Mussar vs. Chasidus

we're on page 40 uh in this mimer which we'll finish between today tomorrow mr sherman and yesterday we learned a very interesting idea um where he brings the gemara that chuva may veer a full ilam doing truva brings healing to the world and he gives a muscle and he says a muscle sometimes the reason for healing is because the aver the limb is hurt is damaged and other times it's not the limb but rather moshe could you mute your thing please other times it's not the limb but it's the kayak coming from the nephesh from the soul that that's supposed to energize the goof the aver the limb it's not flowing it's not working this is what he said so he says there's some 30 says there's some some type of medicine which makes the the kayak the energy flow okay so this is this is the muscle now on line two in the middle of the line he speaks about the nimsho the moral and he speaks about it in spiritual terms smack in the middle of the line page 30 page when a person blemishes one of the myths the first thing you need to know you need to know is the cause of the illness gum what's the reason the pagam came the blemish came what did you do wrong it could be at times that the what caused you to blemish is because of the coarseness of your body this individual is very very materialistic very corporeal to the point of corporeality grub um and he's immersed in the needs of the body in other words um the person can't dive in and shoot what a global bench yes but we're giving i'm giving you an example there's different types of grub kite a person can't dive in the shoe if he has two days and he hasn't showered so you could say he's a clean person and the mission says in mercedes uh tevye of the you know the the servant of the sage of rebels i think it was for um that which exact sage istanis the mr says moshe is than this you know what instant this means someone is very particular then finicky finicky so it can't happen hashem says it's two days rosh hashanah whether in america canada or israel and we don't shower and that's the bottom line that means that you're able to do it but he is such a so indulged in goofness that it over it overrides his spiritual side he's seen this is very important to know because this is a question that comes up how do you know that what i'm doing for the sake of health and sanity and shalom bias and hashem is god's will versus it's my own trip a very fine line a very fine line and the example that i once gave was worth repeating there's a poor person who hasn't eaten well in many days he's invited by someone who has a lavish meal he comes to the meal and he meets someone there that he knows from the community who rather is on the wealthy side but for some reason he's also invited his wife is out of town or whatever he wants his friendship and they're both sitting there and the waiter brings them both a porsche to eat they start eating and who eats with more uh enthusiasm who's all over the food the poor person he hasn't eaten well in many days the rich person is eating with his knives and his forks and this and his serviette and his napkin and he's all cool calm and collective about his eating a few minutes later someone comes in and takes away the plate of food for each one the question that we need to ask is who will be more upset that they don't have their food now the poor person who's still hungry or the wealthy person and the answer is the wealthy person not the poor person why because the poor person never had it to begin with so the food and the person didn't become one they don't equal each other whereas the wealthy person is so united with all of his material needs that yes at the time when they use it they look cool common collective as though they're not immersed in the food but when you if you if and when you take away the food for them or if you when you take away their gas mias they become all frazzled and angry and and and cuckoo that shows that who really is immersed in the gosmius it's the wealthy person not the poor person so this muscle could be explained over here too that there is two different types of hakshama hakshama yoni used the word before graphqite or an english coarseness corporeal so one is a very observable outward type of grub kite that we see by ourselves and others at various times there's another type that's very very very subtle and it's not observable but if you push the button boy does it come out i recall years ago there was a question in a community about choosing a rov a rabbi for a large community and they they they they were about to vote on people who were not gen not bred and born uh of this particular community they were you know what we you know what we what they call a sugar combination means they arrived they they added they came later and this one person who come came from real real um hasidic stock with a great pedigree he like just jumped up and he exploded and he was one of the candidates and that left a very poor taste on everyone there and he did not win he lost and the others won what came out were what was what's what seemed to be his true colors now do i know i don't know i'm just telling you the way it was perceived so the the the line between really doing something for the cause or doing it for yourself is a very sensitive refined one and it's one that we've been speaking about throughout our learning and particularly in this mimer remember what he said hate has two meanings either hate means sin or hate means lacking then he said hate also means cleansing someone who's really generally