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Pesach Maamar Matza Zu 1944 #7
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Eternity of Heavenly Hosts Jewish Philosophy
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okay just to just to recap briefly
we had a very both of you uh weren't
here yesterday but we had a very
uh open dialogue between all of us
yesterday
on what we learned and um i urge you to
look at that youtube it's recorded for
your own knowledge
and the discussion was
about global warming
is global warming alpinator
or is it not i'll pitoy
i mean i'm just modernizing
using a contemporary buzzword but
if you if if one learns yesterday's
section
it brought to mind the whole idea is
there such a thing
as cessation of
of create creations of hashem
in particular we spoke about the moon
the sun the constellations the stars
and it it's a rambam it's a rambam
and the philip cites him in the mirror
and this this means according to
pashto saks of him according to the
simple text
there's no such a thing that there will
be header
lacking and missing it and ex
the extinct extinctness of
species what there is
is the the um
the extinction
of of the brand
so i cited yesterday as an example
you know the hiloza the hilazane has
been an old an
age-old debate whether the fish still
exists or not
and if it does exist do we really know
which fish it is
is it possible is it possible that that
the losing fish is out of commission
i believe i'm not a bucky i'm not an
expert in this field so please
understand but the little i know is that
it's possible
and this is part of the argument between
those that are pro
trailers backers some of which we see in
h kodesh with their
and karl bakshu with their trailers
in khabad usually you won't find many
people wearing trailers
because the barbecue bayon
did not speak about it
and surely not wear trellis so in chabad
in lubavitch
it's not something that we do
however um
there are those like rabbi torski all
over shalom i've run towards you just
passed on
if you noticed his talos he did wear
trailers
which was fascinating and the
revolutionary
to his hasidic world of chernobyl
because the chernobyler the square and
the rakhmastrifka
and the talmud at least out here in
brooklyn
don't wear trailers rabbi twersky's
probably kids
and brothers don't wear trailers but he
wore trailers and i highly compliment
him
hilo do you know of his brother emichol
wears trailers
i don't think so right now
i'm sorry so
he doesn't so i'm right i'm right in my
assumption
that this was
okay so what what you see is
obviously you know free will and people
are if this is what they come to and
understand and determine
but what i'm saying the way i heard it
the way i heard rabbi twersky say it
say it is basically like
no harm done you know no harm no foul in
that uh
you know if it's not the right to
payless so what it doesn't hurt anything
and if it is so you know you get the
you get the whatever scar okay that's
why i heard him sort of
okay fine but but but we you need to
know that that was not the minnesota i'm
just saying
for sure yeah you know you know
everything you know as long as
as long as we know the the the the
larger picture
no problem but you got to know the
larger picture
does does anybody know i know that you
know there was a famous red zeener
brother right above the taylor right and
he would
like to find it is it is the is it
potatoes that the breast lovers
where is that his or her i
i i don't know but what do you mean is
that his is it the exact s
is is it coming from that exact fish
did they wear the takayla's based
you know it's a good question i don't
know does anyone know i don't know
okay anyway anyway
what'd you say there's two different
types
go ahead what do you mean it's two
different types
meaning that the uh one comes from the
key lesson and the and the other is
muric's
uh there's a lot of discussion between
you know what what the derivation of the
words where it's coming from
okay but well i'm just not ashamed i
want to get back to
the good that is that it is possible
that that fish the kilozone is gone
are you going to say that the species is
god
species means the group it comes from no
the group is still there
the particular fish is not so
when we say in the when it says isla
nadar moshe
and the rabbit brings it here and the
rambam cites it
it means that there's no such a thing
that
the fireball the the the sun
will cease to be now maybe maybe
a particular aspect unison had mentioned
something yesterday
a particular aspect of the sun
which allows itself to be guided by what
we call
the kayak the power of
a finite within god that maybe you could
say
will end at a certain time if you could
prove that
but the overall etzema son
will not cease to be uh a proof to this
i think is in in yehoshua
and qibla thomas the lubavitchers
love to quote this shemesh begin doing
the sun stopped and given
avi i'm sure knows where's giveaway navi
give us give us a quick
geographical location well
iran is uh north of yusuf
not far from where atara is
and on the way if you continue on the
road from
does it say over there ah yoni does it
say there
the shemesh was eliminated no
it says that it it became silent
it became covered it didn't come out
hashem made a miracle but not that there
was an elimination
of the shemesh why not why not
if hashem wanted to show a real miracle
he should have at least for that day
eliminated the the the the the chemist
it doesn't say that
and i'm just thinking about it possibly
the reason is because
it's an oxymoron to say that he would
