Klolei HaChinuch 1898 #4 - Difference between Educator and Teacher

okay come here let's go let's go pedic base we're starting our motion painted base 23. so now he says what are the clean what are the principles of education and and guidance at first glance the field of education and guidance detainers the field of teaching seemed to be quite similar why because both are one category which which are kishore noise talents that impact the spiritual side of man so therefore you would seem to you would want to group them together says but in truth they are entirely different next page 24. let's see how he avoid educating and guiding generally speaking is a very difficult task for avoiding the fader is a very uh treacherous heavy track task more you set [Music] the task of a teacher teaching students although although teaching also was one of the most difficult activities because nevertheless ain't hakushi klau its difficulty is has no comparison kim like the difficulty of the tasks of educating and guidance with nationai timing i'll give you two reasons why it's a vast difference one well when it comes to instruction the primary involvement of the instructor is what is it it consists of intellectual ideas aleph the virus the teacher the teacher's task is to explain the idea um to explain it to the student being show him with parables and illustrations number two the teacher's task is it is to to open to develop the to develop the students abilities by by um conceiving ideas creativity base by havanas hamas border through explaining the parable and and its explanation gimbal number three the dia museve subrudo by with a settled you know knowledge clear i'll cope on him what we have from this is that the task of a teacher bahirosa through his instruction he ah it is only only being regarding in logic and information because even the the the smallest and uh and easiest idea he name is still part of the category of intellect there's deep intellect and there's shallow intellect but intellect at the end of the day's intellect this correct correct i saw that right i was going to get to that i just want to first continue and the comparison so this all he says is a teacher instruction came by no comparison is the task of education and guidance the primary involvement job of the educator and the guide the mentor who being a nebucha it is primarily consists of transforming base and ignoble traits not nice traits disgusting traits it's not about teaching knowledge it's about teaching him a method of ridding himself of bad ugly traits uber frat more specifically the initial idea of education and guidance the ayurveda ordinary he quotes the verse man is born like a wild young donkey victivious or regelius bahamias with animalistic impulses and behavior that is natural tibiate natural to him drawing drawing man after material good model and drawing him to what's usually visually attractive and it is the job of the mechanic the educator and the mentor guide to show him how to remove himself from these ugly character traits and now he goes back to he's going back and forth in his comp and showing the difference between the two next paragraph avoid this the task of the teacher in in in in is in instructing through teaching although like i said that ever says it's there's much responsibility for a teacher to teach to explain to clarify jonas made it very nice and clear to teach him how to be creative not just be a puppet uh a parakeet they're repeating things can you come up with an idea yourself creativity analysis das concentration and that's all the job of the teacher the teacher is responsible he says is responsible to show a student to teach a student how to develop those talents aval back to the text aval however it is not at all comparable to the responsibility of a educator and a mentor and a guide i don't believe why because when it comes to instruction through teaching even if it's what it doesn't have an impact right how do y'all go upon him or your cow kill one thing's for sure you didn't ruin the student the student came in not knowing how to be creative you tried teaching him how to be creative it didn't work you didn't get it he didn't get it okay he's the same he's the same person you didn't make him any worse like kane conversely when it comes to educating and guidance eight the responsibility maisha is tremendous the main name is sakin if you don't correct the student in the areas of these flaws that he has he's going to get worse so you only by by you not succeeding as an educator and as a guide mentor it's not only that he'll be the same that he came in it's going to get worse because we want more indulgences and more indulgences and you get more good up and more course and and and it's a fact of life so the responsibility that ever says of the mechanic and the and and the and the guide mentor is much greater here there's no room for okay he didn't succeed he'll be the same he'll be without the knowledge he won't have creativity he have develop he'll have analysis you know i'm saying okay he's a he'll have analysis he won't be creative but you know he's basically the same mensch here he becomes less of a mensch therefore [Music] whether it be someone who's old in years whether he's young in years it's necessary absolutely necessary next page top of 27. he must watch and guard uh the rules that are necessary to help the student rid himself or herself of these ugly character traits i should be loaded without them elizabeth and if the teacher if the guide and mentor an educator doesn't do that he said he repeats again not only shilla you sucking not only is did he not correct the situation in the student older or younger and urgent council he actually ruined him that's a very very heavy statement but it ever says that so the rebbe here makes it very very clear that we have a very very big difference between a teacher and an educator now you know we we lump both both of these words together and our vocabulary and our way we think and all that but in the countries that ebb says if you stop and think and you analyze the two it's as we say in hebrew it's as distant from the east to the west because one has the responsibility to teach knowledge and one has the responsibility to educate and guide in behavior so really you're talking about two type not really you're we're talking about two different methods that are required here and that's why there could be listen to this there can be an excellent teacher and think about your teachers in school and university and shiorim one teacher can be gavaldic in teaching clarity explanation but he doesn't teach you how to get rid of those [ __ ] the the the issues that are are not good for character and behavior manchester kite meters royce what we call musser right and the