Masterbation: 84 fasts for forgiveness - Fasting vs charity - Tanya Igeres haTeshuva 3a - RC Dalfin

so we're learning UHA P gimel chapter um I hope to finish it today CU it's it's quite it's relatively easier and Gish and very very pleasurable and delightful the AL chapter 2 told us he taught us that the idea of fasting tiny you fasting that we find throughout our literature is not part of the Mitzvah chuva the Mitzvah of chuva is to make a resolution I won't repeat the sin again details of Chua is what we call Chua complete Chua involves kapara atonement wiping away the stain and and that was made through the sin which therefore you need to have confession regret for what you did but fasting is not included so what is fasting gave the mus in p b chapter 2 of it's like when you sin against the king and the King forgives you nevertheless afterwards you still feel that the king doesn't look at you the same way so what do you do you send the king a gift and the the gift the d The Gift causes the king to look at you in a most favorable way and says this was the whole idea of bringing a the sacrifice was for this purpose to make you favorable like you were to begin with before you sinned but being that we don't have today says therefore substitute it with with fasting so we understand from from this that fasting is to accomplish being favorable in hashem's eyes and therefore the Al said the AR taught his students how many fasts you should fast for a particular sin to accomplish this this fa favoritism okay now in chapter three he's going to continue talking about this whole idea of fasting a certain amount of fasts and on one hand you might say well it's not relevant to us I'm not going to fast on the other hand it is because there are people who are what we call in in terms a nees what's a nees someone who takes it seriously and and looks to be more stringent and will try to do what the AL says in chapter 3 at least once in their lifetime and even if not the will teach us that through giving lots of you accomplish the same thing so let's see what he says P the scholars of mus the latter ones when he says latter ones he's referring to the ones after the period of the Aral right cuz the Aral was the one who revealed Masha to us how many fasts you should do for this sin how many fasts you do for this sin so came along the wise men of mus of ethics and they have a disagreement what if a person did one particular sin many times one opinion is some say you have to fast the amount of fast for that sin many times based on how many times you committed the sin so and he says keep going for example wasting semen nocturnal aition okay intentional the amount of fast as explained in the in the guidelines of Chua given by 84 fast if you sin 10 times you wasted Sean 10 times or 20 times throughout your lifetime for example you would have to fast according to this opinion 10times 84 or 20 time 84 and the same is true if you send 100 times it'll be 100 time 84 by the way you probably heard that there are different schoers remedies that are like for these fasts and one is p why cuz P has the letters p p p so one of the school is is pig another school I believe another remedy is buying the first SA it's brought down and you'll see it if you in theab there's a note there I think it's from the AL which says it's a great Mitzvah to buy the first sa of Torah and I looked into it once and I and I think it's based on a sh if my memory serves me well but regardless whatever the source is I found I saw that it's associated with atonement for nocturnal emission k but the AL doesn't mention that here right now he's explaining the two Shas two opinions so one opinion is if it's 84 the says 84 for this Zer V wasting a semen how many times have you done it in your lifetime and who who knows but if you happen to know you times that by 8 for that's one opinion and D this would be analogous yes he will does yal explain where that number comes from where he gets those numbers for the various things I I the the truth is I I don't didn't look into the AR now I I think I don't know I don't think so I don't think so okay but but you know if I had the SPM and something to it's something to look into absolutely to take out the tun of the arel and see I mean I think I would have heard an explanation for on it and he doesn't say so at this point my answer is I don't know okay okay yeah the carbon this is analogous to the carbon K now remember what he said before before spoke about it's comparable to become favorable inm's eyes to the carbon o says now this approach of fasting the amount of times that the sin was done is analogous to the why brings it a each time you commit a sin you have to bring a you couldn't bring one for 10 AAS so this opinion follows the logic of the car but some disagree they compare this concept the carbon to the carbon o but not just an ordinary cuz the carbon was brought for several different things it it's it's the carbon o the type of O that was brought for the desecration of a positive commandment even if you desecrate many they're all atoned for by bringing one we find this the second opinion AB says no you don't do one time of 84 and two time depending on how many times you did that a no you bring one you fast one time one time 84 fasts forgives you for 500 sins of wasting semen just like the car for a that's the disagreement yes so question okay I I'm trying to understand though why because we're in gullis okay are we punished more well we were just talking about how we have to fast right 20 times right right depending on how many times 10 to 20 what numers whatever a lot but okay with the carbon okay I gave a carbon I fasted one time no no no it's two different opinions you you didn't hear no it's a disagreement between two opinions one says it's like the which you had to bring each time you committed a sin so that opinion would say you have to fast 84 * 10 or 84 time 20 the car you couldn't do one sin another I sinned 75 times and I and you have to you bring 75 carbon carbon the other opinion says you it's like a carbon OA where you brought for the desecration of a positive Commandment that one carbona atones for all the all the desecrations of the mix say it's a disagreement so what does it have to do with gas I'm not F what