Klolei HaChinuch Education Principles Rebbe Raayatz #12

which is chapter tests and and is explaining over here the idea the difference the difference of of students and people because of their work situation remember we're analyzing now the various different situations right before we were talking about the mahouse the mohusa of them the essence of man and now we're talking about the situation situation meaning what is what kind of home does it come from wealthy or poor what's his business like where does he come from all of those things so right now in tests he's analyzing his haul the the differences between people be based on the type of performance the job job perform performance of jobs that they do now 53 we're at uh the um we'll go back to the second paragraph okay dover mukhlet it starts it's readily accepted the other it's rarely accepted the muslim means like kind of what whatever falls into your head first is called musculation that the category of those that sit in tents and learn tighter are greater than those that work and right here that have a kind of hazard parenthesis but not those that are craftsmen and we explained yesterday based on the note also that we're referring to people who who um have free time who don't have free time they don't run their own work they work for someone else and they're mishubbed they're dedicated they're obligated to the to the employer uh whereas bali malacha someone who you know is a craftsman on his own making cabinets or the like makes his the fact that there are differences essential difference amongst people as we established earlier in the previous chapters that has to some degree an impact a hashball also on the type of work that they do and this is very true right in other words depending on who you really are that's what type of work or lifestyle is he will use the word yesterday you choose it's not just it's not just you went to college and it was a career choice and the uh what's it called the person the career counselor tells you that this is what he thinks you'd be good in and go into this field that's that's true but it comes because he senses in you that this is who you are so there are certain people that work very well for others if they'll be on their own it would be a disaster give me another example some people work well at home and some people they they would they wouldn't get anything done at home they would go they would go on the net they would they would go on television they would sleep they would just eat right and other people in their house they get so much more accomplished you know yes so so in other words based on who you are that's the type of career and job you choose that's what he just said when he is involved in his business affairs yeah moved guess what he's going to be separate meaning he's not going to be caught in the web of business because really what is he about him and about kishrae he in other words he has to work because he has to make money for his family for partners and all that but really who is he about who wants to you know study and read and all of that nevertheless even he such a person that because calls this person a refined character essentially his essence is more refined he's still far from the total scholar in other words even a businessman who who is this type of businessman nevertheless the fact is he's still engaged in work versus someone who's full-time occupation is learning uh not this full-time the type of of job that he has is joshua he's of a different category in other words are you going to compare someone who works a half a day and learns a half a day to someone that learns a whole day no there's no it's two different people next paragraph therefore yes therefore you must say that business people and those that learn are different in what they're obligated to learn and what and how they're obligated to behave because these are two different paths now he's going to enumerate very interesting these things about let's follow he controls his own time but we're not talking about a yeshiva bachelor i'll call you like getting a check for learning we're talking about someone who sincerely is 50 years old and he wants to learn he learns all day you know talking about when he's in total control like some of you haven't you want to learn you're on the sear now you don't say no one's paying you for it and all that bass he leaves a tranquil life he doesn't have real estate investments to worry whether he has a tenant or he doesn't have a tenant he doesn't have stocks to worry if it's up or down this man is one thing or one thing called he sits and learns and he has a tranquil life no anxieties or no anxieties less anxieties sorry less anxieties he has the choice of finding himself in an environment that he chooses to be in he doesn't have to go and do his work on the uh near the beach or manhattan or in the airport where i was last night you know and every time i pick up my head i see someone who's you know inappropriately dressed you don't got to go to the airport you could sit and learn at your home to your fort and not see anybody okay so that's what it means here number like kane so these were three identifying issues that about a yoshif oil has like kane conversely a businessperson aleph here's the contrast amy tyson beyond them their time is not in their own hand sorry you gotta be at your work nine o'clock nine to five etc or listen we have a deadline you gotta you gotta you gotta fulfill the deadline beautiful even someone who conducts himself in a proper way according to the the dictates of tata who asuk is busy right someone says moisha i'm commissioning you i'm paying you to draw this right but it isn't this time or someone does it with me with a book i'm obligated to them to come to a time that they're paying me not just for the job but also for a time frame so