Meaningful Interviews: Rabbi Yosef Abrahams #4- Rabbis Sholom Marasow, Shmuel & Yosel Zalmanov

so welcome back rabbi abrams this is an interview with on the program meaningful interviews with objective ishaya abrams mashpea of the yeshiva in miami florida babaji shiva it's past girlfriends we're doing this interview between teslav and uh yeah we'll test out this yesterday so i want to continue where we left off where did we leave off we left off talking about certain systems that you knew and i want to really talk a little bit more about them and actually do a few more interviews because we only have a half an hour 40 40 minutes so i want to ask you about raphael marozza someone who you knew while you were in yeshiva during the 1950s could you tell me what you know about him yeah i know what everybody knows he was a very big lump bokeh anything you ask them about the fiesta in the emotion the rambam about the the kid all these things all everything he knew and he was the majesty event and a brain then it took a lot of musculars from them what what type of what type of give you an example or two and how was it different let's say then i i i don't remember exactly the words and this i have the hergish chloe of it that it was it was a very strong forebrain and then it spoke open like this is like quiet and this unless you ask him a question i'm learning but by the fabrega if he took a lot of muscular then it was it was stories it was heterogation feelings how was his fabrega when he took moscow different than let's say that burial whenever you took musket yale sabrina was more amazing it's different you have he's spoilers and you have uh the difference between me this american american is more the spoilers and the spoilers there is in the uh deeper way in vegas places i'm not saying it's exactly he's this madriga but it's similar to [Music] did shalom have uh a relationship with with you but him or not really when i came to the regulator when they met this role or this a lot of times just to come over you speak with me and uh yeah yeah a third circle is what's going on no no that's that's later but i'm saying in the in in the 1950s and yet he i don't know every book or what that would go over and ask me if shyla's negated his problems or something maybe i don't know i never i never did that was he was he was he an avid was it was was he known to be an avid that he'd have in barriers that's when he was a booker he was after and and did he have and did he have a tifa fashion did he have a deep understanding you know what type of you said he was a bucky ashas you had a clear a clear understanding and by him was the uh the pastas they can ask questions i mean like in the case of sentences is not so so i don't know how he on himself how i'm speaking the way he spoke without meeting with us and negative shot oh so how was his knowledge different than robin mentally for example you learned about mentally yes how was it different how was it yeah yeah they have yeah okay but but what i'm saying normally in every year she was that way there's a way too much gear sentences and then i i understand but your first reaction when i asked you about him is you said off the cuff as i you said with the pastors he was a bucky you know you know everything now they're going deeper they force him that they they'll pull him i don't know i'm not saying not but that's not what what uh what he spoke with both and how often how often would he have praying with you how often would he blame um i don't remember exactly but certain times if i bring more yet certain years i don't remember exactly what about his in my brain too often i think that he used to be if [Music] the later it could be in the beginning of small not like again he'd be so the older he couldn't start in lesser times so then it was uh remember it was a certain time like every every year so let me ask you uh what was the yakas the relationship between the shmuel and i never saw them speaking i don't know i don't i don't know like who who is it of show my brother's friend do you have any friends i'm just kidding i'm curious did he talk to someone in particular and learning quite a bit look when he was in the when he was learning in the yeshiva i was in bedford and dean in the other building it's he was he's older he's a lot older yeah he got married when he was 29 if i'm not mistaken 28 29. he was from the oldest boyfriend he came together with the uh yeah with uh with double devices and it was the first bosom that came from uh overseas came out of russia he didn't speak much about the rebel he did or in other words or he spoke from like namo from from the babies and he wasn't he wasn't he was more like a something like secrets from the other like something like that and uh again i'm speaking without much give it up this time uh speaking about the taken of the hydration because like i didn't hear from him i don't think so okay let's look yeah again don't forget one second his father got killed in he used to speak what's his name his brother amen yeah mendel spoke a lot about his father yeah yeah mendel spoke a lot about his father yeah okay let's move on to another person that you knew you you spoke a little bit about it i can tell just this that he had a very big deal for his mother and for instance when the even he took a lot of muscular mushy [Music] so somebody told them your mother's coming to see you with this so you see he stopped everything he got up and he walked out to see where she is it was like totally bottle and so he was ready was somewhere 35 years old already yeah i used to speak about that that's how uh everybody she gets very much so you know his mother is like awakened no yeah the year is um okay so