Hechaltzu chptr 3b- Extremism is Chaos, Kotzk, Strife, Midyan is Baseless Hate- RC Dalfin

So good day. We're learning from the Rashab. We're in the middle of Peric Schlishi 3. We're at the part in uh in the lessons we're on page 17. Um this would be Hel I guess right in the middle of that chapter after he speaks about the difference between Yakov and Asov. Yakov said yes coy and Asov said yes. Both intended to say the same thing. We have a lots of possessions. So the based on and explained that there's a a vast difference between the two. Yet the word coil is comes from word is scalalut inclusiveness. RV comes from the word reva argumentation and division. Yakov which is matikin expresses the same idea but through inclusiveness as which looks at the same idea looks at it in a way of fragmentation. This is the general difference between the world of tikun and the world of tyu. The world of chaos chaos is not that chaos is missing any of the elements i.e. the it's all there except each one is a as we say in it's an entity of its own. In other words, I am this is who I am. This is my definition and this is who I am not. Soass says it about says it about and Rahman says it about Rahman. Well, you can't live in peace this way and you know very well here in your work if you don't compromise you have a breakup. Yes. What you want to say? >> So the implication being that those those are they don't have the capacity to join with one another. >> Correct. Correct. That's very you use the right word. They don't have the capacity. It's a very very good choice of a word. It's not in a sense they don't want to. They don't have the capacity. Just talking to Isra about this trip to Adereba and I asked him if he's bring any of his kids. He says, "I travel better without without anyone. We just sometimes don't have the capacity." And it's and and by the way, you know, you could look at it as a flaw and you could look at it this is who I am. I you know I have to work on myself to be better and but right now this is who I am recognizing my weaknesses and my my strengths and my weaknesses just recognizing the weaknesses without the strengths are negative and the weak and the strengths without the weaknesses is surely a negative anyway getting back to the text so getting back to the idea here so to doesn't have the capacity why not because each one is a yesesh you hear that each one is a yesesh the which is the world of correctness, healthiness, wholesomeness. It's where you deflate the ego and you're able to live with each other and and at times that means a compromise etc etc. So that's why Jacob says yes coy they have a lot and you know really if you have a lot each one could go in a different direction but somehow we bring them together and as says I have a lot a multitude but each one is argumentative and divisive and this you have to remember this this because we're going to go we're going to go now into some deep but it's all predicated on this and this point. So don't that's why I spent extra time on it. Don't don't lose sight of this as we go through the now the rest of the text. I want you to turn now there we're holding um again if you have the lessons in Tanya lessons in it's page 17 the last line on the Hebrew side. Um I mean on the in the Hebrew above the the words and then the other ones it's the middle of the mind but I don't know what page says that but this concept of Jacob if in inclusiveness or or exclusiveness is also true in in of they were what calls separate branches. Each branch was a branch of its own. The emotions the attributes of chaos could not tolerate one the other each other. said, "I'm only about love. I'm only about kindness. There is no room for discipline." Says, "Hey, it's only about discipline. Can't tolerate." Therefore, what does it say about those four kings talking about embraces, right? They reigned and they died. In other words, they shattered. They broke. Like I said to Hill earlier, in a relationship, if one partner is not willing to compromise with the other one and it's only their way or the highway, it's a disaster. You could you could it's a disaster in the relationship whether they divorce, they don't divorce, you know, it it's just a disaster. And the same is true with employee employers and parents and children and grandparents of bit and all in a rabbi congregants you have to learn how to tolerate each other how to work with each other how to understand the other one's side and it's very hard because the kudsker I always repeat the ver of the holy kutsker and they you know the kudka was a what they would call a fanatic a radical a radical so they say to the kutsker your your your approach of being a radical for in in Judaism. It's just not for the average man. No, people can't handle it. So what did the Kutska say? The Kutska said and and and they said that writes in is that a person should take the middle approach, right? Mosa, the balanced approach. The balanced approach is a little to the right, a little to the left, a little kiss, a little push, you know, and that's the game that we play. says the Kutsker, those people that walk in the middle of the road like you're suggesting are similar to a horse. A horse walks down in the middle of the road. You want to be a horse, no