Maamar Vkibel 1927 #4 Difference between Art and Throwing Ball

okay so good day today is uh thursday the 22nd of schwartz before telling you about rabbi torski's family a bit today is the rabbitson kaya bushka's and uh maybe we'll even hop a line later a story or a vert but uh going back to tawerski well all i could tell you is what i saw as yesterday when i was monaka mobile the family there were three sons in the room and one brother he has two brothers that are left one is arum and one's michal mccall is the the one who's the took over the the the shoe and the uh rabinet kind of who comes to bed chemist that's the one from from from milwaukee rabbi mccall and the other one is our own who was maybe still is a professor of lord hofstra university in queens i believe in queens and then so he was there and he's you know looks like an old he is an older man and you know uh getting older looks like you know his voice is raspy and low um and then there were three sons there's one one is called bencion torski he is a uh either a psychologist or a social worker very very popular in the front community here the zomboro park i think i spoke to him once then there is um another one named i think aaron i think and i saw a son named arum he's what lived in foreign oh there's a fire okay and i i spoke no no that our own is the brother as a brother i'm talking about a son a son anyway a son named he was there and and i spoke to him i don't i guess he lives in borrow park i don't know um and there's another the son i think another son i saw them all i went i went to the women's the kitchen the women were there and i asked if there were any daughters they said no there were no daughters there so i think he has daughters you know but i don't know where where they are is narcissist or elsewhere i don't know you know that's so i saw three out of uh how many children do you have nine ten children i you know that's what i saw don't think so i don't think he has that many children uh-huh i don't know i don't know but they're all they're you know they're all uh not all actually two of them bore the long casting the long frock one of the brothers that naughty wore short jacket and he looked you know he had a beard and everything full beard but um he looked more of uh he you know not as hasidic you know um as the other two um but they they all it's funny i was listening to their yiddish two of them spoke your dish and you can hear it's an american yiddish i speak my yiddish is ten times better than their judicial i'm also an american but i grew up here in brooklyn with holocaust parents and yiddish was the our first tongue i don't know you know you know rabbitous and his wife i don't know if they spoke either home i really don't know but it's noticeable that their kids that grew up in milwaukee because their their their yiddish is you know i'm not going to say it's terrible but uh anyone that knows yiddish well picks up the they're americans speaking giddish then the third the third son the one i described he was a little you know a little a little little more chilled you know he spoke in english um a very uh distinguished rough came in rabbi yakov of joseph halberstam was a shul nearby here and he came in and and everyone was listening to him because he goes back with rabbi twersky uh to the 40s and maybe earlier i don't know so so um i could hear so when the third son spoke to him he spoke in english he didn't even attempt to speak english she spoke in english so um now you know that rabbi twersky's mother was the bubba rebe's sister right rabbi the baba rave who who who founded both of in america rabbi mahal his sister was rabbi twyski's father's wife you know his mother so so there's a picture there's a picture of them sitting you know at different symbols you see the bubba rub on one side his father on the other side i think that's the picture of his wedding another another uh thing that that just of interest is that um i found it very interesting that the people that came to be menachem when i was there for the half hour royal babavir and they weren't skvr or chernobler i think that the the bolivar world is more forgiving and understanding of him going to college we see when he went to college and his brothers it was a a a big big issue it upset many people i mean it was like because you know here uh here is you know uh a rabbinical a rubbish a family with very bright people and educate you know everything and that instead of sitting and learning and becoming you know massive russia shiva's they they they went to college except i think every brother went to college except mikhail the one that's in milwaukee every other brother i think there's four or five brothers five brothers you know and it said it was the talk of town and the the square world and the chernobyl world never forgave them for that like when i mentioned his name in the shul here and square that i darven sometimes they they they make you know offhand comments you know but in boviv i was able to hear from this relative yesterday who's a very serious man in his eighties you know rabbi yakov joseph halberstam and he was explaining what what twirsky told him about college and he he agreed with it he said that the issue of you know this is tursky's opinion the issue of becoming not religious and because of different philosophies he says that was never their concern because you know they're they're they're mean and they're mixture of men and women boys and girls and he told over the story that twiskie told them he's sitting in college three and a half weeks and a woman comes over to him who sat nearby a non-jewish lady and she says my gosh it's been three and a half weeks you're so unsocial you didn't say hello so