are you asking about gas I don't hear you you're you're muted sorry today we do carbonis right and it's it's instead of doing carbon because we can't do actual carbonis right [Music] right anyway you you're getting stuck so I I I don't know I have to go further what okay you're you're freezing up I don't know turned the page to 184 being that we have a disagree a disagreement the the accepted arbitration and compromise between these two opinions is to fast three times 84 not one time 84 not 10 20 times 84 three times based on the amount of fast for this particular sin which would be 3 * 84 252 fast for wasting same logic applies to all other sins what's the reason why since a person obligated himself in the sense of sinned even one time forem he makes a markul that's one time if he does it two more times he does it a third time that is a stain is Mis extends itself from one side to the other side and briefly this means the damage is done the two ideas he from this side to that side means from the side of Holiness to the side of clipper if you do it one time you make a mark But the mark doesn't go all the way you do it two times it goes a little more but not all the way you do it three times the says it goes the from the side of K to the side ofer and guess what if you do it four times five times six times you haven't changed the core of the sin you've just added some salt and pepper but the core of the sin the damage is done that's why I use the words the the concept of the avador separating you from Hashem until you do Chua is done after three three times not one time not two times but three times that's what the Z says one second 4 5 6 1020 Yi is just salt and pepper it's not it's you know it's too salty it's too sweet it ain't great right but it doesn't change it doesn't put you more into a place of negativity I don't I don't have better words how to explain that but that's the concept yes you is this related to uh the the three days the re after young Kipper that that we talk about that sort of those three days that you don't have that sin doesn't leave are counted no no no first of all it's four days you're mistaken it's not it's the four days between your ker and sukus and correspond to the yut v i i i don't think so you know I haven't heard yeah so therefore is the AL says that the the the day the arbitr the arbitration uh opinion the compromise that's been accepted by the latter Scholars of mus is the fast only three times even if you did the sin 100 times okay let's go further therefore you would need to fast the equivalent of three times that particular sin okay now says the AL when you're talking about a healthy person that many fasts if you this is many fasts even 3 * 84 is many fasts a healthy person where these these amount of fasts won't hurt him Cloud at all to the health of his his body as it was in the earlier Generations but someone who the abundance of fasting M hurts him he could become ill or or have a headache you know feel feel weak as it is in our generation and the AL is talking about his time is how much more so in our time I would think says it is forbidden now this is the AL writing and the words us are very tough words strong words it's forbidden for one to to do this even for things that the a for that is excision or death by the B surely you forbidden to fast extensive fast for desec positive negative command has no every person has to excuse me every person has to assess how many fasts is they could do they can handle CL look at the word CL he's mentioned the word cl cl means at all doesn't say only CL if there comes any damage any hurt any weakness from these are fasts that means you are a candidate for it and therefore says it is forbidden for you to do that because even the early Generations the days of these SES who are the ones that fast only the healthy people the they were able to pain themselves and and those that were not able to pain themselves and they did that the calls them Sinners they're thinking oh we're so holy we're fasting yes H when we used the example yesterday from the from the kazal I think it was Runa who um who fasted so much that his teeth turned black do we infer from that gorra that uh he he he was like over that he did too much according to what we're saying here meaning that he damaged himself no no I seems that we said it he was such right because because he was able to handle it he was he was and he had the to fast that's what is in a sense that gor only since theor told told us that his teeth turned black is that not a riot that he overdid it that he did something that was harmful to himself I don't again we got to take we have to take out the G and look at the but I don't believe that's in the G the G is saying it that he was capable of doing that and and it it turned black but he was able to handle it okay again again I think it's an it's an interesting question right it it is an interesting question and I'll give you the homework to look up the gam with the with the mar okay okay I'm serious look it up take the AR girl out and and see and see yeah if you have a chance okay let's go further um now what if a person fasts he knows you know I've done this I've done this sins in in in his hand explains there is no Jew that wasn't obligated to do a certain Mitzvah and desecrated it so we all have reason to fast that's what it means so even for those fasts you don't have a right to I'll use you know today's vernacular to abuse your body someone who is not just a regular ordinary fellow but someone who's about Tor that person who knows and fast even though it hurts it it it knowing that it's going to hurt them and physically he'll be punished twice for that don't don't use your your Holiness enti knowledge for fasting when you know it's causing damage to yourself because due to the weakness of fasting you won't be able to learn properly T so what are you accomplishing what are you accomplishing that's what he says what is the right so the question is Masha the question is what am I supposed to do I know I committed a sin many times I want Chua it bothers me you're telling me it's awesome for me to fast because you can't handle it so what should I do famous ver of the AL coming up he says what's the it says and your sins should be redeemed with Charity with