Essence of Chasidus #10- Is Neo-Chasidism positive? Besht's reply to Mashiach

so i thought that before we we actually continue i should address briefly what is there asked about yesterday [Music] yes sir because we're learning about siddhas the essence of siddhis so this is this is a a a an essay a thesis about what the essence of of a subject matter is what the essence of a lifestyle is so the question that he asked was there are what's called there is what's called today neo khasidism neocha citizen is not the neocha citizen of the 1960s and 70s the neocythicism of of those years was headed directed by certain individuals including including zalman schechter we're not talking about that today we're talking about from people orthodox people srimati who were raised orthodox from without hasidis and they gravitate towards certain aspects of hasidism particularly the emotional part of hasidism and this gives them a an interest in in in being comfortable in a hasidic atmosphere environment so you'll find people who identify with this lifestyle and mindset you'll find him in let's say the staliner school carleen stolen you know i've noticed that whether it's in russia lion or here in in borough park for their big gigas for their big celebrations whether it be lag boymer or simchristaira they attract others non carleen and some of them are from the group that you would call me the kassidism as i said yesterday i don't know if he's the number one attraction but it could be he is uh rabbi misha weinberger may be well who's a a real real special yeah he has done wonders for for for so many people i i can't tell you you know uh you guys live you know and you're sure there you have people who have been touched by him and um it's amazing so he attracted a lot of those people too so the question is is a if if if hasidis whatever qasim says breslav khabad boston supper bells whatever has a certain mahouse has a certain essence and the essence is not just dancing and singing but it's learning the hasidis of that rabbit of that sheetah etc of course to learn other other other others too but the point is to get into the mahouse the essence just uh you know dancing all night it's it's very nice but is is is is that is that is that uh important and good did i did i uh answer uh phrase your question correctly or not and if i didn't please do so um i think so but there's a nuance to it which is um we're learning deep and we're learning as you said mahouse and i think that a lot of people perhaps in the the neo-acidic movement those who are attracted they're not learning they're being attracted by the external trappings of the friendliness and the warmth which is all good i'm not i'm not saying that's bad but is it somehow misleading or is it a dead end or does this really open the door so good okay so that's the question so i'm going to answer the question with someone who's sitting at the shear now or have my ship wrong and maisha don't be insulted by what i say and if you're insulted i'll ask for forgiveness so maisha moisture moisture has been laboratory for many years but ask him when did he really start learning delving into this deeply i think he'll say since we started this year that's when his his his understanding of siddhis is at a whole different level right it's not just reading an english text it's not just sitting in a sheer it's really what we've been doing for five years and continue to do where this is this is real real learning this is yeshiva learning of siddhas and not yeshiva learning you know and about the truth of yeshiva that they don't they're beginners this is like i i learned to yeshiva instead of in hebrew and yiddish it was in english it's in english right so it takes time for a person to delve into things that could be practical reasons there are time energy money family anxieties there's all kinds of reasons so my my conclusion and very briefly is that it's definitely a good thing to to to join a group even if it's shaloli shma in the beginning because shalom what's the taj that the rebel always quoted literally means that from ishmael you'll come to learn tara leshma a deeper meaning is that within the shema in that itself there is rishma wait a minute i'm learning like like jesus said i i i'm coming there because of the the excitement the dancing the the high the feeling that's right but what you're getting is teresa of al-shamdev if you're getting terrorism and a person like robert weinberg or someone else who are themselves look at their life look at the how they behave look at what they teach what they say they're living the belgentive to the best of their ability so so when when someone comes there and and dances and then sings and cries and and eats chunks and all that you know it's fine it's fine as long as there is they're made aware there's much more and it's the same thing i would say like with a convert and that ever said this over and over and it's a halacha when a when a convert says i would like to convert to judaism the first thing we do is say why would you want to do such a crazy thing 613 mitzvahs thousands of thousands of details this is really not the why do you need this and the convert shows you that he feels or she feels something inside that really talks to them and this is what they want so then you tell them okay but remember i know that you don't know yet an aleph you don't know a big you're a beginner but there's 613 mitzvahs that one day with god's help you will be obligated to fulfill so although the person now is just a beginner you tell him at the beginning so there's no surprises that the 613 misses and on about this there's a big hiluki deus in the balthrova world which i'm sure you guys know in other words when a beginner comes to you to either to judaism or the khasidism you know do you do you do do you give him the whole story uh with all the schmaltz and all the details some argue no you don't do that because it's too heavy for them and i think if each and every one of us in our lives will be serious and think to ourselves i think we'll understand both sides well then understand both sides and and and you know it's it's easy to to criticize you know which i've heard in the chabad world oh they are balichuva from from asia