eliminate the shemis
because he himself created the species
of shemesh
that means the shemesh is
and this is a yes this is a foundational
thought
in in the you gimmel of the rambam
which we sing and recite
and think about and talk about one you
say that you must know
when you talk about the yukimu ikrim is
that it's
nitrius it's eternal eternal
it's everlasting so if the abrasive in
this trailer kadasha
that's a reality that as if
god is real his creation is real
and as hashem exists
there's no such a thing as non-existence
god forbid of god
it's an oxymoron because he he exists
therefore his creation exists
and this also by the way would would
explain another
uh controversial discussion
of the tradis israel you all know that
some people would not learn to pharise
israel
why because regarding the verse
hashem creates worlds and he destroys
them
so that pharisee israel to mean
actual destruction of worlds and that
there were worlds here before
that we don't have today
and when people heard that they got very
upset
and they said wow and to the point where
some would not learn to ferris israel
today
everyone i would say does learn it but
there was a period in jewish history
after he came out up with this bombshell
interpretation
that rocked the boat in a way that
people didn't want to learn his
commentary
and why is that because again
thinking out loud the the the
the at least the uh one explanation of
his words are
that god eradicated something that he
himself created
and if it was a creation of god it's
eternal in its emes
if it doesn't go from the beginning
through the middle to the end meaning
it's always there it's not emma's
it's ms a little truth
etc cetera but it's not ms or as in the
lesson of the alternative
truth within truth
all of this i'm saying in conjunction to
what we learned yesterday
the rebbe said that how is it and why
is it that the species remains
it's because the kayak
energy the force that sustains
the world in itself is
infinite if it were to be
finite only there could be
an end to that kayak take for example
when you throw a rock upward how
far does that rock fly
and when does the rock fall back to
earth to the ground
when the gravity when the kayak of your
hand
that goes along with the rock ends
so then the rules and laws of gravity
make it go back
to the floor to the earth
why because to begin with
the kayak is limited
and since the kayak and the power of man
vis-a-vis the throwing is limited
the result is a limited one it goes back
to its
gravitational position
whose infinite the kayak is infinite
that's the kiddish of the rabbi here in
the miner
the rebels airing to what the rambam
says you understand
because we have the rambam before we
have the prosecutor
then we have the rambam so what's the
rabbit being
what is the what's his nuance what's his
his that not only is the result
eternal but the reason why the result is
eternal is because the force is
eternal
okay you think about it it's it's it's
important
you could it's it's it's understandable
it's workable it's not beyond your minds
please just take some time later
think about it shabbos learn some of the
rambam
and you'll understand it take out an
english book from a scientist i'm
a firm scientist and i'm sure they talk
about this
let's continue back yes yes
first of all you mentioned it's fair
cistral so
you mentioned that there were segments
of claudio's soul that did not
they rejected that or did not feel
comfortable with luna what about the
rambam right even though when the rambam
first
brought out things there was also okay
so strike two
question of going back to the species
though
so again i just know
you know at least scientifically that
there are certain species
that are no longer uh according to
science that are no longer
in this physically in this world right
bird you know the dodo bird i mean i'm
just you know
you're bringing out one but wait wait
wait wait
is it the type of bird i use the word
the brand
that's no longer or is it it's not that
the overall
bird species doesn't exist i'm making a
distinction between species and kind and
brand
okay okay all right so then that okay so
then if
if we're talking about the brand it
could be it could be
extinct yes yes
that's that's what i was saying and that
and that's what the rep is saying
and that's the way to understand the
rambam that's what i'm
okay okay let's go now 222 six lines for
the top
the last four words you the i said i'm
moving them
mastermind what's wrong milo this
concept will be more
understood if we look if we if we talk
about learn about the heavens and the
hosts
the heavenly hosts
were my love the heavens and all the
constellations and all the heavenly
hosts
they are as powerful today
as the day of creation during the six
days of creation
uh he quotes
almighty on the verse the verse says
ayla told us
these are the offsprings of the heavens
and the earth began he bought him
the day of creation comes along and says
they are as mighty as strong today
only 6 000 years and they haven't
withered an inch they haven't lost any
potency they got still that one-two
punch they're strong
and that and yet they are limited
creatures
um and they're comprised of a goof and a
nephesh
there is the spirit and the driving
force of the sun
and then there's the sun bull mukbal
meaning that that that when you talk
about this
situation there's a possibility for some
amount of of uh have said of loss
let me call malcolm nevertheless each
mayhem
this is what we were just saying moshe
the species doesn't cease to be
the least room hefty cloud the species
is eternal
fish