he looks up at her and he says hello madam it's very nice he came by but guess what it's going to be this way the rest of the time i don't speak to women this is what the rabbi uh halberstein repeated that rabitoiski told him years ago and he brought he brought out the nakuda that he was pressured sitting there as as a from the hosted and you know he that's it you know you can call me on social and he was married he was married with kids already oh that's another nakuda that he brought out but so what i saw what i walked away with from that encounter yesterday was interesting that the above there were above are you know more open and and and it and it makes sense because the bhagavad-gita is like a chilled hasidis you know what i'm saying it's very proper and you know live and let live and just you know what i'm saying so um it was interesting okay let's get to the mimer yes okay i told you the story i told you guys the story right with the bubble rubble and my grandfather right i told you yes you did you did it so so i i tell you there's another story you were talking about brothers so so i'm out of the bounce and that's what i'm listening to this year but i'm i i'm out and about today i'm at home um so what happened was is that the 100 where you are in brooklyn right the hunk of sugar so that's that's his brother abraham's brother right right right so the hakuchi rabba there was a kid my cousin made a kiddish maybe 10-15 years ago he got a baby boy and it was a shabbos brist so i went to this to say which i was in america at the time and um i was living in israel though i went to the show once and after after the kiddish i went over to the grandpa and you know of course he gives everybody a hug so he gave me a hug so then said i told him i said that i'm from levine's uh grandson-in-law he gave me another hug and then he says to me he goes what happened to him what's going on with him i haven't seen it apparently they were very very close friends and they were cousins that i knew that they were cousins but i didn't know that they were very close friends but apparently they were very very close i didn't know that yeah well you know in the 40s everyone was to get you know such a little crowd the front people people knew each other for me especially in the 50s you know the babajis and and oliver lived in crown heights anyway let's get we're on page 195 um the kids are to the last paragraph uh the large body of of the world meaning the the mic the the macrocosm is refined through the microcosm through man how may the numerators who understands and feels mikhail's naturally of his vitality of his kayas [Music] he he sees how hashem animates the world and in a specific way and he relates to that the who and this type of animation we call ham the light the energy that pervades the world we also explain that the body is divided into three compartments the head the body and the feet the yeast in her ego and the advantage of the feet hamamid which erects the head and lifts it up and makes it go higher when did moishe receive the uh the light known as the crown the illumination from that exp level it's because of raghav um that cause that i know he should be in in me let's go 196. next paragraph all the sages say yes um [Music] greater is the action more than the one that does the action okay so as it's known regarding those that support the data they make it possible for the traitor to be to exist through giving money for tayden dictator somebody who does an action for his friend and he supports the students of are those that learn thai um that person is greater than the one who's actually doing the act the ma'ase and the osa the one who says right he's greater okay and just as it is regarding the act of tadaka for the purpose and benefit of those that study tater said which is very exalted believe me the god lama says someone who makes it possible for someone else to learn torah is greater than the actual person who's learning the title if that was important or something else yeah that too that too but let's see how he develops it the zou in your middles the rapper says this is not camillus right you have two things like i said the other day avraham was kind with exerting himself to to bring in a jew to do he also spent his own money by feeding them and the third thing is the type of study is based on the ability of the people who are in the sheer hainu you learn or stories says this type of study is very exalted very special okay listen again listen to different words to express listening and the rabbis say asukitos they touch the word to make classes kita's groups will not be acquired unless you have even those that can learn a very in-depth type of learning and they don't need this here they sit anyway and participate in this year and i saw this my own lives at robert raichukov in berkeley i saw it rabbi yehuda ferris the shliyakam berkeley would teach between minha mayrev and you know the students whoever the students you know something relatively simple and if she will david i saw myself would sit down at the sheer and i saw in los angeles too and trust me he didn't need to share okay but there's such a thing and i my fair taught me this too that you know when there's a sheer going on you know unless you have something else you know that you have to do you should sit and participate in this year that's what the rabbit says here de la me boyish middle of him surely someone who teaches the people in the public chicago great is his reward and it exalts his soul canada the great for someone to teach other people ashira baraban is a great great for the soul so and so that for sure moshe is you're doing the kindness by by spiritual giving spiritual sustenance to