New Tanya Hashalem #1- Rabbi Yosef Keller, manuscripts on Tanya, Reb Efraim Smilaner - RC Dalfin

Welcome to meaningful interviews. I'm here today with Rab Yeetsz Keller, an author, a scholar, and most recently I came across a publication that the world of Leb is talking about and I'm sure the greater Yiddish Jewish world will talk about soon, which is I believe it's called the Tanya Hashim. And my understanding is that the Reb wrote a wrote or indicated that he wanted to do this. I don't know if this is what he wanted to do but they think this is what he wanted to do which is to bring all perushim of all pirim of the ofadim only from the alter till our uh kadish the should call it and um so that's that's that's a wonderful thing what I read when they announced it is that um you you you you were involved and uh I think it said you worked on manuscripts and that interests me. So if you could tell us a little bit about the project if I you know if I didn't mention something you know more about it than I do and then we'll you'll tell tell us specifically what you added to it. >> Okay. So basically the rebba actually followed through on this basic idea when he asked to put together and perushim included not only from but also from others for instance of >> right >> um who has uh some other uh that were from Graham but uh >> and Raik included them in his work >> in in his work. Yeah. Then and obviously also from and himself and whatever he found. So in this edition they focused on the from I believe from the himself. There are memorials from the alterb explaining different passages of Tanya that the alterb said during the years after the Tanya was published. As a matter of fact, the earliest that we have of the Tanya, what's called Madur of the Tanya, okay, we have quite a few, but I believe the earliest was actually written in >> there's a different city called let's not confuse the >> Where is the line? Where is it? >> It's in Ukraine somewhere. >> Uhhuh. Okay. And uh there was Rabakov one of the uh collectors fundraisers for the he was in charge of all the fundraising where making sure that money gets there and that it's all collected in Russia in Ukraine >> on behalf of the alter >> on behalf of the alternation from when vitam passed away. Correct. until they parted company. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> And he had his own shalom. >> So apparently this safer was under the I believe in it says France Miler. Now one thing in general usually when you say all these names usually they were of these cities who mentioned by the he It was also drove as it says in the sh blood of of of this and it's known this is known as Tanya Brook because Brook and sent it to to the rebel apparently what not to so uh and from this they actually printed the madam of the Tanya >> what's interesting also is that the earliest dated memorial that we have at the earliest dates uh is some which happens to be the date when passed away >> passed away right >> and for all you know it might have been said the m that first minor dated miner at at the m of because we know some >> times but in any case uh in that he refers in in a few memorial to the canal bat cotton or canal banana god tan obviously is the Tanya that we have the way we have it now it's 53 proim but the way it it was then at the time that al released it was 39 proim was the pro from lmed alf in those 39 were available from that part of the tanya we know there's the other part of that's called or and that had at the maybe 12 because uh and uh what do you mean not it's what it's what it it includes now up to middle of Gidal but one of the pros which is a pretty large pic is because some of it was omitted some of it where it talks about was taken out and then reinserted in the edition so could be was broken up into a few prophets >> and Then could have been listed as one. So you have to look at the videos that list the numbers of pro how many pro they are. But in any case this is the earliest manuscript dated manuscript well the it contains the earliest dated which are after the time >> or after parts of the time the early parts of the time. >> Mhm. So, so when you talk about a manuscript, when you talk about how do you decipher I mean here here we know that it's you say it's written by >> no it wasn't written by him it belonged to him but as a matter of fact it also includes certain from the so one thing about the is that he took upon himself and he did it in the early years to travel a little not just to in labage but what about the city who were to labavage and weren't going to travel to Labavage. So in the early years we have from certain years that then he traveled to different cities even traveled to Pich and in the summer of he actually married off uh one of the sons of who married the son of a brother who was in harness at the time. >> Yeah. So he traveled all the way down and stopped off with many cities on the way. He stopped off with Kchoken and other cities. Um but aside of that, Sadi Zagen took a uh he traveled to uh the different cities, the Brona and other cities and while he was in one of those cities, he he also stopped by in now Paracher was when did he stop off in Silan? Around Paras. Uh Hill Par was there a little before and a little after but when he made that detour to line. It could be that little Pure did not come along because that was that detour was specially in order to we get to see them at Sign and because this rub was in line so we recorded it. >> So that's that's uh >> Mhm. So so so the the objective of this duta is just the the the burim of the >> of the Yes. Not and any the other not. >> Now there were when the printed from >> Yes. There was uh a few which which had uh some of the and some other that it turned out afterwards that they were of who later became the of and he has many comments on on differentas. But could be that those uh ago because they were once published under the title of even though now by now we know that some of them are not could be those are also included in that I wouldn't know it's a big go through the whole thing. >> Okay. Now are we able to discern who wrote these things? >> Okay. So what what's interesting is for instance from Tom yet those that were copied from those those that he wrote on the margin of we have certain manuscripts that contain those and we have other manuscripts that contains and also the style is different when one can tell by now we can probably tell what is and what is >> okay so but but both of them let's say these do they have different different different >> I'll give you I'll give you I'll give you an example of of certain types of ao that wrote we know that uh one of the people or maybe the person who prepared to get for print I think that was quite involved in in the preparation of printing obviously the wasba and he printed it but could be that assisted him in assembling the different place we don't know what the role exactly is but we have a two manuscripts that later that had could be he had before printed. There's a book that's now numbered 1034. Another one that's 1064. It could be it's not sure exactly when the when they got those manuscripts but in any case in the Gakdesh when they first printed it they usually cut and sliced and diced for instance certain pieces they didn't they didn't print it they they didn't always print the entire regettus and some pieces of what was not printed copied on the margin of of his I guess maybe he decided that it should be printed future editions or not but in any case so those are amongst the >> comments that we have from from >> so my question is >> if the chose not to put in the full letter of the alterb and you're imply you're saying that sometimes wrote it on on his margins implying that it should go in what what happened before did it go or not. >> If it was most of these that are they went in. >> So what's the logic? You know >> the logic is the himself said I for instance when he prepared the for publication he said that there might be some mistakes but I've my my son-in-law Rael will be in charge of making sure what should go in what should not go in. We see even now that uh we have well most of the manuscripts of the that which uh from the an of the that were printed in the we see sometimes there are differences between the way it's printed and the way it's it's uh and and usually the way it's printed is actually a better version. It's more mug there's there's reason to it. It's and the apparently the had relied on >> also the later printed the oil that says somewhere that writes somewhere that the his father had actually asked to prepare those publications of of the as the way said that so even though it's it's we know it's a project that did >> yes >> but there's indication that actually asked him to do it his father asked him to do it >> oh and that's you say it's in where >> what >> where is this written >> I believe It's in one of the letters of the >> Okay, we'll continue in a moment.