torah that they were never asked to put on trillion for ten years five years ten years that that argument i i'm sure you've heard this i've heard it okay and no on one hand that's that's a strong argument i mean the guy and just recently someone said they were in in the yeshiva nation and they were there for months and no one asked them to put on twitter now is is that right is that wrong that depends on your philosophy you know from a khabar hasidic perspective i would say that's not the philosopher for sure you know because each mitzvah individually connects you so even if you don't understand yet you don't have belief in what in god and and other misfits and other things nevertheless by putting on the film itself it binds you no are you going to say that rabbi weinberg over sholem and then asia turret doesn't believe that of course they believe it but the question is the emphasis you understand and the question is whether the you know pushing the button is going to alienate them and they'll walk out of yeshiva and you lost them and they and these are the differences between the baltic shiva yeshivas and the same is true with the hasidic movement and that was the argument then between the the literature rabbi and rabbi weinberger and that was the argument whether is it better i believe it's almost it's like what you're asking it's better to do this or that and i i will i would side with robert weinberger that it's better to to to get them to get involved with neochassidism and uh hopefully with the right mashpir rav friend hadraja direction that you end up in in a better place that's my answer yes jonasson yeah uh that my course oliver solomon used to go to williamsburg many many times to teach the hashtags without a being yes it was really really unbelievable when i couldn't make it that even even if these people you know they don't learn custody eventually customers okay so you you you you you feel you're you're siding with the answering the question you're saying that it's better to to to to do the neoclassicism and then i i one more point and i want to go back to the the mimer to the uh the countries that especially today especially in today's world i don't think it's even a question it really is not a question and the proof is that in the literature world there's so many people in one way the other are learning cities that maybe not calling it hasidahs but they're learning learnings they're teaching us this i remember years ago in in in the 90s when i lived in los angeles there was a young israel in in pico robertson's section of los angeles and uh i remember uh a rabbi a a little shiraba young is a rabbi was teaching schwarz night and and and he was teaching about mountain torah and it was based on on on on citiz it's no longer you know uh a teaching that's relegated just to sydney which is exactly what the belshantov said and wanted so many years ago so i can understand the the fear the same fear the people had with art scroll the same fear they had with uh with rubbish stein's else's gamoras and the whole idea how can you how could you water down gemura to to to an art scroll in the stein's alts come on it takes away the entire essence of of diligence and in working out a piece of gemara and how we spent hours with rebbies and belonged them doing that and and it created the booker who knew how to learn a text and just reading the art scroll in hebrew or english takes that away and there and there's something to it trust me there is because i i know the way i learned when i was a bucker and it was a lot of hard work and it took a while to master it and to to understand it and then there is take out any art school gomorrah or schneiderlin it's it's right it's so clear and so in front of you no effort very little effort but the flip side is look how many thousands and thousands maybe millions of more people are learning gemura so if you want to keep to the hardcore tradition of of learning a piece of gemara the way they learned it in slovakia in europe or in vladimir or in the babbage do it but that's not the world we're today it's just not it it the facts are people are need need quick answers easy answers and that's that's the way it is so there are times like an hour shear we spent a half an hour in in you know in in in diagnosing and going slow okay but you know if if you want an inspirational uh shear to just to get some inspiration and you don't want to be medic in the words you don't want to spend time on this word and that word and rather they should play simpson and mama and savage and osmos and spherus and and gofura this is not a shear for you you know they you know you know go to what russia no no problem the trick is to be able to bring siddhis into all environments in a way that people want to learn more i remember once again i remember when i was about you guys in in batshemish and rabbi melinda with silver show them invited me to teach tanya in his in his shoe which i did once a week and i had between five to ten people coming and they're friends of yours because i think many of them were from asia age code from history and and and they they were eager to come i saw my own eyes and these these weren't you know hardcore lit but you're saying they were eager to learn siddhis and we went slow and and and some of them were yeshiva bacharam before they beca you know they were from from birth and they went to to climb bolin or turvedas and now the nerds is thrown they want to learn citizens they want to understand what citizens so this is our job you know it it's and there's not enough of this in khaba there's not enough of this there are more habaneros putting up buildings and putting on filling with people and having social you know friendship circles which is all necessary and very good but i would like to see many more and make sides in in other shulls and yeshivas and and and there's not enough of that so the french rabbi by um of the chabad shul and i was there one shabbos they asked me to come to the fabric to talk i forget and and and he said to everybody you all have to learn from rabbi dolphin he's a visitor here in bethchamish and he's already teaching tanya in rabbi malone and linda with shul and the rabbi invited him that's what we need to