i'm also based another contrast that we find by the bala by nature of the business is stress related that's it jump up and down left and right you ain't getting out of it most business people do not have a tranquil life by the way he's not saying right here better or worse he's just giving you the facts the way he sees them gimmel from the perspective of asaki right he says uh of the business person they have to meet all kinds of people all upon them names and sometimes they are in not a healthy and good environment you go into a business there you gotta have a meeting and it brings you into a place and shady and this and that and the characters low toef but you gotta go so these are the three issues that the that the a yoshi of oil has versus the three issues that the ball is cast the type of education that you're able to use to educate the the one who sits and learns commission cause what happened next page 55 as the altar ever writes we say foreign chapter 30 he alludes there to the alternate he's alluding to the alternative rights someone who sits all day is obligated to sit in the market right and he is tempted and his yates of her is tempted that's whatever talks about in that chapter you're innocent about not having ego guyver and he bases it on the mishnah right that uh don is called um right you shouldn't be judgmental it's about that ever says you're saying you're so holy you're so frum and everything else well wait a minute you are not challenged by the issues that the other person has which are which are that he that he that he has to that he has to uh deal with uh the market that's from tonya chapter 30 okay so the rebbe says here the same thing that ever says the same thing you cannot use the same methods of app of of guidance in educating an education educating to someone who's a yoshi of oil versus to someone who is it is impossible for the business person to conduct himself in all of his manners just as the yoshi yes i'm sorry i skipped when we're talking about matters that are permissible completely according to [Music] yes surely there's a difference between business people and israel in other words if it's mutter it's mutter so the baalaisik he's a lot of gold anywhere that's that's mutual pitara even though some of those places aren't exactly the atmosphere and environment that he would prefer being right but it's mutual so for him he needs that for his work so when your mechanic such a person that the attitude has to be a very different one than talking to someone who's a yeshival he's not allowed to be there why not because even though it's mutter al-pitera but he being the yay javale is judged by hashem and that god wants it from forget about being judged god wants of him a higher standard this is something that that many have people have a difficulty relating to the idea that there's a higher standard expected of certain people based on their history their job but that's the facts that's what the devil is saying here so yes we expect more from a rabbi and a gabba and a maishira bhenu and all of that why because they take an and a leader and a politician because being that you're in a position of leadership on some level more is expected of you and sometimes this gets very very uncomfortable and that's why people drop out from various leadership positions right and i'm not talking about um anything outrageous you know that's outrageous talking about even things that are not outrageous when people start pointing the finger at you that's when you know you could say well to yourself you're saying i'm a human being just like you i'm a regular guy and what do you want from me well i'm sorry my friend so this episode yes motion dolphin i would ask a question you just used you just used examples of leadership people in the leadership position you used fact the matter is though is that we've just been speaking i feel like you made a jump though from a yoshi who's let's say with i think it says he's learning he's learning you know let's say he's that's that's his malacha is his learning as opposed to let's say like a rob of a city who could be a massive but he has to deal with all types of people all day because he's not necessarily right uh you know i'm thinking just to some other bottom that we're just in a uh you know you i understand i understand yes so they're just saying like you have a person who is a tremendous let's say but at the same time he's got to deal with all types of people and all types of situations um and there and therefore and therefore make it therefore and therefore no so therefore there's no question that that person has to be he has to hold himself up to standards there's no question about them i'm just i'm bringing it back to the issue of the example you gave about like a rav is that the type of person right now that the rebel riots is speaking about he's talking about both he's talking about that you know love would have one standard and and and and and the youtube oil has a has another standard but it's unique to yeshiva so you're right in other words you're only strengthening the point of that but the previous point is that depending on what profession they have what job involvement there uh they do that's the standard of chinook that they have to be given and you need to take that into consideration in in being them okay okay i mean i i i lumped them all in yes yes avi everything that we've learned up until now looking into a person's talents looking to a person's situation if he's about essec or if he's the ocean or hell that's good if you're learning with me here we have jonason because he's not on my screen i can only see the people who i mentioned okay i'm sorry you're teaching me so you and i know each other very well i know where you come from you know right i'm from i can give myself to you now all of a sudden i had hillel