problem. But that was that was the Kusker. And by the way, you see that the Kutskita didn't last. It's not just that it didn't last because they were wiped out in the Holocaust. That's not why it didn't last. It didn't last because it's too harsh. And and the Ger the Ger if you study the Geridus theidism they the the basis right he was he tried to follow more in the Kutsker's way. His father the Imrais wasn't that way. I'm just finishing writing something about Kabar and Yakis and the Imra was for having secular studies secular studies where others weren't. So he he was more compromising for whatever reason. But his son the basis who by the way owned the house where Mayonaut used to be on David I think number 13 if my memory serves me well in >> there anymore. I think you a couple of years ago. >> Yeah. They they left. They bought they they bought a building right off of Griasu uh on the main road on you know and a big big building they just opened it last few months or half a year. Anyway, let's let's stay to the topic please. So, so um so the cuts, so the basis he was very rigid and especially when it came to uh Tahara issues, sexual issues, okay? And um I have a hard time with it. I don't but I but who am I? But based on my research and my discussion with professor Benjamin Brown of Barry Lan uh who wrote whole work on it and had some serious discussions with him you know it's it's it's acade academically sure does there's a lot of questions but you know going into uh students rooms and checking you know what's going on excuse me in their underwear um you know I don't mean it maybe kipu But not kiput is also you know like hey but this was something that the basis was like upset again I'm going to use a word which I show to use it on sadic but he was obsessed with okay and and let everyone decide for their own but he was the last so he took an approach of of of in this area of of the what's it called of the kutsker but guess what it didn't last cuz the next generation and now for sure things seems Then they they they went away from it and so too in the way the style of learning today's gba before the split with scholar um he he um he what's the word he changed the style of learning in the Gary yeshivas to less rigorous analysis Okay. He brought in more the gears, cover more ground which in which in a sense is also like removing yourself from the from the intensity and the passion of a tyus like you know learning a piece without and rashi without it from the perspective of the real scholars and the real learning let's say brisk and others and not even it's like you you haven't learned. You don't know what you're talking about unless and that's just now imagine the and the so they went away from that again don't take my words you know literally but I'm saying I'm giving you a general picture so the when we learn here in the in here about to you could say that the method of the katskar was toou Okay. It doesn't last. It's too strong. It's too strong. In other words, the cuts could be right. There's no room for gray. It's only black or white. You're either plugged in or you're not plugged in and decide what you want to be. I'm thinking about this this morning because I'm about to make a um a podcast uh a short podcast on a program that's been online for a while. I'm not going to reveal to you what I'm talking about unless till you till I make it and you see it, if you decide to see it. But there is this there is this there we we we we I don't want to use the word suffer but we we have a lot of um mediocracy today online compromise loveydovey stuff and I understand where they're coming from you know at the same time it needs to be clear this it needs to be clear the ground rules rules need to be clear. Then you decide you want to be loveydovey, you want to be consiliatory, you want to be apologetic, you want to be an extremist. Everyone that's the Hashem gave every one of us free will. But when when when a message goes out that's confusing, especially for young people, the new generation, we're all relatively speaking old geysers already, right? But for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren, what message do you want them to know? Do you want them to know that this this long beard that's never been, excuse the expression, combed is the truth or no, this is not the truth. And everyone can decide in their own life if that is if if that's a truth to them. Right? But when when when when all of a sudden ideas foreign to traditional Messiah Yiddish and every Kahila has their Messiah, you know, the Yakis is have I'm into Yakis these last few weeks. They have their Messiah. It's a very different Messiah than our Messiah. A very different messiah, but it's a true Messiah. And when the yeas saw people breaking for their bizer, I was reading about Robert Schwab of Washington Heights. Wow. He was so fanatical. He was so from he was so he he and you couldn't change and God bless him. He stood up for the yakim messiah. So you know but when things get confused and right is left and left is right and do what you want and how do I feel this morning that's a problem that's all I'm saying so the midas of tou were of such nature the word that hill used before they didn't have the capacity but by the way hill they they didn't