do for us to sit here in our little group okay very nice and ash the babbage's need that's no question about it yes maisha go ahead yeah i mean i i have a huge amount to say on this everything we're talking about and i think it's very important though to at the end of the day i think to break up with what i see is sort of two different almost two different categories one is again this is just my opinion but from what i've seen my experience but one is we're talking about like neo hasidis like people like you know the people who are inspired by rabbi moshe weinberger and others in this of a similar sort of style genre you know there are so many people so so many people who are looking who need warmth who need you know just more inspiration and um you also have i think a whole another group which i would call was we know because we know it's not what i would we know is mayan israel like we haven't even like that that hasn't been we that hasn't come up yet during the discussion right now but mine is people who are from other hasidim they're already bob of south more some or whatever you show me down here in bed wherever all over the world who who like who on the outside looked like the the extra the kidzone is the external clothing and so forth and maybe certain hug him of their particular group but inside they have been learning and many of them consider themselves to be like laboratories so i see as a very but the reason i'm bringing both these these things up is because i think there's a very very big difference between the two i think one is the former or just it could be anybody who was looking for some inspiration everybody needs inspiration obviously but people who are able to tap into something that's where they are that's where they're at everybody's holding in a different place then you have i think a time when a person makes a conscious decision and intellectually we'll call it uh i'll use this the term like intellectual honesty in terms of just with themselves like what is really really like once but like they want to dig deeper and they're making it this conscious decision like in the people minus role that this is something that they want to connect to and it they want to connect it because it's giving them highest and they want to like they want to like you know like okay let's get going with it motion my my question was really in a different direction and and like for example i've been to places where there's a tremendous amount of singing going on there's a tremendous amount of dancing going on on a show this morning but i i i was left with the feeling that there was no tophill going on i was dancing and singing and it wasn't to philip i've been to homes of people who no one in their right mind would describe as being close to a hasidic lifestyle to a facility they they're well to do they have whatever connections they'll invite a rabbit to come in and they'll make a very beautiful spread with the charcuterie board and every top line bourbon and these are people who the farhasya are not even like holding the halacha what we would consider you know normative and and they're like oh you know we're having a rabbit come like start inside like what am i doing right so so i think it takes and this is this is a criticism with my humble opinion this is i think a criticism that i have that like for example like this past shabbos in ish kodesh there was a big bar mitzvah right and there's a big kiddush and it's just like when you have a simple like that there's like 100 there's literally like i was like between the men and the women i know there's probably at least 400 people in the building at least but to be kiddish the men and me in my like role i'm sort of like moving around talking different people maybe making sure that this is here this is there trying to get people i'm close to trying to get them alichayam okay but then towards the end i pulled over one of my friends who is dafnka who travels back and forth he's from ashkota she's very close to robin mosher weinberger as a matter of fact the last when i was back in the states back in november i flew into new york and i spent some time with my friend and he took me to ash kurdish to davinder and and then i took him we went to the oil together anyway i just pulled him aside i said come here come here come here i want to make lakayam with you come sit down so we sat down at the table in the back in the show still people going you know that's going around we started to talk and then another friend came over who also is from asia kurdish and woodmere okay he also happens to travel back and forth and he sat down and then and then another then another three or four guys of the chevra came and sat down one time and then before you knew it we had a forbringing going on in the middle of this big kiddush and i tried to share something with with with them just my own thought and on the parish et cetera but with like but with the something that's based and not not because i'm trying to preach god forbid but just trying to share because i know people are going to connect with it and and and everything everybody's going through and their stage of life and when the point i'm getting at is that it was this impromptu for brain and it was fantastic it was fantastic right right okay okay but what does it have to do with what he said what it has to do is i think that it's important that people if if you know aleph like the rabbit said if you know allah you teach aleph if you know base you teach base right and you have to look at where people are holding and and i think that if if things are communicated towards the hasidis communicates people in hope intelligent thoughtful considered considerate way and the person who's speaking is hopefully setting an example i i think that that's i think that that's i guess what i'm trying to say is i think that that's a way because in other words because like what yester is saying is like like like what's going on with all like the heatsonias but inside like are they connecting to something so i'm saying okay so then look at where a person is look at who the person is you're talking to and find a way to connect with them find something to share and and and so issa when when when you go to these