who's a psychologist i am the only who's in real estate i owe moshe who's in saffros and art and i don't know what and you understand i'm not exactly sure what he does now i it's harder for me to gear to only i have a curriculum today i want to cover addition of two digits but each guy has different kistro notes comes from a different place how does these principles which seem to work very well on the one-to-one basis fit in and so you may i may be taking you off on the tangent no no no no no excellent question i think maybe some of the shihurum you missed that ever that ever addressed your point i believe definitely indirectly if not directly and the answer is you're right that's what he's saying that has to focus in it with every individual student and person individually to succeed but i got a class of 30. in this case no i'm not he's not talking about in a class in a classroom situation he's saying like before before you begin know your students know the who who they really are know their situation the and then and then you'll you'll succeed of course in in teaching a class for a group you try to choose as a teacher you know you're a teacher too a level that's that's shovel a whole nephesh that's that everyone can benefit from and some of us do a better job of that at that and some do not so good that that's how they score their points whether they're considered popular and good teachers or not so you know but but the fact is that i i um over the years i give an example even in this group i'm not going to say who what when past presidency you don't know what i'm talking about there's been a few people said well the level is it's nice but i want to learn deep stuff i said you want to learn only deep stuff this year is not for you because this is a sheer that that takes some deep ideas some practical ideas and and we're putting it all together it's a certain energy of sheer you want to learn zohar this is not the share for zora i'm not teaching desire i will sights or i'll explain that section but i'm not teaching desire and if you want zaya don't you know but if you want to benefit from understanding a citation of zaya and what it means in your life and and and you then you really understand that little piece of zayar come here okay so so the answer is in that way a teacher tries to give everyone something everyone something but but to your question the answer is in a group setting it's impossible to do what he's suggesting he's not talking about in a group setting he's talking more on an individual level he's talking about to these two mush beer in la bavich who had 18 boys under their under their wings and and and and some of them didn't want to learn hasidis and some and many of them had guyver they were big comedy and this yeshiva system was relatively new you know and there's zionism and there's haskeller and and and so he's telling these these two guys you want to succeed you really better know your students and work with them individually and that's listen hilo's a counselor that's what a good counselor is that's what a good rabbi is it's not yes you get inspiration for coming to ashir coming to rabbi's russia and and but at the end of the day if you don't really want change it's one-on-one avi have i some i addressed a little of your of your you addressed it all thank you okay [Music] thank you okay so now let's continue inside the yesh devarim asher ain't this next few lines is very important there are certain things that if a balayage does it it's not considered a transgression yakov it's not uh but these very same things if someone who's a yoshiva sits and learns he doesn't [Music] and they are then in the category of describing god's name and this is so true this is so true okay and and again i emphasize this nakuda because you know the expression if it's too hot in the kitchen get out there ever told me beckett i think in 76 when he came to see the rebber with those care with can't they i forget what it was was an issue and the rapper said to him he said to the rebber the pressure from the united states is you know on this role is so great and all that and that ever told them the nice words it's on tape i actually have it somewhere best nevertheless but you know my friend you want to be the leader of of of energy slow sorry stand up otherwise get out of the kitchen if you can't stand up get out of the kitchen you know so a leader and every that treated connector here there are yachts uses very help hate when we read in the newspaper about a leader a rabbi whatever that's done something not nice on any level it reverberates all over whereas some regular heverman that does something no one knows no one cares and you know not that that's justified kitchen [Music] so he means until he does trooper until he does true for his lawyer cooper of course he could do true for yaakov of nature but there's nothing that stands before trooper you know what's the expression if there's a will there's a way you know talking about true but this morning an idea came to me as i'm showering in the midfield the best ideas come in the mikvah and the idea is i want to write a book on bali chuva you talk about leah cooper i want to write chabad balichuva asia tara belchuva's arahimbalchuvas and any other bells bounce i think it would be a good book people would you know not not not one better than the other just look at each group what do you say hello i think it's a great idea i think uh i think it's something that needs some deeper inquiry and so on yeah yeah no no especially today the children and grandchildren you know they're integrated already you know and it's important because it comes up i know i'm sure in other communities too hey my father my mother led such a lifestyle today the truth why can't i not take a taste that's just you know a common argument but there's all kinds of