Rabbi Sholom Ber Kalmenson #2, July 25, 2024

ask oh mon Monday and Thursday in 770 upstairs that's where the r used to come listen to K when I say come listen to wasn't there by the whole he only come and state till the end no no oh you're right he used to leave after yeah the beginning but was fighting at that time to put down a eventually the beginning people used to fight exting so later they were able to take it and did did you ever get one yeah I have one yeah but um um but like I said he used to be the the B at the time later on as he started getting older and I started as I told you he stopped his and he stopped other things he stopped the gab and he stopped the laning that's when D Rasin took overh he but he was well respected by his peers by everybody everybody he was he was he was he was a you know who took after him quite a bit was his son shom Bell from New Jersey right took after him yes yes but now he had an anle who niss a son he's a writer for the five Town je that's the second son he had two sons the older son's name was bmen B was no writer B was nothing it was some a the younger one guess at this time he became the writer in the the he made the newspaper right right now we started all this CU you started to tell me about the oh I'm GL to remember the rebba had told you to make correspondence for your newspaper is that right said that again we you told me that the re advised you to have correspondence yeah it should look like an international newspaper so what did you do I want to go back you didn't tell me so obviously I wrote under my name yeah then I wrote Under Ben calman yeah then I wrote and what you wrote WR your ER Austria Canada yeah I was fromel to whatever it is as always cooking good but I but I developed different names my own Ben Simon Ben cman who's Ben oh Ben shim Ben cman yeah cman son c yeah I I kept on finding these crazy names to but you you didn't never got any other writers well I had this I told you an yaka who Moses oh yeah he told me about y told about him he used to he wrote a column have I got an answer for you that was the type the the the headline the headline have I got an answer for you and what was the column about somebody asked a question which obviously it was either me or he asked the question and signed y's name whoever was and he he gave an answer but he wrote a good column he used to be printed by me I also had it m so like you know page one two and three were news items of kabad around here uh four was the editorial in the left editorial was you editorial was me on the right was uh the thought for the week three columns on the top was um what do you called the a character right you know yeah for the episode that was a top on page four five wases have I got an answer for you and under it I had already one of the ads from mhia which like I told you I have a bunch of those ads yes and uh um towards the end I mean the paper was 48 pages it wasn't a small paper it was a decent sized paper and the all the way at the end I had mlos and condolences and B mitzvas and you know all this kind of stuff and what about advertising well we had the advertising was spread throughout throughout the paper throughout the paper the page before the end the page other was 47 was a woman's page recipes article whatever asked the rabbitson that Mrs slipit Cha's wife wrote um she's from she was from laich not originally right no she came from a family in the five towns area she came from a family there was a mod modern okay modern Orthodox family okay she went to uh cauna and that's how she got into the bage okay she had a brother has a brother who was Mr L for a long time good Lear and um eventually they lost relationship between each other because her father interestingly enough was also all this kind of a stuff and himself his father also was a young Israel kind of a type you know and uh when AA came here from time to time they used to come here for visit to see him whatever um but he for a while he tried to stay away from any relationship to laich he didn't even want to recognize that Ian he was in that sense he was disgusting but anyway slowly but surely we befriended him and you know he warmed up and men at least toich but this is uh yeah anyway so so then you had the women's page page 47 yeah and um the newspaper 48 pages 46 three pages sometimes four pages was was msia stuff different in addition in addition to the ads yeah this was articles articles articles articles there's three four pages in many cases four pages of Mia stuff um how did we call it uh had an interesting name to it you may find it okay what what about what about ER Ro you have a a section on ER Ro only La stuff not it was basically LA right not politics not politics none of that only happenings in there was something in there was something whatever but only stuff that I felt would come in handy to a local local crowd I mean not even all the stuff I printed but if I felt that there's something that the locals can can benefit from then I published it now the the newspaper was mual by the entire Jewish community in Cincinnati in Cincinnati yeah yeah as a matter of fact as I as I think I mentioned to you people in other areas were begging I colus Columbus Cleveland uh pholis Phil Philadelphia I mean I went as far as Philadelphia Pittsburg uh well obviously that's already from our own people Indianapolis for sure uh so it got around it got around and and people liked it because it was well written and even better laid out so it was it wasn't it wasn't a right and how did you fund it adss the Eds covered it covered cover the whole paper yeah at given times not only did it cover which I would yeah put into lay over in case one one month I wasn't able to get the money cic but and it was a monthly publication monthly public how many years was it in existence from the early 80s or you already had it in the 70s I started in the 70s I started in the 70s and it went I would say till 84 maybe why did it stop politics politics politics n outside politics laich politics what who's I got a letter not a letter a call from UD krinsky who gave you permission to print the paper what yeah every every way later way later that this is the first laage paper I used to call it the first and only in the beginning that