6 000 years will be how the alma will be
the world the world would exist
and one meaning the seventh millennium
will be um destruction
ocean nemo
a verse in israelite the heavens
like smoke
nimla who um i'm not sure if they mean
here salted or destroyed with the look
of the verse
maybe avi you know or you they her
audience
beg it go ahead
someone said knows the interpretation of
nemo here in this verse
and the earth like a garment that gets
ruined okay
so what what's the question
this hazal and this using this verse
implies that there'll be a time
when there will be total destruction
just like the pharisees israel
said about uh that there once were
worlds that were destroyed
right so that that's through his
rhetorical question so the rabbi's
retort is
[Music]
sorry this is still part of the question
how does yourself self give to do
the end will be they'll be have said
loss
so here he retorts and he says
that's only because hashem at that
moment
wants it to be
by the way what
is also not controversial big discussion
yes hillel what what did you just say
in translating that line at that moment
he means that rock meets on rats
it could also be you know in the
original design of something
that uh you know like your body's uh age
and you know there's you know there's a
there's a uh there's
there's many factors in nature that uh
that seems like by design originally
so they were saying good good good good
good good
good uh good good uh point
what i meant is it it it is originally
by design but it works
it will express itself in that moment
yeah that's what i meant i
i i resemble that remark okay
by the way there's a commentator i think
i think he's a rishi
the ralph bagh it's called the outback
and that alba i don't recall his acronym
now but
says
[Music]
an infant mission
from when he's born
begins to dry out
which means death begins at birth
to dry out to to basically die to wither
yeah like a lulu like a lulu it doesn't
begin when you're 85 and 90
etc
why i view that i view all these
processes as kind of uh occurring
simultaneously i mean at the cellular
level cells are being born and dying
okay simultaneously okay fine good
good the ratio tends to change over time
right no but but but hello it's it's
it's
a very important perspective
it's one we don't like to think about
but
it the perspective is like hey
every day get moving every day get
moving
you know what i'm saying it's it's to me
it's an upbeat and it gets you to go
you know to move anyway let's go back to
the text i agree
i agree with that okay
reportedly
it is not similar to the
loss to the losses
that from its very creation it begins to
deteriorate
yes he well i don't know how to say it
he's saying that the rotten hashem
is that at this moment that's why i said
this moment
they have say dude should begin at this
moment which is
the elephant the seventh the the
millennium the
[Music]
roof
that from the very beginning of its
creation
from the moment it was created masculine
it begins to deteriorate it's not this
way with these creatures
look at this he quotes the bakaya i
thought it was an outback
sorry that's what happens i i i only i
already learned i only learned that 45
years ago 47 years ago so i guess i
i forgot the citation
yeah okay fine but i had
[Music]
an infant from the day he's born
materialis
this is what you get guys when you go to
yeshiva and you learn as a young boy
you remember certain things you know not
exactly but
it's engraved in your head and it it
stays with you it's like 47 years later
anyway behind us
look at the words now deterioration
have said moshe hitomi boy
it's always there it's always there
conversely hilal he is making a
distinction
conversely
they're as strong as a day they were
created the imbecile schumer say the
cloud they have no deterioration at all
at all kim
rather leo
will come in the future
in the future you've subdued them hater
be a
new army they will deteriorate
very speedily on me
says
[Music]
the deterioration of the shamayim
it's where meshiach will come is not
this
idea of deterioration as we
conventionally know it
to be to any
creature that we know the human species
the what is its deterioration it's
that the will of god sustains it
okay
and when god decides i wanted to be to
deteriorate at that moment it will
happen automatically
so what's the difference the difference
he's saying i guess
that by nature
creation of of man lends itself to
have said to deterioration
and creation and creation
of the heavenly hosts does not
and the fact that it says that there'll
be a time
comes when there'll be
destruction of those as well that's
because
god decided so you could say hello he
decided he decided at the time of
creation
that it will be later that's why i
pointed out to you
you emphasize that it's by design i'm
saying it could
it is by design but the design is not
the back when they created the design is
the i'm going to be pushing the button
of deterioration of
a statehood in the seventh millennium
yes i understand yeah yeah i understood
like uh but and
that that certainly makes sense when you
think of human affairs you know like the
the uh you know uh the the judgment of
the the uh
you know the fall of the house of asa
etc
unmute yourself we can't hear you
hi
is the spiritual part so we say
that that that at this particular time
the homemade is going to gather over the
school
so the physical we don't see how the
spiritual
environment looks physical
it could be that that at the time this
mission
comes the struggle
is introducing the concept that's
brought in hasidis that there's claimer
