Lo Tiye Mishakela 1952 #8- love is harder than fear, why? How? When? Rabbi Chaim Dalfin

So good day we're learning leasha ting bays 1952 we are on page 144 chapter 7. This chapter is another method why another reason why when when it says in the he serve um you serve and god will bless your water and your bread. It's not enough to serve God with all with obedience, but there needs to be. So in the previous chapter, two chapters five and six, he gave us one reason. Now he's going to give another reason why it's not adequate. Let's get right to the text. Another reason must be why the service of all of is not adequate. There must be as well. There must be the service of love serving God with the word comes from the term Ib to refine oros skins as a knows that you take a skin and you you you refine it and then you can write on it paras parchment. So in other words, the concept of aod is associated with the word ib ib literally means to work it out to refine it to refine what thick iris thick skins of animal should be. And just as when it comes to refining the skins, it requires many different activities. that that requires much effort and bother. In other words, you got to you got to sweat. You got to push on it. You got to refine it. You got to stretch it. And it's it's it these are thick skins. And what you have to do is refine the thick skins. And that's a that's a diff it it wears you out. It it's it's a but when you do that it becomes of it then becomes a a piece of parchment that's that's PROPER TO WRITE UPON it the portions of the Torah. Okay. I want to welcome this is Moshe. Yeah. Moshe. How are you? Moshe. This is Moshe. forget the last name. >> Myyers. >> Masha Myers. Oh, yeah. I didn't recognize you. Your beard threw me off. Sorry. Forgive me. Okay. that Ebba says here there needs to be a service for towards God in a manner that is avoid in other words look what he says great EFFORT COME THINGS THAT COME EASY IS NOT avoid a means it's hard it's difficult it's backbreaking you know and all of that and yet you do it If this is the concept of we'll now understand why itself is not adequate. Next page 145. From this we'll understand why is not the true aid the ultimate a of a the ultimate aid. Why? When it comes to fearing God there is no requirement that it it that it it that it it requires great effort. As we said in the previous chapter chapters, there are those amongst us that have natural fear of God. So if you have a natural sense of fear, you don't have to work hard. It's right. Therefore, there must be if to accomplish the the service, the work also the service of what the Reb is saying here is a very interesting point of there's no way of doing that without You got to work on it. And now just for a second, we've heard people say, "Oh, I love God." You know, so usually, you know, I'm sorry to say it's nonsense. You don't love God, you love yourself. Like you like a piece of chocolate, you like IF THAT'S YOUR LOVE OF GOD, LIKE A PIECE OF CHOCOLATE, you know, tell it to someone else. Aa and I and I could tell you this I'm not going to say it from experience but really from experience too. It is so hard to come to a love of God. A love of God means that you I told you this in the pre previous year that if you don't have it you're like empty. That's a very difficult feeling to accomplish. Why? Because we have food. I'm saying whether we have a lot or a little, but we have our comforts, right? So, so what do you mean I'm lacking something if I don't love God? I got a family. I got a wife. I got friends. I have all this. So, what do you mean I don't love God? That's right. You don't love God. You love all those comforts that are important for society. No problem. That's part of the of THE PLAN. BUT ARE YOU going to say YOU LOVE HASHEM? THAT'S LOVING GOD. What about year of fear? Fear means when you come to a place, you recognize, you know, you recognize Hashem and you recognize your relationship. You do what you're supposed to and you don't do because God says don't do it. Simply like I mean the lowest level of fear is like you're scared of getting a ticket if you go over the speed limit. You're scared of of God. That's the lowest level. But even a higher level uh Mosha even a even a higher level where you don't just fear the punishment. Okay, that's the lowest level is fearing the punishment. It's a level of of yera but it's the lowest level even when you fear sin itself because you're breaking the bond between God and yourself, God and us, you know, it's like NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT RIGHT. the the the the reason for a speed limit isn't just to to scare you. It's because if you go over the speed limit, you could hurt people. So, in other words, there's rhyme and reason to it. And you don't want to it's NOT RIGHT FOR YOU. WHO ARE YOU TO GO AND BREAK THE RHYME AND REASON AND CAUSE CHAOS? That's a higher level of ya. But that too could be an instinctual result behavior, >> right? >> Yes. Moshe, go ahead. >> Rabbi, isn't that really it could come down to our selfishness? Like you say, if you love Hashem, you have everything you want. And so, well, I'll do this. I'll give some whatever. But when it comes to it, if we going to, let's say, do something like say speed limit or go ana, are we really thinking about Hashem? what Hashem needs. Are we real with that? That's where I can feel hypocritical sometimes. So, you know, >> so what he's saying here is that fear ya is is is more self and aa if you if if you have that and and that's what we're talking about it developing is it's more God, not yourself. Because in aa you have to completely you have to completely remove yourself to love God. Did he shine him? Did he shine him right? To have love for Olam Haza and love for Olam Haba doesn't work. I'll never forget when I came to Bachmesh, you know, the first time in 19 when it was um 2017 18 when we started the Kyle and the first thing that hit me then I'm not saying it's this way today but I felt like it's like people are having the best of both worlds. You could speak English. You don't need to learn Hebrew. You can have a villa. And then then enjoy what has to offer. And that's and that's a it's a good thing if you could do that, right? But at the same time, that's not real avoid. Real avoid is a a a sacrifice. And again, everyone living there, I think, is making a sacrifice. But when you talk about individual, not an individual, it doesn't mean you have to live in a dungeon. Don't get me wrong. No, you could live in a in a nice beautiful house. The question is whether the house is truly for