clean and holy and good and doing what it is but he has a little little ego that little ego for him is considered the pinnacle of transgression and it shows that he is not yet the servant of hashem and therefore he is not suitable to be a leader um over others because before you can be a leader over others you need to be a leader over yourself and if you don't control your ego then how do you expect to control other people's ego and if you think you can do it by force we see it doesn't work so all of this is encapsulated in the due to the words and the grub kite of his body and bodily needs um i i brought all of this because the word meshuk moshe immersed right shikua it's so immersed he's so immersed that it's you know the expression silent but deadly it's also called invested he's invested in in a negative way in this case it's so it's all about his own self ego and self want well the problem so that's one type of cause for spiritual illness number two um the rebbe says the second possible reason why he is ailing spiritually is because he has little fear of god his fulfillment of mitzvahs just by wrote like people doing things that they're trained to do you can get out of your pajamas get into your pajamas or out of your pajamas going to school and say yesterday put on film in your sleep because you do it every day it's habit moshe it doesn't mean that you're connected has a third reason for the spiritual malady hillel and that is kill kuladeos a warped mind famished philosophically and ideologically messed up islam which we saw in the last generation and the last time the holocaust an entire country and people and the movement you know i'm not saying everyone but large part of them came to the determination that yidan and others are like vermin et cetera and they justified it with seiko this is warped thinking so there's a third reason why sometimes we transgress cucudius now you see we just see the bottom line it's only about ourselves yoni that we could really know is maya vera because i messed up in my head with my ideas is my is my aveira because i am i'm lacking gears from i am or it's because i'm grub it's three different reasons and they don't all have to come to say at the same time and and and and one does not have to have all three you can have one out of three two out of three or guess what three out of three and you're out there so that's what the reference says you have to know ma the cause for the illness so once you know that sort of losses of the fool is there you got to begin healing what are you going to do about it your leg hurts you what are you doing about it your head hurts you what are you doing about it for says that but when it comes to spiritual maladies that a fool is chuva what is truva regret for the past and resolve for the positive in the future from today on but really regret and really resolve the name when you do real truva you get new energy new kayak that was reserved in your soul and it never came out and now you're accessing fresh energy oh it's fresh energy it never was plagued it never had psoriasis it never had pimples it never had chickenpox it never had any illnesses it's fresh coming out of the package which is the soul the nephesh i knew the malice has gone and it's that fresh energy that now will fulf fulfill will complete will heal the blemish and this piece of mimer that we learned now is really if i had to say it the difference between the hasidic approach and the musa approach which we'll take a moment and talk about that both approaches are tater approaches castro for want to say that either is not toyota both are tighter and just for the record early hasidam learned musser the outer rep and the kute toro when he talks about the three preparations before davenink going to the mikvah giving sadaka and then he says learning zoar and he calls it musser which khabar interprets as learning hasidis but the words in the mimer if you're not a kabaddi and you learn the mimer it says learn musa which it learns and he calls it musser so whether you interpret that as part of his stream of thinking which is hasidis or you take it at face value we do know that early hasidim learned muslim the rebel let's go now 200 years later the rebel wrote to many hassanim that the the way they should prepare for their wedding is to learn gracious heavy good heavy muscle classical old-time user not new rabbis that's all what we call new muscle this is old muscle gracious you know what we call the fire and brimstone moser where it says if you do this and this aveira you're getting this and this punishment that you're going to burn this in this way or your soul is going to be thrown this in this way it says it says it all so to say that the baal shem tov did not accept musser is ridiculous it's wrong so that you have to know right away the question is the emphasis what should be the emphasis believe the emphasis should be the lit fisher world believe uh not all the literature but those that follow muslim because you all know that there was a very big disagreement in the muslim world whether you should if muslim should be included as a as part of the curriculum i mean i've written about this extensively in my books because this is a major issue in the last hundred year lit fish world i mean today pretty much almost no yeshivas to learn muslims seriously but pre holocaust navarre dick you know mere they learned seriously musser and between you and i the results were much better but we're not going to go there okay even without the beards it's hardly