let's talk about another person you mentioned last time and you said you ate with him i think schmooze almanov but his son josel joshua's almana i think was a harbor yours you know a good friend of you yeah you say he was younger than me though he was a year younger year and a half young man but tell me about this we learned not much is known but yeah that's when we were basically bigger when we were kids when uh until 770 we learned [Music] by so when that kit they learned together everywhere in the other kit also but here you have it you're lying on your own so it was like for three years what time did he have do you have a good cup what did he like what yeah he had to go there and uh yeah and and he his father was like part of the base of like no very close to the defeated cadaver right he personally he was the bald manager and every young tif they used to eat there [Music] the tish he as they are the pure costumes right there's even ones i think was touching your days that i haven't mentioned then and if i bring after the failure mm-hmm there was once i think i know a year before that i remember it was basically in the first years when before we were going home so i think khalikov came over to him that he should go into the rebels room if there might have been the first night of pesach he went in so the neighbor said he shouldn't tell anybody and you should ask the four cautious now when he came out okay he didn't tell anybody we told his father and i overheard it so i knew that but then it happened later i don't know it was a year later two years later there but in the first years it was it happened but by to say that at the actual situation that's when they called them and they went in and then i think in your base under your demo one of these years i don't remember exactly but it wasn't the those years that the uh terrible fabrian told them to say that if you're cautious and how long later there was the day when the russian russian kids came i think in llama base remember i wasn't there but they yeah told they all the kids that came from russia then it was a big aliyah they made nothing they told all the kids they should say that they feel cautious [Music] i'm not sure i don't remember right right oh when i came back of gimmel he was still in america i guess how valid he got mad when he got married i think then was her valid i got married in the in the summer of the morgue and he got married i think he it was a year later okay i'm not sure i don't remember exactly because uh yeah yeah we they weren't together then they the the end and the end of the year of half days and then everybody went different places but i remember when i have gimme when i came to uh i came before the house and i came i was here until after the shivers and then did you when you moved there just at all you kept up with it and i moved that so he's gonna visit me a lot he lived in uh yeah and he used to come and visit me to talk what what what happened with him during his life again he lived in petarticry and i was in loud and i'm not a big traveler or visiting it look at he used to come to me but how was it later that his his wife passed away very when he was very young it was an accident i forgot it was a car accident or something yeah she pissed away then he got married again a few years later i don't know exactly i lost contact i am i have children those and it's it's not like direct from blue to particulars but he he had children from his new wife also no i don't think so i don't i don't know actually right but it didn't i think they they they were separated later i don't know it wasn't a long time with her let me know the first slide he had two children i think one learned by me and then you know and one of them one of them became a rebecca what type of what was he involved with you know in yeshiva and with the rabbit that they he stayed and learned in 770 all the years he learned in 770 but again i don't know danny in 770 would were like because i went to montreal so where was he and then he went to some seventy so he didn't go to montreal with you no no he was rebecca and five boyfriend then [Music] we were the first that came that then started the both him going there uh-huh until later became a lot more than that than pina when if he went there maybe a year later definitely i don't know if they just the first kit that he taught was arkita right we were learning there and uh yeah i remember the there was the uh the shabbos the the ballot kiss live it was not known there's gonna be a fabrega i think pina alto is when knocked on the rebel's door and he said he uh a month chat honest girl because his father was a shotgun the dawning already and yale was before they would speak with us we should hazard on your vote and then that travis after the opening so he started for hurricane baby so i was there and he also then not i playing it available it was like a specific time and then i became out but everybody knew that you know and soon that it was coming up it was upstairs and it's clean as well right now yeah yeah how many people how many people were there on average such family let's say that your dollars kiss live how many people would you say were in the room look i never counted oh no when you're young it was packed packed back you know i don't even have a lot of people together and even though there was a air conditioner still that was but you're saying you're saying the whole room was packed yeah yeah yeah yeah by the way if women wanted to hear the fabrega in those days they stood outside or there was no women okay there's no no there's no women there the only thing is when later before they made the the new show so it was a possibility what's his name from uh