and surah
climber is the material tsuru is the
formation
of the material the spirit and the
material
and what he's saying that maybe what's
being addressed is
that the claimer will be destroyed
the material will be destroyed and the
the surah the spirit will
will continue and will overpower and
overshadow the claimer
it's true let's do what you just said
let's continue
the existence of the
heavenly hosts now
[Music]
or it's
uh an unchangeable
and uninterruptible
existence
we must say that this comes from the
force that's infinite
that sustains and enlivens keeps it
going constantly
because it doesn't change
did you did right so again
if the global warming advocates believe
there's an
actual change in the sun ball and all
that it wouldn't be martin
it doesn't correspond to what he says
here in the name of tito
et cetera oh but that's not you have a
redundant that's that's
that's not what they're saying about
global warming they're not saying the
sun's changing
they're saying that because of our
actions
that the that there's been damage that's
been caused to the
elements of the atmosphere okay in other
words it's not
it's not that the it's not that the
kurdish creation
so to speak has been changed meaning
it's been altered but it's been altered
let's say by our
by our activities here
in in our activities well okay
okay thank you for that i mean does that
make sense to say
that the sun can change because of what
we do
well again the sun's not changing oh so
we're changing we have uh
we have uh styrofoam so that's
using styrofoam we're changing
we are our styrofoam is causing damage
okay that could be that could be
that that could be but i know i'm just
saying making the distinction they're
not saying
that the sun is changing okay thank you
thank you i i thought that they were
arguing that as well thank you
okay they are saying
that the temperature on the planet is
measurably getting hotter
and that that has effects on the ice and
and water flow and weather patterns
no so that that's what i thought but
mush is uh so i guess
we have a much like this between hillel
and motion
they're not this temperatures they're
claiming the temperatures are changing
it's not because of the sun it's because
yeah
i agree with that in the atmosphere
that that issue in other words if you if
there are things in the atmosphere
that are being deteriorating so it's
allowing
more of the sun to get in
itself or to be or to be or to
raise the surface temperature because
it's being trapped
because it's being trapped by uh by more
carbon
atmosphere correct good good
good like a uh you know like a
greenhouse
a greenhouse okay very good let's
continue
um mk um
goes further now this is
uh more philosophical the footnote 47
says that this is brought in a safer
you only wanted to know more about the
swarm militia wanted to know too
there's a safer called safer hakira
look at note 47
the history briefly in 1843
that samar sadiq led a group
of rabonim
and rebus whoever to
to petersburg to
not allow them to change
various issues in the front community
and before that
he felt that they're going to ask him
basic questions
on faith and god
so he studied and he wrote
a safer a book of philosophy
and it was meant to be private
it was for himself as preparing for a
meeting
okay
in or 12 i believe
someone publicized this safer a jew by
the name of
rabbi hellman
rabbi hellman was at lebanon hussit
of one of the other sons of the tzamak
not the rebel marash
and he received the document i think
moshe i wrote a little bit about this in
portraits volume too and he received
the documents and the safe the the safer
from one of the other sons or grandsons
of the tsa mahzadik
and he claimed and it's probably
so that he had permission to print it
his when it was printed
the cousin and son of the rebel marash
was very upset very upset
because he said my grandfather
wanted it to remain private why
because since it's philosophical issues
if you're not
in tune with jewish philosophy
you can easily become an appetitis
you have to really have a strong
background of tata
just as the tradition in the community
is
one should avoid learning
guide of the for the perplex of the
rambam until you're
strong in your munna because the rambam
deals with philosophical questions
and if you don't have a perspective you
can make a u-turn
very easily a left turn
so two would say this is the book
and a little of the history that we're
talking about here
and it's very i have not learned it it's
very deep
and uh with hashem's help one day
to learn it yes helen the the ram khao
has a safer kokuru
kubo okay that's a different safe it's a
different safer
i i frank i i frankly don't do i'm not
i haven't seen it um but
every one of these photos that deals
with kakira philosophy
you need to be you know knowledgeable
because it's not just
words it's it's it's refined refined
material
right so so now the previous three ebber
is sharing in his own words some
thoughts
from say but since it's uh
eight almost time we'll stop here and
tomorrow we'll continue from here in
mirza shep
everyone have a great day zait kizunt
thank you
should have a good only everyone should
have good health yes
i won't i won't be here tomorrow my
father has a doctor's appointment i have
to go to your salon
okay the most important thing is
keyboard
aim do whatever it is to keep your
father healthy and better
and hashem will help that we'll all see
mashiach and the health will be
great zeitgeist take care good day
it's the rabbit singh khayyam ushka
schneerson's
letters today her birthday's cuff hey
other
okay zygom bye