Hashem that because of THE NICE HOUSE YOU ATTRACT more people to davin and to learn and to fab and and to be better and you know or is it for my comforts? So th this so so when you say I love Hashem I love Hashem it that's a very hard aid. It's very very hard because by nature we love ourselves. That's what the Reb is saying when the says serve God your God. True is love of God not fear of God because fear is more natural. That's that's his argument in in this position right here. Let's continue. this this clarifies the and serve God your God it it it refers to the service of which is the initial obedience we're NOT GOING TO WAIT TILL YOU HAVE LOVE FOR GOD YOU JUST FOLLOW GOD SAYS DON'T BREAK SHABAS listen that's the first thing or be obedient right then and that's why we call it maj We call it the initial first step of service the and this also refers to the service of explained in the essay the ultimate it's both and Yes. Ma, >> I just I just want to go back from what >> Yeah. You said before a little bit, but it almost just seems the concept of the person saying like I love God. It just seems like so on the one hand selfish and at the same time like not realistic. Meaning for that, you know, again, and I know I suppose I suppose that the Reb is going to get is going to get there. But to be disciplined, to be the soldier, to go and do what tells is telling us to do, to be the you know, just to go use the drunk person's gifts to serve God and that's it. Understood? But you know that this like idea like to love God, it's it's so how can a like you know how can a human being be in a place It it almost it just almost sounds very superficial. >> So, >> can I take it correct? >> Yes, sure, please. >> So, you know, I think that hopefully hopefully we have all had the experience at some point of our life of falling in love. Maybe it wasn't when we met our spouses, but there's an excitement in a relationship. And those times to me that is a revealed essence of love. When you have that love sickness that you can't stand to be away, that all you're thinking about is that person, that's not a state of constancy. Maybe it'll last for a very short time like the the theas today the the Tanya today is talking about when you you don't feel it when you don't feel it you gota you know push yourself through but to feel the love I think we do have the capacity to feel that at at you know for short periods of time um >> so >> it's what we do when we don't feel it that's that's the avod So, I'll focus in on a few of the words that you said, which is how do we feel when we don't have it? Right. You said that >> it's the love sickness, right? >> The love sickness. Wait. So, I want to I want to focus in on that. The and this is from Tanya chapter 10. says over there the difference between the and right the says there's five categories the Tanya is built on this there's the righteous complete saddic and the incomplete saddic what's the difference so he teaches in chapter 10 that the complete sadic has a hatred to evil an absolute hatred to evil to anything that is or anything that's antithetical to god he hates there's there's no room for it. Whereas the sadik the incomplete sadik doesn't have 100% absolute hatred to to evil and therefore his love for God is also not 100%. In other words, the love the the love is the love is seen if and and and and realize if it's real love of Hashem is there HOW MUCH YOU HOW MUCH YOU DESPISE THE OPPOSITE. Is said it in the words of how do you feel when when when your lover is not around like are So it's it's in it's in the it's in the the rejection of anything that is contrary to Hashem that we see if your love is is is very palpable. But Iser this I don't think I don't hear it how it how it addresses Mosha's point. If I understood Maj's point correctly, he was saying discipline which he he's calling discipline which is true. Discipline is a seems to be a very hard thing to do to be disciplined. So why over here the is making the point that the true a is not but a not discipline but love. And that was his question. Misha, am I right? That was your question. Hello. You're frozen. You look frozen. >> Yeah, I Yeah, it's helpful. I If >> maybe I have to think about it more. I have to think about it more. >> Okay. But so >> if it wasn't your question, I like the question. >> That's that's the that's the question that bothers me as I'm learning this. That's the question. And that's what I'm struggling with in words to explain it. >> Yeah. >> It is, you know, how we're SAYING THAT DISCIPLINE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE. The ultimate is the love >> and it would seem like he >> That's right. I had to think about it some I had to I I had to think about it and I I have to maybe relisten. But I I I I I Okay, but just for another second then we'll finish. If you compare discipline to real love, would you say discipline is >> Can I just forgive me for interrupting, but I almost you what you just said discipline. You know, you're married. you're married for x amount of the years that we're married for. Okay? And you it's like you talk of discipline like you know you got to do what your wife wants. You know if you don't do what your wife wants then you're going to be in the doghouse, right? >> The boss. >> But it's like but it's like but but but it's like it's like that it's it's that line from like I'm sorry to say this. It's a line from like fiddle on the roof. You know like you know I cleaned your clothes. I did this. I cooked your meals. How how could you say I don't love you? You know, it's like you love God cuz you're doing what God wants us to do in this world. How could I say I don't love God? But to go and like stand there, you know, like, you know, like and like dance around just by myself that I love God, that's a very personal, it's not just that a very personal thing, but I would think that a person could only do that in a very private private setting. >> Okay. That that issue private versus public setting we didn't discuss. That's true. You're right that the the idea of of loving Hashem is a very priv is a much more private issue. Yes. It's a very it's a deeper issue. Now inidus by the way in in many other places in it does say that awe fear discipline touches deeper within the person. But here we're learning just the opposite. And I think it's two different strands that we're looking at. Uh let me let me you know uh think about it myself and we'll all think about it and uh maybe we'll come up with some uh some thought for the next year. We'll see everyone tomorrow. Okay. >> Byebye. >> Thanks.