stroll came no no no no no no no yeah yeah yeah and uh when i remember when she came she was in the room of the widow so that you could hear that that in those days already the fabrega was in the hots yeah the chalash yeah one second when you say double drastically you mean what they call the room that root that little room yeah yeah yeah that's small room there yeah how could you hear in the from the lash in that room how er i don't know i wasn't there but but that's where the women oh she used to sit there by the fabric she was the only one there was some other women i guess she was the only one maybe maybe uh maybe like okay i don't know i i wasn't there i just knew i heard that she's there i got my forgot to ask you did you but later yeah i told you a story with them that when it was in a uh stalkers i had appendix i had an operation and then i came i'll be late to a day before showing up and then i couldn't go stupid the fabregas i was standing outside there and they for a cough is the uh similar state already this was this my incredible lately during the aftermath between might have been a conference but that year was the uh if i bring from the daytime till then till this month from my creative it's between and they locked the door together that not everybody should go up to the uh to the friday room because with a lot of people more people than irregular and the commodity didn't want so many people to come whatever then she had a key and i was standing with another boss she turned to us with a smile no miss tama was the well-known game so when she went in she like pushed the door more open that we should run in behind and then we went up that's the only time she spoke to me to me to me today was another book oh no she never visited her in her apartment on president street you never went no no no no no no no i thought a lot of times that we just walked that i used to working at home you have to do this through this of upstairs so this young used to walk her home so i saw there a lot of times not just did you um ever speak to rabbits in aha medina no but they used to do it in the beginning beginning after these talk is after they finish dabbling they used to go into the uh the room where they eat then there was no pseudoshock is then what i mean by the only jumped him daily but they used to go in and she was sitting there and they used to say they're good shoppers and remember one time i was with with justice almondo so she spoke with him she didn't hear but she could read the lips she were you were you ever upstairs i think that they they say by the three fabregans that put him kiss lift and maybe you'd be thomas she would host of her bringing before the rebels were bringing in in her apartment to feed the grabbers apartment and yeah yeah yeah it means to me that was never there then you were never you were never door i don't know it was poor mostly you say i don't i don't know i'm not sure i know i know you just kissed liv she used to send down like like small collars with fishes and filter officially it should be like the suit and yeah and they were upstairs yeah i heard that the door was open and anyone that wanted the kent that i gave but no one went it wouldn't be i don't know and that was up to the first time i was there was a peso from the uh they ever mentioned their first night you mentioned that the tyrants come out everybody was standing to get in now all the doors are open nobody comes when was there touching your dog [Music] ah so you got from that i got from there you know and then the uh also the uh the cases i think i got to drink other cases i'm not mistaken this you already had your iron cases i'm not following no we ate that they came in there ah we benched there that's how we could eat the soup before that we came in you you remember the rabbis of the haggadah do you remember every year he cried in the same place yeah it wasn't like for a second and somebody was like a hamster the whole time with the again it wasn't a strong birthing but it was the difference how it was like a lot of times it was this bear here was a different um after the stalkers uh the moves almadov didn't have the same prominence so a few of the things also you could be he was also from the zuma by defeating heaven but after the stalkers they they stopped being invited because i don't know about tough shame i didn't eat by them yet i started eating the i think it was your doll if i started dating them so uh yeah they they were not today there was nothing like this like this they were every peso they were there they saw them no but later when you were 17 18 19 you didn't eat by the way i didn't need that i ate until i was 17. and when i was in 770 i was reading some seventy in the yeah they had the kids on 770 in the nose and then right right in the pace there was no kitchen in the in the bathroom most of the kids went home those that stayed they had their body and then the shabbos also in the beginning was no kitchen for them i don't know how it was later so they might be about him and they said [Music] and but then when i went to some seventies already with the bokeh first of all i was like stop going because i was uh i left in new york i went to montreal yeah yeah i think the first uh the first place when i was in montana i'm still late but uh but really next year i came started learning some seventy because then i i i was there like almost a year and a half and then i eaten this at the end abraham's uh we have to stop now and immediately and sham will be mom shift next week because the rest of this week i'm occupied but i would like to continue next week so i'll be in touch with the show okay ask you yes thank you very much for your time appreciate it okay