Devout Atheist: Hug him and he'll be a devout believer in G-d's Torah - Pegisha 1970s - RC Dalfin

let's get right to the uh beginning where the AL starts explaining about gem which means the simum because we've already spent two sh explaining the the uh the the influence of energy the giving which is all included in the name yut V now we're going to talk about and and the verse says the AL says this is chapter 4 learning of page he talks about he brings the for the sun and the shield of the sun is God your God God it's a very enamic verse I mean what does it mean you know and number two what's the comparison so the AL explains here in this chapter the comparison that sheem the Sun the the sun globe is like Hashem and elim is the the the shield of the Sun so now we're now we're at the part where he's he's going to explain begin explaining the concept of The Shield so let's go to I test page I test and we are towards the bottom of the page not really the bottom but the second half um which is V actually smack in the middle of page V the line begins V it must be about 12 lines down from the [Music] top just as this attribute of God that he's God that he's great and Al explained in Yer she God means god 's kindness his his benevolence just as this is God's praise alone you see he puts in the word L well is is a kind guy and all of you kind so why does it say because the of hem has no strings attached no conditions although there are plenty of verses in the tanak that imply God's kindness is when you keep Tor mitz let let's just begin with which is coming up in several portions if you will walk in my statutes that's and my you will keep I will give rain in its due time you ask any Jew what is that what are the those what does that verse mean it tell you it means if you go on the right path of of Torah and Mitzvah you keep Torah you keep the Mitzvah you'll be blessed you'll be blessed you'll get rain for your pro fields and have produce and have a livelihood the more Torah mitzah you keep the bigger your livelihood that idea so it seems to be a condition so explains this that it's not a condition it's a re reation of the truth you see we are used to conditions you do this you get this you don't do this you don't you don't get this and in the in in the realm of Law and Order it's correct right like Mark yesterday took me to fa bring and we went together to fa bringing and he was D it was night it was dark it was driving slow it was very dark and you don't know where you are that's a condition you don't want to have an accident you don't want to speed you don't want to run over someone in other words it's conditional and guess what conditions are made to be broken and that's why people do speed and that's why people do dry fast on and on and on so are we gonna say by Hashem it's Hashem is our God Hashem is our Hashem only if we keep mitz is that true no it's not true it's not true must we keep T mitz absolutely cuz that what that's what God wants not that Hashem says be a good boy and keep tah mitz or better say I shouldn't say not that in the realm of conditions in the realm of reward and Punishment we understand that verse inai as a condition but God is beyond reasoning God is beyond conditions the AL here by adding this word Gordon you want to you want to hear deeper when you learn this line in t you have to ask yourself why does the AL insert the word what would be of doubt that e wouldn't say the word L just as the the attribute of of of Hashem in in the vein in the in the orientation of benevolence is like none other is like is is unique dot dot dot but he inserts the word L and I'm explaining that the insertion of the word L is to to highlight just with one word that he when we talk about God's kindness for example don't tell me it's conditional so those for example that argue and or or or or question then position if you don't put on F every day or if you don't give to duck every day or if you don't do keep Shas if you don't do this you don't do that a bunch of don'ts right you're not going to make parosa you're going to you're going to burn it's totally not true because if a God wants to give you whatever else whatever he wants to give you he's going to give it to you and guess what the proof is in the pudding how many people we know that are not religious not observant don't care and they're blessed with many good things at the same time at the same time is ter mitz got for bit a a fake a facad a mirage you know absolutely not you know why cuz God wants that and decides that's what I want but not he wants it because if not you're going to you know it's like if I'm going to eat a ham sandwich I'm your Kipper I'm going to drop that in middle of Shool no you're not no you're not and if you do drop dead it's because Hashem wants you to drop dead at that time not because you ate the ham sandwich that you ate a ham sandwich on Kipper is outrageous if you know better no question about it but is that the reason you dropped it now this what I'm saying now on the Internet is very controversial there is now a very big debate between RAB Manis fredman who visited you guyses and some spartic rabbis and I understand that even some kabad rabbis are disagreeing with Manis which is fine I haven't studied it so I can't take a position but I could just what I share with you now is what I learned in what I heard from my teachers that Hashem is beyond conditions so if someone you know when you were on college campus and aab whatever you know meets you there and he says hey come put on come do a Mitzvah come to a shabas meal come light the shabas candles did he ever say or or you know you better do this because if you don't do this you're you're gonna burn and you don't do this you're in you're in God's bad book absolutely not I I can't imagine that that someone would say that because it's not true and if you had an education as learning T and the Reb's Torah it's so far from the Reba and just for