people teaching them but also elegamus believe those that participate in the sheer who in ignorance is he doesn't have to be there he knows the material but he participates because he wants to be part of the group no question about it but we're talking and and and also you're right i remind me you remind me when i was in in in basement you know you know i came to my principal he was a survivor and a husset and a very baton of kraken and i said you know all my life i've been you know having kavaros is teaching others i want to learn with someone who's either on my level in learning and knowledge or so more and i you know i want to learn on that type of a level you know i remember he told me he says i'm telling you because he wanted me to learn with a boy from italy who just you know didn't know that much he says you will get so much more if you learn with him and i listened and it was true so but at this it's a good bill it's a military option so there is there is that thing yoni of nafta when it comes but here we're talking about the advantage of barabbin let's continue okay and then i have a kind of addresses your point the fact that you support people who who who are learning who tom kind of you're credited to be called a supporter of the trader of simple people who are not big tell me and you make it possible for them to learn together whatever it is that ever says your credit is greater why because since they know less and you're bringing them to the table all together it's a tremendous time and arizona of the greatest kind that's what he says just as it's explained regarding self-sacrifice that that simpletons simple people have more mercedes and efforts than the big intellectuals right because the big intellectuals with all their intellect it's hard for them to jump in the simpletons they don't have just just make them aware that it's beside us now fish and they jump in moving them this emphasizes and expresses that the virtue of defeat is greater is is is a very great virtue though ms who came and the truth is this way avo coma could nevertheless when we talk about an inner vitality slavish by ghoul that invests itself in the body the middle part of the body should nick right you have the head which is the top the feet which is the bottom and the middle which is called the goof who nyla because there's more observable vitality in the body than in the feet if you give a kick your chest it hurts much more than the foot and and the regular the why because the middle part of the body what we call the body it has the heart void and all the inner limbs right everything that's inside the mushroom oh there is i think too that the the the puncturing of in the of the heart and the imma limbs is bimashahu and ayoda drop the outer other parts the the the doesn't invalidate the puncture doesn't invalidate the behemoth when it comes to a puncture in the heart or one of the inner limbs even a drop of a puncture is already an invalidation and all of man's vitality depends on that god forbid if there's a hole in the heart we know the the seriousness if there's a puncture in the foot you're not you're not dying you're not critical but in the heart or the lungs like we have now islam with consist of only walking those boots are made for walking just walk all over you why because the regal is the last kayak of the nephesh as it's expressed in the foot the hamidos the emotions which are in the heart hey nilem habisi are more a greater he said take the hands what are the hands they are only an expression of movement so you would think that the hands don't have this intense highest like the like the rest of the body but they're similar to the feet says that ever no hey nylon the hands are more are greater than the feet in this sense why the beregger who rocks recostrators with the foot you just shove and move pebbles stones as you walk the koya say yesterday is a shared kayak with an animal as an animal works mashing conversely because the movement in the hand we write with it which is considered of man's actions it's the monstrositive of man and not animals moshe's field art art is done with the hand and it's demonstrative of man an animal can't draw can't right although art painting drawing is all done with the kayak with the hands the action fish which is the lowest kind of power of the nephesh action orientation so we have two things we have the externality of and we have the inner the panemias of in other words in art it's not just movement of the hand it's talented movement of the hand it's that's why it's ponemious your innocent in other words there's certain i said where you could be excuse the expression like a behavior and you could do like a behavior you walk in the street in the snow outside you push aside the snow and you walk further right but when it comes to drawing to art that won't help you because you you'll be a failure you have to apply your talent or or develop your talent so it's clear how much it's the movement of the hand but the movement is associated with the premiums it's coming from the brain yes yes yes you're innocent we don't hear you yeah when you when you train yourself to lie it takes less ten years of a hogma and it goes down into the hair correct that's what we're saying okay because is there is the premiums the inner and the outer next page 197. the sign is and the outer aspect of action of the power of myself it is walking and throwing avo haksiva but writing vatsir that is the inner aspect of myself the idea is with the gambas rica even when a pitcher throws the ball in his particular way it's called mujo venez kamoy koleya means he gets it exactly on the the target he hits the target the lawyer is a koleya he hits the target and he