whether time is to be viewed and is time is time the way we understand time or is there something what we call Cedars the order of time which isn't time it's like it's like it's like the the blueprints of time but not limited to time it's it's a complicated field I I haven't you know Revisited it so I I can't talk intelligently about it yeah yes yes I have a meeting right now I have to have to log off many officers if they have a meeting right now okay anyway so let's go back we're now cabinet that came a little late we're on page uh 22 on the bottom going on to 21. and the last thing that we explained is that there's two things one is the Hefner the item the energy when you eat when you eat food you eat a sin you get energy what happens that to that energy so that episode will be here that energy if it's eaten with taiva with Indulgence it goes temporarily into a place of negativity Shoals Clippers at Maya's bad stuff and it needs to be slept out then he says not only that but the goofy it's the second line to the bottom second word on page 22 the gufa in NASA your body here is not referring to the item the highest he's talking about to you the governor what we call in Intel music terminology the governor there's the hefta the item and that is the governor the person the governor he too NASA the Hamlet he we become a charity a garment an instrument at a chariot the Fisher temporarily so there's no quick fixes this is the bottom line from this section Italian Heaven is very important in other words if you if we want to re to the tivins that we indulged in and we indulge in right and we want that to to go back to to to you got to do now the question is does does the truth help for the island for the hefts the juvenile helps for me for the person I do chuva so I'm I'm slept out I leave I vacate the realm of negativity and I can start fresh and and all over what about the Tiger this is going to be discussed on the next page at Great length what happens to the energy that was misused it's a fascinating Insight that the alternator goes into now making differences of the energy in this issue and that issue let's continue now the last word on the bottom of page 22. since our Indulgence in this right now on Tanya we're talking about it was kosher it was kosher food and it was kosher wine location that's why they could they could be returned and elevated with the person who does truva to the service of Hashem because this wine that I drank with taiva to the point of intoxication and I ate like a glutton like a behemo the bottom line is it's cushioned it was kosher and that Alton Abbas says that's and that's and this is indicative in the word cushion and Usher look what he says is the word comes is associated with the word Hector permissible almost a permissible Claymont this means to say when you see the word Claymont he's an interpreting Claymont it's not bound kashoor strenuous forces Usher means it's tied up you cannot untie yourself easily because Hashem says this is forbidden it's strife it's not kosher misused abused it's been SM and it's very essence essential core it's forbidden so it's can bound it's kashoor foreign that cannot be elevated to God this is what he said read me yesterday no no no no no I did not say this yesterday because they were talking about something that is not caution what you're talking about the kid is depressing and all that it's kosher it's animalistic it's temporarily in a place of no good look what he says and but but through truva you can schlep it out when you're eating something not Kosher or doing something that's not kosher it's bound it's tied up to consign name you cannot untie it let's rock however it says that even though you could re-slep you can Elevate the tithe from the negative place it finds itself back to its good place guess what there's always damage there's always uh a Remnant or a shimo left over and that's why okay there's still hope everything okay our body needs to go through a process called the banging of the caver sham and he says as I write we'll explain later in the next chapter eight I'm not I'm not going to go into that right now what that is I'm going to leave that for chapter eight but one thing's for sure our body will have to go through that body that's buried in the ground with its soul that goes to Hashem will have to go through a process of crypto cover to bang out and wash out the stains the Schmutz so when it goes into Ghanaian it's clean it's beautiful the washing machine exactly it's exactly right but yeah I need it's not fun just picture your your shirt in the washing machine with uh with chemicals and spinning and noise and banging it ain't fun so we don't look forward and but the alterabba says that um that since even though we do chuva and we we leave this place of taiva to a good place in other words let's say like this we stopped pressing like an animal at the condition okay we say to ourselves enough already right the fact is last Shabbos you didn't do that so what happens with the energy of their Shabbos it's still in your body in an unhealthy place and that needs and for that you need a process to get that out yes my well the dolphin will see the energy could just go back for a second but you just said about the first thing you said you said if you don't press you see if you do for us no and we're all we're all going on during this trajectory of the kids dressing okay but yeah let's say this shop this Shabbos this coming shop isn't sure someone who last week ate like a Bahama like a glutton like a fresher and this week he learned this piece of Tanya and he says enough this is I can't I don't want to do this again and he makes by