a second I my friend sent me a clip this morning I saw it already but there was a gentleman in ER who was a Who Came From Russia forget his name now he was a photographer oh fren fren was his last name and and um he came it looks like from kabad from the way back he he was beardless he didn't have a beard but he had a very friendly relationship with the re like a onetoone smiling and talking you know which was interesting for whatever reasons I I don't know the background you know between him and the Reb and and families I I don't know any of that anyway so after taking pictures one and by the way a lot of gem stuff comes from his collection you know cuz Jim has B has has gotten or bought you know many collections of different photographers so one of it is fren's collection I mean I remember him every year by the Reb especially Tish that's when he came usually for the month of Tish so so uh Freight after the rebba finished talking to giving dollars whatever it was he goes over and and he says to the re but you know what you spoke about he says in yish I'll say it in English he said we spoke about tonight reminds me of the Yia you know the yeas the the Jewish group who were you know KGB and Communists and really put the previous Reba in in in life in in Jeopardy and many other Jews and many Jews were taken and killed and murdered because of the okay so he says to the rebba that what you spoke to tonight alluded to these bad guys they ever sexier whatever the Reb spoke about he didn't say and the Reb the Reb as he's putting away his dollars and packing up to walk out of the base Med says to him it's already a long time they've already done Chua quite a while quite a long time ago now you understand oh and he says to the rebba and he says to the rebba they you know you know who they are he says to the Reb the re went through the same stuff right and the previous Reb andich andab he says so I don't he's like he's he's not even elaborating he says to the Reb in a brief way you know who these guys are are so they're a bunch of wicked guys so what you spoke about tonight about whatever the issue is it reminds me of they have a seia bar do me a favor mute yourself so so um so the reab says they it's already they already did Chua way back they did Chua already and then the said the says all of your nation are now listen to this and the Reb's like in a sense looking you know packing and looking up at him and he's like standing there like shocked and then the Reb says after saying the Reb says to to him a we we would be complete sikim like they are I I wrote to my friend only alab could say that and he and the rebba wasn't saying it you know to make a joke you know make to say something cute and nice to to his name was Ley fren to Ley fren to make him one second one second Hil to make him feel good I'm telling you when the re and and although he said it with a twinkle in his eye kind of you got the whole wrong he's saying to fren fren you have it all wrong and and I want you to think about this you know you know y i remember five years ago would mentioned it always it's still in my head it's like yesterday I he's not on now but he he he he he mentioned this uh George Soros I don't know if you guys remember and he was you know how he's a self-hating Jew self-hating Jew self-hating Jew right and I told you the story of you know meeting uh uh the Israeli Mafia member in in in prison in Los Angeles and and you know going to Kaneka when I came back to to the sh the Young Israel of of Mel Melrose in Los Angeles and I uh and I mentioned shus I was invited to speak to give over words of Torah they wanted to eat me up the congregants they they they want they said out of your mind you shook hands with a murderer right the fact that he's a murderer he's a murderer and the fact that he he has he was judged and punished and whatever the result is will be what it is fact is he has the has sh and after 120 the sees that the goof My Body messed me up heavily guess what it's always the body that messes us up sometimes the body does it with the mind the cup the intellect like the isms of Communism and all the other isms including the isms that we C that some celebrated the other day Okay shus ideas which are warped because it's it's a holy land because ofes and that's why it's holy and that's why we got it and that's why we will continue to have it but we have to stick to what hasem says right so that's the intellectual deception then there's the emotional deception right it feels good to do it and then sometimes we make ourselves narish as we say in Yiddish foolish and we just do stupid things so all of that is the condition the realm of condition the realm of reason the essence is pure and everyone here knows and we know that this is true and we and we need to remind ourselves there's no such thing that I know this no we need to remind ourselves not just remind our kids and grandkids we need to remind ourselves why we're here how we're here and the answer is because God is condition because hasem would be conditional we would beer because we did some silly stuff right and maybe we still do some silly stuff maybe so why God are you even paying attention to me the answer is cu he loves us and he forgives us and there's something greater be be between the bond between a Jew and God yes Hill you wanted to say something I just want I just wanted to clarify the the nature of the story he when he was talking about the the members of theia it was talking they they had lived decades earlier they were no longer living in our world and they was talking at that level yes yes but but but but but but Hill I I you're correct in what you said and I I think I'm hearing your line of thinking I would say by the Reba it applied to people today also I I don't want to mention names but I I have proof to that okay people who really you know did things that were wrong according to Torah and the re had a the the rebba had a