Israel, Marriage, Katamon, Yekke - Eliezer Goldschmidt #3 - Rabbi Chaim Dalfin

here with Rebel Leza Goldmitt in this wonderful special interview. The third part we're talking now about 1948 the state of Israel and uh his life uh experience at the time. Please continue. Uh so the the interest the interest you want to ring something you want something see I already feel a glass of water some water go ahead continue okay you could bring the water go ahead no leave leave it leave it sit up leave I take it okay okay so 1948 there was demonstrations to get the Jews out of Europe The Jews woke up. He said continue. The Jews woke up as a result of of the war of the knowledge of what happened in in Europe during the right. And did you experience in college at the time anti-semitism because of 1948? City College was you could admit be admitted to City College only as a result of a very very difficult test. Six hours se six seven hours. Wow. Uh with of of tests of all kinds of things. The result being that the especially I was in the Bernard Bar school of city college. Which school? Bernard Baruk. Oh B. The Baro. Yes. Yes. City College was uh uh for all practic purpose 80 90% Jewish. So there was there was no question of an anti-semitism because there was mostly with Jews. Exactly. Exactly. The other thing see the atmosphere at the time the the anti-semitism was be much before that when my father came as an expert in marine insurance where he had worked in Europe he and when we came to America he he could he could not attain a job with an insurance company because it was he was Jewish. out of the question at the time. Therefore, he became so to speak a a independent uh uh broker but which he was not very suitable for. We didn't know how to sell. He knew his expert. He was an expert in right but he wasn't a salesman. He was not a salesman, right? But he had to nevertheless see to it that to bring Parnosa. Anyway, so as I said, the atmosphere uh the atmosphere was also concerning the question of what's happening in Israel and among the various friends of ours. We were we had we became so to speak a branch of the poa in America and uh we we tried to do we were look we were collecting things for to be sent to Isis Royal because in Israel there was there was nothing people couldn't have any food here even terrible so and a very difficult maf knows better because she was here during the uh independence war. So she knows exactly what's going on, what's going on and u the result being uh uh we collected and I we were working all the time in all kinds of things trying to do something uh and it took time actually from my learning at the time. Uh we had an additional while obviously we had an additional two to the school. We had uh uh we had I participated in Shirim which were given were in borrow park. Yes. By were given by some people who had been uh in China in in Shanghai. In Shanghai during the war. Yeah. At the Yeshiva in Mir. Yeah. And they they gave who do you remember the name? Anybody's name? I forgot. Who was the rabbi? Who was the RV of Ben Yehud at the time? Sharuna at the time. Rabbi Walberg. Wberg. Yes. He was America, so to speak. He he was he grew up in America. Yeah. Yeah. Uh he had he had I would say his words were he had an influence upon me. Uh undoubtedly the whole atmosphere was a a whereas in when I went to so to speak to high school there were many Jews but again Sham Shabas were practically not non-existent right so anyway and uh the the interest became more and more for me in Um uh concerning what was in Okay. And this was 1950 already. Yes. That's okay. So who what made your parents make aliyah? Parents did not make aliyah. Uh parents did not make aliyah. No. They stayed in Burough Park. Yes. Till they passed away. I personally went I I personally I personally went by by myself with the blessings of my father who whose history is very important to to say he was what was his first name your father my father's name was he was Herman Herman Gorge okay and what yeah he was telling me about his history that what he my father was I would say against the Zionists and for no other reason that he said at the time in the 20s I was told before I was born that the Arabs will never stay quiet. He's quiet. He was right. He and he said so that they wouldn't take it. They wouldn't do it. In other words, it would be very dangerous thing. Nevertheless, when it came so to speak after the Second World War and the the state was already established, when and I saw the difficulty so to speak in America concerning the question of jobs and Shabbat and so forth and all of these that I decided that I'm going to go and see what's doing in this world. supported it. And my father gave his blessings and uh and your and your your other brother went too or only you? At the time only I Okay. My the middle brother who unfortunately passed away last year the age of 96. He uh he did came in he came in 58. Oh, he came cuz he heard how how much you liked it. I don't No, I don't know. I can't say that. Okay. When you came here, tell me your experience. When I came that you met your wife. Not later. It's bit late. Later I when I came When I came it was 51. 1951 you came. Yes. February 51. Okay. That's like when you were 30 uh 31 years old. 21. 21. Sorry. 21. 21. I came when I was 21. It took going via Europe and via Italy. You couldn't by boat. Of course. There's no other way, right? There's no other way. Anyway, uh and you and you and you came with the with the kavana with the intent of staying. I came with the camera. Let's see. Let's see. Okay. Continue, please. And uh I uh you came here. I came here. And there was poverty all over. Big poverty. I was I was met by a by Mosha Oman whose friend Isra was was my age but he moan was an older person two four years two or three years older something else he met me at the boat. How did you know him from Germany? In Bora Park. Oh, in Boro Park. In Boro Park. He had come from Bor Park. Okay. Omen. O Men. Omen. Okay. O. Oh, the professor. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Jerry. Not Jerry. Johnny. A U M. He he was he he was um a brother was a rabbi for the Flatbush at the Flatbush Jewish Center. No, he was not a rabbi. But he or was he the one that became the PhD and the scientist who won the Nobel Prize? Yes, that was my friend. That's my that's my Is he still alive? He's still alive. Yes, he's live and kicking. Barashev. Yes. Okay. So, his name is known. Not at the time. It was not. No, of course not. Anyway, so he greeted you his brother. His brother who you knew from Burough Park. So I said I I said look we don't go straight to Jerusaleine. That was at the time a very difficult trip. We go via Tel. You had to go via Tel Aviv. And let's let me stop at the I knew of the a cousin of my father who was a doctor who lived in Tel Aviv. Uh we had to go there. We had to pass by there actually say let's go in for say hello. I give him my so to speak my greetings and then we can go on. Well uh uh when I introduced myself and so forth and he said okay so you don't go to US and he said stay here for a few days you had a difficult trip for so long stay here anyway I want to say to to make people understand what's doing he said stay and I stayed with till the very day I married which was when which was I'm speaking about I came in 19 February 51 I married in 54 and I stayed with him all that time from 51 to 54 despite the fact that the time he and his wife were that there in that department Two daughters were in that apartment. His son had married had gone to hypford to study technology. When the one of the daughters married while I was there, she got an apartment that had not much money. He was a doctor already for 17 years with with very important for very important people. the doctor they were able to attend for for the daughter an apartment with what is called Mashutaf [Music] Tibburi a kitchen or or something which was connected to what section of Tel Aviv were you was he dies in street that's right next to my daughter my daughter's at ebbitson around there and and uh when when the next daughter was to get married and I was still there. The next daughter was get married. Uh they moved from their their bedroom to where they had eaten and gave that daughter that their room. That daughter even gave birth in that place and I was still there. Wow. that I want to say to that that was Dr. That's that nobody can surpass right now. Let's for a minute uh talk about how you met your husband. Would you like to say a few words? You give your your husband's been speaking the whole time. What is your first name? What's your first name? What you did? You did. Please. How did you beat your husband? Don't worry. Don't be shy. Come on. Tell the truth. Look, look at the camera, please. Go ahead. There was a boy there, younger than me, but the one who went to Kifa who came to Betsy when he wanted to smoo with some girls. He came to where? Betsy, which was next to it. Okay. I was a Madria there and I lived there and He was telling all the time he has got a bend who is something special. At the end we saw this special bendot in in some evening or something in Tel Aviv in Tel Aviv and this you know introduced us and the friend which I was going with said let's go home quickly otherwise he's going to take us home and Somebody who says whatever he thinks and is much more intelligent than the others and much more knowing and not afraid of saying what he thinks and gone with the in ter because they didn't want anything. So I went home and he did take me home but since then he did sometimes. So um you married in 1954 now you you you you're from Germany too. You from where are you? I'm from K. My father is from Vienna. Uhhuh. Then when did you come to this country? My father was loyalist. Not loyal. Why you say loyal? Because he was friendly with author of Lita because he was he was the first one to run away. Yes. And he got a job at Lithuania as a wolf. And the half of this shul was automatically the representative of our Jews of in which city in this is in Vienna. No, we were I was born in K. He was in the seminar of Kalabach was not permitted to say a word about M R. So he promised and he didn't say anything in the morning but in the afternoon there were always students in our place of Palestina poor mash Hitler whatever Hitler says he's going to do if he gets the chance he was called hysterical which he was Russian because quite a few people one of them told me before because of your father, I'm here. He threw us out from Germany. Personal relationship with all the great people of Lithuania. What do we call the Braonimiser Guranski? You don't know the names. Sher and Mov Sher's father was the mahan. Yeah. And we were good friends with the father of of the girl who married the lake. What? What was it? Baron Cutler. Cutler. His wife was uh his wife was um no a Risha Friedman Risha Freriedman which I played played ball with. Oh yeah and my brother also and where where where in in Lita where living across the street in what city? What city? They would touch our in me. No melida in mel. Yes. Okay. And loa was married to son of s or sana. Yes. His wife was a sister to to Rishel. Yeah. And Shulame is my mother said she she she we wanted to adopt her when she came but the Sheron didn't permit that and she is a wife of W of of who? Viper of Vulper in Anto they have a huh I don't know and okay whatever I found out personally was m big more than but you thought that everybody has to get out this is we'll see later what is. Yes. And there was quite a few were born in who thought so and also those who take them to China. Shanghai. Yeah. Shanghai. The others were afraid that you would become a religious with what I mean my class in a religious school when people sent there also if they weren't religious. Arinstein went there. He should be my father was a moral teacher of Arinstein. That's Oh yeah. Yeah. And um Adish Steiner went his uncle told his father let him be in but not in right and so those people were in my class also and 90% were illiters. By the way, five boys fell in the 48. I just wanted to say something before you can take it off and um that he was at Dr. L that was done with everybody. He was a doctor what he he was he was living till he married. Yeah. But in my house there were always a cousin or whoever came from the war or right who didn't okay but he was saying was three years 51 to 54 and you have two daughters that are marrying yeah it's not not a contra I understand I understand that was the usual thing okay one Second.