anyone no one had a beard you weren't allowed to have a beard unless you came in with a beard which you know but the element of yerusha mayan was was greater but that's another discussion and that really needs data which uh shows stamford from i think bar elan and various professors that are living now in architectural have done very very important studies on this issue the musser movement in the lithua in the literature yeshivas but but but i'm going back to earlier so the rabbit says to the huss in in in in 1980 and 1990 1970 you're getting married you're going under you need to learn racist i learned racist hawk when i got married my eyes always popped out i never learned it before and i learned to get us that you learn to get us at amban and you see that marriage is really serious holy business going on and you have to know what to eat and what not to eat then one two week that will not do it i don't want to go into the details i have youngsters upstairs but if you read the geras he spells it all out and and and i learned to get us it about and i'm a libertarian you know and everything else so what titus taylor the question is overall what do i emphasize number two number two the question is also what do you teach a newcomer be it yourself or someone else right away so there is a school of thought that you you kind of um uh how should i say this you mellow out the musser and you give the more practical things like zrizos alacrity nikiyo's cl cleanliness you know um say their orderliness this is from right ramos sato was considered also from the latter musser although he wasn't technically a muslim but he he he includes that in in his forum of course he wrote miscellaneous which could be which is considered a modern safer of muslim so what do you see over there you see that the approach is what the approach is to to to remove the fire and brimstone of old classic classical musser and water it down but bottom line cleanliness orderliness and uh and and things like that says don't water anything down especially the chabad system of hasidis give people everything give them the depth of god creation ex nilo cause and effect spheros emanations bombard them with ideas that are way beyond who they are and what they know and let them swim in the ocean of knowledge and as you swim you get more comfortable and more comfortable and then you say wait a minute this is who i am you mean i'm an emanation of god and i have a soul which is greater than an angel well what's an angel what's a soul and so has citizen general bashar khabad is particularly of in its system believes in not watering down not watering down hasidis and i say but in particular because rabbi from kawasaki and the left of each of them they did believe in not not giving the entire um hasidic ideology of philosophy to people they felt too much and that's a whole other discussion i've also written about it i'm writing more about it now you know but but but even even then hey one second you gotta let let me finish because this is a monologue that's very relevant to many things even they who who believe in in in in water you know giving less watering down you know just go and muna and munna and by the way when i say it's not like you know be a horse a horse a horse don't be a fool and munna is not being a fool and munna means there's a munna with khabad and there is a munna with hagas but a munna is an avoider and anything that's an avoider an activity a service is is meaningful and deep and the question is what tool do you use for a munna do you use khabar do you use the middles which is the difference between the chabad system and the other system and the other system most others okay i'm not talking about slalom now i'm not talking about breast lift because these are all nuances that have to be looked at very carefully you know we tend to put everything in one basket and it's shallow but you know no one takes the time to reload analyze like someone someone asked me yesterday yaakov who's not on the yakov spiel he asked me to explain the difference between the chabad shita musser and bressliffe in brussels if i told him i'm not ready to answer him until he sends me some material which i could look over yamtiv and see if i can come up with my understanding of rav nachman's approach to muslim because i'm not i'm not very well versed enough in his torah to be able to answer that but it's a very good question what is the difference or or or order a baron kaliner stolen carleen and and then you go to sloan the four has the four russian casinos right uh breslav uh chernobyl chabad and um and slander although slanders you know sometimes this part of the you know but they're considered a a so going back to going back moosa musa emphasizes the problem and the issue and how do i deal with it now and that's why mushroom has a great appeal for i would say the average person because it deals you're you're you're not clean clean yourself up you're not on time come on time and it tells you abc do this do that you know gives you uh gadarim it gives you ways so that you don't come to breaching time space and all that that's muslim hasidis is talking about like i said before the summer and and the creation of the world and that's the difference between at least one difference between what we're learning here the two types of healing there's one excuse me you must take that box into the car and drop it off today so the the the the the two types of healing one type of healing is he says to fix the aver to fix the limb the problem the hand hurts