different view it doesn't mean to say that what they did wrong wasn't wrong but the love and the feelings towards the person or people was from God's perspective okay so so we have to discern we go back to the the basic idea AOS who will be eradicated from the from the earth when Mia Comes The Sins Not The Sinner it's a basic verse if you know forget about a basic verse The Sinner but they're sinners it says theu which means elimination destruction obliteration refers to the sins the Sinners they're not s what why why and and let me ask you and why will the Sinners not be eliminated cuz deep down they're not Sinners that's why not that there they're Sinners on the out outside they're sinners and if we change our attitude they'll feel it and they'll say I want to I want to grow I want to be better okay we got to go back to Tanya I just said this because of the word L which the AL inserts here so kind of clandestinely and and and uh you just skip over it and I believe that it it alludes to the idea that God is beyond condition so let's continue learning so just as it's true regarding the the attribute of God who God himself and only himself no other creature can create something from nothing and to enliven it take a kernel right put the kernel in the earth M and then comes out a beautiful tree right a beautiful produce did the kernel become a did it become nothing a did it become nothing absolutely not it rotted it it meshed with the the Earth but it was it's always there in some form you don't have any situation on Earth called yes another example husband and wife cohabitate they create a child is that yes is that something from nothing no it's close to yes but it ain't yes why isn't yes because there was always a drop of semen in some form that was always there it came from the male then there was the gestation period that the the the woman the wife took it and from that came an a child so it's not yes it's not something from nothing it's what we call yes something from something so that's why Dr says here this concept of yes it is impossible you see when you see the word Mark you see the word be ability one doesn't have no physical existence has the ability to create something from nothing let alone to make to do it forget about to do it do we have What's called the here two I point out to you the word what is the using the word you could say no creature has the ability to create why why does the add the word and the answer is as explained in at length there is the Practical and then there is the potential potential is called evil even in potentia it doesn't exist is deep thought here deep deep thinking in other words when we talk about God being the Creator and creating something yes something from nothing and that only he can do it we it it's not only that in practicality is that correct but in concept it's also correct meaning the idea of someone creating something from nothing doesn't exist in the human realm it's impossible Ain and this would be a good a good lesson for science well science deals with the existing and from it extrapolates based on the existing to Creation begins with a non-existence and from non-existence we come to existence the difference between beginning with existence IE yesh and making from one yesh another yesh versus non-existence to a yesh yes is further than the distance from the East to the west and the South to the to the north it's not in the same realm or better said it's not in the same category so the AL says this concept of yes that only God is able to does that no creature has even the potentiality needless to say the actuality of creating [Music] yes and then to enlivening and sustaining the yes that's created says this concept this Mida is also above the p ception of All Creatures their comprehension there isn't the the the power the K within any creature's intelligence to to understand and comprehend this attribute and God's ability to create it in other words human intelligence cannot fathom God's creation as much as we try and as much as we understand we all begin with yesh that that's the that's the underlying explanation here okay so science says the world is this and this amount years science says the world's going to burn up science says this it's all based on beginning with a yeses I take I take something that exists a fossil I take a ring a rings of a tree I take this I take that and I measure it that's all yesh it's the way God put himself into yesh but it's yesh so if you if you begin the analysis with yesh existence you get a yesh a yesh result and a yes result leads to yeses ego I know if you begin with i the yesh that you res that you come to is a very different yeses it's a yesh that's imbued with iron I want to explain this because this is a deep thought in that I I recall learning when I was in Yesa why is it important to begin with a before yes what right we're saying why can't we look and understand God Hashem as awesome and great from the perspective of yes mesh and the answer is that if you don't begin with the i in attitude and if God didn't create the world yes then the world is predicated on existence and existence and existence existence cannot fathom and experience non-existence impossible so if we talk about humility and the ability to to rise above yeses it requires that our beginning started with humility I an example for this concept it's very important and it's logical it could be understood a person who was raised in a modest home in a modest environment versus a person who was raised in affluence take a look at the two people I'm making a generalization there's always an exception take a look at the two people and one is more humble and one is more arrogant why because if you if you begin with I have I am that's the the result is I have and I am and who are you to tell me and I know better if you begin with humble beginnings I don't have I am not the result is that you're more humble later and you go a lot