rabbit says the rebbe says that only a an educator and a guide is charged not only it is for to to accomplish this you need an educated guide in hasidis what do we call this inhabited that's the job of mashpea today fortunately unfortunately we've lumped together and i i'm on a campaign and i haven't succeeded yet but i won't give up that every chabad community every jewish community needs a mashpia outside of a rabbi a rav a rabbi is a roof that's his job now if he functions as if the rabbi functions as a mashipia and he has someone else to be to pass into shiloh so be it but what i'm saying is that a community and in in a yeshiva world too what i see in the yeshiva world is they have great rabbis great teachers and very few muskie or in the lit fisher world they call them madrid you have i'm not saying but not enough way way in other words there's so much emphasis on the on the idea the knowledge and there's so much less emphasis on the hashbow you can have one much gear for a hundred boys and you can have ten magi describe for a hundred boys or five magidish euro and what the rep is saying here really if you extract it and you bring it into the real world he's saying really you should have more and the truth is that's why in his system in the rashad there are yachts educational system of chabad yeshiva that's the way he made his yeshiva in and this is written for them right this is what he's saying and this is what they followed do you know that when they opened the yeshiva they didn't have a of shiva i mean you go tell slobodka that or volajin or mir or kletsk or lakewood i mean the the they laugh at you what do you mean you don't have a russian 18 18 18 year olds to 20 year olds who already were full of tata you know whether he knows this this shot of that shot that wasn't the issue but the character is you have yes and ego and ugliness and his refinement and all that oh so the rap shop said i'm appointing too much beer he doesn't even talk about it russia shiva could you imagine a a person opens a yeshiva at the height of our scholar enlightenment with everything else that's going on no russia shiva because he's saying we at that time at that time the main thing is the character and how they're going to be strong enough to fight a way to fight off enlightenment tuscola and secular zionism etc right so that's what he does now even later as the chabad yeshivas continued in russia and ukraine and then later in their destroy and in america etc and they're all over where they already incorporated the russia the mainstay and this i i could see the literature world really having an issue with was the masb till today till today are like the main attraction to a yeshiva let me let me say for the record it should be clear we have some excellent rashi yeshiva big talmud and some are like for example los angeles i learned by rabbi when i was a a 20 year old we were sent 10 of us from morristown the rabbinical college of marist on the yeshiva to los angeles los angeles has older bachelor he's a talmud of lakewood a talmud of brisk you know and he's in a barbecue so but but his mo you know he's a going to cup and he was a real rusher shiva i mean he gave shirum for two three hours sometimes i mean it was amazing we just had a group um 40-year um zoom and i spoke about that i said they asked everyone what's your main thing you remember for those two years is spending in los angeles i said to me i i'm to see this man in action was a life lesson for me because i came from you know from chabad here in crown heights with a in morristown they were my main reason for you know for growth and and attract an attraction and of course the rebbe and khasid and here i mean we had russia shiva and they but this was a he's an exception so it was very interesting at age 20 you know you're not a child anymore to take a look at a person like that i mean i remember um from time every six months or a year we would publish a journal of of pilpulum scholarly dissertations on on commuter topics and he was in charge in fact the rabbit told him years before in yeshida's to do that and because of that he was blessed with twins it's a whole story he didn't have children he didn't he had but he only didn't have for many years and that ever told him to write so he did and right away he had a twins so that's another thing anyway so i saw him in the library in los angeles sometimes three two three in the morning i was up then two and no one else was up was sleeping he was in there with sverim piled up and his head was buried before he had to produce the clevitz the journal of you know so so a fascinating talmud nevertheless nevertheless to us coming from where we came from to come to us where we came from he he was he wasn't he wasn't compared to yo khan i he took second place because that was the way the khabar system from 1897 developed itself and i'm not i'm not going now into it's better it's worse i'm just telling you on the kuda so that's we do have big shiva in habad but the mash pia is the eater and why and why because of what we're learning right here what we just learned what does it have to say here hilo what does it have to say he says here that it's it's more you can't compare the teacher of information even the best of teachers to the mechanic and the madrid the educator and the guide who's dealing with getting rid of what he calls let's look at the language nebu the cure ugliness and you know bad character and that remained a a mainstay and this opens up for us an entire other issue to think about and that is that that is why in the chabad yeshiva system from that time until today the emphasis the emphasis is is more on the avoider than the learning although there's a lot of learning we lo the rashob set up to learn seven hours a day gemura and three hours a day hasidis and in lubavitch i heard from rebel ramayana who was a student there was passed on of course he told me they would learn from 12 o'clock in the afternoon till 7 o'clock tomorrow okay that's seven hours and he said that the the good students would try not to go to the bathroom to take a break in those seven hours that's how committed they were to learning the gemara so if anyone tells you that in lebanon they don't emphasize gemura it's a lie simply not true nevertheless what is the echo of the learning is the avoider is the refinement of character okay now what do you guys say about this the question every question about that so i i'm trying to understand something why why would anyone lick fish against avodah what we learn we're supposed to put into practice why would anyone be against that i don't i'm just trying to understand okay okay so i would take the word against out it's not against but the question is youni what is the icar of a yeshiva curriculum so for