fix the hand put some ointment on it do exercises deal with the issue right now moosa the other issue is trebba says reveal fresh energy from the nephesh that's never been tapped yet that when it comes forth it brings a new life to the to the to the hurt hand and the hand doesn't hurt anymore but it's coming because of the fresh energy so i look at the fresh energy as the eleon the upper you know immersing your mind to something higher someone told me yesterday about uh someone who i spoke recently about i did a tribute to passed away that he wrote to the rebel uh you know about issues that concern serious yeshiva students in in the hasidic world the number one thing that concerns serious hasidic students in the hasidic world is omission of seed zero levator and this and this is why there's many swarm many holy books about it and there's masbim and this is a very big topic in the uh hasidic world in particular in in the literature world it's not as much discussed emphasized etc what was the rebbe's approach when students wrote to him about this they felt bad i know a friend of mine told me when he was like 16 or 17 we were in yeshiva i never knew this he told me he went over tower russia shiva who was a laboratory from the old country and he says i feel guilty i feel guilty because i have this issue and and and and and he said and the russia shiva said to him you are to forget it and don't look back and just focus your mind on learning and davening and doing good mitzvahs the rapper says the same thing as it's called divert your attention that was the rapper's approach now i'm not saying that would be the approach a hundred years ago on the bavage but in our generation the rep has said that to many bhakram and it's in writing in the igor sky division and you can read it in english in hebrew in every language what's the approach what's the idea this idea rather than focus on the problem the aver the limb that's been hurt focus on the neshomer on the highest and when you immerse yourself in highest we've seen this and i've i've seen it i've seen on my own eyes i've seen students who were not good students who were not studied and interested and some were you know into not things that were for them good and they started to learn hasidis i saw how they changed i saw how they all of a sudden dropped a lot of their stupid why because when you get a new highest you wake up one day you say wait a minute i i i misassessed who i am i'm really someone else and someone very special oh [Applause] and then you want to know more about that and this is the difference between these two things it's your turn now hillel and whoever else yes i had a question ralph yes moshe okay yeah um you would mention if you don't want to talk about it now to take away maybe i can message you it's a safer it's the book that uh deals specifically with marriage and so on is that right not oh no racist clockwork speaks about a lot of things but there's one section in there that talks about marriage and preparing yourself spiritually for marriage correct but it's not an entire save for a marriage yes hello yeah i just wanted to understand the what what is the term musa mean before there was a muslim movement in the same way that we you know the word had a different meaning before there was a pacific okay okay so right the rebbe says when the altar brother says to learn moser i just want to sort of have a sense of what that mean i understand it's like uh and so on but but what's what was the implication of that term before that because well well again it adds a certain yes okay but but remember altar became after racist so the term moosa the term muslim going back to rabbani and you know talking about a thousand plus years ago and and the rambam and and and the racist muslim means uh what we discussed which is you know heavy scolding of fire and brimstone now if you're asking so so when the outer ribber writes musa he he either means the muslina or the moosa brought in the zayar or it means the zayar and that that's the that's the debate what does he mean but one thing for sure he doesn't mean musser pre-rabbena so now let's go to your question or maybe this i think you meant to ask what did it mean before ethics pity of us is hey i want to ask you a question it's pierki others muslim no picky office is mishna it's not museum so we have pierce i.e muslim which is ethics we have muslim and ira and racism which is fire and brimstone and then we have musa of rabbi cilantro and slobodka etc and nevada which is um you know another form of uh as i said watered down and maybe some don't like that word so it's more mellowed out compared to you know the fire and brimstone of of before and and with hasa distance you imagine hasidis before the bashantov you you know that the villain of going was called hakasid do you know that the vilna guy was classified and that was considered a tremendous title he was called by the average person on the street whoever was learned the hosted the going he wasn't a husset we know that but he was very pious so what's that's a gumball above akama right and with the gemara there and babakama by the way says if you want to if you want to be a hasid learn and you learn so we find that you know going back to the times of the the murder and the mishna hasidis was uh referring to pirkei of this also so pierke office was kind of a generic name for being a mensch for behaving properly and being a mensch both the words kossith and moosa became uh have different connotation once rabbini and and his school