further I don't know if you recall but the previous re in the in the educational education guidance essay that we learned together spoke about the difference between a student that comes from a modest home versus a student that comes from a more affluent home remember that so this idea triggers to me the difference between yes yes and yes so a is analogous to the modesty yesh is analogous to the arrogance now I you'll say well I know he or she who comes from an AF home and they're so you know they're modest that's because they've worked on themselves or because Hashem gave them a special you know throughout Tanya the AL inserts from time to time this these few words in this one line like their soul comes you know they were gifted with a different soul that's an exception it's an exception where you can have a child from arrogant parents who are you know because of their their affluence and everything else and the child is most humble it does exist but either it's an AA thing a soul thing or they've worked good and hard either in therapy with hillo or on themselves by learning TI and meditating and and and thinking and realizing it's all nonsense and I know people like that I know people in Yeshiva who came from these type of you know arrogant homes and they was and they refined themselves they they kind of undressed their and they rebelled against their parents in the sense that they re they said this attitude stinks now in the 60s Hill can tell us better I was a child he was older but I think there was part of that rebellion was hey parents you know we're sick and tired of this you know um you know arrogance the affluence and you know and and and being boxed in and and there was the counterculture re Revolution and by the way as I told you what the the rebba baby the baby boomers yeah and the rebba and the rebba picked up on it again here we see his vision everyone looked at a hippie then get out of here I told you when rabie raichik uh when Rabbi Cunin came to California in 1965 he start he lived in in Fairfax aan knows very well where that is and and that's where the Jews move from the I think the west side east side the uh in in in Los Angeles boil Heights they moved away from boil Heights first the Jewish Community was in Boy Light they moved up to Fairfax and they started was basically Hungarian refugees Holocaust Survivors and and they started a Sho and cudan comes and and that they started that in the 50s Cuna comes along in 65 he opens the first kabad house at UCLA on campus anywhere but he opens it in his garage not at UCLA 741 gayy at UCLA the kabad house didn't exist in 65 66 67 now but he would go down to campus and put out a table Yeah Rabbi cudan the the big Rabbi cudan who who who who who you know built kabad into a massive uh Empire in in in in California humble beginnings and and uh he had a table but what do you do shabas so he invites the kids to him shabas well he's a traditional guy shab you go to Sho he got to go to Sho well he has these guys hanging out with him come to Sho they come at to Sho and these H hung and these hunk sorry for saying the hunks hungarians look look at him and they want to eat him up are you out of your mind cin he he has a the kot and the Black Beard ba you know and and he with his hat and and he he's he's hey you're not a hung Aran you're an American Boy A Bronx boy C comes to the Bronx but you know we can we can put tolerate you but these guys with their cucko and their torn pants and everything else right hair you know like what are you doing what are you bringing into and it was a big issue to the point point where they went to RAB raichik who they looked at as like a rebba raichik was a Survivor from Poland who was at that time cen's you know boss in a sense and he he came there in 1949 as the previous rebas Rea came to La so they were really really tight and they could relate you know they're hungry he's Poland both survivors there was a relationship there they say to him you better get this guy out cuz if you don't get him out we are going to force him out so raichi says to cunan I think it's time to move to Westwood you know um Rabbi Gordon got to California 1972 I think Mark asked me that question I just gave him the answer anyway this is before Gordon's time so why am I saying this because D speaks about here the idea of yes so I'm bringing I'm I'm concretizing the concept of yes for our reality because we you know we always want to we need to understand from the deepest Concepts philosophical Concepts that we're learning here about God's Unity what does it mean practically the difference between yes the difference is the humility let me just read another line or two and then we'll finish and he says this is God's H's greatness his his attribute of and hasem and his mid are complete United completely United as it says in in Z quote the this is Aramaic the E forem and his vessels H are one it says two things there we always quote this and we say it Friday night in he and his his lights are one and he is and his and his vessels are one oh H what does that mean you say every Friday night guys did you have stop to say what does that mean you got to ask yeah you could take five minutes and just stop and say every line right and maybe one day we should learn together it would be a I think uh it would be an eye opener and and and and finally we would know a little more of what we're reading every Friday but anyway hasem with his energy is one I could get I can I can relate to it's energy but limitation M Myers limitation vessels being boxed in restrictions happy is say that God and His restrictions are one God and His positivity and his energy and his influence is one I understand but that's but that's what the zor says why because when you talk about's G when you talk about hashem's greatness to you God is greatness greatness incorporates positive and so-called negative in fluence and restrictions and energy and vessels and if