was the case nobody else published so you called called me who gave you permission to print the paper so I said why what's your problem so he said because it makes aich I said can you tell me what the laich was and I said I H up on him days later he called again and he said to me what's the because in one of the front page issues I had a picture of the re on the right column in other words the headline column of the headline headline and I had a picture of a woman on the left column all the way on the other other side which is which is five columns later I each had five columns right I understand so this was there was a big exactly and woman it was not even a that wasn't even an issue right was like a Head and Shoulder kind of a thing yeah I understand so he said that was the I said that's that's called yeah so right I said listen I know what your problem is your problem is that if luich headquarters couldn't give out a paper of its own you don't want that a branch should make should make a paper make you look bad so if you don't want to look bad you're telling me to stop a st's cooking bed he he went n because that probably was the reason he went nuts and please don't call me again because if you will I'll hang up the phone on you just looking and you found the wrong guy it's not GNA with me it's not going to work never called again but that was it and as I told you the funny thing about him was that in the beginning way right in the beginning Flector of take a look you know he was and after that he despised me as a said okay but Lao why did you close the paper okay so I said to you that they started a campaign from within luich not from outside in other words at Mansion uhhuh to to fight me from within leage and I said to myself you know what it's not worth it what am I doing them right you're doing it for the yeah and if they're gonna they want they they want that's it so I basically said I'm not GNA continue I mean you know like I said I was the only writer right from 48 pages that took up time and I I'm the typ set too so obviously took up a lot of time for me but was again going to fight me and forget about it and I just dropped it tell me the the K were you involved or not no no because that was in Columbus yeah it was a big it was not one Pasha I don't know if you're aware I heard it was twice it happened twice right for some reason um well that happened right away you know who he married no he originally married a sapinski I didn't know that his original wife Misha sap whatever daughter sapinski from mon senior yeah his daughter oh so well didn't take long and then he married again I don't even know that I hear he I hear he's still there in Columbus yeah but not not no not in the position of leadership the position what's his name got in there um cultman cultman yeah but he was cultman was sent from New York to compete with him oh yeah yeah cman was sent from New York to compete with him the begin Colman is is Toren son-in-law son yeah he couldn't compete with him because gun go and sat Ste eventually hold So eventually he went away from quote unquote the schas because they didn't recognize him anymore and went into food business coltman already at that point moved to a suburb 10 12 miles away from him just not to be anywhere close to him and originally they were sending people to him you know for shabas for th to help him then he's things but I heard that sh steam was the one that basically forced them out shot Ste Jay J right Jay or his father I don't know which one it was Jay because because of he said he says we can't be involved in something that's a we're not going to drop because so they basically they they were his biggest funders I know that so they dropped once they dropped about from right so that's when he dropped the soal and went into the food business how old of a man is is your age C is my age yeah uhhuh he's he's a no no he had a younger brother who lived in California where I told you we still didn't figure out what the name of the city is uh together with um with menel dman no menel dman was an Irvine Irvine this was not far from irine oh right right we couldn't figure right yeah I remember yeah no it was with an a Anaheim no Anaheim is where lizar is right that's but that's in town area this is this is near Irvine m is near Irvine Santa Anna no okay it was with an a anyway that guy came there and he worked with kaplan's brother you're talking about's brother came there and he was working together with um no the Mikvah lady from Montreal um oh no are you talking about M Angel wife not M angle well yeah M angle right he worked alongside M angle and um again I don't know after a while I just stopped getting you know involved or interested before on these guys so I don't know what happened with him after that either but uh you know in the beginning of these guys I was always interested and so I don't know if he's still there or he went somewhere else or okay but the let me ask you who captured the the the uh the shatenstein because they they they are they were always more Young Israel modern Orthodox art scroll people they still are what I'm saying is they no nobody nobody them what do you mean they got them they they were always interested in PR let's call it yeah okay in their name in their name being public right so um no I'm ask they were so they got friendly with stone oh with stone stone was obviously a laich a supporter yeah so and and when he got a little bit upset with label too so he wanted to shift away from label the shin right uhuh what what was Stone's issue with the label I told you he used to call him the little Napoleon the little Napoleon he he he couldn't take a guy that's really doing nothing and who wouldn't let anybody else do something mm at all and as I told you his daughter hener had a house on label's block this was in the beginning of the block label was a little bit further in the block and across the street so the Hench is a daughter stones and across the street of us which was label which was Hena was another sister another Stone daughter that lived over there whose husband was pretty involved in the Young Israel of of Cleveland Cleveland so you know so he he V his Allegiance so he basically because he couldn't St it with the best get to as