himself a resolution that the child and the kishka and the steak and every the cuckoo and the 20 couples that he served for three shampoo when you have three torahs the work should Google under your xiaomi Google and the potato Google and he says if I have it it'll be a drop and I'll make a brother and I let everyone go before me and and he mamish and this Shabbos you look you say wow what a change this fellow for the past year I've seen him indulge in this right the valley so this now and then and the next shop is that's the way he eats any chain but what happened with everything that he with the energy that comes from the foods from last week where is that energy now the answer is my excuse the expression it's not in the toilet that's that's that's ridiculous that's just the excrement that energy is in his bloodstream and in his flesh and therefore before you go into Dunedin you need to clean that out because you can't go into garnado that way that that's by the way one second you understand I'm going to give you a second this is like a spiritual but wait so this isn't the only way to get rid of it but this is preposterous when we talk about the different punishments punishments that we we go through before we go into gun Aiden there is rhyme and reason for it that's what we're learning here you see what was doubt that ever do here see this he breaks it down in logic you learn kabola you did this you get this punishment you did this you get that okay downtown here explains what you did and and like and I'm glad you asked moisha about the energy so he says it's still in your body for the the for their Shabbos even though now you the juvenile so you did juva but the energy from last week is still there how is that going to be corrected so so far here in Tanya he says it's going to warrant after your life yes in your question yeah you you said what he's got hot water and cold water and cold water so that that's great to do get out oh so we're going to the heaven putting hot dogs to death why because that's so awesome right what Jonas has said is very true and thank you for saying that it's it's shot but you understand said that when you eat with taiva which is like you're boiling you're excited you're passionate the the the true that the body will need in that time is this boiling water spiritual boiling water and the washing machine cycle to get the stain out because you ate it in such a way so what if you do a taiva in a cold way then you don't need that you need another type of tickling in other words there's rhyme and reason between the tick on and the Avera and the transgression we have a few moments let's continue well okay yeah yeah my shame came conversely no now I want to eat now I want you to turn in your Tanya to page the back Sadiq koof Sadiq it's it's opposite page 378 in the lower Hutt ticket the Lord had taken is the corrections that the rebels put together based on original manuscripts because some things were changed either by the sensor or other reasons and here we have not a change but in addition that was omitted and it's relevant to us are you ready Paige the last part of the page on the right side it says daf the daf is on top and you go down to your base stuff you'd base because we are on the Hebrew side we're on page youth base before I I want to make sure you have it you do you have it yeah you understand you guys have a Tanya I mean if you don't uh get a Tanya okay the commons so we just learned the common the word will come on before whoever says there was another line here is same applies same idea the lust when one is with their wife which is animalistic if not Sanctified and done for Holy purposes it will require these people that cover and for some reason this line was omitted from the text of our tanyas and it's the same idea one second it's the exact same idea in other words it's not wasting semen it's not nocturnal Omission it's it's it's living together in a kosher way it's it's it's what but wait wait but the way you you you you you allowed your semen to to to go to to go into your to your wife or to right was with taiva with passion with lust that energy needs to have tikkon now of course people will ask what what what's wrong and this is what siddha says there's a difference between you know Holy Love kosher love kosher passion and tiger love and it's very refined especially In the Heat of the Moment if it's if this is this is not an easy thing but this is what Sid this but the alteneba points out here that of course you need to eat and of course you need to sleep and of course you need to be intimate but it should be done without taifa and if it's not done without taiva you need to take those that energy or those drops of semen that came forth from taifa and they need to have a tickle now when you when you when you think of this and you ask yourself you know am I a hasid and yeah where am I or better said it just shows that you know everyone has what to do for it's this over the generation not only but I'm saying these were issues that see them really really you know thought about it used to be in a way where they were kind of in various communities Hasidic groups they were obsessed about these things and Gary I don't want to go right now it's too long the sheer has to end they were obsessed with these things and Chabad they weren't obsessed but you see doubt that ever brings it here and tanyas and and to the point that somehow it was taken out or and it's not an even an hour tanyas yes Maisha they're not gonna like my question I can tell you right off the bat you're not gonna like my question my question is if this is the case and this is what it says in the Tanya then