give okay in in there's a discussion it's the commentaries of that that you should give for every fast of chuva you you should give a Polish amount of money this was I guess they they they cited where they lived in that region it was that's some kind of coin that's someone who doesn't have much someone who's wealthy should add based on his wealth the writes that so the AL is of the opinion very clearly that in L of fasting for Chua for TI for sins give to D and I know people who who have done this they they give the equivalent of 84 at least 84 if they have more and they can afford it they they make a calculation there are people who take this very seriously because Del says doesn't dismiss the fact that you have to do trua he just says the fasting business we're not we're not we're not strong we're weak and even if you're a Bena you can't concentrate so therefore substitute it with giving s okay call is Relentless he doesn't give up you're a someone who cares for their soul someone who desires to be close to hem to correct your soul to restore it with God those are such powerful words with the most the best way of TR means the best choice Excellence right not mediocracy you're looking for excellence in tra he should be stringent on himself to at least at least once in his lifetime top of the the amount of fast for every sin regarding the the very severe sins where one would be obligated death even if it's what we call Heavenly death goes back to this the the amission of you should fast one time one time 84 fast during your lifetime you could push off the fast to the short days in the winter for example fast 10 such days during the winter one winter or less and you'll conclude the 40 84 Fast N or years or more based on the ability and strength that you have to fast each winter a certain amount of days here we talking about full days complete days in the winter now some fascina in the parentheses you can eat up to three hours before Sunrise became and nevertheless this is considered a fast in if you made such a condition some some say that based on this parenthesis implies that the fast begins three hours before and I know people who do this in other words Hally let's say uhis right you can have a coffee before Dawn according to the AL here some say can't cuz the fast really starts 3 hours before but of course not everyone accepts that but if you if you find someone you hear about it this is the source for it 3 hours before what is saying here is that those people that want to fast during the winter and it's difficult for them Get Up 3 hours before and is saying not Before Sunrise a half an hour before but 3 hours before eat and then you'll have to fast during the winter on the short days then he says this way you could you could complete make up the 252 fast cuz three times 84 Canal you pay then he says you could also fast four more times pay you can just fast not a full day but a half a day thei says fasting half days and combining half days is like a full day two half days consider like one day in regarding this matter says this this suggest that a for a b neish now you understand so a person has to decide if they are or want to be a b neish but if you decide that and you are that it's true not only for this sin but it's true for every sin so as um as Hil or or is said look up what it says in the out how many sins how many fasts you need for whatever sin and then throughout the year or years make your calculation and and and do the CH and he says he ends powerful worlds every words every heart knows you know what's on your soul what bothers you the you you want it's righteousness in other words you want to feel cleansed so the AL is saying if you're a if you want to be then this is the path to it so we we finished it the point being that like this but that for most people Seda is the substitute for fasting for those that are able those that aren't able and going to become sick I don't I don't believe that is telling you to be a b and make yourself sick I don't think that's what he's saying no how do you know if you're going to become sick so he's saying that if you're a b neish yeah you what my brother-in-law is a mus from Wu yeah and he told me that he was learning one day and RAR went in and called him and he said he needed him for bezan what was the best in there was an undergraduate student who took upon himself to fast every time he was n and he said this boy looked so sick thin and pale and finally one of his teachers asked him if he was sick and he he admitted what was going on he says you better go and ask a Shila and rat made him be M now because he he he made a he made pledge to fast for his a right y every time right and my brother-in-law sat on the best to me m I understand but at the flip side is you know if someone you know is strong I'm saying this is somebody who who couldn't handle it he couldn't handle exactly exactly exactly the the in fasted a lot and his father in the letters to him in the 20s and 30s basically tells him not to fast as much so you know and and RAB salic this the same RAB salic he said that RAB hutner when they were they were with the Reb in Berlin they noticed that he he didn't drink a coffee or a tea and they met you know at a little bar bar a little cafe you know got coffee a tea whatever and RAB salvic said you know I always wondered you know I'm drinking it it's not kosher it's not Kosher I wouldn't be drinking it's kosher he realized later it was Monday and Thursday and he and he and he argued he says he believed that ever fasted again no one will ever know whether that was the reason or not yeah what are you saying H wasn't that quite common among to fast Monday and Thursday I think it was in I heard about it from my my mother about her about her uncles and like that it it it was more common you know but it it today today it's not common but yes it was more Common Era where they didn't have food normally yeah yeah right yeah no but but but but but but but is and hillo you know people who B let's say 1 15 years ago I'm sure there were yeen that were you know they they didn't have much to eat but they did have some food and they they still fasted now neish took upon himself for particular sins to do that I got to go learn tomorrow have a great day thank you amen take care