a matter of fact as I think I told you even after I left even after I left I came here for a while he was corresponding with me on an ongoing basis yeah yeah and did he support you financially uh yes yes all the years or just in the beginning no just in the beginning it wasn't for long um I don't know why I don't remember what made it stop but it wasn't anything big anyway you're talking about whatever $20,000 it wasn't anything major and for me $20,000 he already ising evish so so did did did um did he he so his big support was not label it was he started out as label right yeah but then he moved away to young Israel to Art scrol who stone stone yeah yeah and and shottenstein also same story same story but quot yeah as a matter of fact but battle was just the Young Israel of Cleveland moved on the same street where the old kabad house was and next door to that label managed to not label St managed to build a big beautiful kabad Center I'm calling it Center because it was a and it was put classes and things and it's m right across the street of the battle was the well that's another thing she is also from Montreal uhuh so he was originally in England as what as actually yeah and then his brother Isel was also in in Europe in in k no oh in Brussels no in in right yeah in Belgium yeah Belgium right and then again I don't know what happened there don't think this fight in England so he decided he didn't want to be part of the fight B was not a fighter so he decided he's leaving label finding out that he was leading leaving said to him maybe label who aleski still yeah said if you're leaving there maybe you should come to us in Cleveland he was afraid to go to label very much so so until some other balaba assured him that they were going to take care of him and not label not let label then he agreed to come but he stayed again as and eventually as the preparer if you will ofan for the so anybody that became a and everything used to travel to Cleveland to learn with him I understand he was your Kus he was my Kus in Montreal in in g n n yeah yeah yeah and who do you have as for a while I was learning with z for a while uh but then I moved off toari and at that time I think I told you mbma was there too you know so the the two newans were there label and so we were shifting around Green Glass because I should learn with him me and gringlas had a very interesting relationship very interesting relationship that if you remember so on Thursday night Friday so shab morning I was exhausted somebody came it was the middle of middle of got close to to [Music] to to say to say somebody wanted to wake me had a very interesting relationship with him let me ask you in your opinion was it Tak who Green Glass no question in Europe not what you heard from B from what you saw first of all the forgot about the Kinder not only he once came with a whole big you kidding Big B you know wrapped up from M all the way I asked him he told you you know who she was she was a from the Mal she was from the bis so anyway when she passed away she passed away a lot before him yeah he had he passed away 95 who Green Glass he yeah yeah but she passed away a lot before that so in Montreal there is a there aich yeah she is buried all the way in the back of the with nobody else all the way in other words the hel goes from the road all the way back to a bunch of trees she is buried over everybody trees but tell me what else I want to know first he was a that's besides what the besides line is what did you see he was very very very very I mean big time and uh his conduct I he used to come in every morning to D for instance the downstairs downstairs the upstairs where the were so he would come every morning walked around the whole nobody knew nobody knew what the story with him was but then finally when the minion ended and everything was whatever like haveit on the back bench publicly but hising was on a winter for instance when s probably 3:00 [Music] or not not really no no no when he passed then ITA took over because was his assistant at the time and was also giving sh and when he when he passed cha became the bashia for the B yeah was the for the right right you had a very good one a very good one I I I can probably still show you on my phone that he called me as late as a few weeks ago MH his wife is an all time yeah she's label's sister who she's label old time sisters all time sister they say like a b make the GU out there in so who knows anyway but um yeah right anyway but um yes his wife's wife is an old time an old time and from from my wife's side of the family tlin right they also have AAS because oh yeah because of Isel Jacobson I know because of Isel Jacobson's Mo wife right was a daughter of hisel satlin of the of of another herel sat the the original yeah right so they were all related related right right as a matter of fact is all is all uh Jacobson traveled to Montreal for my wedding oh because of the relationship and is an I mean come on you don't have to SCH the mreal but out of relationship and out of kindness to hasel right he came to my did you have any connection he he was uh he was uh he was actually M oh he was the Handel backed hand was the but handle backed off in L of his being there and let him do way back when way back when but nothing about he had one daughter or something Miss love up from V yeah yeah she was she was a a PhD professor in Colombia exactly exactly yeah I don't think she's I think she came back later yeah she was Modern I think but I met I met a child of hers in oh really yeah I I I think she came back later I do think so well he was and I'm asking yeah he used to for bring on a regular basis I would say almost every Thursday night okay well that was Chim Chim Chim but he used to for bring he used to sit um by the fener no upstairs by the the back to the fence back back now there's a door there yeah yeah he used to fing over there in that corner there used every Thursday night I would say that most of the book him sat through his foring fact that was a big thing for him yeah right right that was a big thing of his but uh again you're talking about the already consulted way back in the beginning except one time they FL sit behind the re Jacobson Simpson Simpson right flin right fls right behind