doesn't sin what does he miss okay hate also means right right right thank you yeah he hits it smooth and also means lacking missing so here the plus it means koleya ella he he he throw he hits the target exactly and he doesn't miss the target why the immune system it's because the seiko the intellect leads it this is what yogis was saying before it's coming from seiju the emo when you're dying emo means that the training of the hands shabazzer so moises stroke when it makes the painting is coming from a seiko that trains their hands to draw in a certain way so it's an art and a talent not just he woke up in the morning and god gifted him but he trained himself yes he trained himself somehow to use that part of the cycle to express itself in the in in the brush in the art nevertheless says when it comes to srika throwing something with the hands the main thing is the action the mice in other words in order to hit your target right let's say a golfer i'm just saying to hit the the the ball the the thing to go into the hole that's an r yeah but but the rabbit says the anchor is the mice you got to give a good swing and a start to swing so that it goes so far towards the hole so the icker what's what's primarily felt in this act is the action true you you assess how far and how much kayak you need but what's primary he says is the mice let's see let's see further before the and the proof is that it says the proof to my argument is as soon as the kayak that you put into the throw ends neueful hanizrak the island that was thrown we call that the nisrak falls the tivoi gravity so in other words when you throw you're doing something against gravity and as long as that clear hamas of yours is there it's going to fly as soon as the mice that you put into the throw ends it reverts back to its very self which is what which is your which is your your your natural gravity goes back so what do we see the previous episode what do we see what is the entire structure that's happening when you throw something it's the kayak that's emphasized conversely aval but see you or michael didn't know you're getting a a lesson a lesson in art this morning aval but ceo with the fleet of canada you never know before and these new things come up i will but see her when it comes to art which also is with the stroke of the brush session in addition to the fact that it is a garment it is a uh a vessel for the mind the intellect who says i want to draw a man with a hat on top of a bridge so you have to think of the bridge and the man to say ho and then you progress to draw it right so the the drawing is based on the cycle right nevertheless [Music] in art he says in syria there it's the emphasis is not the act the actual drawing the emphasis is the idea we call that the his gabrus the overpowering of haseko of the intellect so in other words one second once one second give you one second then i'll let you you can be you can have a talent you say have a talent they haven't had talent for drawing that i've been saying here talent tahin talent ahead and see this expression whether you have a talent you don't have a talent if your cycle doesn't dominate and control the the stroke of the of the of the brush it's not going to be as nice as it could be this gabriel is what's primary so what the rev is doing here here cabre is making a difference between two types of action one is one is called the throwing of the hand and one is called the drawing with the hand and he's saying that in the kayak of the hand when you throw something you see that what's emphasized is the koa the mice the proof is as soon as the call ends it reverts back gravity falls down that that's not seiko so you know it's even though i kalea lassiera he brings the posik hitting the target so you have to aim right you have to aim very well where is the target what do i need to get to the target nevertheless how do you get to the target to kayak through putting a lot of effort into that throw in a focused way to get to the target so they're highlighting the emphasis is the koi kamai what we call earlier the consignus the external the exterior whereas in in the in the art there the emphasis is not the titanius but the pneumous i.e the seijo because if you draw because you're talented but there's no cycle there you're going to have a hot splash and maybe today that's durian a lot a lot of art and they decide they make a name of it and it's worth a million bucks and you have to buy it and you say what is this but but let's get let's get back to the point his gabrus hase the overpowering of the of the of the seiku over the koyak that's the emphasis in seer let's continue i'm sorry yoini you want to say something an artist is creativity and and throwing a ball it's uh michael jordan's athleticism so he's talking about that it's much more it's much more cushion is on the creative on the creativity level rather than on the athletic level that that that's i i like the way you put it i i think that's a that's that's a that's a good way excellent way there's more create there's more create on the there's more hashibas on the creativity versus the um behavior uh he doesn't use the word kashivas he used the word kitsono supremius but i it's the same idea in other words this touches yogi in seer in art in drawing it touches the inner aspect of soul and and and in the other one it touches the external aspect now by the way he's not belittling and he's not telling you know la michael jordan or someone else you know these athleticism it needs training too right but what's emphasized there is the mice yes moshe i just want to make a decide distinction um and i because the way that you're describing what the photographer's saying is an artist who is