events and you feel you see that you could go to the host if if you know the host if not i'm not holding by that level usually what happens is i feel i feel more of a revulsion and i leave i'm not holding by a high level you know you don't have to be at a high level what's what's a high level to to extend yourself to someone who you see is uh you know you know wealthy and and and he likes a rebbe so there's an opening to say let's learn some casitas let's you know what or what does a rebel mean to you to me let's talk in other words that's an opening to to engage in conversation in conversation i mean obviously a conversation that you're comfortable with but to feel um and i understand i i i really understand the feeling angry circles to feel no circles let's see these are not the people in my social circle that i'm gonna go up and start a conversation i mean again i'm this is my own concern but but to go to they have i'm sure in your in your past in life you have met such yeah graphics yes yes yes yes and i and i know and i know the feeling i used to go in los angeles when i was a booker in in in yeshiva in in early 80s to speak in a show i think i told you this was one of hungarians this was like i mean i couldn't get a word in and they were talking throughout the happening i mean it was it was so disgusting it was crazy and yet they threw and they threw such a kid ish and it's like what you come here for and these guys are all from from these from you know brooklyn transplants los angeles and and you know the drinking of the scotch and all that and and like but that was the situation and i endeavored to get words of this in and and and you do your best so yes there is situations when people are very difficult and the situation is difficult but i'll tell you something i i see i i just see it there was a rabbi who came to borrow parque laboratory oh and it was a vibranium and all of a sudden a group of nala barbitur young married your business guys come for them why because he they hang out with him they for praying with him there's a whole culture today that that and though and and and those that are more serious get more involved in this learning so it's it's not to be discouraged it's it's to it's to it's to somehow find a way of you know for example if you know there's going to be such an event and and the host or someone is close you're close to them ask them can i say avert for two minutes can i can i say a verb for two minutes two minutes i remember when i spoke in in in in in yemenis in the show and the kyle bush show there the beginning the first time you know they didn't they didn't know me you know they they you know so so only only five minutes you got five minutes the next time they asked me to speak for 10 minutes which because i said they liked what i said you know but that's the way it is you know you got five minutes you know like where you rushing no five minutes okay so i packed it in quick oh we really like what you said so then let me talk ten minutes okay have it let's go back to the text i want to finish note 32 i know it's 8 15. give me a few minutes so no 32 because it's an important well meshiach was asked by the basham that when are you coming he said when they'll be disseminated the next paragraph next the rebel center recorded this in this incident this is recorded in the well-known letter described in his souls ascension on high on resha shanna 5507 the letter is printed at the end of ben porat josef and in a book of letters by the belgentive and his students printed in level in 1923 when the publisher notes that he copied the letter from the one written by rabbi hill the bashams of son-in-law and signed by the bel-shemptiv it is also printed in ginseng start-up etc and in part in the beginning of qatar he got it the the the previous rapper he explains the percentage question and mashiach's answer according to siddhis the prashantiv asked master when are you coming it should be it would it would seem 34 page 34 in the note that this was an unwarranted question consider consider the following explicit episode to be sure bellavi asked this question of elio the prophet and was told that there to ask bashir himself but shia replied was today i'm coming today returned bitterly depressed twilio who explained this answer meant today if you will listen to my voice that is mashiach could come only when israel listened to the voice of hashem with such an explicit reply in the talmud why did the prashantiv again ask the question master when are you coming it's crystal clear from the talmud third paragraph is the moishra bane of the entire school of hasidis here for he has was chosen by hashem to be the one through whom the teaching of khasidis at large were revealed similar to masha the asham was a shepherd of israel who had concerned forever who was concerned for even for the least of his flock known for his great love for all of israel could find virtue in every single yid and in every mystery he could perceive the true radiance within he witnessed the great self-sacrifice of his fellow eden the pain which they were suffering in gullus and exile the splendor of all their mitzvahs and thus the way in which they were listening to hashem's voice and so his soul ascended on high and visited the heavenly palace of bashir had asked master when are you coming in response mashiach told the bashem when your wealth springs will be disseminated abroad um quoting the the the michele comments you will ultimately acquire disciples and give forth instruction publicly and your name will be renowned see this explains the term wellsprings the space required by a wellspring is but signo and restricted its waters trickle forth by drops a river in contrast covers considerable length and breadth and ha and its abundant waters flow turbulently from its place of origin to the outside hutzah you asked that word yesterday is to places which are not even fit for it likewise siddhis has to spread abroad and become so popular and widespread that everyone should be able to know the belgent's teaching and be familiar with godly understanding including parties where it's all about the booze and the camaraderie you said have a great day everyone thanks everyone tomorrow take care you