have the capacity because they in in see like From the perspective of God, Hashem created to the way to was created, right? Let me ask you, the earth wasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa chaos and void. I'm asking you a question. Did the earth choose to be chaotic and void? Did the earth choose to be chaotic and void? When you read Israas, no, the earth didn't choose. God made the earth at that time chaotic and void. That's from that's the but when we talk about it in our lives we make a choice. We make a choice. We make a choice. Now again you know whether you could we could prove that it's nature or nurture that's a whole other discussion. I don't know. You know sometimes it it from kazal it implies one way the way I see it sometimes other way but generally we make a choice we make a choice. Yes. >> Delvin, can you give a when you talk about Kotk Katsk being uh anchored in Toho, you give an example? Can you give an example when you say besides the fact it perished in in in in in the war but can you give an example of something >> like you mentioned like why why why didn't it why didn't it continue what what what can example >> why didn't it okay so you have an example >> not so much a specific example but the stories that are Hope will give you an idea that you know that Katskar isolated himself in his room for many years. Every once in a while he would come out and he would come out and start yelling and calling the people who are learning in the base of Medus Shakran and you're liars and you're fooling yourselves and they would run. They would run because he's screaming at them and then he'd go back into his room. How do you sustain that? They were attracted to him because they were attracted to the der of truth and they wanted that purity but then they got hit full force and and they couldn't take it. >> Mhm. >> Is that satisfactory? Musha, are you looking for something more? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very very. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I if someone did I mean I I would run anybody that any anybody that I ever experienced any person who was like had experience like I've had experiences maybe with someone like that or people with like like that before >> and like I completely ran the other way. I experienced it as a younger man of 23 came from 770 got married went out to Marin County California which you know what that means okay and had a group some Balichua some coming Balichua and others I told you this once but maybe more than once but just remind me this point and one of them was standing on with his feet like is now in it says you're supposed to stand like this with your feet right down. What did I do? I noticed that and and I quietly everyone's name and I guess I had finished. I just with my with my foot I gave a little tap on his foot to put them together. after Davening did he chew me out and I realized, you know, I was coming from a good place. I really was. But this person didn't know the He's coming from possibly LSD or Woodstock. I mean, he's coming from a different world. Okay? He's not coming from Kim Dolphins's narrowminded Brooklyn 770 world. He ain't. He's coming from a different perspective. That was a clash. A cl right. It didn't work, Mosa. It It didn't work. Of course, I and I apologized and and we became good friends and happily ever after. You know what I'm saying? So that's it. To me, that's an you know, it's a toy. It it's it you know it's a to that person what I did was tell you now if I would have done this to a contemporary mind from my in yes yeshiva he wouldn't react that way cuz he unders would understand what I did and in fact he would thank me for reminding him let's go back to the text okay and now he says says the kadua. So after he says that's why it says in the Tory regarding the the kings they reigned they were in full force but they died they seized that's what that's what led me to tell you about the Kutska reigned and it ended the ended says as is known this is the concept what's brought in the cabala the shattering of the vessels okay that's the acronym >> okay from this came about the divisiveness, the separation caused by the negative forces of Kipa and the other side. They're saying in Kipus and this is what we mean when we talk about the the husk the the negative force called it is strife and argumentation or divisiveness causing separation. You know there's an argument shay again I repeat what I heard from the reb once by I'll never forget it till the last day of my life the said once disagreements are healthy is negative okay we have to learn how to disagree and be happy about a disagreement there's nothing wrong to disagree what hill what Does the word makus like? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Never made that connection. >> Right. So, so the Reb said, you know, disagreement. Okay. You see it this way cuz he did it. I'm your best friend. You know, and trust me, I I'm sure you guys have I have friends and we have com, you know, we we dial in common and we disagree and we're best friends. But when we talk about mother in Umariva that it gets to a point where I hate you. I don't like you because your shittita is different. Therefore, I hate you. You could say I hate the shittita. And even that you shouldn't say I don't I don't agree with the shittita. I don't agree with the shittita. I vehemently disagree with the shittita. But to go and say you that that that and that's what Clipus Migon is about. Clipus Migon took the the argumentation of disagreeing and turned it into a personal agenda where I hate the Jews. Okay. freedom. This is a cause that came from the general falling down of the sparks from the world of of next page. The mid were separate. So now the Reb says another point. Therefore the mid if you look at the seven nations right the seven nations we say it every day over there is not counted why not it's it's a nation that fought the Jews says but they're not counted why the seven nations look etc Hahazian midish platis they represent the seven specific negative traits. Yes sir. If my recollection is correct I believe the nom brings down that there are three other nations that will be conquered in the times of Msiah or after Messiah and that will complete the 10 so to representative of the but is not one of them. I think that's not not mig check it out. So the says here why isn't considered one of the seven because the seven we talk about seven specific individual details when expressing another specific aspect of void and chaos. Kanani hear that kanani is the negative force of too much kindness is very bad no good too much discipline too strict etc. The next acronym hill is Kahilos Yakov Kud is a a famous safer on I forget the author now Yakov I believe each of the seven nations represents another one of the seven negative energies of and they oppose the seven positive qualities of but is other is different it's not one of the specific ones it's the overall idea of chaos in other words there is specific chaotic approaches and then there is Hey, you're you're just all over the place without you know pointing to in this area and that area totally you're floating somewhere. you're chaotic which is the general idea that your mindset is separation and divisiveness without getting into this detail and divisive and that detail you know like you have sometimes a person you know he used to say in a Yiddish Mosha capo my my grandparents from the po I don't know why mohap capo I thought I think means opposite you say right left black white yes no whatever I say right away you're going to say the opposite right and that that's to chaos the element of chaos is greater than the details of chaos you're in a chaotic mindset okay this The idea of toyo that was separate separate branches and this is why there was the shattering of page 23. It's the progress progression of the seven evil traits bad traits whom you come as a result because of the general separation divisiveness and strife that wasn't this is the general reason for it because this is why it caused the shattering of the vessels. This is the clip of Midian below here on earth. Therefore, they're not considered part of the seven specific nations because you can't identify as any of of any of the of the specific again he repeats the same point. It's the general idea of of of chaos and separation. This is the source of of the clip in the idea of of of of you know it's interesting he doesn't use this word in the chapter only in the kiter. And this is why when ab when oneb is when they wrote a kiter this is this is their kiter this isn't in Englisher it's very specific in other words you won't find this word in the the synopsis of the chapter should just say the words of the chapter no that's why aer has to be learned when a rebba writes a kiter the he he he he chooses very specifically and what does he do here the way I see it is he's kind of wrapping this into a very practical thing which is sin and baseless hatred. In other words, we're talking about we're talking about the the all these ideas. He says you know how that expresses itself and baseless hatred which is the theme of this mimer as he goes on to really get into it later in the mimer. What? Just one second. Just one second. Um the Zionis the seven nations correspond to the seven zidis the seven specific u negative traits yet what >> I'm just curious I haven't gone far up ahead does he also explore in here the relationship between the kipa of Midian and the and the kip of Moab you know the the whole story of Moab and the and then the relationship between the two nations sort of takes on a new a new perspective with what we're learning here. >> I believe only only in the beginning if if you if you weren't here maybe one or two classes but if you go through the the I think chapter 2 speaks a little bit about Moab but I I don't believe uh later we'll have more more about that. Um the whole idea is that okay Midian and Moav I mean this is really textual in the Mafarian who was the one that brought the idea that to get the the girls the women to seduce the the Jewish men it came from it it seemly came from Mig not mo and that's why Hashem says >> right but it was >> it was bum okay so this has to be looked at but I think it's more than a You know, it's not has to do the the Rash does touch on it, but you know what I'm saying? You really need to really have a good understanding of how the see it. We'll see everyone tomorrow. Good class. Have a great day. Say, take care. Bye-bye.