the the re and at one point the reab was drinking quite a bit and he got up and walked over to the got up he didn't have to get up far because he was banished right behind and was asking the reab to stop drinking and the the hunt and if anything started drinking more I don't know if it was just to spite him or was because that was the where it was going but theab dismissed him and and started the RAB basically said to them at one point I don't remember if it was at that point or was at another point but at one point the RAB said I'm not seeking your advice right your advice yeah let me ask youn saw him in action at I saw him in action in Montreal when he came to visit ptits no he never came to visit ptit he had a nephew he was very close to ptits originally but that's not what brought him to Montreal he had a nephew who he had a nephew in Montreal the um Pez there's no pees Montreal I'm asking no no no she not a relationship right um much k no relationship a NE the guy lived on Kent across the street of Kramer um label label label theic no no no no no label he has Sons one is a in Florida um minkovich No No Label don't know anyway no he came to visit him I I would not even say visit him he came and stayed by him when he was trying to raise money in Montreal so he stayed by this label you don't you don't mean uh um Nish no that's yeah no okay this label valovic no no no no no no no label Satan label your no no no no no no the guy lived on Kent again as I said caddy corner of Kramer and he has a son a in Florida and he has another son that's in business in Montreal oh label label Denberg Denberg label Denberg yeah that was his nephew yeah he was very close to him who ABN yeah exactly exactly originally from S I think he no he didn't put on also not no he put it was and he was 97 when he passed away but the left the his son my my son lives in Yosi Denberg Yosi he's my age so Yosi is a in Carl Springs oh okay yeah and my son lives in that community so I'm there you know yeah so he stayed by they call denber right exactly now there was another denber in Montreal yeah Rabbi in I used to call it across the street right I used to call it SCH and he was a very guy with what I understand and I found that out later he had a background with the groaners in his family if you go higher up he had a Shas or cousins or semi cousin with the groaners with the with the growner family but he he was he was Le's cousin right he wasn't a brother relationship no relationship to Lael Den are you sure yeah no relationship to label Denberg but he was was he an eloquent speaker he lived in Carlton on a board right onland no I don't think so at least if anybody came forland who was a grandfather of his Z an Americo he for sure was an American but he was was that guy Kramer used to use him to speak by Yesa dinners this guy was a power I would compare him a little bit AB he was like powerful speaker and whenever he said something boy it would it rang off in the whole the whole room it was but his name was denber too okay but used toing in the Yesa when he came to Montreal that's when you heard him when you were there yeah yeah he used to foring I don't think you related to him huh I don't I don't think your personality would relate to Theiss Style Rel I related to him very much no but but he you know he was all right right right you know and he's very fetched right that's what I was told he was very fetched yeah well that if he would not have become a murder you know who who you know told me that that if you would not join and and talking about you knew a little bit yeah we had a big big a full Floor Company actually two floors I should say it was and a big in a big uh in a big office building he he uh ran his business literally on two floors it was very big I heard he gave he gave SED yeah and he lived across the street of krer so naturally they became and then he would learn I heard with Isaac and him and Lura had a say this is already after you left I think that's had to be after I left because I don't remember you knew name he was to from the Pisha yeah yeah he was from the Pisha Mrs louah was a Canadian she was born in Canada an American Girl Canadian girl um but he was yeah he he C he came around the same time as the nine pilot ship yeah what about the burov ovich no the yovich yov that's what I was looking for before this kaan's brother worked with what's his name oh yeah so yich to Montreal yovich is interesting creature in it for himself him K those guys were nadus before they came to laich what brought him to laich was he was in a city I don't remember where somewhere still in Russia or around there um where there were a lot of biches there you know in those days so he sort of shifted what about but what really brought his shift was he married he married uh what's his name is a daughter um Al laich's daughter yeah yurovich the alter the Alta yovich married I got the name the two brothers that were left behind in Russian eventually came oh mkin no mkin the two brothers those were the two brothers but when they came they came thanks to f of this guy kleene no a senior a senior guy I don't know I don't know let me ask you what about shutz you know him I knew them all they were all uh sputz had a brother too I didn't know I didn't know that mavich he used to hang around the Young Israel on Hill Hillsdale Hill Crest whatever it was called over there and sputz also married a Canadian girl and um yeah and was Remain the eventually became became a teacher right in uh in the elementary school yeah and what about the SPs I knew them all a whole bunch of them the principal at that time he served this principal felu felu friend friends with him too he was I knew them all he was I knew them all I knew I interviewed F once you saw his house full of senior the senior yeah the exactly he must had 10 20,000 for him in this house whole house he called me up I must have you book i f there in English you know like what and you know you have doin don't ask me any questions I pay you whatever you tell me it costs I sent you a check yeah he he's buried right near on a laser oh yeah yeah when you go out of the oil you make a right and then a first left you go down sort of till the end our the laser is there and and he's there MH what time is it