if you and if we cannot if we don't understand and we don't relate and we say God is only a god of but not a god of we have no God we have our imaginary God and that's equivalent T amount to zero Hashem is made up of and energy and rest vessels just like in life if you want to just do what you want and not listen to to law and not listen to to the the law of the land and all that you got aan and if I may say humbly say we have some of that that when we have those protests in in in in the Kik shabas and I told you I almost was hit with a with a battalion um by by one of those police on the horses why I'm walking there I just got off a plane I'm doing nothing but there's a riot in the streets the burning things the hacking the CH you know Law and Order now I understand there's time for protests there's times you know the same thing now with the college campuses you want to protest we're in you America you could protest but do it in a civil way I disagree with you on the protest you totally you know have it wrong your professors poisoned you totally poisoned you with their nonsense okay but you're allowed to protest but not with hands in in kabad we always said to those in the 7s that disagreed with us they Ed their hands on hent the Yiddish words is UN hent un means without without hands mouth a Jew uses their mouth the hands the hands of ASV self- protection what's going on now of course an enemy that wants to swallow us and eat us self- protection and we'll we'll bomb the hell out of you you monsters you know that that's not your day as of that's the that's that's y Yakov what do you think we are um cheap laborers what do you think we are T nit bits you know jerks uh we where're we ye we're people so says here is also part of hashem's plan and this will be in tomorrow she um explained more length yes mha Myers go ahead please just in relation to what you said Rabbi about and the idea of someone not being able to believe that they think they can take from nothing it's a lack of humility right absolutely say absolutely I guess I I'm just going to share and you can comment if you want like I remember in fundraising I was dealing with a gentleman who was a billionaire multi-billionaire in the science uh medical field field and we had discussion because I was working with a at the time and R used to used always say C of his fundraising fundly secure so I wouldn't just try to get the money from the man I try to talk to I sent the books you know Genesis the big Bank whatever anyways he said to me all narish he says we're getting very close to creating life from a nothing from a biosphere to creating life for nothing and I talked to people in expert they thought it was ridiculous so but he really believed this that he could I you know he just wouldn't be open that's what we learned someone doesn't have humility can't really okay so Moshe what's the solution to to get to such a person you got to love them you got toless right give them one hug wow he disagrees with me but he loves me he hugs me you you break all you break everything trust me just one hug that's all takes and the second time another hug and the third time another hug and then he's yours and on once he's yours and he starts learning some T and he start you know you know and if he's intellectual you know he needs to you need to you either yourself or the right person to study with him the reconciliation of Science and Torah and all that and even if at the end he steadfast in his beliefs but he knows that you love him and and that's it and and that's it listen we are different and we understand different yes and it takes it takes humility and listen there were people I saw a rabbi Emmanuel shakat the late ranuel shakat I I saw him in action with college students in in in the late 70 in the 70s at the pagas you know and it was fire it was fire I mean you know they then college students I don't have to tell you guys some of you were students them uh they were argumentative they they they did not uh accept whatever you told them and and shakat intellectually battled with them you know battled you know yeah they had a a dialogue and and again I'm I going to say everyone walked out of that Pisha becoming a believer in God no I'm not going to tell you that because not true but but then the midnight faing started at 12 at night M shabas after a whole chabas of these kind of discussions and arguments and everything else Dr BL the professor of philosophy in Ontario Canada fa brained 12: at night finished 6:00 7 in the morning he could take a good cup of vodka and for brain with the boys and in the morning the bus was waiting out Outdoors to take them to Yeshiva and Mar's town did everyone go no but some went so what did it take he wasn't preaching Plato and Aristotle not at all he was for bringing as a for brings about Hashem and T and and yeden and whatever that got to them more than sh's intellectual arguments why because the end of the day the yish the soul feels a kinship with another Jew so it's a matter of you know getting there you know I again I'm not saying the shabas of discussion and arguments and all that is not important it's also important but like what you said mha you know you got you have to you have to get him you know with with that hug with that dance with that you know the warmth that's it that's it and and and by most I would say by Everyone by by the most arrogant person because there's nothing to argue it's not how can you argue with a hug could you argue with a hug can you can you argue what I mean could could you argue with a kiss what he used to say me I'm a devout atheist he used to say I'm a Dev atheist right so you tell right you say you're a devout atheist from from your way of thinking and I believe you're a devout believer yeah I wanted to say you're Dev what you doing you're Dev yes so what are you do you know I hear you okay we'll learn tomorrow again good discussion zun take care everybody bye bye