ramifications you know um go ahead well baruch hashem my my uh all of my children are uh are religious married and i'm talking about my married children but they all have sort of taken a different path uh you know you know they've all taken out a different slice than than us and we we we're fine with it it's like uh it was like an affirmation that we we raised them with the idea that um you know that uh that they should they could they could have room to make their own choices right well that's that would be part of my study because um in in from birth homes if if if you're allowed to say that you know ffb homes um that issue that you identify is is is more rigid is is it yeah yeah yeah i mean it you know it's happening now more where there is more room but it's only you know why because they see that they ain't getting they're not scoring the points so they're giving in but as shita my son just told me he met someone who moved in here this is coral springs florida you know you know uh you know it ain't it ain't brooklyn and then you shall i am okay or muncie it ain't big chemist right okay he meets a guy who's 28 a lakewood boy who grew up in lakewood not that he learned that the yeshiva you know and and um yeah he had big issues with his parents and you know they disowned him now they took him back but the point is you know there are issues there are lots of issues that uh that we need to to look at so anyway i just reminded myself because yaakov said lawyer huppar and he's right he made a good observation what do you mean i meant to say tilly does truva and the value of truva is ongoing and of course the misnomer is that truth is not just for someone who literally became a paltish he was eating the mcdonald's and he stopped eating the bounty shuva is even more important for the fruit person i can tell you that because we what the president came to the garage and he introduced himself he said uh he asked him where he learns jesus commands his own fitness about stupid he says exactly you know it's so easy to to to ride on your high horse and everything else so there's a and you should know that what i heard from the red bull over so many years and it has its source in tata and gimmer and whole attitude towards truth is not bali truther his attitude was that the taylor says chuva you be in other words it's it's it's it's a true concept as a jew any jew and from there you begin you understand he didn't come to the concept of opening a dark torah or a morristown or about true yeshiva or tearing rabbit ghosting over the diaspora yeshiva consulted with the rabbit together with a flavor carol bach in the early 60s and there are letters to to that okay or have a fry thrilled of shari yoshirov and far rockaway i mean these were leaders in the paltruva movement and of course the marsupial what's it called rabbi you know um divine back but i mean from or from asia turret too uh whatever the weinberg rabbi weinberg anyway all these different yeah you know weinberg right they all they all tapped into the river back in the 50s and 60s i'm not going to go in the book we'll talk a little bit about that but it's not even and it's fine and it's fine the truth the truth needs to be from from that perspective you know and that's why it's relevant i mean what what do you say to a statement of the holy sayer that says will come what will be one of the accomplishments which is aramaic four he will make sadiq that's from the zoar that's what it says and what does it mean what what we see that it means is that there that the idea of chuva by exotic is is reality just like by about truth and even more so and i think it does tie into what we're talking about over here but you could say that that the chuva of athatic since it's um has been the raw in the in the left chamber of the heart that the chuba is only in the realm of their nepheshalukus that that they could do better oh that's a very good point obviously you've thought about it and that's good you learned about it which is good the answer the answer is you're right however however the that i don't want never spoke about this issue that you're bringing up and he said two things one thing he said is when a sadik helps about the shiva do truth he gets the virtue about teshuva that he himself doesn't have malcolm right exactly well yeah it it also seems i we were uh baroque and i uh were just we just finished the uh the uh 12th peric in the casinos on the tonya yes and it and there was a note in there that was just fascinating because we were really doing a deep dive into the whole concept of the baneny versus the today and and the mechanics of that and in one of the little notes he said he says you know the the definition of itzadek is different in this paragraph than from the beginning where he talks about the the tonic more like like like the rambam talks about it you know right so so it's you know uh that was a helpful that was a helpful uh concept because uh wrapping your head around the intricacies of of how how the baltania defines a today is it it's very precise and it's very nuanced right and and when we learn general texts we're not we're not really looking we're not that's not the topic we're talking about you know right right so right so going back to you i general maybe i know another work of casitas or something and it's talking about it's they're not they're not necessarily applying the distinction that the valentine is making correct correct correct okay but as it's relevant to your point over here regarding the baal teshuva and the sadiq so i said one point the rebel said is that when the sadiq works with the baalshuva and helps the belt sure become about the he gets the virtue and another another that could be is that he himself you you put it in terms of nephesh other kids versus nephesh obama's i i want to make sure you're just saying