why in Chabad a five thousand dollars five thousand dollars straight though is the minimum in the Chabad it has to do with that what does that do with supper it's not five thousand dollars and lakewood's not five thousand dollars December they they put Chabad shaytus are the most expensive and the most elegant telling you Rabbi my wife my wife when it comes to a shayto it is like the kindness I'm not kidding okay okay I'll I'll talk about it another time not now please I I want to say to LaTanya yes Maisha yeah I just want to go I just want to go back for a second just who exactly this point and maybe this is a question for tomorrow but can't we also say though that there can be kosher tyvis no meaning meaning obviously the Ulta red though does not expect a man to feed like some sort of a robot no of course not of course not but but it should be it should be the same shamayan fires it's a there's a tremendous cement it's a very refined sensitive line and at this point if I I just I believe that the cost has to take that it has to be extremely sensitive so so let me let me try to give yes sir yes sir and then we'll try to give one answer for everybody what okay and the producer brings down also by the image when they named their children he says don't make the mistake to think that they were naming their children now my husband will love me after goshness things they were all remusive to a votes Hashem throughout the Perdition work okay mahos even had tithers related to okay okay so look two people could be together in in the in the in the most special way the question is is it because you cherish the Mitzvah or because you're attracted to a pretty body okay if I have to spill it out and if it's attracted because of a pretty body and you really have a taiva that's taiva but if you're you know in other words it's it's it's a mick finite it's a special time and and our give us a a list which unfortunately a lot of people don't know about how to prepare yourself spiritually for uh of intimate every every time but especially to learn together to give sadaka to look at Holy pictures I mean these are things I remember when I was uh when I was a bakarad mastered and and took into me so that hopefully I'll be able to you know live this way and and and as much as possible what do we see not that you should lay there with your wife and be a cold fish and and and no that's wrong that's not Torah that's not hasidus that's not what it said no but to understand that this this idea is a Mitzvah a good glass of wine let's go back of course you know intimacy it's much more sensitive like you said but a good glass of wine I could feel the grapes and I could feel how long they the Vintage and all that now that's typha but if if you're saying I've sensed this Rashi the the maker of wine and and and you relate to that and that's where you're coming from that's where you really are of course so it's not easy moisture it's not easy there's no question and it's not to say that a person should not be passionate and all that of course they should but it should come from as much as possible condition I think that that's why the rabbit and others I'm sure have for our generation kind of given us you know ways you know how to implement this I'll give you one example and I have to go to another share but the example is brought down the swatham application that is it that the union the intimate Union should be really after midnight you know that that's what it said so melondon teachers wrote to the rep and they said me foreign but they said they have a class in the morning they have to teach their children and hater and for them to wait till 12 1 o'clock in the morning to be intimate it it it it it just it will disturb them in the morning and deliver wrote back to them and that episode you could it's fine to be it could be before midnight now if someone has the luxury of being makayam this that it says in Kabbalah no problem but what if your wife's asleep already at midnight and you're really asleep and you're awake because you want to do what it says in Kabbalah it ain't gonna work either you know oh my but my point is that if in our generation all these young in have been I'm not going to say trickle down and watered down I have to show and and and and the daily limited understand the generation and understand that certain applications because this isn't like you must do you must if you're gonna be into it has to be it must be after midnight no it's not an Ave Vera if it's before midnight it's a preferred recommendation based on the kabbola and the and the Ash Wednesday spiritual things no first of all we are we on that level are we on the level that we we we do Mitzvahs and we live our life based on this um I mean these and young and let's not kill ourselves so I think that you have to look but but but but with the alternator says here is a truism and it will not change I don't care what the world is into and what the world's at kaiva is taiva and taiva needs to be worked on and controlled and if not you need to have taken that's it can get away from that you can't get away from me from it doesn't mean I'm a bad person doesn't mean I'm a bad person it just means that I'm still I still have enough for sure promise I still haven't yet Sahara and I'm normal and that's what Dalton episodes in chapter 27 and Tanya which is the governor kite of Tanya one of its conditions for people is you're normal if you have a yank Sahara you're not normal if you don't have a yake Sahara your normal gavitiva just control your type a little more a little more have a have a great day good good discussion see everyone tomorrow as I guess bye-bye thank you