developing his own ideas and compositions and thoughts and i'm curious i know that i was from from experience there's also a very significant there's a difference between when an artist does that as opposed to an artist draws or paints from direct observation in other words he goes he paints what he sees with his eyes a landscape he sees a still life of flowers and that is a tremendous tremendous um to take the tremendous talent and development of sounds to achieve what's called an art world it's called a likeness like for example just like this means that you draw or paint something and when the viewer sees it they recognize the item immediately because the artist was able to capture what item or the person actually looks like i'm just making a distinction but i'm just saying that i'm curious what the friday grebby would say about that because i'm just saying from my own experience it's it's it's a it requires a tremendous amount of effort and development of uh and so forth it's interesting he writes siva because when i write like i was just writing now before the share when you write the there is a tremendous tremendous uh focus that you have to do on the craft of the writing but it's it's much deeper than that the strokes the minuscule strokes the movements you can make with your fingers in your hands to achieve very good results it's it's very intense so you're saying the intensity is guided by the seiko is that what you're saying yeah yeah yeah you have to you have to be there you have to access that safely and you have to really really give it all you've got you got to focus and focus it's not okay not like you know oh stop saying it's good yeah no i'm just saying it's not like you know it's like you know a person works in i don't know something he's just oh i need to send that fax he just goes over and he you know presses a few buttons or whether he puts he it does not a tremendous he doesn't have to put everything he's got in descending facts right right well when you're writing you're writing something you're writing to fill in mezuzah's secret torah etc miguel you have to give it all you got i understand i hear you no i i i hear very good i'm a bonus regarding what you said earlier i have to think about it i i don't know enough about it and uh it let me let me just finish the my the paragraph but the last point is the issue is the the i my the i mind hand coordination between those three elements of a person and i'm just so so i'm just i'm just putting that out there right when you think about it i mind and coordination okay i i mind and hand coordinate hand and hand coordination all three obviously have to work together right right and they're governed by the seiko okay let me just finish the primary beauty of art who are it's what the message of the picture schmool that is the beauty not the actual seer he says if you really want to talk about your feet about beauty it's the message that this particular art expresses and this is the pneumous of and it's so true right what would you rather have like you know from my books or book covers right a regular picture or a descriptive picture you know you know well let's see i i had a book on soccer and lubavitch right that was about that so so i chose the bigger hail and bus of the sakura casita and i put it on the cover why and it's not such a gevalting picture but it's a message that they're into bicker highland and people who saw it they said we got and then alabacher i put up a bucker putting uh i think putting on chilling with a policeman what do i want to bring out the contrast the laboratory emphasizes putting on filling with eden and sapphire giving food to eden both are govaldic but it's a different approach so that was that you know so it's the token of of the pictures that really bring out what the picture is all about have a great shabbos it's the rebecca's yard site and uh and she she she was a mainstay to our rebbe both in the beginning when she told him you know if you don't take the leadership and be the rebbe my father's and grandfather's hasidis will go down the tubes you know who's and she pushed the rabbit to take the responsibility even though he was not interested in it and he did it and then again in 1985 86 with the swarm she she uh said clearly to the to the lawyer and then to the judge that if not for my uh he asked her so doesn't doesn't it all belong privately to you the books to your father and she said my father and and all his belongings and that's who he was he wasn't an individual who had his private bank accounts and his private houses and and et cetera et cetera and and and this was a vulnerable line that the judge saw that this is this is one of the key ideas that made that case go in favor of lobavich was her words so although she was a very modest and private person you know she didn't come to the fabregas i you know she we never saw it for brainians she didn't want to make a splash if she came to bring him everyone would make a lot of room around you know what i'm saying would be she she was very modest very private very i grew up i never saw her i never knew anything about her nothing and not only me or me my friends and the entire the barbers community very much like you take for example the rabbits and rivka the previous rabbit's mother and even his wife robertson medina you know they were more active with the the the women's organization and supporting the yeshiva and them and making sure they had food and things like that but um representative was very private you know so um but behind the scenes every every year strong and special man has a special woman have a great shabbos see everyone sunday what is the art wednesday today today soft base today club bass bye