all you guys understand what hillary said hillary said according to the tanya at sadiq is someone who has transformed completely as yetzer hara right so what does the zayar mean mashiach when mashiach will come that sadiq will do truva what is it doing true for father he has no yates or herrera yakov you're hearing this question and the ins and so say hilo gave the answer that is it it's within the if never shallow kiss the sonic has only at this point that he could that he does truva what kind of truffa so you could say it's like going from good to better right there is from bad to good and there's from good to better which by the way will be the state of reality when the shia comes since it says obliterate all evil from amongst your messiah comes so what's going to be the free choice and what's going to be the avoider from good to better similarly to what's similar to assadic who's whose choice is and from good to better so meaning from good to better that's what he said you wanted to say something more well i just want to just say that there's a for me there's an interesting parallel because when i was trained uh to be a clinical social worker the first the a lot of the emphasis to a lot of what constituted my education was sort of like learning what was wrong with people um you know different uh cat diagnosis and categories of of mental emotional disorder but as i in my life as a therapist one of the things that that has evolved and i i think i reflect the the field of therapy in that time is that um the what helps people change in psychotherapy is my is is much more my i would say uh i would say close to virtually all more focusing on positive things and resources and and skills and uh then then then it is uh that it is on focusing on sort of problems from the past so in that sense it's a little bit like it's almost always a a a sense of like how what's good and what could be better so i you know i hear a little echo okay okay okay but we ideal psychotherapy is i think okay but we cannot go away this is also part of what i would be studying and writing about they go hand in hand and and the fact is if you don't deal at some point with surme ra whatever that issue is it's gonna come back to haunt you it it it's still there so you know i hear what you're saying hello and and maybe i would say that the emphasis the emphasis now by you is the positive and you were taught at the beginning as you were taught the emphasis was the you know looking for the negative i can hear that but at the end of the day it's definitely an evolution uh but i i don't disagree with you i think uh i think that uh the mice you're you're absolutely right and that's it and that's just that's a um and that's a critique within the field of of some of the more positive therapies is that they tend to uh they can set people up for a fall by by emphasizing changes that are more superficial i think they can also set people up for for uh you know for a you know positive development right so so the rebbe also in in in the last chapter or two he spoke about remember misleading the mechanic you know misassesses and mis-evaluates who the student and who the is and gives them a false hope and a false derek because they they never figured out it's very i think you missed a few of those classes but that we learned about that that's why it's so important to know to know to know who the person is so that when you deal with the second issue which is the situation as he calls it which we're in middle of learning now um you'll deal with it properly anyone else wanted to say anything any thoughts they're good good stuff yeah maisha i just want to say it's interesting we've gone to the discussion about shuva but this last line in the paragraph that the rebel rats writes it's like i mean it is so um such a critical line because unfortunately we have all seen so many people in positions of leadership both rabbinic leadership political leadership who have made such an unbelievable by their actions and and our you know you know unfortunately some of them you know are still sitting in jail yeah you know and and um you know and it's it can be very you know it's interesting because to be a yoshi of all and to be sitting in the best marriage all day and not to have concerns or like what's the kiddish what's the person you know not being challenged in there's no there's no there's no there's no but you i'm just saying the person person is out in the world and who has to be a leader and at the same time you know has to deal with all types of crazy complicated situations that's that's a real voda that's that's that's a very serious okay true but you know the torah does speak about how the beauty of learning the importance of learning there are some people as we say my soul lusts desires torah you know there it exists it exists and barack hashem that exists you know i'm saying hashem wants everything and based on what their a person chooses that's what they do you know um so it's not for us to poo poo you know it's that's not my mahalo it's not my what what i wanted for myself and my family um but yes yes there there there's there is that issue um okay remember sunday i uh hey i won't even be back but uh we'll re resume immediate monday okay have a great shopping to everybody nice learning it's right right listen to this vert i leave you with this word that came to me yesterday the gemara says i think it's habit one can could die one can rely one one can rely on in a situation when it's difficult so this is the way higher dolphin touches the end to bring [Applause] it's uncomfortable we don't have the shield now it's very uncomfortable reliability that he will bring shasta he'll bring the end take it or leave it have a great day a good shabbos and a friend with everybody take care that's a great year thank you thank you everyone bye bye