example i'll answer your question with with a historical fact do you know that in the literature yeshivas in various ones there were very big disagreements about learning musser as part of the curriculum and this issue was so uh was such a hot a hot cake that there were fights and and and yeshiva is closed temporarily because of it i documented a lot of this in my books you know and and the literature yeshivas don't like to talk about it because it's it's a red flag but that's the facts because they felt not understand what they felt let's end up high in brisker you know you're talking about or abort bear label with the comments okay they were against having formal musser in the yeshiva why they said for that you do outside of the curriculum on your free time instead of reading books in the library secular books read musa learn muslim the other school of thought of slav finkel you know the great grandfather of today's russia shiva he said everyone must learn muslim he says muslims the mainstay of the yeshiva and this was such a macho kiss you can't imagine what this caused in europe in the lithuanian yeshivas so it's not the only that they're against avodah the question is if avoiders should take to take away from the time of learning gomorrah and most yeshivas felt it should not our rather he had this ongoing um push more with the kassidisher rabbis because they didn't come to see him and they didn't kind of listen to him at all anyway um you know outwardly at least but the siddhis let's say told the siren 1963 he comes to see the rebel and crown heights for mayor sharon and the rabbit speaks them about teaching hasidis and rabbit says you don't have to teach this you're not yeshiva but more of a shamish was it which is clearly what you should make it part of the curriculum and the rapper did this with the belzer reb i think in 1981 and with the gary rabbit and and you know and then and they even you know between themselves and others they had their comments some positives are negative but the point is that ebbing was relentless this was his number one thing with the rebels was why don't you institute the study of hasidis of your cities you and you see this but see there should be a regular part of the curriculum and it wasn't in their yeshiva so not only wasn't it in in literature she so what i mean to say part of the curriculum the way it's in khabari only is 7 30 in the morning we came into the yeshiva till 9 o'clock we all had the same for him and we learned the same text like we're doing now and then twice or three times a week we had a share by the mashfield gave us year in it and then we reviewed this year and then we asked questions like you learned of the mother russian crisis and you went on the stamp shot and that's what the rashad wanted that ashab wanted that the study of hasidah should be and i'm talking about now the study i'm not talking about i'm talking about the study should be on par to nigla to talmud then there's the idea of ashbo in in in the bad world it's called hashpond world in the literature was called there you see what the what their previous labor writes here he says this is a mainstay now let's again let's go historically and see how it makes sense because here he is talking to these two must be him he has students who are big have great knowledge of of gamora and they don't know as much as and as far as their character uh they feel so big about themselves yeshua's oh i know so much you know they tell over of a great uh hussein who became later and he was a buckingham elijah his son is a friend of mine is a rabbi in toronto and he came from a literature yeshiva to lubavitch in the early 1900s and he came in with uh you know a lot of knowledge you know but he had yes he had ego so when it came time to bake matas for pesach the reber ashab him the job or maybe the previous rebel gave him the job of like rolling the pins where he worked up a big sweat and and and he came and he said like this is too much for me in other words he's used to using his mind and learning and he's physically rolling pins for mats and he's sweating away and then asha and ashab said this is what you need to break your yes and and it worked that that it worked so what do we see here is this genius who knows shas but he's coming he's using yes he's using guyva ego so that ashab found a way of dealing with it so you see again how this was a mainstay in the yeshiva and that's what the and that's what the future could have been saying over here that the an educator a mechanic and a madrid and a guide are a very different animal than a teacher both are necessary but he says if you start putting putting them together and mixing up the roles you're going to have a disaster and as he says if a person doesn't have information no he'll have a little less information but if you don't correct the student's behavior and meet us it just gets worse and worse any final questions or from anybody or we are done okay yes i i just wanted to sort of comment on this from wearing my other hat you know the in in neuroscience today one of the one of the key sort of themes is that the human nervous system develops really in relationships that uh it's our primary relationships that that that form our nervous system and our our brains don't really develop when we're when we're denied kind of the essential relationships early in life they don't develop in the same way so it seems like a similar kind of theme here comparing comparing a mashmiya to a to a to a teacher i mean we all had those kinds of teachers who who you know all they care about is communicating certain kind of information uh and they don't care you have to if you want it you've got to work for it from those who really set out to make a connection with you as a learner those are the ones who stay with you right i hear very good yes motion i just want to make make a point that um today you know in yeshivas you also have a masjid it's interesting you have a mashpira what time you came if you came late we're talking in in the literature world i believe i i mean you know maybe i think much i know here rabbi wolfson of of tauravidas was the masjid in other words he gave the the the the the the muslim the rookney is tomorrow is a very different schedule it's uh yamato is here so i'm probably not going to be around in the afternoon i'm not sure my schedule but i'm going to be uh okay everyone should be in my sleep okay we will continue learning to see this and uh that will be our my participation in yeoman so please make sure hillel wherever you are grab her and tell him to stay here already bye bye have a good day take care good boy oh by the way today is the khatrilla river today is the rebel marash's yoma letter since the whole message of over the top over the top take care