of thought came about and that period and then robert shakain will talk to her with and casitas um and the and the resulter and that period brought in another meaning to the to the word i i believe you could check this online but i believe that's a g i i just made a general classification that i think has you know is correct details you know you have to get into more if you want to know exactly when and you know what period and you also have to know that there were different schools of mussar and there was an italy and in france and and in russia ukraine so you're talking about different schools for example if i told you that a masjid hai mulsato did not have a beard would you fall off your chair i would satu the ram cow who writes all this for him and he has merciless asharam and he doesn't have a beard well when i found that out i almost fell over chair and i said what's going on here and the answer is the answer is his italian he came from italy i believe his approach to musser was one that somehow i don't know how he how he explained the phrases in the tsar about the holiness of the beard i don't know how he justified it but he didn't so here i'm showing you that you know it's it's you're talking about a giant i mean a giant and a palm moosa bali who doesn't learn who doesn't know about mr strong today in other words let's say nevada right the vardik was very heavy muslim to the point of humiliation you know they would do things that would make themselves look foolish and stupid just to break their ego okay i've i've written about this too and and and you take a look at pictures pre-holocaust of the nevadic they all have full beards they look like with barbitures and they work with barbecues they were real hardcore lit very froomlit fox and and and muserniks the most extreme of muslim was novartic at the time and yet they have entire beards so reminiscent of saturn doesn't have a beard and the vardar who who who's so extreme does have a my point is they're different schools and they're different you know the the founders had their ways of coming to those those decisions and and it continued ah it continued on and and frankly the nevada um tell me and they had a lot a lot of yeshivas in europe really really um created very beginner shamaya i had a teacher got shem self he must be 106. hope he's alive here in bushiony avenue n and east 9th rabbi lesevnik rap we used to call him louie rabbi lesevnik was our grammar teacher in high school it was a short little man with a little spitz birdie goatee and he had a phd from columbia university in semitic languages i believe and he was from the verdict and he was hardcore musser he wasn't our hebrew teacher as an english teacher so it dawned on me because most of my teachers both english and hebrew passed away and i heard that he might be alive so one sunday i got in the car about a year a year and a half ago and i was driving someone else and i made a turn the other way and i went i'm gonna find them i didn't know and i went and i asked where's robert zevnick's shoe and they said right there in the corner and i went up and he was sitting a little man in a chair he was then 104 years old i think and i said to him rebbe i said i'd like to bring you to 770 because you have hundreds of students that were your students at the bavaria yeshiva in the english department and they would they they think either say this thing but they thought he was dead i remember a friend of mine in california he said hi you mean he's alive he says i've been saying jokes about him for the last 25 years to my congregants here in brentwood california and he's still alive i said barack he is alive i met with him i showed him the picture so i said as i said to rebel at zevnik if i bring you to 770 you'll have about 200 people around you they won't believe it this is like going back in time 50 years and you know what he said to me he said in yiddish oh no that i won't do it's guyva and that statement that moment and the way you said it at 104 years old is classical good old nevartic it's guyva you mean i'm gonna stand up and people are gonna make a big deal about me no i'm not doing that and just to have that experience for me it's like a once in a lifetime experience because i didn't live in the verdict and i didn't live in your pre-europe and here i had a pre-europe experience in 2018 so there are different forms and that's what what i conclude with there are different forms and the alternative and the friday cadet here is suggesting the pal shentos approach as an emphasis and within the bashem approach the chabad emphasis which is draw the fresh blood and i can tell you that today this is most important in all communities i'm telling you the kids out there the youngsters lit i'm telling you when you give them something upbeat they they listen they they they want to know more about when you when you repeat the same old stuff from the past and you and the beating up and all that they're going the other way and this is true of the biggest ponovitcher and mirror and and whatever else yeshiva and lakewood i'm telling you it's only the exception to the rule that still cherishes and you know lavishes for good old-time muscle but the average guy student today wants fresh energy and fresh blood and i think we could do it so although we're all in our midlife we need to be fresh really understand and only with freshness and like i always say and i've told it hang out with young people in shoes and you'll stay young see everyone tomorrow thank you sagism bye bye everybody